and another one

Congrats moon :D:

awwww man--look at that little peanut head:)
Better be careful moon--you will fall in love with that young one.
bday nov 3nd?

i didnt realize how beautiful the Black Halo airbox tray is until i got one--and it makes it easier to mount the a/w coolant tank.
If you dont have one --get it.

good job moon!

Hes more of a new moon than a half moon!

Well new front O2 sensor and still getting the same DTC P0171 code (System too lean ON 2 Fuel system).

Before I forget I also got code DTC P0507 (Idle air control system RPM higher than expected ON 2 CCM) a few days ago but it hasn't comeback since I cleared it.

It is the P0171 that keeps coming back.

This time I took the fuel pump out and cleaned everything (sock looked cleaned) and my fuel pressure is within specs.

Checked my MSD coils with a timing light. They are good.

Cleaned the TB butterfly.

Sprayed about 1/3 can of carb cleaner all over the engine bay and no idle changes (only if I sprayed at the air filter to confirm).

Took the car for a spin, full tank and various full throttle/gears/speed modes. OBDII and AEM AFR the same ranging from 11.9 to 12.1

The code shows within the first few minutes after cranking the car. I crank, it idle flutter between 900 and 1200 few times. Then to 1500 for few seconds and slowly down to 1100. After that it idles fine. (Yes, I reset the room fuse and did the pedal dance many times).

Could it be that my TB is bad or going bad? :dunno:

stop being stubborn and check the injectors, it doesnt matter that they are new:)
you a/f's are too high?
it sounds like the primarys may not be doing their job--since you are having idle problems?
did you spray around the w/m nozzle sites?
where on the efi log does it start showing a more lean a/f than normal?

With the space limits we have what air filter is everyone using?

Found my problem. :Peace:

It was a disconnected vacuum hose hidden behind my lower intake heat shield blanket. Somehow it came off even though it had a zip-tie. I goes to the 1/2 pipe that runs between LIM and the thermostat housing. Back on with two zip-ties and no more issues. :eyetwitch

All that for a disconnected hose :lol:
glad you found it man :)

what vacuum line is that? I dont have it. Is it the one that goes to the jet air thingy?
If so then thats the reason as I removed mine.
If you have the jet air still in there--worm clamp that bastard! It can blow off
That had to be a pretty big vacuum leak......?
Glad you found it---want to sell that new o2 sensor....? lol. I will buy it for preventive maintainance.

Bad vac hose, bad bad bad.

just ordered a case of Torco fuel accelerate:)
Just received my set of Hawk dtc 60 pads.
Cant decide if I want to go or stop I guess?

Order a case of crown royal I'll buy tickets to ya house. :)

Found my problem. :Peace:

Somehow it came off even though it had a zip-tie. :eyetwitch


Boost will leak if possible, in the most unlikely spot.

/that should be a Murphy sub-law.

Add some Right-Stuff to the base of the vacuum nipple, so the hose is also glued on....

marsredr100- Thats pretty good. A 13.5 Pass @ 330hp.

My buddies El Camino with a 502 Stroke/Balanced ran 13.8 passes @ 108 mph at 500 HP/TQ... shit threw me in my seat. Im sure the feeling is similar in your ride if not more:ylsuper: What was your speed at the end of the 1/4? Did you top out?

had my tuning session with Steve Kan. Cam called Steve while I was there. I called him "Old man" --:) like me.
We had excellent results, We left some on the table because I wanted a very conservative tune.
I guess my little LIM work payed off--as we saw something that Steve had never seen before---nor I he-he on this engine-hehehe.
We took it to 9K.
it was ambient temps of about 65F, my measure intake temp per Steve on the maf was 18C with a fan pointed toward the grill--guess my little mod on the front support beam/grill worked too hehe.
The lim runners where cool to the touch--that new bigger a/w intercooler/radiator has really worked.
with the water meth on i lost 10 rwhp and tq--i had only one 175cc nozzle post blower.
The car was NOT tuned for w/m. I will drop my nozzle size to a 60cc now --because it will be only used to he;p cool the intake charge will tracking. it is interesting that the a/f's did not change at all with the w/m on?? Go figure?
very conservative engine timing with max at 14. 14 degree split
I will get a dyno sheet posted sometime today but numbers.................
This is with the big pulley and ONLY 7 PSI BOOST.
RWHP 292
TQ 191. with TQ coming on board at 2.7K rpm
:):):):)

WOW Congrats! I am Really happy for you Denny!

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hope that came through ok.
interesting dyno---huh
remember this is on 7psi only

The blue line is with water meth on using one 175cc nozzle post blower
the green line is back in 2006 when we first started identifying ignition coil problems---all four of mine where very bad!

Not opening the APV sooner was a wasted opportunity. Otherwise congrats.

just ordered a case of Torco fuel accelerate:)

I would not recommend using this in a Renesis due to it's reputation for combustion deposit buildup. Premium unleaded should be fine if your fuel and timing tables are properly adjusted. If you insist on enhacing the octane level then use xylene or higher octane unleaded for dosing instead. The cheap & easy way will cost you a lot more down the road; pay me now or pay me many times more later .....

APV should have been opened at 5200 RPM.
Most boosted RX-8s make more torque that way.

torco will be used for track only--so it will not be that much.
i have ran toulene/xylene before just messing around with it and the car seems to like it better than the torco. You just have to carry so dang much and it is getting expensive.
I am tuned for our 93 ethanol crap
i will be bumping up my self imposed redline of 7.5K to a little over 8K.
we left some on the table--steve told me that a little over 300 was doable-- but i was happy with this at 7lbs of boost.
We played with the apv a little but just decided in the end to leave it alone. Driveability is really good. Gas milage went up a tad also
boost held steady and no belt slippage--just a good day.
Road atlanta is next w/e.

Congrats OD!
All that work is paying off for you.

Sounds like it all went good OD
So the tuning helped your advanced timing?

Curious to see how long you will stay with a "consevative" tune :p:

8K should be fine.....

I need to go to the dyno again soon.

PS: love the torque curve.

what vacuum line is that? I dont have it. Is it the one that goes to the jet air thingy?
If so then thats the reason as I removed mine.
If you have the jet air still in there--worm clamp that bastard! It can blow off
That had to be a pretty big vacuum leak......?
Glad you found it---want to sell that new o2 sensor....? lol. I will buy it for preventive maintainance.

It is the jet air, in case anyone else cared to know

How kool is that OD, looking good. After seeing your dyno sheet I am happier than ever with my tune. A 4th gear pull from 2500 to 7500, 2007 6spd auto. Max hp 235 Max tq 183. At the start of the pull
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Can't wait to hear how your trip to the track went.

I am sure you are enjoying that boosted feeling again. Congratulations OD look forward to your report after your track day.

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hope that came through ok.
interesting dyno---huh
remember this is on 7psi only

The blue line is with water meth on using one 175cc nozzle post blower
the green line is back in 2006 when we first started identifying ignition coil problems---all four of mine where very bad!

I'm really intrigued by your dyno OD . With the water/meth on there was no blip as the apvs opened yet with it off there is a huge blip . There is more to this than just opening rpm ...


If you said the W/M is turned on at the exact same moment as the apvs open then it could be explained - possibly .

i know Brettus-- the water meth was on a maf voltage of 2.5 with progression to max at 5 volts. It's funny also that the a/f's did not change--not injecting enough to do that i guess with a single 175 cc injector post blower?
50/50 water meth solution used.
I think my engine "breaths" pretty good:)
and like I said--no boost drop.
The a/f's during that transition are ok--no lean spots--they change by 0.1 or 0.2.
I have been saying that the lim could use some work............ anyway thats my story and i am sticking to it.

Nice OD, glad to hear things went well.

Very interesting OD. I discussed that lil spike with Kan during tuning and after and opted not to change injector latency to lessen it and make the a/f richer. I do like how adding the w/m made a flatter line even tho with a little less hp and tq. I have the same setup for w/m injection and intend to go with 3.5 to 5.0 open with 175, 50/50 mix pre blower.
I read about your cleaning up the blower from colored additives and looked around. Devils Own mix is clear 50/50 so I have purchased that.
The plot thickens.

i have gotten to where i really dont like a pre blower nozzle. W/M vapor doesnt like to make turns and injecting pre blower it has to make a LOT of turns plus make it through the a/w intercooler. It is going to pool if you inject pre blower--i have no doubts on that. Since we are not tuning for it i dont know if that matters or not--- but I dont like it. The intake charge needs to be consistant. W/m will take space within the intake charge amount.I want it ot be a consistant percentage and if it is pooling there is no way that will be. Just my 2 cents?
Juan has said he hasnt had any buildup mixing his own --seems like maybe the Snows Boost Juice is the one that will leave residue in the a/w intercooler? IDK.
But, for now I am going to inject only post blower.
I have cool air getting to the blower and I am not wanting more boost so I should be OK.

Juan has said he hasnt had any buildup mixing his own

That's right...no buildup at all. BTW, I use VP Racing M-5 and my mix is 25/25 Methanol/Water :eyetwitch

Whats the other 50 % ;)

Whats the other 50 % ;)


was scratching my head over that one as well

VP recommends using M1 for injection rather than M3 or M5

http://www.vpracingfuels.com/index.html?Action=Question&ID=1997

He probably meant 25/75




.

VP recommends using M1 for injection rather than M3 or M5

http://www.vpracingfuels.com/index.html?Action=Question&ID=1997

He probably meant 25/75




.

Oops, sorry. Yes 25/75 and thanks for the VP info. I'll keep that in mind. However, we don't run turbos and very unlikely that combustion will happen between the blower and the LIM. Anyway, I'm on my third 5 gallon pail of M5 and never had a issue with it but will switch to M1 once I'm done with the M5. :eyetwitch

Whats the other 50 % ;)

Hot Air :rofl:

Hot Air :rofl:

Never been any of that in here.

Did ya get an accessport yet juan?

Oops, sorry. Yes 25/75 and thanks for the VP info. I'll keep that in mind. However, we don't run turbos and very unlikely that combustion will happen between the blower and the LIM. Anyway, I'm on my third 5 gallon pail of M5 and never had a issue with it but will switch to M1 once I'm done with the M5. :eyetwitch

I'd be more concerned that you're mixing hydrocarbon and combustion agents with water, which it was never designed for. It is also known to be extremely hard on alcohol pump seals since they weren't originally designed for contacting those types of additives either.

Not feeling any road atlanta love in here Denny? :)

Whats the other 50 methane!% ;)

Don't tell me someone else is playing with Nitromethane...

Never been any of that in here.

Did ya get an accessport yet juan?

Should be here tomorrow :eyetwitch

I'm here.
Road Atlanta w/e is now past history.
400 drivers at the event---FOUR HUNDRED!
They had one no point race ( end of season) childrens charity race in which there were over 100 cars on the track at the same time. 3 deep going under the bridge done to turn 12. It was a really fun race to watch.
No real major events--a few offs--no one to the hospital etc. People where driving clean and fast.
The weather was perfect for record breaking with ambient temps at a high of 65F--humidity in the 70% range. The first session out in the morning ( my group wouldnt you know) had to warm the track up a little for the rest of the guys. It was a little slick that first session. But even with 2 groups combined ( 1st session only) which meant approx 80 cars on track---no events. People for the most part played nice.
LOTS of blazingly fast cars--GT3's, the bad corvettes, Mustang Boss's with independant rear suspensions--thats right:), daytona coupes, lotust super 7 turbo's--Lotus with honda transplant and boosted, several ls2 v/8 rx7's, GTR's, gran am GTO's an older model Toyota Celica rear wheel drive with some type of engine transplant that was hauling ass( i mean FAST) etc etc.
We had 6 Rx8's on track. No one had any issues.
My car did VERY well. The driver was rusty--big time and I was overslowing for turn in way too much and I was having trouble remembering the line for the blind turn in after going under the bridge/turn 12.
It did get better. My friend Don road with me once and helped me with it.
Not a single misfire, engine temps lower than they had ever been (less power i guess) as i never broke 195 on a 65F day!! That has never happened. AND my redline is now 8.2 K instead of the 7.5. My car really likes the upper rpms now. I was still getting my previous tune speed--135mph was normal (6th gear) and I could have gotten 140 I am sure by upping the redline to 8.5K and driving it a little harder. But actually i got over trying to get the fastest long straight speed and just was concentrating on turns in's and getting my line back. So on that long back straight I usually backed off a little I would redline in 4th, then slow shift to 5th and only used 1/2 throttle , then short shift to 6th and crused in at 120mph or so. That was really a good thing for me to do.
My basic track set up ( winter time)
no secondary radiator.
coolant 50/50 antifreeze/water
mazmart water pump and 180 thermostat.
flex a lite variable speed dual fan controller ( i think this really made a difference)
water methanol with only a 60 cc nozzle post blower. (only used 1/4 gal of w/m per 20 min session. activated at maf volts of 3 and progresses to 5v )
torco fuel ocatne booster added 16 oz's to 10 gallons of 93 shell gas ( 10% entanol)+approx 96-98 octane---it WORKS.
only 1/2 oz per gallon pre mix. I used Cam's pre mix.
engine coolant temps never got over 195F--oil temps 210-215.!!!!!!!!!
I am running 0-40 Mobile one.
The torco fuel additive did not leave a residue as many have reported . Maybe the small amout of water meth washed it away?
My air water intercooler--coolant temps---GET THIS--never over 80-85 F on ambient of 65F.
Morning sessions in which the temps where in the 40's--the coolant never got over 68F!
The a/w coolant temps by history ( when I had a pretty good intake temp gauge) reflect about 20F degrees cooler than the actual charge temp post blower( before the w/m nozzle).
So if i have a coolant temp of 80 the air in the manifold is 100F for example.
I do have an upgraded and large a/w coolant radiator--it has really helped with charge temps.

All in all--a really great w/e.
My car is a hell of a lot faster than it's driver:)
I do really like the tune.

Wow thats even more cars than they had last year.
Just be glad the track wasn't frozen for the first session like it was last year. Several wrecks each morning :icon_no2:
Can't believe your temps stayed that low. I'm currently working on getting mine lowered.
Glad the weekend went smoothly.

I'm here.
Road Atlanta w/e is now past history.

All in all--a really great w/e.
My car is a hell of a lot faster than it's driver:)
I do really like the tune.

Very Nicez Denny :eyetwitch

Sounds like one heck of an event, great to hear your machine is running tip top.

me too-- i was a little gun shy to start with.
thanks guys--i wish yall could have been there--it was a big bash.

Good to see things went well in your first track day after the rebuild.

i will probably get flamed for this --but there is a reason i didnt tune for max power until the apv opens. I have become very gunshy of detonation and I am taking whatever measures i can reasonabily take to prevent it.
I thought that reducing load during the crossover (5K-6K rpms) point may help to prevent the dreaded "D". I may be wrong about that, but I made a decision to try it.So I left much of my beloved under the curve power on the table.
Above 6.2 K it really comes on.
Engine was flawless this w/e---maybe this will be of help, maybe I am fooling myself, IDK.
When I tuned I and no one else was expected THAT MUCH jump when the apv's opened. We didnt tune for it--it just happened. We left it alone.
I have worked on the lim apv runners by trumphet shapeing and decreasing the short side radius of the runners curve, I also worked on the apv barrells--but you have to be careful with them. remember there is no fuel through those runners so you dont have to worry about fuel separation etc--just shoot for velocity. especially in the rear rotor.
I am sure there will be opinions about this.

you are running me low on :facepalm:'s

OD

Got this off the snow performance web site, Somewhere.

Pre- or Post- Supercharger/Turbocharger?

• Centrifugal/Turbo: (Procharger, Vortech, Paxton, Powerdyne, Rotrex, etc.) Never mount an injector nozzle before a centrifugal supercharger or turbocharger compressor. Sending fluid through the compressor wheel that spins anywhere from 50,000rpm to 250,000rpm can erode the leading edges of the fine aluminum, as well as serve to reduce the atomization. Instead of a fine mist, the compressor housing will create a river of fluid along the outside wall that means we get less benefit and use more fluid.
• Positive Displacement Supercharger: Roots style (B&M, Eaton, Magnuson, etc.) or twin screw (Lysholm, Kenne Bell, Whipple, etc.) Mounting the nozzle before this style of blower is perfectly safe and actually provides some additional benefits. The small amount of water-methanol fluid isn’t harmful to any rotor seals or surfaces or coatings, and it helps to seal the clearances and condense the air some more, resulting in a more efficient output. Additionally, it keeps the rotors and housing MUCH cooler, which reduces heat transfer to the rest of the intake and air charge.

I'll keep reading and looking. Yall here haven't led me astray yet. Well maybe 10k in mods :)

the problem as I see it concerning a pre blower water meth nozzle is the turn the air has to make coming out of the blower and the a/w intercooler the vapor has to go through immediatly after. No doubt it is good for the blower as it cools it, but since I am running the low boost pulley my blower rpms are no where near max and it's heat shouldnt be a problem?
The 60ml nozzle post blower performed well at Road Atlanta.
I am paying more attention to the fuel octane and just using the w/m for charge cooling. Charge cooling doesnt take much to work with my low boost set up.
Get this too-- on track i only used 1/2 oz/gal of pre mix. Too much oil in the combustion chamber also increases risk of detonation. RB studies showed that at 1oz per gallon the engine had more h/p by a small amount. Now my reasoning tells me if that is enough to help seal the combustion chambers then there is some oil in the combustion chamber being left over? If there is then detonation is more likely. So I backed off to 1/2 oz. I couldnt tell any difference lol. Tail pipes maybe a tad cleaner.
Backing off w/m amount and pre mix amount--paying serious attention to octane/fuel quality.
Thats my plan.

Look what I have on the way......
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I must have been a very good boy this year.

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sorry guys I couldnt help myself

Yall should hear the details..........

Very Nice!
R1 front lip and call it a day!

WOW looks Great Denny cant wait to hear the details.

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sorry guys I couldn't help myself

Yall should hear the details..........
So, is a blower or turbo the next addition? LOL

:naughty::naughty::naughty::naughty::naughty:

Doesnt need it:)
Texas Speed built long block with approx 500hp to the wheels and a whole bunch of Tq.
T56 built trans. 3.90 diff
Drivetrain has approx 6K on it.
The insides is just as nice as the outside
wgt with 180lb driver is aprox 2900.
I will probably be adding a restrictor to it to get it down to the mid 400's and if I do track it --a lot of work has to be done in the oil supply area plus I would actually need to swap out the cam.
Good problems to have.

Great Scott!

well deal is off---dont ask. My life sucks.

well deal is off---dont ask. My life sucks.

Possibly a message from your guardian angel?

Other than the std Everest answer ('bacause it's there'), I've never understood the desire to stick a V-8 into an RX. Chevy has already done a good job of building a great car around a small block; the RX-7 version is called a Corvette.

Guess you're stuck with us a while longer ... :naughty:

well deal is off---dont ask. My life sucks.

you obviously aren't happy when it doesn't, you no sooner finally got your RX8 half-way straightened out and then you want to bail, not sure if I should lol or wtf ...

Probably should bite the bullet and just get a diasio, haha. That's what the rotor gods wanted in the first place. Kids all gather round for a story. I was working on something at Cams oneday and a kid rolled in with a rx7 with a ls1 motor swap. It looked pretty good. The guy was saying he had it up to 160 on 95the and that he just bought it a few days ago and wanted to bring it in. Well he hung around for a few days when it was time for him to go back were he came from he was pulling out of the parking lot and his steering went out. Seems whoever put the car together didn't put the shaft from the steering wheel to the rack properly. It was only on a 1/4 inch and they never removed the bolt to allow the shaft to go all the way were it was supposed to be. Just saying you never now what corners were cut when someone does a project like that.

Denny, have you ever looked at these intercooler foggers? The kits run an aluminum tube around the intercooler radiator and will either manually or at a temp dependent point discharge CO2 around the fins of the radiator. It's like nos in that you have to keep a botle full of CO2 somewhere, but may give an extra margin of cooling on those Hotlanta Summer Track Days....

I dont have a problem with intake charge temps--even in the souths summer heat--since I installed a cooler for the water with a much larger face front.

hey guys where'd you get that metal undertray again? Thanks!

You mean the one under the intake?
Mine is BHR's---worth every penny--damn well made and really sets that area off when you open the hood.

mine is BHR as well
gives a very clean look

well deal is off---dont ask. My life sucks.

Denny…my two cents.

A mazda rotary car with no rotary engine equates to a mazda rotary car with no soul. Every time I come across one of those rotary engine to piston engine swaps the first thing that comes to mind is (engineering mind gave up and now duct tape to fix it). The same goes when I come across a ford/chevy/dodge utilizing the wrong manufacturer engine. I have come across plenty of 2nd and 3rd gen DD Turbo RX7s with @ 500 rwhp very street easy driven (sleepers). You will not know cuz the engines are street ported. You don’t need to shoehorn a 350+ cu inch piston engine when a blown 80 cu inch rotary can easily do the same job.

Rotary Power…Period :eyetwitch

BTW, that was a blown 13B 80 cu in rotary engine.

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When I tuned I and no one else was expected THAT MUCH jump when the apv's opened. We didnt tune for it--it just happened. We left it alone.
.

Hey OD - , I recently came across the same thing . Turned out the SSV was not opening .

Well
There is my legendary freind from back in the early 70's, blew the engine in his mustang did a major upgrade and installed an engine out of a wrecked cuda.

So was born " The hemi cuda mustang" and boy howdy did it rock. ")

After the winter break, I'm getting the yellow peril ready for 2012. Tweaked a few hoses etc and tightened up the belts for the first proper run, as last year I left everything a little on the "low side" as part of the shake down....

With the new Pettit motor and the Pettit full exhaust its SWEEET!

8.6 psi boost, and 352 g/s air flow by 8400 rpm.
I made 210 g/s at only 5400 rpm.

Next step is to try and better address track cooling stuff......

Did I hear someone say "cooling"----lol. Ask me, ask me!

SSV not openging? Hmmmm--no codes saying its not--but it never hurts to check.

i was waiting for you to respond OD :)

Hey OD - , I recently came across the same thing . Turned out the SSV was not opening .

This is becoming a somewhat common problem with the earlier models as the diaphragms are drying up and the springs are getting nasty and fouled up (for some reason). If there is not absolutely smooth action of the SSV diaphragm "motor"/unit it seems prone to causing issues.

Somebody probably already asked this and got an answer. I am going to ask again because I really dont want to go threw 374 pages of forum to find out. How do you guys like the pettit supercharger? what kind of performance gains are we talking about. They claim 275-300 hp. Id rather hear about your experiences and your opinions on the pro's and con's.

Somebody probably already asked this and got an answer. I am going to ask again because I really dont want to go threw 374 pages of forum to find out. How do you guys like the pettit supercharger? what kind of performance gains are we talking about. They claim 275-300 hp. Id rather hear about your experiences and your opinions on the pro's and con's.


You don't want to read up on a possible $7,000.00 + investment? That's smart.

this thread has all the answers to your question
just be smart and take the time to read it

^ +1

we all did it.

.......

You don't want to read up on possible $7,000.00 + investment? That's smart.
no i dont want to read through 350+ pages when all i have to do is ask a question.

no i dont want to read through 350+ pages when all i have to do is ask a question.



Yeah well you see how far you have gotten with your questions so far huh? :rolleyes: Another noob who wants to be spoon fed, big surprise.

Yeah well you see how far you have gotten with your questions so far huh? :rolleyes: Another noob who wants to be spoon fed, big surprise.
A valid point. Tho for the last part of being spoon fed. I wouldn't agree. Especially since I have been on this forum looking for specs opinions and information for days and all I seem to find is people talking about having a bbq or who on the forum actually has a super charger from pettit. I don't see how it is unreasonable to give a quick simple opinion on the product you bought. Especially when in the amount of time it took you to flame me you could have given a simple "hey its great ive had it for so long and i saw a 70hp gain I highly recommend it.

A valid point. Tho for the last part of being spoon fed. I wouldn't agree. Especially since I have been on this forum looking for specs opinions and information for days and all I seem to find is people talking about having a bbq or who on the forum actually has a super charger from pettit. I don't see how it is unreasonable to give a quick simple opinion on the product you bought. Especially when in the amount of time it took you to flame me you could have given a simple "hey its great ive had it for so long and i saw a 70hp gain I highly recommend it.

All you find is people talking about having a BBQ?

In the time it took you to make your posts you could have skimmed through several pages of this thread and found the data you seek. Or you could have just called Pettit and gotten the scoupe............

but if you're even going to consider it you should do some serious research first
other people's opinions don't matter and could even lead you down the wrong path

me wants mo-powa, feeeed meeeeeee ....

Its worth it. Like any FI package you have to do more that just purchase the kit and install. Supporting mods have to be done--but it really transforms the car.

I checked the mechanical movement of my ssv last night ( gets dark at 6pm now--i hate it) during the 40mph wind gusts we were having. The action was smooth. The vacuum lines where intact. So now I will just have to check the signal. I am letting the wind die down first

Thanks Ray--didnt think of that. I will.

Why did you have to take it off?

To verify that the SSV is working all you do is :

start the car
have someone turn it off while you watch the SSV actuator
It will do a test actuation .
No test actuation =no worky . Action of the valve is a quick on/off without any hesitation or jerking .


an even better way is to do two logs :
one with SSV connected
one with ssv disconnected

You should clearly see a difference in MAF (starting around 4000rpm) between the two logs .
No difference = no worky .

at the risk of fueling the flames of supercharger fanboi hatred, the cons are that small displacement, high rpm engines and superchargers do not a good couple make. First, the supposed lowend boost of an SC setup is totally false, it is just the opposite with today's turbo technology. Second, for the same engine stress level that you make an extra 70 HP on a Renesis with an SC equates to about an extra 110 HP with a turbo setup because of the power drain required to spin the SC at high speed. Further, with a high rpm engine then the higher you spin the engine the more power eaten up by the SC and in turn the more stress load that is placed on the engine for any given power increase at the rear wheels. The higher stress load is not just on the engine, but also all the supporting equipment such as radiator, oil coolers, exhaust sizing etc. They are also a lot harder to keep quiet since there is nothing damping the sound level coming directly out of the engine unimpeded into a high flow exhaust system.

The pro is that you can't just turn up the boost at the twist of a knob, which is where most turbo owners discover their destiny to fail.

lol----tell us something we dont know. So my 292 rwhp at 7 psi boost would be 332 with a turbo?
Woohoo!
With the damage I have caused with my simple constant boost sc kit --just think of all the stuff i could have done with a turbo set up with all those controls!
All joking aside--turbos get more power to the rear wheels-everything being equal package wise. No argument here.
Oh--is the turbo guaranteed for 100K miles?

sounds great!
till you have to tune it :sad:

WELL GUESS THE HELL WHAT!????
My SSV was NOT working. Good call Brettus. I owe you one.

Ok I trouble shot the thing and I found that the vacuum canister solenoid was not working--actually one of the last things I expected. So being I had two more available on that canister ( no vdi etc) i used another and it works fine now.
Yes----- my under the curve power has come back, my a/f's really seem unaffected after a couple of drive cycles but I didnt go over 7K and with only about 40% throttle. I did not want to put any high load on the engine since I only have pump gas in it.
I will check the trims and drop Steve Kan a line.
It never threw a ssv code at all--never.
I do get the p2004 at times, but that must be from the pcm seeing a little higher voltage as the valves work well and the checks are normal?
Thanks again guys!

Acter all this time you still don't know that it only throws a code for being stuck open?

what--you forgot the po661 and po 662 codes?

Did you find out all this info from your experiences? I haven't heard of any blower vs turbo racing, id imagine at the 1/4 but not on a track. Denny, you been on the track with any turbo 8s??

no sir. I dont know of any in Ga. A couple of years ago a fellow came up from Florida and ran at Roebling Road. But, he had problems and didnt perform well.

what--you forgot the po661 and po 662 codes?

apparently a miscommunication since you stated SSV code, not SSV solenoid circuit code

did you actually remove and test the original solenoid valve using Jon's DIY procedure?

yessir I did. The solenoid on the vaccum chamber itself was not working. The valve itself is fine--hold vacuum without a problem, smooth action and the self check event is working great.
I didnt do an airflow study as my seat of the pants diagnosed that. It was obvious.

at the risk of fueling the flames of supercharger fanboi hatred, the cons are that small displacement, high rpm engines and superchargers do not a good couple make. First, the supposed lowend boost of an SC setup is totally false, it is just the opposite with today's turbo technology. Second, for the same engine stress level that you make an extra 70 HP on a Renesis with an SC equates to about an extra 110 HP with a turbo setup because of the power drain required to spin the SC at high speed. Further, with a high rpm engine then the higher you spin the engine the more power eaten up by the SC and in turn the more stress load that is placed on the engine for any given power increase at the rear wheels. The higher stress load is not just on the engine, but also all the supporting equipment such as radiator, oil coolers, exhaust sizing etc. They are also a lot harder to keep quiet since there is nothing damping the sound level coming directly out of the engine unimpeded into a high flow exhaust system.

The pro is that you can't just turn up the boost at the twist of a knob, which is where most turbo owners discover their destiny to fail.

:rofl::yelrotflm:lol::lol2::bsmeter:

at the risk of fueling the flames of supercharger fanboi hatred, the cons are that small displacement, high rpm engines and superchargers do not a good couple make. First, the supposed lowend boost of an SC setup is totally false, it is just the opposite with today's turbo technology. Second, for the same engine stress level that you make an extra 70 HP on a Renesis with an SC equates to about an extra 110 HP with a turbo setup because of the power drain required to spin the SC at high speed. Further, with a high rpm engine then the higher you spin the engine the more power eaten up by the SC and in turn the more stress load that is placed on the engine for any given power increase at the rear wheels. The higher stress load is not just on the engine, but also all the supporting equipment such as radiator, oil coolers, exhaust sizing etc. They are also a lot harder to keep quiet since there is nothing damping the sound level coming directly out of the engine unimpeded into a high flow exhaust system.

Quoted for posterity and truth.

The pro is that you can't just turn up the boost at the twist of a knob, which is where most turbo owners discover their destiny to fail.

Tuning and proper setup of the fuel system actually does mitigate this to a point. At least, you can go to 11, which is one more louder than 10.

you know --one thing that kinda interests me is why are there not bigger differences between the rwhp of a sc set up versus a turbo set up with approx the same amount of air flow? Now i realize it is hard, if not impossible, to get an apple to apple comparason but shouldnt there be at least some basic simalarities?
I mean if both systems are showing 365g/sec air flow for example and all other " predictors" of power are in the same ballpark---why isnt the rwhp much greater for the turbo? If the SC is a 40 hp parasite then why arent more turbo's showing 330-340 rwhp numbers?
Turbos ARE showing a good deal more TQ numbers but as expected the Tq band is different.

Just an honest question---no turbo/sc war meant.

you know --one thing that kinda interests me is why are there not bigger differences between the rwhp of a sc set up versus a turbo set up with approx the same amount of air flow?

Back-to-back, the differences are exactly as stated - The turbo cars at similar airflow are showing about 40 more horsepower on the same day and on the same dyno.

At ~380g/sec, the SC cars put down about 260 - 280 HP while the TC cars make 300 - 320 on medium-sized turbos.
The torque curve isn't really even comparable.

The torque curve isn't really even comparable.

A turbo is free to spool up as the dynamics of the system allow it to, but the SC is directly tied to the engine rpm change. So the SC is only capable of linear output relative to the engine spinning up. Hou can see the difference in the dyno graphs

Your not going to see an output like this with a SC

http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/8297/thompsondyno.jpg

Your not going to see an output like this with a SC

http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/8297/thompsondyno.jpg

I'm surprised there aren't a few splotches on that dyno sheet after the number of times you have made love to it .


But yeah - the only way a SC'd owner would appreciate the difference is from hopping from a SC car to a well sorted (not that many around) turbo car of the same whp.

I'm surprised there aren't a few splotches on that dyno sheet after the number of times you have made love to it .

it simply fit the moment, but having seen it in action an RX-8 with that output would leave you sitting in it's tire dust with your tiny, deflated pud in your hand :lol:

it simply fit the moment, but having seen it in action an RX-8 with that output would leave you sitting in it's tire dust with your tiny, deflated pud in your hand :lol:

I would like to see you replicate that in an 8 - then you really will have something to jizz about.

I prefer this one :)

Wish I could find the later dyno too, its up another 25 ft lbs everywhere with 2 more psi...

that's a good one too :) though I prefer the stronger low end and don't need that much top end

Brettus, I can live with that, sounds like its been a while since you last had one :eyetwitch

all about efficiency I guess?

I didnt do an airflow study as my seat of the pants diagnosed that. It was obvious.

I'm dure that makes much more sense than logging and traacking actual event data ....

if the question is answered then further analysis is non productive.
I am too old to waste time---thats for you young folks.:)
At some point I would like to do another dyno.
At this point my tuner says if the a/f's remain ok then I should be good--i dont have any lean spikes that I can see--got lucky I guess.
But I sure am keeping an eye on it.

Meanwhile has anyone wired up a fuel pressure switch to cut the pump if the pressure drops too low?
And what is too low? Would than be a car specific thing? I would think so? I am thinking that if it drops below 53psi or so that would be time to cut the pump off?
Any advance from anyone?

Just got my pack of hose candy it---it is a really a neat good looking concept

Meanwhile has anyone wired up a fuel pressure switch to cut the pump if the pressure drops too low?

Why would you want to do that?
If you were going lean from the pump pressure dropping, cutting the pump at that instant will just cause immediate detonation.

On my setup, if the fuel pressure drops below 48 PSI, my boost controller dumps my wastegate.
What you guys need is a controller that opens your bypass under similar situations.

I should gave known better than to have cared or tried ...

Ok I will bite---what is the purpose of an airflow study when the question is whether the ssv is opening? If it was confirmed that it wasnt opening and then after repair it was confirmed that it was--then what is an airflow log going to show ( other than obvious differences in flow) that will be useful?
If the a/f's are still with in target what good would that data be? If the overall system is compensating for this change and the trims are not too high then what else to I need to do?
How do you determine that a retune is needed?

MM --- duhhhh-- I wasnt thinking---you are right.
I dont know how the bypass could be set up like that?
Could you do an ignition cut?

I should gave known better than to have cared or tried ...

Don't be so hard on yourself. Your dead right. Its just that there are some of us who prefer...scratch that...want a supercharger, even recognizing all the turbo advantages you just quoted.

So here we are, on a forum for RX8s, arguably not everyman's cuppa tea and as ill understood by the general public as quantum mechanics, and further splitting the event horizon by arguing different forced induction modalities. Wait until we start talking about which metal is best suited for the fasteners (Unobtainium, of course :naughty:).

The grass is green, the sun is shining, and the long ribbon of asphalt awaits :Peace:

Ok I will bite---what is the purpose of an airflow study when the question is whether the ssv is opening? If it was confirmed that it wasnt opening and then after repair it was confirmed that it was--then what is an airflow log going to show ( other than obvious differences in flow) that will be useful?
If the a/f's are still with in target what good would that data be? If the overall system is compensating for this change and the trims are not too high then what else to I need to do?
How do you determine that a retune is needed?


OD - the N/A car i was dealing with that had a non-functioning SSV was running extremely rich and it leaned out considerably once the SSV was fixed.

I wasn't referring to the SC vs TC debate, but either situation isn't worth any more of my time.

I wasn't referring to the SC vs TC debate, but either situation isn't worth any more of my time.

Beat that horse

Team you never answered me?

Thanks Brettus once I discovered that it wasnt working I was really careful in running it--keeping a close eye on my lc 1 innovate wide band readings during the transition time. I did notice a slight change as I now have a very small/short, leaner period when the valve opens.
I really dont understand why the a/f's havent changed more?
Its been raining all day--tomorrow I am going to add some torco to the gas and do some careful logging.

I got the "hose candy" installed and it does look good.

I really dont understand why the a/f's havent changed more?
.

yeah - that is different to what I saw for sure - but this was an NA tune ...... could be to do with the way max calc. load has been set up on yours (just a wild guess).

i well let everyone know what i get.
cant get into high load high rpm 4 th gear around here--so i will have to be satisfied with 2nd and 3nd gear pulls.

here is my answer;

I wasn't referring to the SC vs TC debate, but either situation isn't worth any more of my time.

I give up, you are not worth the aggravation :mchase:

couldnt do a log today either--- still raining--light mist out and NO traction.

couldnt do a log today either--- still raining--light mist out and NO traction.

That makes interesting logs.

i think my intake valves are working ok now.
quick short run in second gear:

rpm 7410
injector duty cycle 91.4
STFT minus 0.16
Load 163.07
ltft minus 2.5
Maf 318.76
IAT 91.4
Throttle position 65.91 ( i need a heavier foot)
lead ignition timing 13.5
yes the air flow was smooth and linear .
I wish I knew how to get the data into a graph form.

The numbers do not represent the performance in my opinion
looking at the graph it took me 1.05 secs to go from 41.01 mph to 55.92 mph in 2nd gear ( 09 trans with 04 diff--oem size tires).

spoon feed me!

is someone making a semi or complete turbo kit that works? just getting caught up. :)

and yes, really i have been away for a long while. but i have read this whole thread.

team? your a mod now? really?

you look nice, have you lost weight? ;)

denny, wow. just wow.

juan, we live so close.. i have not watched the videos yet. been reading 70 pages of catch up. btw, dont cut the red wire! water blast the bitch..


beers :beer:

at the risk of fueling the flames of supercharger fanboi hatred, the cons are that small displacement, high rpm engines and superchargers do not a good couple make. First, the supposed lowend boost of an SC setup is totally false, it is just the opposite with today's turbo technology. Second, for the same engine stress level that you make an extra 70 HP on a Renesis with an SC equates to about an extra 110 HP with a turbo setup because of the power drain required to spin the SC at high speed. Further, with a high rpm engine then the higher you spin the engine the more power eaten up by the SC and in turn the more stress load that is placed on the engine for any given power increase at the rear wheels. The higher stress load is not just on the engine, but also all the supporting equipment such as radiator, oil coolers, exhaust sizing etc. They are also a lot harder to keep quiet since there is nothing damping the sound level coming directly out of the engine unimpeded into a high flow exhaust system.

The pro is that you can't just turn up the boost at the twist of a knob, which is where most turbo owners discover their destiny to fail.

spoon feed me!

is someone making a semi or complete turbo kit that works? just getting caught up. :)

and yes, really i have been away for a long while. but i have read this whole thread.

team? your a mod now? really?

you look nice, have you lost weight? ;)

denny, wow. just wow.

juan, we live so close.. i have not watched the videos yet. been reading 70 pages of catch up. btw, dont cut the red wire! water blast the bitch..


beers :beer:

Hey Swoope . What's this ? Asking about turbo kits in a SC thread ?

Nothing much has changed since you were here last - but check out the Turblown top mount thread . IMO the best solution has always and will always be to by a used Greddy kit off some idiot who f'd up their install and do it properly the 2nd time around.

Hey Swoope . What's this ? Asking about turbo kits in a SC thread ?

Nothing much has changed since you were here last - but check out the Turblown top mount thread . IMO the best solution has always and will always be to by a used Greddy kit off some idiot who f'd up their install and do it properly the 2nd time around.

thanks for that..

funny, shipping parts cheap to nz. kinda pays off.. :)

seems i have been gone semi long time, tubo kinda plug and play does not exist. guessing pettit might still be making stuff.

my ms3 is going away soon.. my rx8 has just been sitting under a car cover.. WAITING!

hymee?

tell you what i would like.. stuff a 09 tranny in my car. with something that makes about 325hp to the wheel.

how hard is that. btw, i missed my first friday before the rolex sports car race in 9 years..

weather. everyone at the 24, enjoy!!

beers :beer:

hymee?

tell you what i would like.. stuff a 09 tranny in my car. with something that makes about 325hp to the wheel.

Who would do something like that? :) You just missed outon a Hymee kit for sale stateside... still dont know who the other lucky person is.

just installed a new front o2 sensor. My old one was just old--seemed to be functioning well, tuner tuned with it and said it was fine, BUT after the install my closed running was different. Warm up transition is smoother, recovery from decel is MUCH better ( like oem everytime), just seems to be more responsive in closed loop. I hate subjective "findings" but there was a noticeable difference that I cant prove. Anyway--just posting just in case anyone ever wondered..

YALL SHOULD SEE WHAT CAM (Pettit Racing) and others are soon to release!
Oh my dear GOD!!!

YALL SHOULD SEE WHAT CAM (Pettit Racing) and others are soon to release!
Oh my dear GOD!!!
do tell! :D:

Waiting permission to post about it.

Eagerly waiting...
Waiting permission to post about it.

+1!

Just spoke with Cam at Pettit.
Cant post about this yet---states it would just generate too many questions etc.
But he did say--- stay in touch with their web site.
This may not be what some people expect--but man is it sweet!

now youre just teasing us Denny :wallbash:

hmmmmmm cant wait to see.

Ok - we need to start guessing


Is it ..............................................


A 13BREW swap kit ?

that exhaust they been working on?

nah that exhaust has been out

well color me blind

Keep the guessing going :)

Is is.................................









A LS swap kit

a jackal, a jackal, its it a jackal, jackal, a jackal?

http://kikichaos.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/jackal1.jpg

It's a ... It's a

Peruvian naval vessel on manoeuvres in the south pacific ?

Gasp... a turbo kit!

^^^ gasp...blasphemy
:icon_no2:

Not even close!

a keychain

Boy yall sure are gullible! Lol!
OD

Boy yall sure are gullible! Lol!
OD

damn, i was looking in the website if they have a project, but nothing ....:suspect:

steven

yep nothing on their news or events

How are you all doing? Although I still miss my 8, I finally went out and got it's replacement. I pick it up today!

hey man
good choice :bigok:
loving the 8 btw...drove it yesterday actually
i appreciate it more and more everyday
hope youre doing well

No you didnt!
is that the 2013?
Mustang is coming out with the new 200mph supercharged 650+ hp monster.
Its getting ridiculus.
Beautiful color choice and loving the hood. Stillin?
Myself-- I would love to have a Boss---just for it's engine and drivetrain.

wow, thats an angry looking stang!
It has Shelby Cobras all over it, so Im guessin Shelby?

Shelby GT500 from the looks but is it the Super Snake?

my car is going great once everything has been retightened and checked for 2012. I cant wait to get it on track.

With the Pettit exhaust and Pettit engine, I'm flowing awesome, with more power and a good 600 RPM drop to get equivalent power (if you see what I mean).
I was getting 210 g/s at about 6k rpm before, now I hitting it at about 5400!

well since my tuning was with the ssv ( unknowingly) closed I am asking Steve if I need to retune.
My a/f's seem fine and I havent really noticed a change in them BUT the stft's can be up to a +20. Injectors at wot are at 91%. LTFT still -2.5.
So to be safe and sure I going to have the expert look at it again.
292 rwhp with the ssv closed and boost at 7-8 aint bad! Wonder what it will be now?

Ok, heres something for those turbo over SC guys to chew on. My baby has grown up.

http://www.thespec.com/sports/local/article/588819--ancaster-entry-smashes-record-at-national-championships

Maybe you should explain why you think that is relevant to the subject so that we can point out your flawed logic

and it's just like one of the most unknowledgable posters on this forum to flaunt something he can't reveal :rolleyes:

Maybe you should explain why you think that is relevant to the subject so that we can point out your flawed logic

and it's just like one of the most unknowledgable posters on this forum to flaunt something he can't reveal :rolleyes:

Ask and you shall recieve.

http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm205/doorcombo/RenensisTurboFailures.jpg

Maybe you should explain why you think that is relevant to the subject so that we can point out your flawed logic

and it's just like one of the most unknowledgable posters on this forum to flaunt something he can't reveal :rolleyes:

Have you seen anything close with a turbo kit???????????????????????????? Once again before you forget.

http://www.thespec.com/sports/local/article/588819--ancaster-entry-smashes-record-at-national-championships

Stop interrupting the adults when there speaking.

quick question for you supercharger guys.

IAT or EGT gauge preferred?

When I had my turbo I used EGT, it was consistent under boost showing any possible over-spooling or lean conditions.

what do you guys use or recommend?

How are you all doing? Although I still miss my 8, I finally went out and got it's replacement. I pick it up today!

they make it faster and faster...mustang is crazy.. love them..

quick question for you supercharger guys.

IAT or EGT gauge preferred?

When I had my turbo I used EGT, it was consistent under boost showing any possible over-spooling or lean conditions.

what do you guys use or recommend?

EGT is exhaust gas temp right? i have one...i don' t have iat..

steven

It's a 2012 GT500. with the '13s coming out soon, I was able to pick this up for 2500 under Xplan. It's stock in this picture but mods are on their way. It's got 550 at the crank. A smaller pulley and tune will add about 75-85 to the wheels. This thing is mean as hell! Just the sound when I start it gives me wood! Hanging out with one of the first to get the Pettit s/c tomorrow, vIce gRip (dan). Although I've moved on, I'll still lurk around every now and then so feel free to drop me a line, especially if you have a question about my past or current vehicle.

Damn Team---getting a little critical aren't you?

(and it's just like "one of the most unknowledgable posters on this forum" to flaunt something he can't reveal)

Oh well--back to the regular scheduled program.
Its great that the Pettit S/c kit is getting a little respect!
jskup1--that is one mean ass car dude. You know the 2013 has a better a/w intercooler and pump. They upped the a/w intercooler pump flow rate to 7 gallons per minute, so it will be an easy upgrade.
They do have a rep for heat soak---seems like that was addressed for the 2013 car.
Save up for back tires!!

__________________

Damn Team---getting a little critical aren't you?

I really think he is trying to beat out MM as the forums biggest Ass....

Idk????

Ask and you shall recieve.

http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm205/doorcombo/RenensisTurboFailures.jpg

That is funny.. I've never seen any of that.

Then again I don't use SUPER undersized turbine wheels/housings with extremely high backpressure/EGTS..

That's interesting, I have never seen that pic before.

No, you brag about how big the hp numbers are just before blowing up or how high boost pressure was before the hose blew off or post some video of a street car making noise but not looking all that fast. Plenty of people have their opinion about your modus operandi too.

I have a low tolerance for BS, if that makes me an ass then so be it, there certainly is no shortage here so that moniker seems only appropriate ...

The disasio stuff is way old btw ...

At least its a v8, the mustang v6 sound like shit no matter how much hp they put out, always have always will. Long live the pony.

Waiting permission to post about it.

i have a spare car if he needs it. is only 2hrs away.. :)

beers :beer:

^^^ Shhhhhhhhhhh!

Ok, heres something for those turbo over SC guys to chew on. My baby has grown up.

http://www.thespec.com/sports/local/article/588819--ancaster-entry-smashes-record-at-national-championships

Once again go to the link to see the only boosted option that has any results worth mentioning.

It's a 2012 GT500. with the '13s coming out soon, I was able to pick this up for 2500 under Xplan. It's stock in this picture but mods are on their way. It's got 550 at the crank. A smaller pulley and tune will add about 75-85 to the wheels. This thing is mean as hell! Just the sound when I start it gives me wood! Hanging out with one of the first to get the Pettit s/c tomorrow, vIce gRip (dan). Although I've moved on, I'll still lurk around every now and then so feel free to drop me a line, especially if you have a question about my past or current vehicle.

whats funny is the Shelby GT500 is probably going to be my next upgrade (or either a Z06)
maybe in a few years I'll buy this one from you too :lol:

Now that was funny slvrstreak!

Pettit should have a release in about 1 month. Ya'll will just have to wait:). Developing anticipation is a good form of marketing.


Turblown---I am sure a properly designed turbo system will work just fine--heck Pettit has them on the diaso. Its not a street driven/high milage application but the point is--a properly designed system that is properly installed and tuned will work ok. Too many turbo systems are not.
Problem seems to be a number of people just dont know how to design/install and tune one. It IS a more complicated system imho. But what do I know? I am the most unknowledgeable poster on the forum.

Maybe you should explain why you think that is relevant to the subject so that we can point out your flawed logic

and it's just like one of the most unknowledgable posters on this forum to flaunt something he can't reveal :rolleyes:

Sorry you consider everyone beneath you.

http://www.thespec.com/sports/local/article/588819--ancaster-entry-smashes-record-at-national-championships

Results count. Not your yap, Mr. Moody Sardonic etc.etc.etc.

Bitch.

this is in good fun (team dont hate me bro :lol: ). I found team driving through town

http://www.imcdb.org/i033696.jpg

no his front tag says H8TR :lol:

Being dragged back here by hoss-05. I just ran into him overseas. Debating whether I should consider thinking about possibly putting more money into the car.

I guess I was fortunate. I had the same capacitor wire break but did not detonate the engine. With mine I would loose all power including starting, the dash would light-up with every cel and two fuses would blow. We would change the fuses and it would run for several hours so it caused us to think that what ever the, problem it was fixed during the several changes that were made.

I kinda lost count but I think the s/c was removed at least 4 times looking for the problem. Erick and Ray found the break while doing checks on all the other wires in the harness (fourth time for the wire checks), but this time we also removed the covering. Hell we removed and checked just about every electrical connection in the car.

I did a routine compression check and both rotors are well within compression requirements.

Sorry to pull up such an old post, but I am catching up. Phil....which two fuses would blow?

You STOPPED putting money into the car? How--please tell me how?????
Heck I just installed a box of "hose Candy" vacuum line fittings.

I just read something funny in the new issue of Car and Driver Magazine. It was a test drive with the new Camarol ZL1 with the supercharged engine. The person in charge of making this car happen stated " We tried a turbo version on the engine first, but the car burned up before I had a chance to drive it!" He actually said that! Thats why they went with a supercharger.
It seems that superchargers are getting better and more and more developement is being done. Now straight cut gears, six lobes ( versus four), magnesium rotors, better bearings, water cooling, and different air intake designs are all being implemented. Sweet!
This magazine also had some info on the "Hot V" turbo set up that has been tried. That thing looks wicked! Exhaust and intake ports change position. The header/ turbo was in position where the intake used to be ( on a v/8 engine). I think BMW uses some of this design?
But bottom line is superchargers are starting to get more respect.

Being dragged back here by hoss-05. I just ran into him overseas. Debating whether I should consider thinking about possibly putting more money into the car.

:suspect:

where overseas?

You STOPPED putting money into the car? How--please tell me how?????
Heck I just installed a box of "hose Candy" vacuum line fittings.


But bottom line is superchargers are starting to get more respect.

I've been traveling for work for @ the last two years. Meanwhile my car has a silly electrical gremlin that I haven't taken the time to solve. This equation means my car hasn't been driven more than 10 miles in that time frame.

I don't think that superchargers need more respect. People that aren't retarded and/or don't feel the need to justify their time and money spent by bashing the efforts of others will allways feel good about their hobby.

I wouldn't trade any of the time I spent tinkering on the 8, nor would I ever want a turbo over a supercharger on this car.

where overseas?

Afghanistan

amen.
now yall come on home dammit!

Where at in afghanstan? I was in Kunduz last year

I work down south and can be found at a few different places at different times.

But bottom line is superchargers are starting to get more respect.

they always did have respect ..................................... on v8s

lol
yall look at the new thread i put in the tuning section and tell me if yall are seeing the same thing?

lol
yall look at the new thread i put in the tuning section and tell me if yall are seeing the same thing?


link?

as nothing new.

beers :beer:

Sorry to pull up such an old post, but I am catching up. Phil....which two fuses would blow?

Hell I already forgot......I'll ask Easy_1, with all the trouble he we to to find the fault I am sure he will remember.

i deleted the thread swoope. i had over 40 views and no comments. So I guess what I had observed was nothing.
Basically what i saw while looking at some ap logs was my alternator voltage went over 14 Volts ONLY after my fuel injectors were past a certain duty cycle. The fuel pump was already in its high speed mode before this occured. Injectors are not maxed out.
My hot alternator voltage is usually mid to high 13's which is OK. But during the observational period, it was a 14.2--14.4V range that NEVER occurs otherwise in my logs. I thought that was curious and also I thought it may be of some importance while tuning.
I was also wondering if this was happening to anyone else.

whats funny is the Shelby GT500 is probably going to be my next upgrade (or either a Z06)
maybe in a few years I'll buy this one from you too :lol:

Sweeeeet! You can have Dibs:)

I might add to the AIT / EGT:

The reason I do not have an EGT is because I had the AEM Wideband first.

A question for you superheads out there on this forum.... "WHERE CAN I GET ONE". Pettit tell me they have none for sale and I really don't want to go Blitz or turbo. Also the Hymee looks great but a tad to expensive for me. Honestly, I've owned a few turbo cars and some how they don't like me.... hahaha.

Sweeeeet! You can have Dibs:)
quoted for future reference :lol:

A question for you superheads out there on this forum.... "WHERE CAN I GET ONE". Pettit tell me they have none for sale and I really don't want to go Blitz or turbo. Also the Hymee looks great but a tad to expensive for me. Honestly, I've owned a few turbo cars and some how they don't like me.... hahaha.

Sorry dude, unless you go pro-charger, your kinda SOL.

A question for you superheads out there on this forum.... "WHERE CAN I GET ONE". Pettit tell me they have none for sale and I really don't want to go Blitz or turbo. Also the Hymee looks great but a tad to expensive for me. Honestly, I've owned a few turbo cars and some how they don't like me.... hahaha.

That's how I feel. Ive owned 2 myself. I've talked to Cam Jr about it. Since the SC that was on the kit isn't being produced anymore it makes it a little more difficult to put another kit together. I'm not saying its impossible but its going to take a little more work to get the job done. We've talked about other options with another SC that will work. Its more expensive for one and with the kits that have been sold the profit margin wasn't great. There's still a chance that it can be done though. One thing would be the price would need to go up on the kit to make it worth doing for Pettit, also he would need a guarantee that if he does another run he's not going to be sitting on a bunch of money invested by having kits sitting on the shelf. That can be done though by deposits, I'd say on 5 to 10 kits at a time to justify and help cover the work and parts needed to complete the kits. If your still interested I'm down to help him do what needs to be done to get the ball rolling. My idea would be starting a thread after I talk to him more about it for people that are willing to do this. It wouldn't be for any discussion, it would a thread that you go to and say yes I'm interested and yes I have my deposit ready, I want a blower kit.

I think there would actually be a good bit of interest in this

Guys, has anyone tapped into the superchargers inlet and measured its vacuum at WOT?
Are there restrictions on the intake side?
What say Moon?

Where at in afghanstan? I was in Kunduz last year

I just left TK after a short trip a few days ago. 2nd best chow in theatre. French toast is awesome.

I just left TK after a short trip a few days ago. 2nd best chow in theatre. French toast is awesome.

Still doesn't beat the air force chow in Manas, damn flyboys.

This is what I got from Cam in an email........

"The super charger we were using (Lysholm MX417) has bin discontinued however we are working with PSE Superchargers to modify an old style MX 417 to fit our kit. We will post on the web site as soon as we find out weather the new charger will work. In the mean time if you can find a used MX 417 with a slim back plate we will sell you the rest of the kit"

SO....... I searched high and low for an MX417... and no go.

IF THERE IS ANYONE SELLING OF THEIR KIT OR KNOWS OF ANY ONE PLEASE LET ME KNOW.

http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=181256&stc=1&d=1328744885
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work in progress

looks sweet OD - good work !

Looking clean and shiny OD :D:

Thanks guys!
the hose candy has worked out well.
the coils are the msd 8247 with custom leads and custom mount. i had to turn them some because they are so dang big.
The catch can is a converted aeromotive fuel filter and it is to vacuum while on the street.
I do wish I could get a better battery box though.
next is to get a better brake vacuum hose.alternator pulley etc. Just playing.
the aw cooler pump is now mounted next to the drivers side oil cooler. It will never lose prime again:)

It looks like christmas in there Denny. SHINY THINGS

at least for a while

Thanks guys for the info...... Yes I would say cost of SC over at TC is not viable. I don't see myself paying for one at any price just to have it on my ride. Back to square one on the FI options.

much cleaner than the last time I saw it Denny :lol:
I need to find a higher place to mount my pump too...

Still doesn't beat the air force chow in Manas, damn flyboys.

I am currently eating the best food in theatre. The enchiladas I had last night were better than half the mexican joints in the states.

The food is so ridiculously good, I could go on and on about it.

I really enjoyed the German DFAC in Mazar-i-Sharif. They manage to put pork and bacon into every dish

mmmmm bacon

lol that was funny Hoss.

Hey silverstreak--its not hard to do--come over one w/e and we could get it done.

may take you up on that OD...the fan controller still puzzles me on paper lol
short term list is:
1) flex-a-lite variable fan speed controller w/ rad probe (still not positive on which one...summit has 2 different ones all with radiator probe) :dunno:
2) BHR kit - with the new Yukon coils Charles assures me it will work fine for FI
3) new mounting spot for the pump so it doesnt lose prime
4) new tires and you know how funny I am about that :lol:

come on then! We can hook the fan controller up at the same time. Summit racing is right up the road.

thanks man
I'll holler at you when I get a hold of the parts
hopefully it will all work out before March
hoping to get her on RA at the NASA event 9-11 :fingersx:

i deleted the thread swoope. i had over 40 views and no comments. So I guess what I had observed was nothing.
Basically what i saw while looking at some ap logs was my alternator voltage went over 14 Volts ONLY after my fuel injectors were past a certain duty cycle. The fuel pump was already in its high speed mode before this occured. Injectors are not maxed out.
My hot alternator voltage is usually mid to high 13's which is OK. But during the observational period, it was a 14.2--14.4V range that NEVER occurs otherwise in my logs. I thought that was curious and also I thought it may be of some importance while tuning.
I was also wondering if this was happening to anyone else.

odd curious question from my research in the boss mustang forums. does the kenne bell boost a pump work with our stuff? i know you know the answer right now or are going to run with it!

beers :beer:

That's how I feel. Ive owned 2 myself. I've talked to Cam Jr about it. Since the SC that was on the kit isn't being produced anymore it makes it a little more difficult to put another kit together. I'm not saying its impossible but its going to take a little more work to get the job done. We've talked about other options with another SC that will work. Its more expensive for one and with the kits that have been sold the profit margin wasn't great. There's still a chance that it can be done though. One thing would be the price would need to go up on the kit to make it worth doing for Pettit, also he would need a guarantee that if he does another run he's not going to be sitting on a bunch of money invested by having kits sitting on the shelf. That can be done though by deposits, I'd say on 5 to 10 kits at a time to justify and help cover the work and parts needed to complete the kits. If your still interested I'm down to help him do what needs to be done to get the ball rolling. My idea would be starting a thread after I talk to him more about it for people that are willing to do this. It wouldn't be for any discussion, it would a thread that you go to and say yes I'm interested and yes I have my deposit ready, I want a blower kit.

moon,

have spare car, willing to help.. recall all that ecu stuff from years gone past! ;) i was there with help and a phone #

beers :beer:

kenne bell boost a pump will work for us and its a great product.
Our PCM controls the cars voltage also--in certain parameters. Damn complicated car:)
The Boss cures a lot of its little nuances with its Track Key hehe.

By the way Team--the zero side seal clearance will not work well on the renny.

couple things folks-- i need some opinions.
I have become very interested in a company called Microblue. Its a metal treatment and coating thats has an unique process. I am hearing really good things about this company and I have personally spoke with Craig, the owner. I am thinking he has something to offer us. This process is even used on piston rings. Independent proven results. Can yall check it out and post ya'll's opinion?

Another thing-- i cant believe that none of the auto part stores in my town ( auto zone, oriellys, advanced auto, napa, and Pep boys) dont carry a waterpump/alternator belt for our car. WTH? I have to order one and it will not be here until Tuesday. Seems like it is an odd size.

hey guys, im looking at a SC and just want some basic info. ive looked online and read to many threads to remember it all, so over all on a scale of 1-10 (10 hardest) how hard is the install, as well as average costs, and post engine maintenance needed are the few things i cant manage to find.

- any advice, info, comments highly appreciated

hardest thing is re wiring the harness for the location of the coils, other than that its pretty basic hardware install.

true that.
Install is not that hard---just work. You do have to remove the vacuum cannister from the oem composite manifold and do a little engine electrical harness work ( just have to remove some terminals from their connectors, reroute the wires from the harness and then replug the terminals back into the connectors) so you can have the lenght needed to relocate the ignition coil pack.
Heck now I think I could do an install in one long day.
You do need to prepare for the install with appropiate gauges, tune up, make sure your fuel pump is good and front o2 sensor is good. I also would highly recommend and upgraded ignition coil system, better water pump, 180 degree thermostat, remote oil filter and better fan control.

I need a local 08 and below rx8 for a project. If anyone knows of someone who wants a SC and can give up there car for 3 months contact me through PM. Must be close enough so we can have lunch. Trust me this is something that your gona want.

I'd be down but, too far :(

And it begins! Big news is a coming guys. Just wait and see.
Some lucky guy is going to get something a lot of us will want.

willing to donate my 06 auto :suspect:

So the new super secret item is a Supercharger kit related mod... Interesting.....

Nope--thats not it. This is another secret at the skunk works!

Yeh, this came up in the last couple days.

And it begins! Big news is a coming guys. Just wait and see.
Some lucky guy is going to get something a lot of us will want.

Must be a hot chick that comes with the next SC kit ?

Must be a hot chick that comes with the next SC kit ?

YES! :kiss:

I need a local 08 and below rx8 for a project. If anyone knows of someone who wants a SC and can give up there car for 3 months contact me through PM. Must be close enough so we can have lunch. Trust me this is something that your gona want.

Please keep this visable, i need it seen. Thanks

Please keep this visable, i need it seen. Thanks


I have forwarded this to Grungepup, he is interested in this for his 07' GT.

Pm sent

dang secret is out---hot chicks it is ftw!
i hope swoope wears a better costumne this time---lol!

By the way Team--the zero side seal clearance will not work well on the renny.


That's news for you .... ;)

All is not lost... I've been looking for a SC for a while now and no luck. This will be interesting. I'd like to know more.

in time, in time. hang on until summer. It will be well worth the wait. Many things have been learned since the 1st kit came out.

like what exactly? :suspect: