Since there has been some discussion of reflashing, just wondering if you plan to offer reflashing for NA, or just your SC? Specifically the 4-port 4AT? You guys seem to be one of the few that go out of your way to support us, and we appreciate it!

Not sure if I'm going FI yet or not, but I'd definitely be interested in NA reflashing tools.

Since there has been some discussion of reflashing, just wondering if you plan to offer reflashing for NA, or just your SC? Specifically the 4-port 4AT? You guys seem to be one of the few that go out of your way to support us, and we appreciate it!

Not sure if I'm going FI yet or not, but I'd definitely be interested in NA reflashing tools.

Hay mdw: The Pettit crew rarely reads this forum and if you waiting for an answer you will grow old. I have talked to Cam several times and while plans change his last answer to me was:
1. No plans on N/A flash
2. First up will be the MT flash for the s/c.
3. Quick to follow will be the AT flash for the s/c.
4. No plans on flash for other forms of FI
5. No tools - all flashes to be done in-house by driving there or sending in your ECU.

Now of course plans change and if you want a definitive answer you need to email Pettit at "sales@pettitracing.com or call him at 561-296-0776.

Thanks for the reply, Phil! You gave me the answer I was expecting.

Oh well, hopefully somebody else will come out with a reflashing tool for us NA 4AT guys in the near future. But I'm not holding my breath. Par for the course for the bastard stepchildren.

Thanks for the reply, Phil! You gave me the answer I was expecting.

Oh well, hopefully somebody else will come out with a reflashing tool for us NA 4AT guys in the near future. But I'm not holding my breath. Par for the course for the bastard stepchildren.

I get the feeling that your expecting something that you will not get for n/a cars. Any increase in HP will me minimal and based upon what you already bolted on.

Not expecting huge gains. Just hoping for some sort of gain.

not sure if this has any bearing in this situation, but RB has a flash out already...
would that be something you might be interested in?

but as Phil said, and i agree...minimal gains will be had...
i think i read somewhere on this board, that you might gain 10whp with the x in a NA engine..thats a lot of money to spend for 10whp...

:D:

not sure if this has any bearing in this situation, but RB has a flash out already...
would that be something you might be interested in?

but as Phil said, and i agree...minimal gains will be had...
i think i read somewhere on this board, that you might gain 10whp with the x in a NA engine..thats a lot of money to spend for 10whp...

:D:

RB flash is very expensive for the gains, while in line with other HP per $, they have the chance of being negated by the dealer during routine maintenance and a similar high reflash cost. HP returns are different with each tell.

With limited conversations with Cobb, your gain should be in the neighborhood of 5-10 hp (with his flash) but will cause any existing bolt-ons to reach their full potential. His flash will be less money with reflash costs minimal (or so the plan is). The plan is to release the n/a flash for the MT in the first quarter of the new year with the AT to follow shortly thereafter.

Now the X is a little different. I gained 20hp with the X when I was n/a but others report lower gains.

^
yup... :lol:
what he said...

RB doesn't support ATs. But thanks for thinkin of me!

I guess what I'm hoping for is a tool that will allow me to do either a flash or tuning (by a pro) for both NA and FI. That way I can go ahead and get it and get some benefit out of it while NA, but still have the option to go FI when I feel comfortable spending the cash.

but as Phil said, and i agree...minimal gains will be had...
i think i read somewhere on this board, that you might gain 10whp with the x in a NA engine..thats a lot of money to spend for 10whp...

:D:

The interesting thing is that the Pettit reflash costs $1,199. So if he's willing to blow that much on a reflash, the int-x is a bargain.

personally...i wouldnt spend the any kind of money for a flash just to get very little gain..

just doesnt make any sense to me IMO

its like buying a bunch of bolt-ons expressly for the point of major hp gains...
when they just arent there

yeah... but FI isn't a valid option for some. They might not be legal in their state or they like staying NA. Cobb is the holy grail in this arena, if it ever comes out.

Not necessarily willing to spend 1100 for 10 hp. Just investigating what some of the potential options might be.

FI might be in my future, or maybe not. Not sure at this point. That's why I'd like something like what the Cobb tool sounds like it is going to be - able to be used for both. When I originally posted this, I didn't know that you'd have to send the ECU in to Pettit to be flashed. Was hoping for either PC software to hook up or a tool to plug into the car to flash/tune. I'm really hoping to avoid a piggyback - we have emmissions inspections here, so I'd like to avoid the hassles associated with a piggyback.

Not necessarily willing to spend 1100 for 10 hp. Just investigating what some of the potential options might be.
Not sure where you got that price - Pettit flash is not to gain HP but to offer a smooth operation of the super charger and not available for the n/a. The Cobb flash for the n/a will be for a little more hp but should not cost as much

FI might be in my future, or maybe not. Not sure at this point. That's why I'd like something like what the Cobb tool sounds like it is going to be - able to be used for both. When I originally posted this, I didn't know that you'd have to send the ECU in to Pettit to be flashed. Was hoping for either PC software to hook up or a tool to plug into the car to flash/tune. I'm really hoping to avoid a piggyback - we have emissions inspections here, so I'd like to avoid the hassles associated with a piggyback.
I don't ofter agree with MySQL101 but he is correct, if you are worried about air pollution then you need to wait for Cobb. What makes you think that the tuner set up from Cobb will not cost over $1000?? Don't get in any hurry for it - the soonest sounds like very late next year (maybe). Presently (notice the word presently) you will not gain enough hp for a n/a engine to make it worth while.

cobb's reflasher costs $695.00 btw

I couldn't find a price on software, but I seem to recall they charged around $300 for the software that lets you modify your own maps... of course, that was for the old version of the cobb tuner... the new one has a display, so they might all come with that capability now.

cobb's reflasher costs $695.00 btw

I couldn't find a price on software, but I seem to recall they charged around $300 for the software that lets you modify your own maps... of course, that was for the old version of the cobb tuner... the new one has a display, so they might all come with that capability now.

Your correct, it adds up quickly for all that I would need. The new one does have a display. The complete tuner package (as told to me) is $1100.00. Keep in mind that it's still almost a year away.

yeah... but FI isn't a valid option for some. They might not be legal in their state or they like staying NA. Cobb is the holy grail in this arena, if it ever comes out.

but how much whp will you get from the cobb flash??

Phil,

Got the 1100 price for the Pettit reflash from mysql's post earlier in this thread.

One thing you have all forgotten - I have a lip spoiler. The optimization of a reflash with a lip spoiler adds like 500 whp. Throw in an extra 100 whp or so because I have an ipod connector.

Presently (notice the word presently) you will not gain enough hp for a n/a engine to make it worth while.

the bagheaded persons car seems to disagree with that statement ....

the bagheaded persons car seems to disagree with that statement ....
I am only saying what I was told to me by the developer, Trey. There will be minimial hp improvment with the flash for the n/a.

do a search in the asian forum for RE amemiya reflash, they do have it for NA AT, but I dont know if they flash US spec

3) There are more than just the popular companies who are working on this concept.

HHmmm I wonder
good luck with it

do a search in the asian forum for RE amemiya reflash, they do have it for NA AT, but I dont know if they flash US spec

You know I must have answered this 100 times - Will not work - they will not flash a US cars and if they did it would not work (different programs). Now if you want to import the whole right hand drive car with no pollution controls then it would be another matter.

I keep telling everyone that the hp will not be significant but what I did not say was the limits will disappear or be raised to the end of the power curve. While you will not gain any hp, you will gain performance. No one asked the question so I did not address it.

Good to hear others are looking into the flash - there needs to be diversity. Go for it bud.

phil I would love to see your avatar flash (boobs)

You sir sound like a good judge of well endowed women and premium equipped fine cars:wink2:

thanks

Hey how is the new radiator working out for ya

...............................................Hey how is the new radiator working out for ya

I got deligated to second and as Ray has just told you it will be going in on 12/4 if we can quit talking this time and keep our attention to the work. There are several other projects on the schedule so we need to stay busy this trip. I have to keep my lowly AT at peek form.

Oh I thought it was already on since I saw it on your sig. But I guess that is what I get for taking my eyes off the avatar.

I only see two bazzzoooooookkkkkkaaaaaasssssssssssss
lol

I got a little carried away and posted it before we put it in. I just thought not one would see it cuz of the lovely girl in my avatar and my witty posts :) .

You know I must have answered this 100 times - Will not work - they will not flash a US cars and if they did it would not work (different programs). Now if you want to import the whole right hand drive car with no pollution controls then it would be another matter.

I keep telling everyone that the hp will not be significant but what I did not say was the limits will disappear or be raised to the end of the power curve. While you will not gain any hp, you will gain performance. No one asked the question so I did not address it.

Good to hear others are looking into the flash - there needs to be diversity. Go for it bud.

JDM cars dont have pollution controls?

I mention the amemiya flash so that he knows what a flash does to the AT

I wish I could get a reflash tool that would give my car more performance and cause the girl in Phil's avatar to pop out of my passenger door.

I wish I could get a reflash tool that would give my car more performance and cause the girl in Phil's avatar to pop out of my passenger door.
Money can buy anything and I mean anything

I keep telling everyone that the hp will not be significant but what I did not say was the limits will disappear or be raised to the end of the power curve. While you will not gain any hp, you will gain performance. .

my car says different- with a good tune - like the racing beat flash the car DOES gain not only hp throughout the rev range but over 10 peak as well. you may not think that is significant but anyone who still has a "stock " vehicle and then rides in my car immediately can tell the difference. secondly you get the cooling fan on earlier benefit.

how anyone can think that at $295 it costs tooo much after they have bought a 500 dollar exhaust for no gain is beyond me.

my car says different- with a good tune - like the racing beat flash the car DOES gain not only hp throughout the rev range but over 10 peak as well. you may not think that is significant but anyone who still has a "stock " vehicle and then rides in my car immediately can tell the difference. secondly you get the cooling fan on earlier benefit.

how anyone can think that at $295 it costs tooo much after they have bought a 500 dollar exhaust for no gain is beyond me.

Since RB chooses to ignore the ATs out here gains, small as they are, can only be felt by the MT crowd. I have ridden MT with the RB flash and can not feel any difference from when they were stock but I do not drive one. You are correct about the cooling fans but you could get the same fan control from Scott for a whole lot less cash outlay and not have to do without your ECU for the term that RB requires it. I am not RB bashing, as you will see by my signature I use several of his products.

ah so you were saying minimal gains in the context of the 4port 4AT cars.

as far as time they had it- took it out monday night ,sent it tuesday and put it back in the car friday evening.

but how much whp will you get from the cobb flash??

Unless there's a limitation in the hardware (such as only being able to adjust timing by 15 degrees), I don't see why any one solution would be better than the other. After all, the power gained, is completely dependent on the resulting tune used.

ah so you were saying minimal gains in the context of the 4port 4AT cars.

as far as time they had it- took it out monday night ,sent it tuesday and put it back in the car friday evening.

The down time improved. There would be no gains cuz RB will not do an AT ecu. I rode in a MT before he got the RB treatment and again after he got it back. It must be a driver thing to feel it cuz no improvement was evident to me as a rider. My host did not seem very impressed either but would say so. Now in fairness he got the street treatment so there may be more to the racing treatment.

My comments are mainly about 4 port ATs and what I am told about 6 port ATs. I may also be slightly biased due to my gains with the s/c.

if you're getting a 6 whp gain with a peak gain around 10 whp, and you have a passenger in the car, no one would be able to feel the difference.

Unless there's a limitation in the hardware (such as only being able to adjust timing by 15 degrees), I don't see why any one solution would be better than the other. After all, the power gained, is completely dependent on the resulting tune used.

Agreed on "the power gained, is completely dependent on the resulting tune used".
The only reason I see of one being better than the other is the easy of their process to reach the desired tune.

That will just be dependent on the individuals preference.

Me I want a voice controlled one with artificail intelligence so I can tell it max whp and max trq being monitored and controlled at all times. :)

reflash for me is always the most ideal when possible. One less system that can fail in the mix (piggyback).

But there is no one size fits all, and each system has it's own pros and cons. So sometimes one is better than another for technical reasons, other times it's just personal choice.

if you're getting a 6 whp gain with a peak gain around 10 whp, and you have a passenger in the car, no one would be able to feel the difference.

clearly can feel the difference . me and someone ride in their stock oem tuning car and then we ride in my car. the difference is very noticeable.

clearly can feel the difference . me and someone ride in their stock oem tuning car and then we ride in my car. the difference is very noticeable.

The problem with your logic is that stock car to stock car, some will have 20 or more whp than the other. So 6 whp is less than the natural variations of cars with no changes at all.

any stock tuning rx-8 and my car. ive done it with various cars. mine was nothing special out of the box. i just barely pulled 180 on good run on the dyno pre flash and had pulled less previously. so mine wasnt one fo those 190-out of the gate cars.

exactly. Some stock cars will pull 160 or 170. Some will do 190.

Saying you can feel a 6 whp increase isn't a truthful way to measure anything because you don't know if one car already had a 20 whp increase over the other car to begin with.

And if you did have dynos for both cars, the results aren't going to be conclusive unless it's the same type of dyno, with similar gas, elevation, and climate.

Also even trim level on the car can matter. the GT leather seats are pretty heavy compared to the cloth ones.

RB flash is very expensive for the gains, while in line with other HP per $, they have the chance of being negated by the dealer during routine maintenance and a similar high reflash cost. HP returns are different with each tell.

With limited conversations with Cobb, your gain should be in the neighborhood of 5-10 hp (with his flash) but will cause any existing bolt-ons to reach their full potential. His flash will be less money with reflash costs minimal (or so the plan is).


back to that for a moment- Cobb will not be less expensive than the Racing Beat. Racing beat is $295 while Cobb will be over $600. not knocking cobb as i relish the day there is a field flash unit for our vehicle and it makes for obviously easier and less expensive reflashing. just correcting what phil said.

Also even trim level on the car can matter. the GT leather seats are pretty heavy compared to the cloth ones.


i agree with all of your points just not your conclusion:)

but to point a finer point on it- my car now with the rb flash(and intake but oem exhaust) clearly and noticeably accelerates faster than any other stock oem tuned 6speed car ive driven/rode in so far

just so you know, now that my turbo has been removed from my car, I think my NA rx-8 is the slowest rx-8 I've ever ridden in.

hheheh i bet that feels awful

just so you know, now that my turbo has been removed from my car, I think my NA rx-8 is the slowest rx-8 I've ever ridden in.
:evil_laug :evil_laug :evil_laug Back to stock?? for sure it must be temporary?

damn right it's temporary!

I'm anxiously waiting for MM's turbo upgrade. If that doesn't work, I'll just have the greddy turbo rebuilt.

The turbo is out of the car right now because I'm getting a transmission replacement, new clutch, and flywheel. Once that's done, I'll be dealing with the turbo reinstall.

With so much going on about upcoming re-flasher, this is a quiet thread.

It was claimed that Pettit was using the EFIDude re-flasher and tuner software and that they would come put their own version out soon.

Any truth to this?

This is also significant because of the experience they had re-flashing cars and Pettit backing a re-flasher solution.

With so much going on about upcoming re-flasher, this is a quiet thread.

It was claimed that Pettit was using the EFIDude re-flasher and tuner software and that they would come put their own version out soon.

Any truth to this?

This is also significant because of the experience they had re-flashing cars and Pettit backing a re-flasher solution.

http://pettitracing.com/efidude.htm

They have a link to efidude's website on their website. I don't think they're coming out with their own version.

Hey, this is a little (more like a lot, I know) late, but I'd be happy to add an NA 4 port to the Open Source Tuning thread if we had a candidate.