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xun4gvn4everx
01-04-2010, 11:27 AM
wut up Mike?!

mike[piston eater]
01-04-2010, 11:27 AM
estoy feliz :D

xun4gvn4everx
01-04-2010, 11:27 AM
yeah rory apparently its going to be coldest weather of the decade its going to hit as low as -20 degrees!

where at?

xl2oGel2x
01-04-2010, 11:31 AM
porque estas feliz?

mike[piston eater]
01-04-2010, 11:34 AM
cause ive been flirting with the girl i still love and i know imma get her back

sephyobsessed
01-04-2010, 11:37 AM
hi sephy! :wavey: I'm good just sore from this weekend surf and 28 degrees?!? its like 58 right now lol but yeah i watched the weather channel you guys are screwed along with all the other eastern states

Yeeeeeah....I do envy Southern California...and would you believe, Virginia is supposed to be much warmer than PA? Seems EXACTLY the same to me, now. Oh well...I'll survive. Irish people are built to deal with cold weather. well cold ish...

AWWWW Mike! So exciting! is she cute?! I wanna see pics! :naughty:

xl2oGel2x
01-04-2010, 11:38 AM
...how is it that i finally wake up early...and still i missed a couple pages of post.

anyways ive decided...im getting my exhaust today...going to pick it up a bit later if they have it in stock which they most likely will

sephyobsessed
01-04-2010, 11:40 AM
because we're talkative and chatty, and postwhores....

xl2oGel2x
01-04-2010, 11:43 AM
because we're talkative and chatty, and postwhores....

its ok if your posting your on the east coast but some of these so cal ppl wake up wayyyyy to early

Red_Fox
01-04-2010, 11:44 AM
http://www.weather.com/maps/maptype/currentweatherusnational/uscurrenttemperatures_large.html

starts in Minnesota down to Missouri
where at?

mike[piston eater]
01-04-2010, 11:44 AM
sephy we went out for 2 year then broke up last jan and it seems our worlds are back together

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j286/v-dubbinit/l_3fe984402eff822dec475eebe12e5faf.jpg

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j286/v-dubbinit/m_bcebf3a1e8ef97434d9044261e03b3ef.jpg

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j286/v-dubbinit/m_117a03fb955a45d0a9310835996410f4.jpg

Red_Fox
01-04-2010, 11:46 AM
pfff i know what you mean remember john use to never sleep and be postwhore by himself i go to bed and come back the next morning and i missed like 16 pages!!!!:mdrmed:

its ok if your posting your on the east coast but some of these so cal ppl wake up wayyyyy to early

xun4gvn4everx
01-04-2010, 11:48 AM
she's hott mike (for jailbait :suspect: )

xl2oGel2x
01-04-2010, 11:48 AM
ya i remember I used to stay up with John posting nonsense....shit the only reason im awake right now is cause I pulled an all nighter...only way I was goin to be sure I was up for class at 8am. What sucked is it turned out to be cancelled since the prof was unavailable afterall.

Gl with that Mike...dont screw it up by chasing other women

mike[piston eater]
01-04-2010, 11:49 AM
haha rory howd you know she was jailbait

J03K1LLARX8
01-04-2010, 11:49 AM
Roger, lend me you greddy? :fingersx:

xl2oGel2x
01-04-2010, 11:50 AM
Roger, lend me you greddy? :fingersx:

what Greddy...I have the stock one right now lol I sold the SP2 a couple weeks ago.

J03K1LLARX8
01-04-2010, 11:50 AM
I guess nobody liked my video. :(

xl2oGel2x
01-04-2010, 11:51 AM
awww we did Jo3...dont be sad

Jedi54
01-04-2010, 11:52 AM
video was awesome; BHR midpipe FTW

J03K1LLARX8
01-04-2010, 11:52 AM
Oh that's right I forgot... :suspect:

xl2oGel2x
01-04-2010, 11:53 AM
on another note...this seems like a WIN!

http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/epic-fail-family-portraits-fail.jpg

k back to whatever we were talkin about

The Reverend
01-04-2010, 11:54 AM
I like the one second from the right

sephyobsessed
01-04-2010, 11:54 AM
Awww she's so cute....she has a tude, I can tell that from her pics, but in a good way. It's confidence! Me gusta.

I LOVED your vid J03Y!! sorry sidetracked! Nothing like throwing, what?, 3+ ft. flames from your exhaust. definitely screams macho ^_^ Hell if I had my 8 I would LOVE to do that. but I'm a different kind of woman than most. I like making a scene....

mike[piston eater]
01-04-2010, 11:55 AM
roger i wont screw up :D i know better

mike[piston eater]
01-04-2010, 11:56 AM
:naughty::naughty::yumyum::aroused::aroused:your going to jail matt hahaI like the one second from the right

Red_Fox
01-04-2010, 11:57 AM
:lol:

I like the one second from the right

sephyobsessed
01-04-2010, 11:57 AM
Haha not only perverts, but pedophilia perverts....life is good in socal :p:

mike[piston eater]
01-04-2010, 11:58 AM
im no pedophile;)

Red_Fox
01-04-2010, 12:03 PM
lies all lies!!!! lol

;3374494']im no pedophile;)

mike[piston eater]
01-04-2010, 12:07 PM
its all good if she wants it too

Red_Fox
01-04-2010, 12:08 PM
actually no...no it isnt mike lol

sephyobsessed
01-04-2010, 12:09 PM
Gonna have to agree with chase here. what's the age difference between you and her?

mike[piston eater]
01-04-2010, 12:09 PM
lol shes less than 3 years younger than me and we were dating since highschool so i fit in that exempt clause

mike[piston eater]
01-04-2010, 12:10 PM
shes 17 im 19 we were dating since we were both in high school she was a sophmore i was a senior

Red_Fox
01-04-2010, 12:16 PM
yeah pedofiling starts at 18 dude(not to be a buzz kill or anything which i totally know i am) shes underage and i had a friend who almost got arrested for messing with a minor and trust me totally destroyed the friendship with her dad (just giving you a friendly warning what could happen if your caught dude)

sephyobsessed
01-04-2010, 12:17 PM
Holy crap! Mike's only 19!? I feel old!!!! :tear:

I see no problem in the whole 19/17 thing, though....she IS underage, so rory's got ya there, as if we couldn't tell by her pics lol

mike[piston eater]
01-04-2010, 12:20 PM
lolwell im careful, and my friend is been cool with me dating his sister so i wont trip, and its only illegal if i corrupt her:yesnod: i can always wait a few months til she will 18:cool::cool::cool:

sephyobsessed
01-04-2010, 12:21 PM
Yeah good luck with that, I hope it goes better for you than it did with the 17 year old I dated back in the day...he didn't wanna wait...I did, do the math...>.<

Red_Fox
01-04-2010, 12:24 PM
lol sweet action thats the way to go mike if their cool with it thats fine sweet just good luck to you bro :)

xl2oGel2x
01-04-2010, 12:24 PM
I think the youngest girl I had when i just turned 18 was 16 1/2 or something she was like 2yrs 2months younger than me

sephyobsessed
01-04-2010, 12:27 PM
yeah that 17 year old I dated? I was....*coughtwentycough* and technically...he turned 17 within the 3 weeks we dated...so to be accurate...I started dating him when he was 16... 4 year difference...

thus my new rule! I will only date older guys, though :suspect: I have no interest in dating any other guys now....I'm glad with the one I got! :p:

The Reverend
01-04-2010, 12:27 PM
are bj's still in play?

mike[piston eater]
01-04-2010, 12:27 PM
her whole family oves me my best friend is her bro, her mom thinks im very respectful and hard worker, dad still trying too hook me up with a job, and her lil bro powns me a mw2 daily :[

mike[piston eater]
01-04-2010, 12:29 PM
are bj's still in play?

yes rev they are in play

The Reverend
01-04-2010, 12:30 PM
well fuck it then they are less work for you anyway

<.<
>.>

mike[piston eater]
01-04-2010, 12:30 PM
if it was me everything is in play , im not the pushy type and it worksd wonders

Gr8Bullet
01-04-2010, 12:35 PM
Hey everybody. Morning. :)

mike[piston eater]
01-04-2010, 12:37 PM
well im off think im gonna go to the audio district in downtown la, my friend wants to put a system in his new 2010 tacoma, and im the man that advises him

sephyobsessed
01-04-2010, 12:38 PM
morning Gr8, how was your new years?

Gr8Bullet
01-04-2010, 12:47 PM
Hey sephy! Glad you asked it was great! Nice and relaxing out of the city for 4 days. Caught up with the gf parents. Relaxed with the gf and took her out to dinner. It was nice.

sephyobsessed
01-04-2010, 12:57 PM
awwww I'm glad!!! do you feel rested and rejuvenated?

J03K1LLARX8
01-04-2010, 12:59 PM
Roger, you ready for another hot streak at the clawrcade Wednesday?

Gr8Bullet
01-04-2010, 01:00 PM
Haha I guess. I'm still tired I didn't sleep much last night.

How was your new years?

J03K1LLARX8
01-04-2010, 01:01 PM
Matt, can I flug your dolphin? :naughty:

The Reverend
01-04-2010, 01:02 PM
Matt, can I flug your dolphin? :naughty:
http://ghostisland.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/lolwut.jpg

sephyobsessed
01-04-2010, 01:02 PM
hahaha Joey, Rory and I went to best buy on saturday (to get him a bluetooth for the ps3) and we ended up playing Dj Hero...it was def interesting, that's gonna take a while for me to get better at...

mind you we go into best buy for a $30 thing, and end up buying a $600 television...impulse buyers i swear...lol

J03K1LLARX8
01-04-2010, 01:03 PM
Gr8 stop crying and knock out. :D: ;)

sephyobsessed
01-04-2010, 01:05 PM
Haha I guess. I'm still tired I didn't sleep much last night.

How was your new years?

Pretty good...didn't really drink much, but I got to spend it with Rory...ended up extremely frustrated...:suspect: but overall it was good! :cool:

J03K1LLARX8
01-04-2010, 01:07 PM
Sephy I told you it was fun. ;) I went to best buy last night and entered the hyper cheat and played on medium and everyone thought I was playing expert. :rofl:

sephyobsessed
01-04-2010, 01:09 PM
haha betcha all of the ladies were impressed with that! I'd be flabberghasted, I sucked at medium....lol

As fun as it is, I wanna sing...-_- does anyone have a microphone and rock band/guitar hero so I can sing?!?!

J03K1LLARX8
01-04-2010, 01:11 PM
Matt, I liked your exhaust so much I think I will be joining the club. It bows away the RB exhaust I wanted to get. The dolphin exhaust made me cream my panties. :uhh:..... I mean...... :suspect:

J03K1LLARX8
01-04-2010, 01:13 PM
Dozer has rock band ;)

Red_Fox
01-04-2010, 01:13 PM
i do but its for a ps2 lol

haha betcha all of the ladies were impressed with that! I'd be flabberghasted, I sucked at medium....lol

As fun as it is, I wanna sing...-_- does anyone have a microphone and rock band/guitar hero so I can sing?!?!

Red_Fox
01-04-2010, 01:15 PM
dj hero whats that?

hahaha Joey, Rory and I went to best buy on saturday (to get him a bluetooth for the ps3) and we ended up playing Dj Hero...it was def interesting, that's gonna take a while for me to get better at...

Spinning Sushi
01-04-2010, 01:18 PM
Guitar Hero with a turn table.

J03K1LLARX8
01-04-2010, 01:19 PM
(random thought) I want to be a squirrel in my next life or a cat. Squirrel, cuz they look like their says having fun climbing and running around. Cat, cuz they have a chill relaxing life and sleep and play all day long.

sephyobsessed
01-04-2010, 01:19 PM
Holy BOB!! We're gonna rock out so hard when I come over there...hehehe

I'm mandating everyone come out for a party...I don't know when or where, but it must happen!! :yesnod: one of the days Rory and I visit...

:wavey: Hi John!

Spinning Sushi
01-04-2010, 01:20 PM
O hai.

Spinning Sushi
01-04-2010, 01:24 PM
MmMMmm... I just finished my breakfast. :)

I made the traditional American breakfast - eggs, hash browns, bacon, and pancakes.

J03K1LLARX8
01-04-2010, 01:24 PM
Lol what's up john? nice of you to join the land of the living

sephyobsessed
01-04-2010, 01:24 PM
HOLY CRAPIT JOHN!!!! You're birthday is in 5 days!!!!it's so close, are you excited?!

Spinning Sushi
01-04-2010, 01:25 PM
I didn't really want to step foot into the realm of internetness and forumdom but I said, screw it. :)

Spinning Sushi
01-04-2010, 01:27 PM
So... Joey, I heard that the Gods hit you with a banhammer?

sephyobsessed
01-04-2010, 01:27 PM
it's an addiction that's worth having, last i checked, people don't die from socializing on the forums...so we're all good ^_^

Red_Fox
01-04-2010, 01:27 PM
off to starsmucks catch you guys on da flip side

Spinning Sushi
01-04-2010, 01:28 PM
it's an addiction that's worth having, last i checked, people don't die from socializing on the forums...so we're all good ^_^

That's where you're wrong...

*Puts on Google searching gloves*

I shall show you PROOF!

sephyobsessed
01-04-2010, 01:28 PM
see ya chase! get a tazo chai in honor of me! lol jk jk

Spinning Sushi
01-04-2010, 01:29 PM
http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3016000

Gr8Bullet
01-04-2010, 01:29 PM
Haha I wish i could knock out. I'm off in 2 1/2 hour anyways.

Rockband kick ass! Played lastnight with my friends. I can play gitar on medium and bass on hard.

Spinning Sushi
01-04-2010, 01:31 PM
it's an addiction that's worth having, last i checked, people don't die from socializing on the forums...so we're all good ^_^
http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=150013&stc=1&d=1262633429

Spinning Sushi
01-04-2010, 01:33 PM
So... sephy... interwebz kills!

Spinning Sushi
01-04-2010, 01:35 PM
I think I killed the SoCal Lounge after posting that...

sephyobsessed
01-04-2010, 01:38 PM
HOLY CRAP!!! This is why 4chan is evil! People flame too much!! So forums kill...:scared: but i trust you won't be that foolish to think suicide is the answer John ^_^

and Joey, it's okay, the most wise of people, are those that others refuse to believe! But I believe in you!

Spinning Sushi
01-04-2010, 01:39 PM
:rofl: @ suicide comment.

4chan IS evil! I love it. :)

sephyobsessed
01-04-2010, 01:42 PM
I just had to make sure! you never know! :suspect: even the strongest of people have their weak moments

Spinning Sushi
01-04-2010, 01:42 PM
http://images.4chan.org/b/src/1262634014506.jpg

sephyobsessed
01-04-2010, 01:55 PM
hahaha work filter won't let that show through....thanks sonicwall...*sigh*

Spinning Sushi
01-04-2010, 01:59 PM
Oh raspberries... o well.

nikkdizzle
01-04-2010, 02:03 PM
morning ya'll!

RIWWP
01-04-2010, 02:03 PM
deleted-zoom44

sephyobsessed
01-04-2010, 02:03 PM
should I be frightened of what that is? o.O

Spinning Sushi
01-04-2010, 02:03 PM
Run for the hills! The Banhammer is here!

http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=150015&stc=1&d=1262635403

xun4gvn4everx
01-04-2010, 02:04 PM
After reading the past few pages to catch up, I just wanted to put in my two cents on the whole 17year olds and dating 19 year olds. At least in MD, there is a law known as the "4 Year Law". This means, if you are over the age of 18, you can date and have relations with another person who is within four years younger than you. So technically, Mike - 19 and Girl - 17, is perfectly legal, at least in MD. :yesnod:

sephyobsessed
01-04-2010, 02:05 PM
AHHH!! *runs in circles while flailing* it's gonna eat meeeeee!!!

J03K1LLARX8
01-04-2010, 02:05 PM
So bored..... I can't take another minute of this. This year is the year I become rich. 2010 is going to be my year. :yesnod: if I dont get rich this year it will never happen.

Spinning Sushi
01-04-2010, 02:06 PM
Hmmm... that means I can't date my 4 yr old car anymore... :(

nikkdizzle
01-04-2010, 02:06 PM
damn. a law like that makes sense...just a bit
because although legally wrong a 19 and a 17 year old shouldn't be all that bad. :dunno:

xun4gvn4everx
01-04-2010, 02:06 PM
Nope, sure can't John

Jedi54
01-04-2010, 02:07 PM
Hey Al, how goes it? :wavey:

xun4gvn4everx
01-04-2010, 02:08 PM
damn. a law like that makes sense...just a bit
because although legally wrong a 19 and a 17 year old shouldn't be all that bad. :dunno:

Think about it, if you are in high school and turn 18 while you are dating someone who is 16, it wouldn't be right for the law to tell you you can no longer date that person.

J03K1LLARX8
01-04-2010, 02:08 PM
John, their going to ban me again. (Runs away)

The Reverend
01-04-2010, 02:09 PM
oh man oh man oh man oh man

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Spinning Sushi
01-04-2010, 02:09 PM
O.o

There are now two banhammers present... behave guys. I have a feeling that this thread will be shut down soon too, I guess it's time to start a SoCal Lounge 2.

Spinning Sushi
01-04-2010, 02:09 PM
Actually, lemme PM the Mods about that. :)

xun4gvn4everx
01-04-2010, 02:09 PM
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we have a lot of visitors! :wavey:

nikkdizzle
01-04-2010, 02:10 PM
dang what did we do wrong!?

xun4gvn4everx
01-04-2010, 02:11 PM
dang what did we do wrong!?

It's because you touch yourself at night

Spinning Sushi
01-04-2010, 02:13 PM
I love how this thread have grown to epic proportions on this forum. :)

If it wasn't thanks to me creating this thread, there would have been mass confusion in the meet threads, lol.

sephyobsessed
01-04-2010, 02:14 PM
Hello!!! Nothing but us innocent authority-loving rx8 forum members here! We <3 rules right guys?! :D:

nikkdizzle
01-04-2010, 02:14 PM
I love how this thread have grown to epic proportions on this forum. :)

If it wasn't thanks to me creating this thread, there would have been mass confusion in the meet threads, lol.


ispy would be blowing up with socal madness spilling out to the rest of the forum
and conversations in 5 different threads! :rofl:

sephyobsessed
01-04-2010, 02:15 PM
OH SHIT!!!!!! I HAVE A DENTIST APPOINTMENT IN 15 MINUTES!!!! SO NOT GOING TO MAKE IT IN TIME!!!!! RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN!!

ttyl guys, sorry lol

J03K1LLARX8
01-04-2010, 02:15 PM
Hi Jedi! :wavey:

nikkdizzle
01-04-2010, 02:15 PM
adios sephy!

yess happy 2010 jedi!

Spinning Sushi
01-04-2010, 02:16 PM
ispy would be blowing up with socal madness spilling out to the rest of the forum
and conversations in 5 different threads! :rofl:

You should look up the LAX, Walnut, and Super Autobacs meet threads... they were going out of hand so that's why I created this thread. :)

nikkdizzle
01-04-2010, 02:17 PM
now i've seen it before...
freakin chase will answer questions in a thread from a different thread.
its freakin hillarious!

zoom44
01-04-2010, 02:18 PM
John, their going to ban me again. (Runs away)


well that is certainly a possibility if you keep posting things like " stupid admins..."

Spinning Sushi
01-04-2010, 02:19 PM
O hai zoom! I <3 you!

/suckingup

Spinning Sushi
01-04-2010, 02:20 PM
Thank God I have never made a God upset before. :)

Buddy Jesus
01-04-2010, 02:22 PM
It's They're. They are going to ban me again. Not their you illiterate f...

nikkdizzle
01-04-2010, 02:22 PM
ahhhhh!

:scared:


:suspect:


:D:

Spinning Sushi
01-04-2010, 02:23 PM
Alright guys! The Gods have spoken! This thread is to be shut down tomorrow morning. The new thread will be titled SoCal Lounge Part II! This will be made by me at 9:00am tomorrow!

The Reverend
01-04-2010, 02:23 PM
It's They're. They are going to ban me again. Not their you illiterate f...
hes on his fone calm down mate :lol:

The Reverend
01-04-2010, 02:24 PM
alright guys! The gods have spoken! This thread is to be shut down tomorrow morning. The new thread will be titled socal lounge part ii
oshiiiiiiii.

Vlaze
01-04-2010, 02:24 PM
Thank God I have never made a God upset before. :)

Didn't I read somewhere your 8 got wrecked long ago? Just hadda say it.


And out I go...

xun4gvn4everx
01-04-2010, 02:24 PM
R.I.P Socal Lounge :tear:

Buddy Jesus
01-04-2010, 02:25 PM
IMHO it should be called Socal Pedo Sex Shop

Spinning Sushi
01-04-2010, 02:25 PM
Didn't I read somewhere your 8 got wrecked long ago? Just hadda say it.


And out I go...

Yeah.. it got wrecked... sadly. :(

Luckily, I lived and the other guy paid the ultimate price.

nikkdizzle
01-04-2010, 02:25 PM
for serios?

Buddy Jesus
01-04-2010, 02:26 PM
How did it feel to kill a man?

nikkdizzle
01-04-2010, 02:26 PM
dang this sucks!

:squint:

Spinning Sushi
01-04-2010, 02:26 PM
Indeed, Zoom said to let this thread take its course for the rest of today and start a new one tomorrow morning. :)

Spinning Sushi
01-04-2010, 02:27 PM
How did it feel to kill a man?

Technically, he committed suicide for running that red light; I am at no fault.

nikkdizzle
01-04-2010, 02:28 PM
Indeed, Zoom said to let this thread take its course for the rest of today and start a new one tomorrow morning. :)


dang what did we do wrong?

hahaha but very coool.

sequels are never as good as the original. :squint:

Gr8Bullet
01-04-2010, 02:28 PM
Lol wow!

Spinning Sushi
01-04-2010, 02:30 PM
Yeah, but Buddy Jesus decided to be an ass and created one...

Gr8Bullet
01-04-2010, 02:32 PM
Bahaha I just posted in it. John should of made it tho.

Jedi54
01-04-2010, 02:32 PM
another epic thread getting shut down, w00t!
It's not a bad thing guys, it's actually for the best because when threads get THIS big they are much slower to load and are a bigger strain on IB's servers.
(think of the poor little hamster that powers this place)


It's all good guys.
Johh, make sure you quote your 1st post today and store it in a Word Doc because when zoom locks this place down, you won't be able to grab it. (copy / paste won't get all the font sizes, colors, etc)

nikkdizzle
01-04-2010, 02:32 PM
what a gaf!

Spinning Sushi
01-04-2010, 02:33 PM
Bahaha I just posted in it. John should of made it tho.

Indeed... what an ass... but what can I do about it?

Buddy Jesus
01-04-2010, 02:34 PM
I was joking, calm your boner, go make one.

nikkdizzle
01-04-2010, 02:34 PM
create another another one and we'll all post there!

Spinning Sushi
01-04-2010, 02:34 PM
:rofl:

O well, I guess I'll start one now.

Buddy Jesus
01-04-2010, 02:35 PM
I deleted my old one, you guys are getting out of control.

Jedi54
01-04-2010, 02:36 PM
Hi Jedi! :wavey:
Hey J03y, how's Monday treatin' ya?




yess happy 2010 jedi!
Hey Nikko!
May 2010 be an even better year and a greater adventure then 2009




OH, and before I forget...
Since the Admins and Mods have graced us with their presence, I think it is fitting to share these posts. :D:

This may be my last post this year Happy New Year So Cal!!! Stay positive everyone!

JEDI FOR MOD 2010

Ditto :ylsuper::ylsuper:

Gr8Bullet
01-04-2010, 02:39 PM
1725 pages by tommorrow morning!!?!? I sure we can do it lol

Red_Fox
01-04-2010, 02:56 PM
Jesus! i go out for starbucks for an hour and i'm already falling behind 4 pages :lol:

sephy: na i got a carmal frap for the first time in like a year! it was mighty good :yumyum:

Spinning Sushi
01-04-2010, 02:56 PM
Chase, go to this thread: http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?p=3374800