about 2 months ago my car was stalling randomly due to bad spark plugs i got that fixed and now due to that my CAT is going out and its my making my car flood almost everytime i drive it now, which is very annoying, my dealership that i goto will rip me off about $2000 to fix so im not going to go there ive heard you can get the CAT taken out and the car will run fine without it but i dont know of anywhere that will do it because i dont really want to buy a new CAT right now im planning on waiting until december before my inspection too. so basically are there any places that will take the CAT out and if so for how much?

The cat is a part of the emissions system. By federal law, it is warrantied for 8 yrs/ 100,000 miles.
The dealer shouldn't be charging you for any emissions related repairs, yet.

Get the high flow cat for www.rx7store.net and post some pics of you and your car:)

lol tell that to my dealership they charged $300 to change spark plugs nothing is under warrenty to them even though im paying an extra $30 on the payment for a warrenty.

http://www.epa.gov/otaq/consumer/warr95fs.txt

Contact MazdaUSA or EPA

The Design and Defect Warranty covers repair of emission related
parts which become defective during the warranty period. The Design
and Defect warranty for model year 1995 and newer light-duty cars and
trucks is outlined below:

Design and Defect Warranty Coverage for 1995 and newer light-duty
vehicles:

* Emission control and emission related parts are covered for the
first 2 years or 24,000 miles of vehicle use; and

* Specified major emission control components are covered for the
first 8 years or 80,000 miles of vehicle use.

According to federal law, an emission control or emission related
part, or a specified major emission control component, that fails
because of a defect in materials or workmanship, must be repaired or
replaced by the vehicle manufacturer free of charge as long as the
vehicle has not exceeded the warranty time or mileage limitations for
the failed part.

im triening to find a new one but there all like an hr away from where i live

Would you want to pay

or would you want to drive an hour away ?

Your choice.

While you're at it, contact your local BBB or whatever and report that dealership's act. cuz its against the law. mind to share the name of the dealership ?

is this against the law too

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=128085


repair cost are in there

cost for maintanence and changing spark plugs


fuel injection flush $98.25
replaced plugs and air filter $258.88
spark plug set $154.85
element air cleaner $47.50
ignition coil $212.99
plug wires $75.80
misc stuff $29

total
labor $500.12
parts amount $455.05
misc. charges $29
sub total $984.17
tax $42.41
TOTAL $1026.58

Wow, Im really surprise that you actually still stick with that dealership.

Go somewhere else first, and fix what it needs to be fix.

Then call MNAO up and ask them *why is the other dealership fixing it for free? and this one is charging me money ?*

i need to find one i think im jus going to go up to the denton one and get it fixed because the flooding the CAT is causing is ridiculous now im so done with it.

fuel injection flush $98.25

wow, what they did again ? pour a bottle of cleaner into your gas tank, and those cost what? 6-10 bucks ?

replaced plugs and air filter $258.88
spark plug set $154.85
why am I seeing 2 plugs listed ? Stock plugs for this engine cost 20 bux if you buy it from outside, dealership (honest one, which obviously yours was NOT) charge about 30 bux, and you need 4 plugs for this engine.

the air filter about 30 brand new

element air cleaner $47.50

???? wtf is that ? are you talking about the A/C filter ?
I dont think so, it does not sound like it.

ignition coil $212.99

.... 100 for all 4.

plug wires $75.80
LOL ! should be around 50 something

misc stuff $29

total
labor $500.12
Holy shit, how much per hour ?

parts amount $455.05
misc. charges $29
sub total $984.17
tax $42.41
TOTAL $1026.58

DAMN ! what a rip off.

If you were in NYC, I do everything for you for free(you gotta get the parts tho, but no where near what the dealership charged you) just give me some beers and talk to me while Im doing it. (cuz its boring to work alone ...)

well i have friends who are really big sports cars enthuisist and they really know what theyre doing they do all the work on their cars one of them rebuilt his integras engine, but my car has an undercarriage gaurd so they really cant look at it unless they can lift it which they would need a shop for that so im kind of indecision on what to do because i really want them to look at it and know for sure whats wrong before i take it in to any dealer

Yup. My Mazda dealer will charge you $95.50 per hr. Rip off!!!!!!! you hear me! dam Mada dealers...

well i have friends who are really big sports cars enthuisist and they really know what theyre doing they do all the work on their cars one of them rebuilt his integras engine, but my car has an undercarriage gaurd so they really cant look at it unless they can lift it which they would need a shop for that so im kind of indecision on what to do because i really want them to look at it and know for sure whats wrong before i take it in to any dealer

You dont need a lift to work on this car.

Hell I have just 4 jack stand and a big low profile garage grade jack. (about 6 pumps and I put jack stand in, sweet jack, but 100 bux tho :()

thats all you need.

if your friends dont have a low-profile jack, get one cheap, maybe 20 bux.

True but a lift is sweet.

Yup. My Mazda dealer will charge you $95.50 per hr. Rip off!!!!!!! you hear me! dam Mada dealers...

One of the dealership (Great Neck Mazda)

Last time I was there, maybe 7-8 months ago, charging 105 bux per hour.

Dunno about now, they jack their prices up every freaking year.

but the point is that, the stuff that they did to her car, lets just say the dealership charge 100 bux per hour, 5 hours of time to do "those" ? come on.

True but a lift is sweet.

almost a year ago when my parents renovate the house, I should've asked to take the small room out to put a lift in .... god damn it I forgot ! too late now :(

I asked my friends, the lift cost like 5-8 Grand, depends on the brand and quality, and install cost 3-4 grand .... *sigh*

One thing we have all neglected to tell you is that the fouling plugs caused a clogged cat, and this issue is well-known by Mazda. The money you paid for the repair can be re-imbursed to you through their re-imbursement program.

Log onto that "finishline" link and read up on it.

how would i prove it was them without them trieing to say i clogged it idk how

how would i prove it was them without them trieing to say i clogged it idk how

You cant just *clogged* the cat yourself.

Do you have your receipts ?

Yup. My Mazda dealer will charge you $95.50 per hr. Rip off!!!!!!!

$95.50 per hour is in the ball park for dealerships. Also for a lot of good independent shops. Not a ripoff, just the way things are. Pretty much the way a nickel candy bar is now over a dollar.

rol - unless your 8 is more than 8 years old (impossible) or has more than 80,000 miles, the cat is covered by the emissions warranty. Do not pay anyone to replace it or remove it. If your dealer refuses to replace it under warranty, have them put it in writing, then contact MNAO.

Ken

yes i do i have kept all of them and really they will they tried to say that i shoved spark plugs in my engine.

yes i do i have kept all of them and really they will they tried to say that i shoved spark plugs in my engine.

Sure.

tell them to prove it.

if they cant, they have to work on it. for free

well in the time until i get it replaced is there anyway i can prevent the flooding.

Could you tell us what year your car is and how much mileage is on the odo?

First off, your car isn't "flooding". The longer version of the story is that you probably have/had bad coils that caused misfiring. This misfiring caused the plugs to appear fouled when, in reality, the coils are/were weak. These misfires caused the cat to become clogged and this is the problem you have now. The date on which you registered your initial "concern"(as it is called in the industry) is the date from which this situation shall be judged. Even if you are out of warranty now, if you registered your concern when you were not, you are still covered. Lemme give you an example;

I recently drove from MI to AZ, with a stop in TX. Before I left MI, I registered a concern with a dealer in AZ and my mileage was 49,540. Obviously, my mileage was going to be out of warranty by the time I got to AZ but, since the mileage was within when I registered my concern, the parts and labor were covered.

In your case, your original problem has NOT been corrected and, thus, the date of your original concern still applies.

Thats good info. I'll try that one my Mazda dealer on Monday.

04 and 51k

First off, your car isn't "flooding". The longer version of the story is that you probably have/had bad coils that caused misfiring. This misfiring caused the plugs to appear fouled when, in reality, the coils are/were weak. These misfires caused the cat to become clogged and this is the problem you have now. The date on which you registered your initial "concern"(as it is called in the industry) is the date from which this situation shall be judged. Even if you are out of warranty now, if you registered your concern when you were not, you are still covered. Lemme give you an example;

I recently drove from MI to AZ, with a stop in TX. Before I left MI, I registered a concern with a dealer in AZ and my mileage was 49,540. Obviously, my mileage was going to be out of warranty by the time I got to AZ but, since the mileage was within when I registered my concern, the parts and labor were covered.

In your case, your original problem has NOT been corrected and, thus, the date of your original concern still applies.

i have a pussy not a penis i have no idea wat that means

i have a pussy not a penis i have no idea wat that means

it means you have to get your buddy who are *crazy car freaks* to come up to this forum, look at what CRH told u, then go with you to the dealership to yell at those motherfuxkers there.

Doesn't the EPA mandate the cat is covered under warranty for 100,000+ miles?

It is.

but certain dealershit will try to screw people over whenever they get a chance.

Cuz its extremely easy and fast to get money out of a customer.

i know your not trying to but most women dont know anything technical about cars lol

i know your not trying to but most women dont know anything technical about cars lolAnd that's the reason that they are more likely to get "taken to the cleaners" by shyster repair shops. You came her to become more informed. We are trying to help.

i know your not trying to but most women dont know anything technical about cars lol

Thats why women should listen to men's advise ... more often :)

Get your friends up, read what we wrote

its time to do the *right* thing.

get ur friends on this forum, and tell them to take care of it at the dealership for you, 1st off they shouldn't have charged u jack for this crap
2nd, the cat is covered for 100k miles so if they don't, sue their asses
3rd, it is up to the dealer to prove that YOU clogged it, not assume and YOU have to defend, if they can't prove that YOU clogged it, then THEY have to fix it under warranty

so what seems to be your problem?

i know your not trying to but most women dont know anything technical about cars lol

But you've got a lot of folks here who do know about cars to support you. And if you're going to look for gender-specific skills, women are expert shoppers/negotiators.

FWIW, I always take my wife with me when I shop for major items. Even cars and computers, which she has no technical knowledge of. But her shopping expertise always pays off.

So with your shopping skills and an army of testosterone-filled geeks behind you for tech support, there is no reason to get ripped off any more.

Ken

But you've got a lot of folks here who do know about cars to support you. And if you're going to look for gender-specific skills, women are expert shoppers/negotiators.

FWIW, I always take my wife with me when I shop for major items. Even cars and computers, which she has no technical knowledge of. But her shopping expertise always pays off.

So with your shopping skills and an army of testosterone-filled geeks behind you for tech support, there is no reason to get ripped off any more.

Ken

shit, how come my gf has none of the skills that you talked about ...

maybe I should find another gf ? :lol2:

Ken's comments only apply to "grown" women who have real responsibilities like paying taxes, raising kids, and showing up for work on-time. Stuff like that.

I can feel the cold, bitterness in that post, its like a blizzard, ironically, we just had a wild fire

...maybe I should find another gf ? :lol2:

Didn't I already advise you to do that, back in April? :)

Ken

Ken's comments only apply to "grown" women who have real responsibilities like paying taxes, raising kids, and showing up for work on-time. Stuff like that.

Wouldn't use of a phrase like "i have a pussy not a penis" indicate a certain amount of grown-ness and responsibility? :)

damn it all ray, u still pwn

cost for maintanence and changing spark plugs


fuel injection flush $98.25
replaced plugs and air filter $258.88
spark plug set $154.85
element air cleaner $47.50
ignition coil $212.99
plug wires $75.80
misc stuff $29

total
labor $500.12
parts amount $455.05
misc. charges $29
sub total $984.17
tax $42.41
TOTAL $1026.58


HOLY SHIT.....Don't you have a man around the house.....if not you need to pull up your sleeves :)

Ken's comments only apply to "grown" women who have real responsibilities like paying taxes, raising kids, and showing up for work on-time. Stuff like that.

She has been working for almost 4 years, making pretty good money in AIG now as internal Audit. shows up on work every day on time never took a day off for no reason (but she does keep bitching about stress from work)

Raising kids no, she said she will NEVER have kids, while I think I might want 1 or 2 .... I dont know ....


Didn't I already advise you to do that, back in April? :)

Ken

*sigh* sometimes its hard to make the decision ...