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I felt good after I read this so I figured I would share.

haha, it makes me feel good too for some reason.

Nice!!!! Go Mazda!!!! Makes Me Love My 8 Even More.

makes me want their motor

I cut that same ad out and have it hanging in my garage! :)

Where did you see this ad?

3 rotor powered Tube Frame Chassis "RX8" wins over production based Porsches.

It's a great accomplishment nevertheless, yet it's not apples vs. apples.

The Porsche factory might produce these cars but they are far from production based street cars and are built specifically for these type of races. The comparison is valid.

With that being said the RX-8 that won shares almost nothing other than the way it looks to our production RX-8 but its still a Mazda rotary win and thats what people are excited about.

3 rotor powered Tube Frame Chassis "RX8" wins over production based Porsches.

It's a great accomplishment nevertheless, yet it's not apples vs. apples.

way to go mazda!!

The Porsche factory might produce these cars but they are far from production based street cars and are built specifically for these type of races. The comparison is valid.

With that being said the RX-8 that won shares almost nothing other than the way it looks to our production RX-8 but its still a Mazda rotary win and thats what people are excited about.

Prep 1 and Prep 2 under last year's Grand Am rules used to clarify the differences clearly. The Prep distinction is not referred to anymore.

Surely, the Porsche GT3 Cup isn't your run of the mill 997, but it is based directly on a 997 (and not fabricated from tubes to meet an "RX8" or "911" template).

Hey, I'm all for the Mazda win, yet, I like for the facts to be stated before everyone goes bonkers that Mazda>Porsche.

Where did you see this ad?

Latest Road & Track. "Evil Twins" is the title on the cover.

The Porsche factory might produce these cars but they are far from production based street cars and are built specifically for these type of races. The comparison is valid.

With that being said the RX-8 that won shares almost nothing other than the way it looks to our production RX-8 but its still a Mazda rotary win and thats what people are excited about.


Actually the Porsche 911 GT3 Cup is a factory car, some teams don't change a thing from factory to the track...
:squint:

Latest Road & Track. "Evil Twins" is the title on the cover.

It's also in this months Automobile and Motor Trend...

great find O woot woot

Porche, go right outside and find it. hahaha you spelled porsche wrong...

I feel really good now! thank you for sharing

http://www.mazdamotorsports.com/pages/news/speed_tv_videos.html

http://www.mazdamotorsports.com/pages/news/speed_tv_videos.html

LOL.... I loaded up that video on my not-so-fast connection here at work only to hear Nick Ham say "I'd like to take a few minutes to show you my cock... (buffering). Of course he was saying cockpit, but the timing was just perfect.

Yeay Mazda!!!

I wish they had that car in Forza.

Never said they did.

Actually the Porsche 911 GT3 Cup is a factory car, some teams don't change a thing from factory to the track...
:squint:

All I said is its not a street car and is a purpose built race car. Makes no difference who builds it.

Heres pictures of a factory GT3 Cup car http://www.seriouswheels.com/cars/top-2006-Porsche-911-997-GT3-Cup.htm which is far from your average Porsche you see on the road. They might come from the same factory but they are far from being the same car. Thats all im saying.

Never said they did.



All I said is its not a street car and is a purpose built race car. Makes no difference who builds it.

Heres pictures of a factory GT3 Cup car http://www.seriouswheels.com/cars/top-2006-Porsche-911-997-GT3-Cup.htm which is far from your average Porsche you see on the road. They might come from the same factory but they are far from being the same car. Thats all im saying.

What do you mean, don't all street cars from Porsche come with roll bars and stripped out interiors for 180K? :squint:

Basically they are on the same playing field. You can't tell me that no modifications were done to the Porsches. SO basically they took one from a dealer and said lets go drive the car for 24 Hours straight. I think not.

ROTARY POWER!

What do you mean, don't all street cars from Porsche come with roll bars and stripped out interiors for 180K? :squint:

Basically they are on the same playing field. You can't tell me that no modifications were done to the Porsches. SO basically they took one from a dealer and said lets go drive the car for 24 Hours straight. I think not.

ROTARY POWER!

Porsche offers several variants of the 911 that are race ready right from the factory, all you have to do is slap on your sponsor decals and you're ready to go. No, you won't find these at your local Porsche dealership, but you can buy them from Porsche. Why do you think most of the field in most sports car series are 911's? It's an easy, effective way to go racing.

Even though the RX-8 isn't based on the factory car, it's still a great achievement simply because:

A) It's custom built, not an out-of-the-box racer than anyone can go buy.

B) It's got a freakin rotary in it!!

3 rotor powered Tube Frame Chassis "RX8" wins over production based Porsches.

It's a great accomplishment nevertheless, yet it's not apples vs. apples.


also keep in mind that porsches to mazdas are not apples vs. apples. with all the differences to the rx-8, it's probably CLOSER to being apples to apples than it would be if the 8 were stock!!

yeah Mazda win, Porsche lose.

Both sides played by the rules, and Mazda won.

HAH! Eat that Porsche..... 8)

Hells yah baby! Too bad my next car is going to be a Porsche :)

geez... had to go through some hoops just to find mention of the win on www.MazdaUSA.com "see more" my ass

yeah Mazda win, Porsche lose.

Both sides played by the rules, and Mazda won.

HAH! Eat that Porsche..... 8)
Exactly. The rules are stated and the race teams do whatever they can to make their car faster than the others within the rules. Those Porsches ARE NOT JUST SOMETHING FROM THE FACTORY!!! Porsche isn't stupid. They've been racing for years. So some team building an 8 under the rules of Rolex 24 hrs, is a legit win.

IMO, the rules are set up to favor the Grand Am (read, NASCAR) formula of putting templates over tube frame chassis. Reference GXP.R and tell me what the hell that thing is? I would imagine you'll see less Ferrari (only a couple ran this year) and Corvette (only one this year) running in these races as the rules favor tube frame cars. See what the field looked like a few years ago in the GT class as a comparison.
The 2 rotor production based RX8 runs in the ST class in Grand Am's Koni Challenge series.

That said, congrats to Speedsource (which fields cars in both GT and ST class) for the great 24hr win! They are leading the path in pushing Mazda's latest racing effort to the forefront. Last year, the GT class RX8 was already showing what it could do. This year, it seems like things are aligning into place (cross our fingers).

Mazda needs to take the 24 Hrs Le Mans ... again!!!

Mazda needs to take the 24 Hrs Le Mans ... again!!!

That would be cool. They can use this to base the car on:

http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=116487&stc=1&d=1204760219

http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=116488&stc=1&d=1204760219

Yea i would also like to see mazda stretch its legs in some of the higher/faster classes...

If I am not mistaken, I believe that is their Le Mans based car, the FURAI.

That is the Furai, but I think the 24 Hours of Le Mans banned rotary-powered engines after the Mazda won it.... sounds like sore losers to me:lol:

^really?

The only REAL reason why their 8 won was because they were using synthetic motor oil. :lol2:

The only REAL reason why their 8 won was because they were using synthetic motor oil. :lol2:


They should just stick with cheating turbos.

That is the Furai, but I think the 24 Hours of Le Mans banned rotary-powered engines after the Mazda won it.... sounds like sore losers to me:lol:

Rotaries were never banned from LeMans. The rule change only affected engine displacement. This meant that the 4 rotors were no longer allowed due to purely size reasons. It had nothing to do with the fact that it was a rotary. They could have still run a rotary but back then it would have had to have been a 2 rotor. This was before restrictor plates so they tried to limit power with size instead. Many other engines were no longer allowed due to this rule change but it did favor piston engines.

as we sit in the dark we wonder what takes it so long?

Rotaries were never banned from LeMans. The rule change only affected engine displacement. This meant that the 4 rotors were no longer allowed due to purely size reasons. It had nothing to do with the fact that it was a rotary. They could have still run a rotary but back then it would have had to have been a 2 rotor. This was before restrictor plates so they tried to limit power with size instead. Many other engines were no longer allowed due to this rule change but it did favor piston engines.

I see, I didn't know the specifics. So do you know if the Furai design meets the current requirements to race in the 24 hours of Le Mans? That would be sweet....Mazdas winning both 24 hour races!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wankel_engine#Automobile_racing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wankel_engine#Automobile_racing

That link states the rule change made the 787B inelligible to race but that's not quite accurate. It was the rule change on engine displacement. Mazda did race the car again. They swapped a turbo 4 cylinder into it and ran it for at least 1 but possibly 2 seasons unsuccessfully.

I see, I didn't know the specifics. So do you know if the Furai design meets the current requirements to race in the 24 hours of Le Mans? That would be sweet....Mazdas winning both 24 hour races!

actually it meets the new closed cockpit rule for 2008 American Lemans series races

That is the Furai, but I think the 24 Hours of Le Mans banned rotary-powered engines after the Mazda won it.... sounds like sore losers to me:lol:

There was a lot more to it than just that.

That link states the rule change made the 787B inelligible to race but that's not quite accurate. It was the rule change on engine displacement. Mazda did race the car again. They swapped a turbo 4 cylinder into it and ran it for at least 1 but possibly 2 seasons unsuccessfully.

*cough*kabura*cough*

yea saw that one too, its on the back of my motor trend