well then there you go

anyone ported their TB yet--hehehe?
OD

^Uh oh. Did you?

...That's after the MAF... are you trying to cram in more air without upsetting the computer?

a bricked ECU would mean no start at all, not a bad idle.

Are you sure you did the flash successfully?

Did you watch he LED on the Efidude go red and then back to green? And it had defintely had the flash installed on it successfully?

yes the flash was done successfully...
but after that, my Efilogger stopped working...so maybe something happen while flashing the car. :eyetwitch

I received my new logger last week, I did a run to log some data & sent it to Cam and Dian...

You'll find it atttached...

Do you have your plug wires in the correct position? You might have gotten the trailing and leads reversed on 1 rotor? When frusterated walk away for a few.


Very nice proposition.
As for the installation We have to move everything in the engine... plus I install 4 new ignition coils and the magnacore wires....

so my question ... How can I check if those are correctly plugged ? :eyetwitch

Very nice proposition.
As for the installation We have to move everything in the engine... plus I install 4 new ignition coils and the magnacore wires....

so my question ... How can I check if those are correctly plugged ? :eyetwitch

Make sure the ignition wire harness colors match up with the correct coil/spark plug wire (example: Follow the spark plug wire up from the leading front spark plug. Verify that the ignition wire connector has a green wire input)

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc7/bastage_2005/ignitionwirescolorcodes.jpg

Do the same for each using the colors in the diagram above. I'm pretty sure Y/G is yellow with a green stripe, G is green, L is blue, and W is white.

Therefore:
Leading Front coil -> Green
Trailing Front coil -> White
Leading Rear coil -> Yellow/Green
Trailing Rear coil -> Blue

anyone ported their TB yet--hehehe?
OD

FEED sells a larger TB...
I feel like this was brought up awhile ago and everyone came to a consesus that it wasnt a larger TB that was desired but rather longer runner lengths..

here's proof for your direct comparison:

Thread Fluid is selling the SC:
http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=173693

Thread ChrisM sent, this guy owned the car:
http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=172835

Note Picture 1 in Fluid's thread and picture 2 of cobrn's thread.

Definitive!

anyone ported their TB yet--hehehe?
OD


I am getting more MAF then the ECU will handle, more flow is pointless.
I was told, anything greater than 350 on the MAF is treated by the ECU as if it was 350.

Also, I have been told the MAF housing is the stock diameter, and is unscaled.

Yeah, our ECU sucks for reaching over 350 RWHP. :uhh:

Alternate, additional fuel like methanol can get past that.

//Go to a bigger MAF housing????

FEED sells a larger TB...
I feel like this was brought up awhile ago and everyone came to a consesus that it wasnt a larger TB that was desired but rather longer runner lengths..

Interesting idea.
Push the throttle body forward and put the MAF and air filter out in front of the radiator core support.

here's proof for your direct comparison:

Thread Fluid is selling the SC:
http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=173693

Thread ChrisM sent, this guy owned the car:
http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=172835

Note Picture 1 in Fluid's thread and picture 2 of cobrn's thread.

Definitive!
Yea, I kinda figured it out. I had be talking to the guy that blew it and I really thought that he would fix it......too bad for him. This will be one of the few that ever gets sold like that.

Anybody other than me wonder how Hymee feels about this...........:uhh:

Interesting idea.
Push the throttle body forward and put the MAF and air filter out in front of the radiator core support.

:squint:

Wouldn't you have to relocate the intercooler if you do a true CAI like that?

Anybody other than me wonder how Hymee feels about this...........:uhh:

He probably doesn't care. I'm sure he's aware that Fluid is basically a reseller of goods.

For instance, you can buy a Pettit Supercharger kit from RX7store.com, but they also sell Greddy Turbo kits.

Anybody other than me wonder how Hymee feels about this...........:uhh:

I was kind of wondering the same thing.
competing product for LESS then the Hymee (for which he's the only US distributor)

:dunno:

i mentioned porting the tb because not all of us are running the bigger pulley! And I NEED something to do.!!
I think I would rather just supply cold air to the stock location of the airfilter. ambient temps once above 70F are not going to make a huge difference at times you are running hard. The sc just puts out to much heat. turn the w/m on. That is what will cool the charge temps.
Cold air to the oridginal will help to cool that entire area--including the coils.
olddragger

Instead of working on the actual intake and filter, why not work on some ducting to take cold air up to that area? That will leave MAF turbulence etc well out of the picture.

Like a ram duct that feeds up into the tray area under the filter?

Bear in mind I have no idea what I'm talking about a lot of the time.....

:squint:

Wouldn't you have to relocate the intercooler if you do a true CAI like that?
Short answer, no.

I was going to put in in front of the Radiator and the IC.
:banghead:

^Tricky?

about the tb, didnt hymee say he had a 85mm tb?
and about the filter, y not try and go to a different brand? k&N are nowhere near the best. y not go more free flowing then trying to cram a huge cone in there

this is the cold air supply i am thinking about doing--minus the oem stuff of course
http://www.leg-sport.com/cgi-bin/diary/images/20090302185902_1.JPG
http://www.leg-sport.com/cgi-bin/diary/images/20090302224748_1.JPG

The open more freely flowing filter i know of than kn is the blitz stainless steel type which doesnt filter very well.
i ordered the rf 1033 KN--should work.
I am thinking by porting the TB( by that I only mean to cut the ridge down in the tb channel not making the entire TB larger--least not much.) bigger filter and my reworked lim and using the above cold air set up may be pretty cool--no pun intended.
Olddragger

^ whoa. intense. Through the emblem. Just... just wow.

Car and supercharger have been sold, pending title transfer.

Freshly rebuilt Motor and so on.

Orlando Local.

How about changing the Thorttle for a bigger one ?!

http://www.japanparts.com/db/parts_detail.php

Car and supercharger have been sold, pending title transfer.

Freshly rebuilt Motor and so on.

Orlando Local.

wow, a bizzaro Bastage car in central Florida. The KARR to my KITT...

wow, a bizzaro Bastage car in central Florida. The KARR to my KITT...

Sweet,

Pass them our contact info.
:)

My hump, my hump
I blew my rubber hump

:lol:

I noticed methanol water mix on the underside of my hood.
The hood smelled of strawberry methanol flavor....
I have stainless steel methanol lines, so no leak there.
Boost has been down to 9 PSI lately.
I noticed a small nick in the rubber hump coupler, just enough to have a slight leak if it goes through. (it looks like it does)

I blew my rubber hump. :uhh:

I am now going for a ride with paper napkin "diapers" on all my fittings and the hump...

Update 10:39 pm Thursday, May 21 2009:
Methanol leak, It was an AN fitting that was not tight.
The methanol "flavor" (http://store.summitracing.com/egnsearch.asp?Ntk=KeywordSearch&DDS=1&y=8&N=700+115&searchinresults=false&Ntt=FUEL+FRAGRANCE&x=19) smell makes a leak really get noticed fast.
If you smell strawberry from under the hood.....
Boost coupler, yeah, the leak goes through, I am only getting 5 to 9 PSI now.
New coupler tomorrow from Murrays, I needed M5 anyway.

oh noes
your hump took a dump !!!!!!

blew the hump!! how the hell??
Oh I have something to show all.
OD

http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=139156&stc=1&d=1242946573http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=139157&stc=1&d=1242946735
two pics but only one showing as i posted it with edit.
hope this is the right pic
od

http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=139156&stc=1&d=1242946573http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=139157&stc=1&d=1242946735
two pics but only one showing as i posted it with edit.
hope this is the right pic
od

Looks like a ported and polish TB. I did mine over two months ago along with the Pettit SC intake opening. Nice work OD. :eyetwitch

http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=139156&stc=1&d=1242946573http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=139157&stc=1&d=1242946735
two pics but only one showing as i posted it with edit.
hope this is the right pic
od

Pretty.

OD, You had mentioned earlier you were thinking of cutting your RPMs; any thoughts on a larger S/C crank pulley?
More boost would make you smile.
I have the 5 inch and really should not hold the engine at 10K redline, there is also a 4.75 inch that is a step up from the 4.5 "stocker".

I also went with larger "blue" secondary injectors from an automatic to richen it up for the extra boost at higher RPM.

with increased boost comes higher egt's--thats a little concern of mine since I track my car not infrequently and I am not sure if my egt's would get into a zone I don't want to be in. I am not sure if the w/m is lowering it enough on track. My exhaust collector gasket blew out my last track event and it was the Percy's seal for good aluminum one.
My plan is this:
1- I am going to do a little data collection per efi dude with my current set up as a baseline
2- add the larger air filter (this weekend) and do another run
3- added the new TB--another run
4- Then the big one---add my modified lower intake and do another run . This one will take a little time--not a simple job
After that I will see what I have (anticipated maf readings below 8K of 310-315 range)
I may have to go to the bigger injectors since i am so close to the 100% duty cycle now.
I do limit my rpm's. Gears 1-2-3 limit to 8K(comes so damn fast!)
4-5-6 to 7 to 7.5K --it is actually faster that way. No "faster" is a subjective term---its not black and white--but this is what I try to do.
olddragger

My CAI plan, update 2:
I found a 90 degree 3.5 inch tube (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170332715676&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOIBSA:MOTORS:1123) that is a little over 10 inches long each direction from the bend.
I bought two, one to go out and down, the other to go right and across.
I am hopeful they can be cut to fit.

Guys this 09 conversion is gona need to happen in stages. Its looking like I might put the Pettit intake on first, ive in the past used the intake and flipped the throttle body and added a maf housing to an adapter that bolted to the throttlebody. The reason is im trying to get this puppy ready for instal but I still need to reposition the OMPs that now stand in the way and still drive it.

Good to hear from ya Moon----! 09 install will be interesting.
Say--question--- what do you think of the yukon coils install and how can we get the optimum dwell times for them?
By the way --IF you road track your car--put an oil catch can on--you will need it. I need to rework the oil filler assembly some--more to follow.
OD

Guys this 09 conversion is gona need to happen in stages. Its looking like I might put the Pettit intake on first, ive in the past used the intake and flipped the throttle body and added a maf housing to an adapter that bolted to the throttlebody. The reason is im trying to get this puppy ready for instal but I still need to reposition the OMPs that now stand in the way and still drive it.

Moon,

Would the Sohn Adapter (http://www.rotaryaviation.com/oil_injector_pump_adaptors.htm) help?

well just did some efi dude data collection between the regular cone filter we all got? and then the bigger kn rf 1033 --little bigger--different shape.
from 58 to 81 mph it is 0.2 secs faster--really not statistically significant. load was different 150 with small filter and 147 with larger, maf readings actually lower with the bigger filter (3nd gear) 285 where with smaller filter it was 291.
me thinks the trims have to get used to the larger filter.
OD

Yo all ! :lol2:

So I founded a hose unplugged, see picture, the one with the yellow line.
hope it is correct.
So I now have an idle position.

look at those three videos to tell me what do you think; I found the idle sound strange.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1Phf4jIGkU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckHDdZ2SdME
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjKRxwkWS0o

when I gave a run, I had a CEL twice, I'll take my computer with me next time to see the code number ! :eyetwitch

my new ca supply http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=139312&stc=1&d=1243268160
hehehe
olddragger

Yo all ! :lol2:

So I founded a hose unplugged, see picture, the one with the yellow line.
hope it is correct.

Dude, thats the BARO sensor. There should be no hose connected to it.

Dude, thats the BARO sensor. There should be no hose connected to it.

An attempt at PCM trickery, perhaps?

An attempt at PCM trickery, perhaps?

Connecting it to a vacuum line like it looks like he did would be tricking the ECU to think the engine is operating at around 20,000ft altitude at idle!

Well, I didn't say it was a proper effort. :lol2:

dude---you did put oil in the s.c--correct?
just a lot of noise--pulley --something---if oil is in the s.c. --check you idler pulley --something making a lot of noise.
OD

dude---you did put oil in the s.c--correct?
just a lot of noise--pulley --something---if oil is in the s.c. --check you idler pulley --something making a lot of noise.
OD

No we didn't add oil in the S.C. ... should I ?! :uhh:

About the hose I plugged, we tried to look every failure and we didn't found anything before we thought maybe we have to plug what you call the BARO.
As it wasunpluged, we said "Yeah we forgot that one !!" and it works...
tomorow I'll give it a run, if I get a CEL, I'll check with my computer the code... maybe I have to unplug that thing :banghead:

What may help me is huge pict of your hoses connections...

can my problem comes from an insufisant air flow in the engine (filter) ?!

:banghead:

No we didn't add oil in the S.C. ... should I ?! :uhh:



Holy Shhh*****
Yes, please... Gear oil...

i dont know if he was kidding or not---on line-- you know you have to ask all --no matter what. No insults intended.
Dude if you have oil in the s.c. then your idler pulley is the only thing making that kind of noise--its really loud. look at the adjustment. you really need to fix it.
if you really didnt add oil to the s.c.--hey once i cranked up a car when i forgot to put the oil filter back on! add the oil man if you havent--please.
????
on another note yall like my cold air?
OD

I made comments in your thread Denny,,,
Looking good now lets work on that hood..

Holy Shhh*****
Yes, please... Gear oil...

I use Royal Purple 20W-50 XPR, I was told to use 20W-50 in the supercharger by Cam.
I bought a quart of the Royal Purple in February of 2008 when I made the first oil change, I still have 1/4 of the quart.

Fill the supercharger to the indicated mark on the screw in dipstick, the oil level is measured by simply dropping the dipstick into the S/C dipstick hole and not by screwing it in.

xfingers he did put oil in it--because if he didnt ---then --i dont know.
OD

ok,

First I'll add some oil :spank: engine oil is good ?

but I still have my CEL probleme, attached the codes.
DTC Number : P0171
DTC Name : System Too Lean : Bank 1
What should I do at this point !!

if the BARO's hose as to be taken out of the actual position ; doesn't the BARO get plugged to the T/B ?

I am really getting lost in this case :icon_no2:

No, use gear oil....

if the BARO's hose as to be taken out of the actual position ; doesn't the BARO get plugged to the T/B ?

I am really getting lost in this case :icon_no2:


Where did you get the idea that the BARO sensor had a hose connected to it in the first place? It never HAD a hose connected to it from the factory. If that sensor is seeing any pressure above ATMO, the PCM is freaking out thinking that it cannot add enough fuel to compensate.

The purpose of that sensor is to help the PCM compensate for any minor change in altitude or barometric pressure and connecting a hose to it has interfered with it's ability to measure ATMO pressure.

Where did you get the idea that the BARO sensor had a hose connected to it in the first place? It never HAD a hose connected to it from the factory. If that sensor is seeing any pressure above ATMO, the PCM is freaking out thinking that it cannot add enough fuel to compensate.

The purpose of that sensor is to help the PCM compensate for any minor change in altitude or barometric pressure and connecting a hose to it has interfered with it's ability to measure ATMO pressure.

In fact, I was looking for something misssing... and I remember the following file that Cam gave me...

I thought that this was the mettering valves or jet air ...as I don't know what they both are... :banghead:

I'll disconnect it as it gives me a CEL P0108..or maybe I have to connect it to the MAF air intake... :spank:

I use Royal Purple 20W-50 XPR, I was told to use 20W-50 in the supercharger by Cam.
I bought a quart of the Royal Purple in February of 2008 when I made the first oil change, I still have 1/4 of the quart.

Fill the supercharger to the indicated mark on the screw in dipstick, the oil level is measured by simply dropping the dipstick into the S/C dipstick hole and not by screwing it in.

I was also instructed by Cam to use 20W-50 and I also use Royal Purple.

ok,

First I'll add some oil :spank: engine oil is good ?

but I still have my CEL probleme, attached the codes.
DTC Number : P0171
DTC Name : System Too Lean : Bank 1
What should I do at this point !!

if the BARO's hose as to be taken out of the actual position ; doesn't the BARO get plugged to the T/B ?

I am really getting lost in this case :icon_no2:
Sorry I can't help you here, Charles R. Hill installed my s/c and did have some of the same problems but got it worked out.

In fact, I was looking for something misssing... and I remember the following file that Cam gave me...

I thought that this was the mettering valves or jet air ...as I don't know what they both are... :banghead:

I'll disconnect it as it gives me a CEL P0108..or maybe I have to connect it to the MAF air intake... :spank:

Remove your hose from the BARO sensor and attach it to the "purge solenoid". It looks like the hose you have connected to the BARO sensor is the skinny red one in the diagram Cam gave you.

That lean code is probly from a VAC leak. You shouldnt have anything leaking VAC to the atmosphere, or boost. If you do drive it even lightly and see that again take it easy on the drive home. Keep yourself patiant, if its pissing you off just walk away. No need to stress. When you find the problem im sure youl now it rite away. Keep in mind that you might have knocked a hose loss like your OMP or jet air. Hoses loss from any of those could cause that code along with other things. Also check the 1/4" hose behind the blower, ive seen them get damaged before also. As for the oil vent for the engine and blower you can let that breath if you want as long as its not hooked anywere in the intake system bleeding VAC.

I just looked at the diagram and noticed that the hoses from the blower vent and crankcase vent look like there intersecting. Those are both different systems, there should be no connection between the two. The jet air and OMP get teed in together then those alone make there way through the throttle body (for looks) then to the MAF housing. The hoses for the vents should either go to a catch can with the MAF housing pluged or to the other side of MAF housing.

you think his s.c itself is still ok?
OD

you think his s.c itself is still ok?
OD

It may resolve his "idle issue" to get oil in the blower.
(That had to run hot)
Let's hope the blower is still OK.

Gear Oil vs Engine Oil, which would be better?
I can see a point of using the 75-90 gear oil, but Cam said 20W-50.
I can see Cam saying either one is good. (Will find out soon.)

It may resolve his "idle issue" to get oil in the blower.
(That had to run hot)
Let's hope the blower is still OK.

Gear Oil vs Engine Oil, which would be better?
I can see a point of using the 75-90 gear oil, but Cam said 20W-50.
I can see Cam saying either one is good. (Will find out soon.)
When he was in Vegas and given the choice, he used 20W-50 so I would tend to go with his recommendations. Personally I see nothing wrong with gear oil but........

When he was in Vegas and given the choice, he used 20W-50 so I would tend to go with his recommendations. Personally I see nothing wrong with gear oil but........

Straight 50W Royal Purple on mine. It gives me 330 whp on a good day. :eyetwitch

Straight 50W Royal Purple on mine. It gives me 330 whp on a good day. :eyetwitch

I like RP 20W-50 XPR better: :)
Either way, it looks like Royal Purple wins.

I just looked at the diagram and noticed that the hoses from the blower vent and crankcase vent look like there intersecting. Those are both different systems, there should be no connection between the two. The jet air and OMP get teed in together then those alone make there way through the throttle body (for looks) then to the MAF housing. The hoses for the vents should either go to a catch can with the MAF housing pluged or to the other side of MAF housing.

OK , so no intersection... thanks because I was thinking they were connected.

but what is Jet air and OMP ?!
sorry but I really do not know what they two are ?!:icon_no2:

^ OMP is oil metering pump if I'm not mistaken.

^ OMP is oil metering pump if I'm not mistaken.
Your quite rite the OMP is the oil metering pump but I'm not familiar with the "jet air" term.

The "jet-air nozzles" are a pair of tiny nozzles located in the lower intake manifold that prevent fuel from puddling in the manifold.

May I ask a photo of both of them (jet air and OMP) ? I might be help full ...
As my english for technical term is kind of limited :)

hey JKM the jet air hose is the one that goes down to the lowest vacuum port on the lower intake manifold --not the 2 upper ones but the lowest one--its right in the middle of the lower intake manifold almost next to the exhaust manifold.
i cant find a picture i can post----anyone?

OD

The "jet-air nozzles" are a pair of tiny nozzles located in the lower intake manifold that prevent fuel from puddling in the manifold.


Yeah, the vacuum/boost leak that is built-in. :banghead:
Note: The two "vacuum leaks" in the center two ports join to a 1/4 inch (steel?) line that comes out of the lowest point of the intake, to a rubber line, then goes back to a metal line that exits near the top, front, passenger side of the engine.

The bottom two rubber to metal line connections are a leak waiting to happen, put hose clamps on them.

hey JKM the jet air hose is the one that goes down to the lowest vacuum port on the lower intake manifold --not the 2 upper ones but the lowest one--its right in the middle of the lower intake manifold almost next to the exhaust manifold.
i cant find a picture i can post----anyone?

OD

Thanks for your help OD :)

I'll try to find them... :eyetwitch

But if someone have a photo with nice circules to help me it would be great, I need to find the jet air hose and the metering vavles (see Cam's graphic). :banghead:

The reason I call the jet-air nozzle system a "vacuum leak" (but I also note that it is metered by the MAF sensor) is to help people understand that it functions as a throttle body air bleed/bypass when the engine is idling. It helps them to better visualize the function of the system, from an airflow standpoint.

The reason I call the jet-air nozzle system a "vacuum leak" (but I also note that it is metered by the MAF sensor) is to help people understand that it functions as a throttle body air bleed/bypass when the engine is idling. It helps them to better visualize the function of the system, from an airflow standpoint.

So, as I didn't connect the jat-air to the T/B & so to the MAF, may be one reason why my engine can not idle ?! :beer05:

PLEASE photo of those jet air hose :crying:

getting crazy and loving it :crazy:

I have no photos available but the best thing to do, IMO, is to locate the jet-air and OMP nozzle vent hoses after the MAF sensor, before the throttle body, with one-way check valves to assure airflow toward the nozzles and checked against reverse-flow. I believe this is what Pettit also proscribes in their installation manual as well. (Not sure what they say about check-valves)

I have no photos available but the best thing to do, IMO, is to locate the jet-air and OMP nozzle vent hoses after the MAF sensor, before the throttle body, with one-way check valves to assure airflow toward the nozzles and checked against reverse-flow. I believe this is what Pettit also proscribes in their installation manual as well. (Not sure what they say about check-valves)

Yes, I'll try to locate them...but honestly the installation manual isn't so usefull as the supercharger evolved and not the manual, a.e., it is said to cut two of the MAF cable...what is no more usefull...:icon_no2:

The reason why I wanted some photos is to help me being sure what I take for the jetair and metering vavles are actually the good one ; I don't wan't to do what I did with the BARO :eyetwitch

so if please someone can do some photos (or videos) of there installation (specially the jet air and metering vavle...) ...It would be usefull...

OK, so I took a photo ... can you locate the jet air and Metering valves on this picture ?

because looking at Cam's graphic, they might be somewhere there ?! :eyetwitch

So, as I didn't connect the jat-air to the T/B & so to the MAF, may be one reason why my engine can not idle ?! :beer05:

PLEASE photo of those jet air hose :crying:

getting crazy and loving it :crazy:

The square (?) on top shows the area for the OMP vacuum connection, it is all the way down on the block and very hard to get to. It is not the shiny fuel line you can see easily in the foreground :icon_no2:
The vacuum connection is on the rear side of the "distribution block" for the little oil injection lines.



The Circle (?) on the bottom shows the area for the Jet Air nozzle vacuum connection (1/4 inch ID line?) , this is a pipe-hose-pipe route that runs down to the bottom of the lower intake center two ports. It is also hard to get to; the other side of this pipe goes to a rubber hose that then connects to another pipe that goes into the to Jet Air nozzles. The pipe has a connection to the intake manifold bolt to hold the pipe in place.

Yes, the picture is blurry, but these two places are really far down.

jk do you have the RX8 manual? If not download it from off this forum--it has all the pictures you need--i will try to take some tomorrow also.
olddragger

Yeh, the hose going to the OMP is located on the top of the engine and hard to see. Its easy to knock it off the engine during the instal causing the Jet air to pull uneeded air. Its hard to check if you have everything installed. I use the force when checking it but if you dont now exactly were it is its hard to locate. Its going to be one of 3 hoses that you disconected from the rubber section of your stock intake. You only have 2 to worry about since 1 was your crank case breather.

also : the hoses do have a coloured marking on the ends to tell you which is which . I had a diagram i got from the 'greddy turbo fixes' thread to work mine out . Don't ask me to find it again .

jk do you have the RX8 manual? If not download it from off this forum--it has all the pictures you need--i will try to take some tomorrow also.
olddragger

I got the 6 MT rx8.
Hope I'll find those damn hose :banghead:

I got the 6 MT rx8.
Hope I'll find those damn hose :banghead:

Do you have a vacuum hose connected to the oil injection distribution block?
Do you have a hose or plug connected to the metal pipe on the front passenger side of the engine, near the thermostat?

I only follow the pettit pdf file..wich was not that help full...

I only follow the pettit pdf file..wich was not that help full...

Actually, if you followed the PDF; we know the OMP distribution block has a vacuum connection to the Jet Air, and that those are "tee'd" to connect to the MAF.

The Pettit PDF shows the correct mods to the Jet-Air and OMP hoses.

What the PDF does not show is using hose clamps to attach those hoses, my vacuum hoses kept blowing off under boost.

Use hose clamps or at least good, tight wire ties on all vacuum hoses.

Here is my latest picture.

I seem to have issues with blurring pictures at higher resolution.

Anybody had issues with their air/water pump? Mine started blowing fuses every other day, then just stopped working alltogether.

are you around 60 000 miles?

Here is my latest picture.

I seem to have issues with blurring pictures at higher resolution.

:)

thanks for your pictures.
try again but with different mode, for example, the first you took may be good with the macro Mod as you where near the "target"

are you around 60 000 miles?

110000

wow, Morkus, how many of them are FI...

no --no issue with the a/w pump here. its s bosch pump so you can order your own or get another from cam?
OD

wow, Morkus, how many of them are FI...

@40k

no --no issue with the a/w pump here. its s bosch pump so you can order your own or get another from cam?
OD

Do you know the part #? Or, could I possibly upgrade it to something better?

just google it and all kinks of choices come up

Jmk--i looked at my engine bay an a pic would be of no use
actually you can cap off the jet air line--since our cars idle faster than the stock one it is off little use---so to get it running cap it off.
are you ok with the other vacuum lines?
OD

110000

"110000"
So, it's 48 miles? :lol:

Do you know the part #? Or, could I possibly upgrade it to something better?

I had wondered about upgrading the pump to a variable speed pump, and find the "sweet spot" for the water flow through the I/C.

^^^ If the IC pump bumps the flow up too much there wont be enough time for the fluid to sit in the seried exchangers to cool...
Im going to be working more in the direction of Joff, by relocating the resevior and pump into the area that the VFAD used to be...

Do you know the part #? Or, could I possibly upgrade it to something better?

How many years old is it, there might still be a warenty with Jabso, call Cam and ask.

How many years old is it, there might still be a warenty with Jabso, call Cam and ask.


What about this one (http://www.jabsco.com/files/itemdoc125591.pdf)?

Variable.....

Jmk--i looked at my engine bay an a pic would be of no use
actually you can cap off the jet air line--since our cars idle faster than the stock one it is off little use---so to get it running cap it off.
are you ok with the other vacuum lines?
OD

I think my vacuum lines are OK as I took out the BARO :)

but I have now to plug the jet air and "metering valve" together and then to the T/B.

It will be a hard time doing it... I'll give it a try by tomorrow or wednesday...

btw, to resolv any problemes, I bought a new 255LPH fuel pump :), should arrives soon :spank:

btw, to resolv any problemes, I bought a new 255LPH fuel pump :), should arrives soon :spank:

Is this a walbro pump? Are you planning on converting the non-return line fuel system?

Is this a walbro pump? Are you planning on converting the non-return line fuel system?


The pump we are talking about runs the water/air inter-cooler, a Jabro model.(still checking which model)


Update:
This thread has ADD. (me too?)
Yes, he does have a fuel pump too....
/My bad. :icon_no2:

^ This thread does bounce around a lot, but everything is on topic and it's all great info!!

i hope it is not a a/w pump--he said 255lph flow rate!!
olddragger

i hope it is not a a/w pump--he said 255lph flow rate!!
olddragger

Yeah, my bad on that one. :spank:

well --after using my superior mcgyver type fluid intelligence-- i have figued out a less expensive and great looking oil catch can set up.
1st this is what i am going to use
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=AEI%2D12308&N=700+400300+115&autoview=sku
yes i know-- its a fuel filter--but to use it as a catch can you just add a tube on the inside (plug in hose) and remove the filter.
2nd where to mount---i dont like running hoses all the way to the wwf area so what i intend on doing it to reroute the power braking hose and making room for the catch can in that area--not forgetting to leave room to check the oil:) it will attach using the bolt on the power brake booster firewall. it should turn out well. this w/e hopefully.
3nd--- i have learned that to vent the crankcase you should NOT have the vacuum attached to the oil filler hose. What was happening to me was every time i was adding oil a little was going in that line via that T connection ---so my vacuum fittlng will be coimg out of the top of the oil cap --where my little breather filter is now.
If you track with this kit on --follow Cams/Moons instructions and put a catch can on. You will need it.
olddragger

check this out guys:
http://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php?p=3051605&postcount=232

Wow you lucky bastard, ehh I mean bastage... lol...

check this out guys:
http://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php?p=3051605&postcount=232
How could that beautiful woman possibly have put up with you for 10 years - That woman deserves a medal:). Beautiful Country

How could that beautiful woman possibly have put up with you for 10 years - That woman deserves a medal:). Beautiful Country

Your point is valid. She definitely deserves a medal, but I hope she'll settle for the 17 year friendship/relationship, the two kids, and all the other wonderful non-material things I give her on a regular basis ;)

I'm definitely a very lucky guy.

check this out guys:
http://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php?p=3051605&postcount=232

Very Nice! Enjoy your vacation with wife and keep posting pictures.

Life is good:) Nice Bastage --enjoy and remember. You lucky rascal.
now once you return and have recovered from the jet lag--tell us all.
OD

I had no vacation today; I now have Tein S springs on the rear.
I will complete the front tomorrow, unless I decide I like the rear down .7 and the front stock. (the car is comfy like this)
Front spring drop is 1.7, so we will see if I like it that way.

I had no vacation today; I now have Tein S springs on the rear.
I will complete the front tomorrow, unless I decide I like the rear down .7 and the front stock. (the car is comfy like this)
Front spring drop is 1.7, so we will see if I like it that way.

That's a big drop in the front.

check this out guys:
http://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php?p=3051605&postcount=232

Wow :Eyecrazy: Japan :)

How lucky :) enjoy your stay ....

and while you are their, meybe you can bring back some TD version front bumper :lol:

rote the S's are low and hard--what dampers?T or K's. i run the tein H's and they keep the rake of the chassis and can get over MOST speed bumps ok.
you are right --it aint no vacation putting those things on! fronts are actually easier to me.
OD

rote the S's are low and hard--what dampers?T or K's. i run the tein H's and they keep the rake of the chassis and can get over MOST speed bumps ok.
you are right --it aint no vacation putting those things on! fronts are actually easier to me.
OD

Yeah, low and hard.
That describes it.
I do have the Sport model car, so I do not have the front air dam; I haven't noticed issues with speed bumps. (yet) :icon_no2:

That's a big drop in the front.

It doesn't really look too low on my car, time will tell.
Enjoy Japan dude, I may want to think of that destination for this years reserve AT.

hey can you use the secondary air pump site for a second exhaust?
oldragger

Here is the latest picture, Tein S springs front and rear.

Update:
Why does my rear wheel look smaller?
(It's not smaller, yeah, I saw this and went to measure it)

New MAF sensor.

172% load, and I didn't hit it as hard as possible.
335 on the MAF. (nowhere near my max)

Long term trims are still 10 plus and growing. :banghead:
Next step is to swap O2 sensors. :uhh:

I will get rid of my LTTs.

you running the big pulley ---right? boy your a/f's are smooth and drop right done in the 11"s? what rpm were you? my trims are running at around 2.
olddragger

you running the big pulley ---right? boy your a/f's are smooth and drop right done in the 11"s? what rpm were you? my trims are running at around 2.
olddragger

Denny,

Here is a picture of almost all the data.
Log file is already in your email.

Yes, it's duct taped..... :rant:
Nobody (that I can find) carries 3.5 inch hose couplers in Orlando.

I have two on order from Summit Racing.

Duct tape 1001 uses. :)

The cold air intake is 3.5 inch all the way from the MAF, so far, so good.
Maybe my trims will disappear? :icon_no2:

Good stuff, Rote

New MAF sensor.

Long term trims are still 10 plus and growing. :banghead:
Next step is to swap O2 sensors. :uhh:

I will get rid of my LTTs.


I heard from a friend that changing the Oxygen sensor is very imporant when running with a special catalizer

you running the big pulley ---right? boy your a/f's are smooth and drop right done in the 11"s? what rpm were you? my trims are running at around 2.
olddragger

The stock O2 sensor bottoms out somewhere in the low 11's AFR. What looks like a steady 11.1 AFR may be a sign the actual AFR is much lower than that.

I heard from a friend that changing the Oxygen sensor is very imporant when running with a special catalizer

Which sensor needs changing, the one in the exhaust manifold, or the one that used to go in the Cat?
;)

My LTT is in the 5s.....
:jump:

I hope it stays that low...
:fingersx:

OK, here is what I did:
I found two 3.5 inch 90 degree mandrel bent aluminum tubes 29 inches long outside the curve. (They were actually from E-Bay--- OBX made them)
Hack saw on one of the tubes to fit the top.
Nose and bumper removal.
Small adjust with a hammer and wood block on the VFAD opening.
Hack saw on one of the tubes to fit the bottom.
Moved my stock K&N (for now) to the space in front of the I/C heat exchangers.
Bumper and nose install.

Yes, I am sure it blocks some air to the I/C, but the 20 percent trim is gone.

so you needed cooler air or straighter flow?
glad the trim is doing better!
good stuff about the bottom end scale of our wide band.
OD

Don't you have the ability to scale the maf ? :uhh:

Don't you have the ability to scale the maf ? :uhh:

I do have a flash with a scaled MAF, but I am not running that flash. (too lean)
Now that I have my CAI and I seem to be doing better on the LTT, I may do more testing.
The first step was getting a stable start point.

Which sensor needs changing, the one in the exhaust manifold, or the one that used to go in the Cat?
;)


The one going to the cat ... I have the re-amemyia catalizer so I still have my sensor....

I do have a flash with a scaled MAF, but I am not running that flash. (too lean)

The first step was getting a stable start point.

So You do not run with the pettit flash ?! 'cause I am too lean too...but I didn't finished my installation since 2 weeks (too much work) :bowdown:

So You do not run with the pettit flash ?! 'cause I am too lean too...but I didn't finished my installation since 2 weeks (too much work) :bowdown:

Both of the flashes I have for my car, came from Pettit Racing.
I have one made for the 570cc secondary injectors and one for the normal injectors.
The flash for the 570s was a scaled MAF flash.
I am not running the 570s, running the Automatic's 440 injectors with the normal Pettit flash and upgraded 14 PSI pulley.

Hey guys, new Pettit sc owner here. Will have my system in about two weeks and hopefully if everything goes according to plan will install it on the 4th of July weekend. Just trying to learn I all can about everything you guys did with your systems, but the threads are so damn long lol. Got to page 30 of this one...185 to go lol. Anyway would anyone be willing to make a nice summary of this thread perhaps. A summary of all the important things to take care of before installing the sc. Maybe some tips and pointers, etc. Im sure Ill be coming back here with tons of questions.

Congrats,,,,

Some things to look for have taken place in the last dozen pages with another new owner, just things to be aware of...

Hey guys, new Pettit sc owner here. Will have my system in about two weeks and hopefully if everything goes according to plan will install it on the 4th of July weekend. Just trying to learn I all can about everything you guys did with your systems, but the threads are so damn long lol. Got to page 30 of this one...185 to go lol. Anyway would anyone be willing to make a nice summary of this thread perhaps. A summary of all the important things to take care of before installing the sc. Maybe some tips and pointers, etc. Im sure Ill be coming back here with tons of questions.
Congradulations Macius, JMKuco just installed his and had a few problems that you need to check on. Mine was installed early in the game and installed by CHR so I can not be much help on the install.

See the first post and send me your info and I will add you to the list and map.

hows that new map coming Phils

well I've had mine installed for a year and 9,000 miles. No problems, and some great fun.
Jusrt passed my MOT as well, which features emissions control if people are interested.

Just got back from my wedding and Honeymoon driving about the Island of Skye and the north west coast of Scotland.

Amazing wife, and amazing wedding and honeymoon. The roads out there are so awesome!!! Perfect for a SC RX8. Its born for it!

As for the car in its other natural habitat. I did an airfield (auto-x style day) and had the best fun with throttle controlled deliberate oversteer, going mental it was awesome.

here is some inside footage for a some delicious "violin" supercharger whine. I love it!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO0LfBmhM1Q

well I've had mine installed for a year and 9,000 miles. No problems, and some great fun.
Jusrt passed my MOT as well, which features emissions control if people are interested.

Just got back from my wedding and Honeymoon driving about the Island of Skye and the north west coast of Scotland.

Amazing wife, and amazing wedding and honeymoon. The roads out there are so awesome!!! Perfect for a SC RX8. Its born for it!

As for the car in its other natural habitat. I did an airfield (auto-x style day) and had the best fun with throttle controlled deliberate oversteer, going mental it was awesome.

here is some inside footage for a some delicious "violin" supercharger whine. I love it!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO0LfBmhM1Q

When did you get married? I just got back from my 10th anniversary trip. Our anniversary was June 5th.

sweet vid man--enjoy that thing00helmet cam or buddy holding camera?
OD

I got married on the 24th May, and the vid was done by a friend along for a ride.....

hows that new map coming Phils
I put one up but it is not what I wanted. I just keep trying. Someday I will get it right. Being computer challanged is not fun, I know what I want but can't get it to happen.

I know what I want but can't get it to happen.

HAHA! The story of life neatly summed up by Phil!

Just some randowm RX8 google image searching,,,
found this photoshoot of the Pettit BP build,,,
http://f.imagehost.org/0459/mazda-rx8_pettit.jpg (http://f.imagehost.org/view/0459/mazda-rx8_pettit)

well I've had mine installed for a year and 9,000 miles. No problems, and some great fun.
Jusrt passed my MOT as well, which features emissions control if people are interested.

Just got back from my wedding and Honeymoon driving about the Island of Skye and the north west coast of Scotland.

Amazing wife, and amazing wedding and honeymoon. The roads out there are so awesome!!! Perfect for a SC RX8. Its born for it!

As for the car in its other natural habitat. I did an airfield (auto-x style day) and had the best fun with throttle controlled deliberate oversteer, going mental it was awesome.

here is some inside footage for a some delicious "violin" supercharger whine. I love it!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO0LfBmhM1Q

that sounds really sweet - better than my turbo i have to say

the sound is nice--and people on the outside can hear it well on track--they always commit about it afterward to me---hear it but not too loud. Turbo has a good sound too--just different.

SOmething new guys----read up about using diesel oil instead of the regular motor oil---we are starting to do that in GA--makes a lot of sense. If yall need more details I can get it too ya.
olddragger

oh and by the way if you havent already taken the knock sensor off the engine and wrapped it in foam --you may want too. its useless anyway.
olddragger

the video isn't working for me. :(

diesel oil, really?

Came across this pictures thread on ausrotary.com (great rotary resource) a few weeks ago that I thought I'd share since we're posting pics & vids..

http://www.ausrotary.com/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=169908

Those Australians seem to know their rotaries! We all know about what the Puerto-Rican's can do with the rotary, but I recently heard right from the lips of a Puerto-Rican rotary tuner setting up shop locally that they feel the same way about the Australians.

P.S. Anybody know who Ray is talking about from here in point #1 in this post: http://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php?p=3066533&postcount=267 -- Just curious.

Jesse, you could have asked me about that, and all the other stuff I mentioned, last night. The truth is that nobody on this forum really cares to have their perceptions, whatever they may be, challenged and I am not interested in making people uncomfortable just for the sake of being truthful.

P.S. Anybody know who Ray is talking about from here in point #1 in this post: http://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php?p=3066533&postcount=267 -- Just curious.

Funny stuff!

It wasn't me, however I did get turned off by BHR and have not really had any interest in buying from them, but to call it a boycott would be a little exaggerated.

Funny stuff!

It wasn't me, however I did get turned off by BHR and have not really had any interest in buying from them, but to call it a boycott would be a little exaggerated.

The feeling is mutual, Gleyner, and the term "boycott" was used by those who PM'd me with their admonitions. That was THEIR word, not mine. BTW, refusal to do business is a two-way street.

wasnt me,,, I m pretty sure I know who it was though...

Let's leave the 'boycott' discussion for another thread, this thread is to discuss the Pettit SC.

If you insist on discussing CHR or Ray by name, he is entitled to come here and defend himself.....

S

It's a non-issue, isn't it? The drama has happened, the PMs have been sent back and forth, choices have been made, and we are all happy now...... aren't we?

Let's leave the 'boycott' discussion for another thread, this thread is to discuss the Pettit SC.

If you insist on discussing CHR or Ray by name, he is entitled to come here and defend himself.....

S

That makes no sense, Im pretty sure this thread is for owners to discuss what they want, this thread is for the SC system,,, http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=122376
And besides Ray can defend himself quit fine,,,

I didnt see such a speedy repeasal when the backpressure thread turned into fuel pressure/fuel pump thread...

And besides Ray can defend himself quit fine,,,

I didn't realize I was being accused of anything against which I needed to defend myself.

Let's leave the 'boycott' discussion for another thread, this thread is to discuss the Pettit SC.

If you insist on discussing CHR or Ray by name, he is entitled to come here and defend himself.....

S

^^^^

Yeah, Greg, I saw that. I quoted you only because yours was the last post to address that particular issue. So, what am I being accused of that requires self-defense? Anybody know? I certainly don't........

Stealth is the one that turned the term from discussion to defend not me,,, Instead of focusing on the singular word the messege remains that if anyone is discussing you, your bussiness, or your colleages you are invited to discuss, defend or whatever as well...

Im not accusing you of anything,,,

Ask him...

Actually, the real issue is that "joff" linked a post of mine to this thread and that was what brought BHR into the fold here. I am not interested in continuing this particular discussion, nor do I have the time to, because I have nothing to worry about as regards how I run BHR. There are those who choose not to do business with BHR, who may choose to dislike me or certain members of my "team" on a personal level (which is fine and their choice), and so on.

Despite whatever disagreements many of us may have I still desire to be friends with whomever chooses to be friends with me around here as I recognize that e-drama is quite different than personal reality. That's just how humanity is, sometimes.:dunno:

The feeling is mutual, Gleyner, and the term "boycott" was used by those who PM'd me with their admonitions. That was THEIR word, not mine. BTW, refusal to do business is a two-way street.

I wasn't quoting you in the use of the word boycott, was just saying that boycott is not a proper term in my own decision to not buy from BHR.

Two-way street indeed.

What turned me off specifically (not just Jeff being a total asshole), was your claiming that Brice had infringed on your copyright for the ignition coil harness; a move I found quite greedy, amateur, and ignorant, but that's besides the point.

1)I wasn't quoting you in the use of the word boycott, was just saying that boycott is not a proper term in my own decision to not buy from BHR.

Two-way street indeed.

What turned me off specifically (not just Jeff being a total two-faced asshole), was your claiming that Brice had infringed on your copyright for the ignition coil harness; a move I found quite greedy and ignorant, but that's besides the point.

Two things happened with the "boycott" matter; 1) The first guy actually used the term. 2) A second, and most recent guy, tried rallying several people to not do business with BHR. By definition, that is an attempt at a "boycott". Your decision to not do biz with BHR is based on your own individual decision and I respect that.

I am glad we are both happy.:)

I admitted to having over-stated my position during the drama I started about the harnesses and I publicly apologized to Brice for that. BTW, he is not innocent on other issues for which he has never issued a "mea culpa" to BHR but that is all old news. Further, Jeff and I do have a pending-patent on those harnesses and we are about to file for the full patent. The bottom line there is that you seem to think it okay for infringements, whether legal or simply a matter of ethics and politeness, to happen and given the political discussions you and I have engaged in recently I see no contradictions on your part. Again, I respect that.

However, if developers of new product somehow come to believe that members of the RX8Club see no problem with intellectual property being exploited, and possibly stolen in the worst cases, don't be surprised when the furtherance of problem-solving and development of new product ceases around here.

140493

So how about them superchargers? I love some of the descriptions I've read and the way torque is distributed. What I want to know is what is the most power and torque that has been achieved with the Pettit SC thus far, and is Pettit working on something to deliver more?

Two things happened with the "boycott" matter; 1) The first guy actually used the term. 2) A second, and most recent guy, tried rallying several people to not do business with BHR. By definition, that is an attempt at a "boycott". Your decision to not do biz with BHR is based on your own individual decision and I respect that.

I am glad we are both happy.:)

I admitted to having over-stated my position during the drama I started about the harnesses and I publicly apologized to Brice for that. BTW, he is not innocent on other issues for which he has never issued a "mea culpa" to BHR but that is all old news. Further, Jeff and I do have a pending-patent on those harnesses and we are about to file for the full patent. The bottom line there is that you seem to think it okay for infringements, whether legal or simply a matter of ethics and politeness, to happen and given the political discussions you and I have engaged in recently I see no contradictions on your part. Again, I respect that.

However, if developers of new product somehow come to believe that members of the RX8Club see no problem with intellectual property being exploited, and possibly stolen in the worst cases, don't be surprised when the furtherance of problem-solving and development of new product ceases around here.

Well, my disappointment came from knowing that there is nothing patentable about putting together COTs components in a manner that would seem obvious to a non-expert like me. I think you have a different definition of intellectual property than the rest of the world. Otherwise I totally agree with you, but until you produce an actual instance of infringement, you're just blowing smoke up our collective asses. ::dunno::

Well, my disappointment came from knowing that there is nothing patentable about putting together COTs components in a manner that would seem obvious to a non-expert like me. I think you have a different definition of intellectual property than the rest of the world. Otherwise I totally agree with you, but until you produce an actual instance of infringement, you're just blowing smoke up our collective asses. ::dunno::

You win.

And Amemiya San did the same thing with the 8 three years ago,,,

There ya go, then.:)

I am going to unsub. I have too many patent-violating ignition systems to build and sell.

yeah for someone who is always busy you are certainly on here a whole lot...

I changed my mind on the un-sub. The drama is as compelling as an episode of "The Real World".

Like you posted elsewhere, Greg, the RX8Club IS Black Halo's website. Thus, I spend all my time marketing through it and helping others to achieve their individual goals.

I find it entertaining to see how the different factions on this website have evolved over the years . Better than any soap opera I could be watching ...

I find it entertaining to see how the different factions on this website have eviolved over the years . Better than any soap opera I could be watching ...

thats what keeps me coming on here,,,

What's more entertaining is that many of us in the middle of these arguments get together every year at SevenStock and share dinners and drinks, in a very cordial fashion. And we STILL argue! :lol2:

The tension in real-life is nowhere near what is interpreted on the forum.

BTW, Greg.... you're welcome.;)

wasnt me,,, I m pretty sure I know who it was though...

Um... Greg, not to call bullshit on this, but it actually was you. You included half a dozen people when you got pissed off at Ray because of Jeff yelling inanities at Moon. You sent a PM basically saying because of his association with Jeff you were going to be boycotting him and trying to get everyone you could to do the same. ....short term memory loss?

I don't really know whats going on in this thread, but there is a lot of misleading comments being made. If the Pettit guys want to "boycott" BHR, great... you are missing out on one of the best vendors out there. Its especially ironic because even when Ray has been fielding accusatory and insulting PMs from you in an adult and respectable fashion he has had nothing but positive things to say about the Pettit system. Take a long look in the mirror before you have a go at Ray imo.

because of Jeff yelling inanities at Moon.

Hey! I resemble that remark!

go back and read the series of post Aaron, call BS on me I dont want to ell you to F soemthing but,,, I in no way went to Ray to buy something, and I stand by that 100% I still refuse to support BHR, now can I have a normal conversation with him, yeah sure, but thanks for bring a private conversation into the public, I fully explained to Ray why I carried on PMs between he, yourself and I...
You can go F yourself for the moment(and a very temporary one at that, like Ray says we're all pretty cordial in person, but on here but you need to read up alittle more before coming in here and calling BS on me) nothing gets my blood boiling more than someone like you who is book smart and not too street savy with tools, and what not telling me how a particular conversation went when they were only there for maybe 20% of it...

Im pretty sure who sent PMs to Ray in such a manner then went to him to buy items,,,

I have only bought one thing from Ray a boost gauge, and I have to say with dissappointment that it was probably 4-5 yrs old it was all dusty and the light was well faded(orange)... I had asked for help sourcing some lug nuts, but that was well before the MM vs. Moon thread...

and what not telling me how a particular conversation went when they were only there for maybe 20% of it...

Im pretty sure who sent PMs to Ray in such a manner then went to him to buy items,,,

I'm well aware of these various conversations and it sounds to me like Aaron is right on the money. I agree the conversation wasn't about Greg wanting to buy anything but rather the threat to continue to never buy anything.

Why not just stand behind your comments Greg?

I stand by that 100% I still refuse to support BHR,.....

I have only bought one thing from Ray a boost gauge, and I have to say with dissappointment that it was probably 4-5 yrs old it was all dusty and the light was well faded(orange)... I had asked for help sourcing some lug nuts, but that was well before the MM vs. Moon thread...

Well, Greg, I can respect you standing by your opinion regardless of whether or not I like it. That is what a "real man" does and you, Sir, are a real man for that. You have a right to be upset when someone on my team offends you and you certainly had a right to contact me regarding your frustrations.

As for that gauge, had you PM'd me or called me to let me know that the gauge came to you in that condition I would have accepted a return, no questions asked, and told AutoMeter (or whichever brand it was) to send you something more acceptable. I have no control over something I don't build but it is pretty well-established that I act as advocate for my customers when they are not made 100% satisfied by the companies whose products I sell. Again, you had every right to be upset but I don't recall any contact from you about your disappointment.

Wow for a bunch or retards and hacks that like to scrutinize peoples exact words you are really missing the point, I in no way was the person who went to Ray asking if he had something in his invetory go back and read Joffs link,, , there Flash I really havent found anything you have contributed to any thread yet but keep trying,,,

As for my stance and the dicotomy between the bussiness relationship I choose with BHR and communication on a personal level between the staff, yes they are at odds, I refuse to do bussiness with BHR, now if and when I meet any of you, you wannna throw back a couple beers and shoot the shit Im all for it... And btw I received many apllause for that PM that went out,,, and it just wasnt to the people I attatched to the PMs between Ray and I,,,
You guys need rope in all the sideshows you put on and concentrate on the center ring,,, Alas again many of us can hoot and holla all we want but Ray will run his bussiness in which ever manner he sees fit...

Gotta love it RXClubDrama.com..... cheers,,,

Wow for a bunch or retards and hacks that like to scrutinize peoples exact words you are really missing the point, I in no way was the person who went to Ray asking if he had something in his invetory go back and read Joffs link,, , there Flash I really havent found anything you have contributed to any thread yet but keep trying,,,

And btw I received many apllause

Ray will run his bussiness in which ever manner he sees fit...

Gotta love it RXClubDrama.com..... cheers,,,

What IS your point?

You are aware that even the Flat Earth Society has it's supporters, yes? Consensus does not equal fact.

You are damned right about that one and I am one of the best vendors around here.

Well, Greg, I can respect you standing by your opinion regardless of whether or not I like it. That is what a "real man" does and you, Sir, are a real man for that. You have a right to be upset when someone on my team offends you and you certainly had a right to contact me regarding your frustrations.

As for that gauge, had you PM'd me or called me to let me know that the gauge came to you in that condition I would have accepted a return, no questions asked, and told AutoMeter (or whichever brand it was) to send you something more acceptable. I have no control over something I don't build but it is pretty well-established that I act as advocate for my customers when they are not made 100% satisfied by the companies whose products I sell. Again, you had every right to be upset but I don't recall any contact from you about your disappointment.

Thats funny Ray because I specifically remember you calling me an immature child who didnt know shit, but you and I both know we have smoothed over that speed bump...

Wow, I post great MAF readings and the threads goes to the toilet.

Man I too reall yhave some work to do but I find myself glued to my screen with anticipation glaring at the Refresh button, lol,,,
I think secretly we all revel in this stuff,,, as menial as it is,,,

Thats funny Ray because I specifically remember you calling me an immature child who didnt know shit, but you and I both know we have smoothed over that speed bump...

I stand by THAT comment and I did what I could to "smooth over" things but apparently you haven't.

Hey! I resemble that remark!

:lol: - my father used to say that a lot . Always got a chuckle

Thats quit a bold claim and contradiction there huh???
I think its pretty evident that the post here in the last hr between yourself and I reflect that I am more than willing to converse with you in a polite yet critical manner, I have indeed gotten over it, but again find myself having to defend my persona, for what reason Im still really not sure on, from the aggressive attitudes from the peanut gallery...
And I do know alot of shit just not the very selective niche you have dabbled and concentrated in.

...there Flash I really havent found anything you have contributed to any thread yet but keep trying,,,


My contributions to the rotary community don't always exist on this forum, although the ones which have I have since removed because I feel in the capitalistic viewpoint of being compensated for my efforts. Believe me, the advances and innovations which I have contributed to regarding the RX8 are not something I openly champion because I'm simply not that shallow.

ClubDrama-------- end Threadjack

Back to your regularly scheduled program...

Thats quit a bold claim and contradiction there huh???
I think its pretty evident that the post here in the last hr between yourself and I reflect that I am more than willing to converse with you in a polite yet critical manner, I have indeed gotten over it, but again find myself having to defend my persona, for what reason Im still really not sure on, from the aggressive attitudes from the peanut gallery...
And I do know alot of shit just not the very selective niche you have dabbled and concentrated in.

The truth is overshadowed by your vanity. You, Like Bastage, have beaten me and I stand a humbled man.

ha... humbled,,, maybe up until a few months ago,,,

yeah am I confidnent in what I know and dont know yeah, do I love talking to people about what I know, hellz yeah, I think we all do, but vain, hardly...

I do believe we are both trying to take the high road here, but keep getting tangled in each others language..

You can go F yourself for the moment(and a very temporary one at that, like Ray says we're all pretty cordial in person, but on here but you need to read up alittle more before coming in here and calling BS on me) nothing gets my blood boiling more than someone like you who is book smart and not too street savy with tools, and what not telling me how a particular conversation went when they were only there for maybe 20% of it...


Greg, you have to be out of your goddamn mind to talk to me that way. I absolutely dare you to say a single line of that to my face. Don't take my otherwise laid back nature to mean that I will let someone treat me with that disrespect.

I posted my comment because I don't feel it is especially truthful to say other than you had threatened to boycott Ray. I didn't say it in a hurtful or confrontational way however, because until about 20 seconds ago I thought we respected each other... you need to check yourself kid. Get your shit together and start acting like an adult or we are going to have more than words. Do I make myself clear?

Look Aaron, from your post I can see that you still havent gotten your facts straight here,,, Ray was being very specific and to say that Im the only one to 'boycott' his products is an understatement, it just seems you know myself to be the sole holder of that title,,, so as far as being the person who saught insight into Rays inventory , tis was not me. You assuming it was and then calling BS on me , Check yourself!!!your mistake,,,
Yes my wording, I admit was over confontational and aggressive, for that I apologize, but in no way change my stance...
It seems you and I have very simular personalities in certain circumstances,,, when pushed we push back and hard, but by no means was this a call to arms,,,
I do respect you thats why I found so completely offensive that you would jump into the fray without having all the facts, this is what spurred my reaction, No you and I will never get to that point, we know far to little about eachother for it to really come to fistacuffs,,,

Look Aaron, from your post I can see that you still havent gotten your facts straight here,,, Ray was being very specific and to say that Im the only one to 'boycott' his products is an understatement, it just seems you know myself to be the sole holder of that title,,, so as far as being the person who saught insight into Rays inventory , tis was not me. You assuming it was and then calling BS on me , Check yourself!!!your mistake,,,
Yes my wording, I admit was over confontational and aggressive, for that I apologize, but in no way change my stance...
It seems you and I have very simular personalities in certain circumstances,,, when pushed we push back and hard, but by no means was this a call to arms,,,
I do respect you thats why I found so completely offensive that you would jump into the fray without having all the facts, this is what spurred my reaction, No you and I will never get to that point, we know far to little about eachother for it to really come to fistacuffs,,,

Number one, I never -EVER- said that you were the only person to boycott Ray. I know for a fact that at least 3 people have done so. The only one that I have been personally included in the PM thread however was from you. I found it a little odd you made a comment about "knowing who it might have been" when you yourself just sent that PM a month ago. I also never said anything about Ray's inventory. You are reading a hell of a lot into my comments that I didn't say in the slightest.

That being said, I'm going to let you know flat out... if you ever say shit like that again, you can consider our friendship done. I do not tolerate that type of disrespect from anyone. I understand you have a temper and a tendancy to leap before you look sometimes.... but do not make the mistake that I will let that shit pass by. You may think we will never disolve into "fistacuffs" but if you had said that last post to me in person they would be peeling your ass off the sidewalk. Don't fuck with me Greg.

I'm done with this thread.

Lets backtrack for a minute here,,,
Original statement,,,
1) Jeff's own less-than-ideal version of diplomacy with the Pettit S/C crowd was what brought about that rule, but you probably already knew that. It might be interesting to note, J, that every April/May I receive at least one PM from a Pettit S/C owner pledging to boycott BHR, simply because MM is part of the BHR team, and they claim to represent ALL Pettit owners. What is MOST interesting is that the one person who led two of the three "boycotts" recently PM'd me wanting/needing stuff I have in my inventory.

^^^^ Not me,,, I have my assumptions but I assure you I have not inquired anything from Ray since that exchange of PMs,,,

Came across this pictures thread on ausrotary.com (great rotary resource) a few weeks ago that I thought I'd share since we're posting pics & vids..

http://www.ausrotary.com/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=169908

Those Australians seem to know their rotaries! We all know about what the Puerto-Rican's can do with the rotary, but I recently heard right from the lips of a Puerto-Rican rotary tuner setting up shop locally that they feel the same way about the Australians.

P.S. Anybody know who Ray is talking about from here in point #1 in this post: http://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php?p=3066533&postcount=267 -- Just curious.

wasnt me,,, I m pretty sure I know who it was though...

It's a non-issue, isn't it? The drama has happened, the PMs have been sent back and forth, choices have been made, and we are all happy now...... aren't we?

Two things happened with the "boycott" matter; 1) The first guy actually used the term. 2) A second, and most recent guy, tried rallying several people to not do business with BHR. By definition, that is an attempt at a "boycott". Your decision to not do biz with BHR is based on your own individual decision and I respect that.



Bold, guy #1.) me!!! although I never used the 'word' spcifically the messege was there.
guy #2) not me,,,, this is the person that I feel the majority of the discussion revolved around until it go toutta hand,,,
EDIT- #2 is me but somewhow the part about the 'invetory was chopped,,,, It seems among the confusion Ray beleived that I inquired about a product of his,,,
Um... Greg, not to call bullshit on this, but it actually was you. You included half a dozen people when you got pissed off at Ray because of Jeff yelling inanities at Moon. You sent a PM basically saying because of his association with Jeff you were going to be boycotting him and trying to get everyone you could to do the same. ....short term memory loss?

I don't really know whats going on in this thread, but there is a lot of misleading comments being made. If the Pettit guys want to "boycott" BHR, great... you are missing out on one of the best vendors out there. Its especially ironic because even when Ray has been fielding accusatory and insulting PMs from you in an adult and respectable fashion he has had nothing but positive things to say about the Pettit system. Take a long look in the mirror before you have a go at Ray imo.

You calling my BS then goin on to say already know and clearly understood statements about Ray position about the SC, not sure what that has to do with anything,,,

go back and read the series of post Aaron, call BS on me I dont want to ell you to F soemthing but,,, I in no way went to Ray to buy something, and I stand by that 100% I still refuse to support BHR, now can I have a normal conversation with him, yeah sure, but thanks for bring a private conversation into the public, I fully explained to Ray why I carried on PMs between he, yourself and I...
You can go F yourself for the moment(and a very temporary one at that, like Ray says we're all pretty cordial in person, but on here but you need to read up alittle more before coming in here and calling BS on me) nothing gets my blood boiling more than someone like you who is book smart and not too street savy with tools, and what not telling me how a particular conversation went when they were only there for maybe 20% of it...

Im pretty sure who sent PMs to Ray in such a manner then went to him to buy items,,,

I have only bought one thing from Ray a boost gauge, and I have to say with dissappointment that it was probably 4-5 yrs old it was all dusty and the light was well faded(orange)... I had asked for help sourcing some lug nuts, but that was well before the MM vs. Moon thread...

My reply yada yada yada...

Well, Greg, I can respect you standing by your opinion regardless of whether or not I like it. That is what a "real man" does and you, Sir, are a real man for that. You have a right to be upset when someone on my team offends you and you certainly had a right to contact me regarding your frustrations.

As for that gauge, had you PM'd me or called me to let me know that the gauge came to you in that condition I would have accepted a return, no questions asked, and told AutoMeter (or whichever brand it was) to send you something more acceptable. I have no control over something I don't build but it is pretty well-established that I act as advocate for my customers when they are not made 100% satisfied by the companies whose products I sell. Again, you had every right to be upset but I don't recall any contact from you about your disappointment.

Ray and I aggree to disaggree but as of yet no threats,,,

Greg, you have to be out of your goddamn mind to talk to me that way. I absolutely dare you to say a single line of that to my face. Don't take my otherwise laid back nature to mean that I will let someone treat me with that disrespect.

I posted my comment because I don't feel it is especially truthful to say other than you had threatened to boycott Ray. I didn't say it in a hurtful or confrontational way however, because until about 20 seconds ago I thought we respected each other... you need to check yourself kid. Get your shit together and start acting like an adult or we are going to have more than words. Do I make myself clear?

You threatening me ,,,, which has not fallen upon deaf ears,,,

Look Aaron, from your post I can see that you still havent gotten your facts straight here,,, Ray was being very specific and to say that Im the only one to 'boycott' his products is an understatement, it just seems you know myself to be the sole holder of that title,,, so as far as being the person who saught insight into Rays inventory , tis was not me. You assuming it was and then calling BS on me , Check yourself!!!your mistake,,,
Yes my wording, I admit was over confontational and aggressive, for that I apologize, but in no way change my stance...
It seems you and I have very simular personalities in certain circumstances,,, when pushed we push back and hard, but by no means was this a call to arms,,,
I do respect you thats why I found so completely offensive that you would jump into the fray without having all the facts, this is what spurred my reaction, No you and I will never get to that point, we know far to little about eachother for it to really come to fistacuffs,,,

Me trying to explain to you again the inititial coversation IMO did not center around me,,,

Number one, I never -EVER- said that you were the only person to boycott Ray. I know for a fact that at least 3 people have done so. The only one that I have been personally included in the PM thread however was from you. I found it a little odd you made a comment about "knowing who it might have been" when you yourself just sent that PM a month ago. I also never said anything about Ray's inventory. You are reading a hell of a lot into my comments that I didn't say in the slightest.

That being said, I'm going to let you know flat out... if you ever say shit like that again, you can consider our friendship done. I do not tolerate that type of disrespect from anyone. I understand you have a temper and a tendancy to leap before you look sometimes.... but do not make the mistake that I will let that shit pass by. You may think we will never disolve into "fistacuffs" but if you had said that last post to me in person they would be peeling your ass off the sidewalk. Don't fuck with me Greg.

I'm done with this thread.

And you threatening me again,,,
Which again not taken lightly but we all alittle hyped up right now,,, soo whatever,,,

Lets backtrack for a minute here,,,
Original statement,,,
1) Jeff's own less-than-ideal version of diplomacy with the Pettit S/C crowd was what brought about that rule, but you probably already knew that. It might be interesting to note, J, that every April/May I receive at least one PM from a Pettit S/C owner pledging to boycott BHR, simply because MM is part of the BHR team, and they claim to represent ALL Pettit owners. What is MOST interesting is that the one person who led two of the three "boycotts" recently PM'd me wanting/needing stuff I have in my inventory.

^^^^ Not me,,, I have my assumptions but I assure you I have not inquired anything from Ray since that exchange of PMs,,,

You calling my BS then goin on to say already know and clearly understood statements about Ray position about the SC, not sure what that has to do with anything,,,

My reply yada yada yada...

Ray and I aggree to disaggree but as of yet no threats,,,

You threatening me ,,,, which has not fallen upon deaf ears,,,


Me trying to explain to you again the inititial coversation IMO did not center around me,,,


And you threatening me again,,,
Which again not taken lightly but we all alittle hyped up right now,,, soo whatever,,,

I was not saying at any point that the person who was calling up and asking about Ray's inventory was you. If that is the miscommunication here then I'll clarify. My comment was specifically saying that the person that said they would boycott (ie person number 1!!) was you. I know who the other person is for what its worth.

You telling me to fuck myself and then saying I'm not savy with tools? I mean, wtf does that have to do with anything besides provoking a fight? For starters, unlike a lot of people on this forum I make no illusions about the depth of my rotary knowledge or tool skills making that a rather pointless attack. Beyond that, I know its easy to feel internet tough guy on here, but I can't believe you would ever tell me to fuck myself in person. My threats were not intended to fall on deaf ears. I don't ever want to be treated that way again. If I didn't make myself clear on my original point I apologize, but if you think that gives you ANY right to act that way you are sadly mistaken.

I think we have awkwardly arrived at the same conclusion here,,, I think this has exhasusted itself, I previously apologized, for my aggression, if you would like to take this further lets do so offline, you have my number, I am more than willing to talk to you about anything you want,,,

This sort of shit is the perfect example why none of them should be posting here.

As I have said before, this board/thread needs a Flame thread.

:puke:

lol

This sort of shit is the perfect example why none of them should be posting here.

"Them"?
I don't see any of "them" yelling at you or each other.

thats a pretty funny avi there Aaron considering your the throwing threats around...

I wouldnt not be surprised IF Jeff put a "bug" in someones tune just because they irritated him in spme way. I wouldnt be surprised at all.

You do understand what you just did with that comment, right?

i believe he implied that your character is in question along with your ethics.

lol. this thread is awesome.

If your conjecturing about slander than there is a wealth of evidence on here to speak to your character

i know, there's all those web seminars, hellpful tips, comedic interludes, and titties.

I don't think I've ever pulled any punches on Jeff either... In fact, I've been one of the lead people in several mobs carrying torches headed to his house on more than a few occasions. Olddragger, I agree absolutely that Jeff says a lot of bullshit. I don't agree with that, his attitude or his intentional choices to pick fights with people. However, whatever anybody else may think, this is not a Them vs. Us debate between BHR collectively vs. who? Pettit? I don't think I could BE more positive about the benefits of the Pettit system in the threads I post in. I do my damnedest to avoid intentionally pissing people off, and my comment earlier in here was NOT an attack on Greg despite his impression otherwise.

Aight this is getting outta hand quick,,,

dude, if i was him, i would kick your old ass. you don't say that about someone without some good solid reason for saying it. what you've posted there only shows that MM has the interest of the car at heart. if you took offense to it, that's a personal issue you should maybe work out with your psychologist or family member.
moreover, you're messing with a man's business and livelihood.
the bigger man here pm'd you.
just calling it like i see it.

blackenwings---Good to know and that is what I was thinking--appreciate it and i agree it is not Pettit thing at all. Pettit could give a crap less about what happens on this forum.
I also agree its ok to have some disagreements--heck even family's have those--its when the respect is very obviously thrown out the window and an almost "troll" mentality develops. In a way :he that cant be named" is just a schoolyard bully.
olddragger

Absolutely. The bottom line for me is that I will call people out on stuff if I feel its deserved. I expect the same thing. If I'm talking out of my ass and someone who knows more corrects me, I don't have a problem with that. I will on occasion call out people who I'm friends with on something I think they aren't being honest with, or are laying on a bit thick. My comment earlier about the boycott PM was intended for that reason alone. It wasn't a personal attack or intended to throw someone under the bus.

I catagorically refuse to be considered a BHR fanboi, because I don't agree with all the decisions all the members of that crew make, and I'm not shy about disagreeing with them. That being said, I tend to stick up for Ray and defend him because I've had such a positive experience with him. He has taken so much time out of his day to help me with my car, either learning the mechanics and tools... which as Rotr8 pointed out so succinctly I'm not so great with... or the parts and pieces I need to build the car that I want to see made.

I've had mixed experiences with Jeff... I value his knowledge, and in private conversations with him get along quite well. That sure as hell doesn't mean I'm going to agree or support when he deliberately insults, picks fights with, or undermines other people in the community. He doesn't seem offended when I disagree with him on those points either.

Absolutely. The bottom line for me is that I will call people out on stuff if I feel its deserved. I expect the same thing. If I'm talking out of my ass and someone who knows more corrects me, I don't have a problem with that. I will on occasion call out people who I'm friends with on something I think they aren't being honest with, or are laying on a bit thick. My comment earlier about the boycott PM was intended for that reason alone. It wasn't a personal attack or intended to throw someone under the bus.

I catagorically refuse to be considered a BHR fanboi, because I don't agree with all the decisions all the members of that crew make, and I'm not shy about disagreeing with them. That being said, I tend to stick up for Ray and defend him because I've had such a positive experience with him. He has taken so much time out of his day to help me with my car, either learning the mechanics and tools... which as Rotr8 pointed out so succinctly I'm not so great with... or the parts and pieces I need to build the car that I want to see made.

I've had mixed experiences with Jeff... I value his knowledge, and in private conversations with him get along quite well. That sure as hell doesn't mean I'm going to agree or support when he deliberately insults, picks fights with, or undermines other people in the community. He doesn't seem offended when I disagree with him on those points either.

you certainly had a problem when I called you out when you misread/misqouted me, I knew what I was saying, Ray knew what he was saying, for you to come into the convo mis representing the point of the, ATM, soon to be discussion certainly showed a lack in gathering the facts lining them up and recognizing that I was not the one Ray was emphazing(the person that inquired about BHRs product line) if Ray did not state that correctly then we are both at fault, myself for outragously yelling at you, and you for misreading the initial conversation. I was being honest, Ray was being honest, I think even though you may ahve read differently you were being honest, Im not really sure what to say to you to make you understand that for the third time,,,,
IF you think my apology was not genuine then you are misreading again,,,

This drama is all fun to read and what not...

-Sarcasm-

I don't fully know what's going on. I don't fully know the complete history. I've read a lot on the forum; I have an idea. But all in all it doesn't matter for a second.

All of you gentlemen need to stop getting so butt hurt over who said who and who said what. From what I have seen on all of my individual conversations and transactions with all of you is you are all outstanding members of this club and you all contribute a tremendous amount in your own capacities. Jeff, I never personally dealt with you, but I probably will in the future. All I know is this is all a little childish and I don't like seeing it. Greg has helped me, and the work he has done to his car has inspired me. OD has posted a lot of useful information I have learned from, second only to Old Rotor. Ray has personally helped me and his professional manner from what I have seen has impressed me. And everyone else has contributed to this forum in a positive manner. So all of this banter, needs to get buried, imo.

Get back to the topic at hand.

Rote8, great graph on the MAF reading. Impressive.
OD, you mentioned something about diesel? Why and what?

He threatened me with that slander BS over PMs once, but what you said is no more slanderous than his accusation that Bill stole his shitty NA tune, or had someone purposely buy his shitty NA tune so they could reverse engineer it. The fact is, they were flash tuning supercharged RX-8s before Jeffy even had an accessport in his hands, and he's just saying that to make his work seem more important than it really is.

Oh, and with his attitude and how he himself has stated that he hates his customers, I wouldn't be surprised either :dunno:

And these entertaining posts would not be possible if the BHR folks just stayed out of the Pettit threads. :)

i believe he implied that your character is in question along with your ethics.


Well, that too.

No, I was referring to this:


If you insist on discussing CHR or Ray by name, he is entitled to come here and defend himself.....

S

So, quod insisto.

If your conjecturing about slander than there is a wealth of evidence on here to speak to your character

I challenge you to find one instance - any at all - that could ever be credibly asserted as evidence that I would intentionally harm or willingly allow harm to come any customer's property.
No matter what you believe about me or how you judge my "character" (something that you are completely unqualified to do, anyway), I would NEVER intentionally damage someone's property - certainly not that of someone that has willingly given me their trust or, more pertinently, their business.


and --guess what --I am entitled to post my opinion--

As am I. So you had better get over being challenged on it.


Further more do not send me pm's again--post it in the open --like a real man.
olddragger

I sent you a PM as a courtesy, not a dodge. I'd gladly meet you head-to-head in any surrounding you please - out in public.
I was just giving you the rare opportunity to avoid making (in public) a complete ass of yourself again.
How about you stop misleading people with your ill-founded conclusions - like a "real" man.

Well, that too.

No, I was referring to this:



So, quod insisto.



I challenge you to find one instance - any at all - that could ever be credibly asserted as evidence that I would intentionally harm or willingly allow harm to come any customer's property.
No matter what you believe about me or how you judge my "character" (something that you are completely unqualified to do, anyway), I would NEVER intentionally damage someone's property - certainly not that of someone that has willingly given me their trust or, more pertinently, their business.



As am I. So you had better get over being challenged on it.




I sent you a PM as a courtesy, not a dodge. I'd gladly meet you head-to-head in any surrounding you please - out in public.
I was just giving you the rare opportunity to avoid making (in public) a complete ass of yourself again.
How about you stop misleading people with your ill-founded conclusions - like a "real" man.

Take your own advice for once.

Don't accuse people of stealing your tunes when you and everyone else knows they have no need to do it. Don't accuse people of breaking federal patent laws when you and most people with a brain know there is nothing patentable about that ignition harness. Quit making shit up (misleading people?) about other vendors' products so people will buy yours instead.

Why don't you compete honestly and openly with others instead of trying to intimidate people out of the RX-8 business? To put it in simple terms, quit being such a dick :)

this isn't my fight, but wth, i've got a buzz going.
dude you say it is ok for a forum member to call me any name he wants(and by the way what i was saying in my posts had a lot of truth in it --go read the thread and see what others had to say also) discredit whatever reputation i have and the work i have done for the community---and its OK?
whether or not you're correct about things MM disputes isn't at issue here.
i read him in those posts as challenging you to back up your assertions with more than just experience (experience which i respect).
sticks and stones ...


Please just take just a minute to read what i wrote. I never accused him of doing anything. What I said was
"I wouldnt be surprised IF".
And he MAY--he MAY not--but IF he did I wouldnt be surprised.

that's weak.
So I need a psychiatrist for defending myself? Ok thats your opinion no, mean jokingly that you need a psychiatrist to help you with your habit of taking offense to people saying essentially, "you're wrong, grandpa" (he's just calling you out for debate), and perhaps you also need one to help with your perversions.
--but remember it works both ways.that's disgusting. :lol2:

This sort of shit is the perfect example why none of them should be posting here.

This comment above is great, thanks for helping me make my point here Bastage.

What is so interesting to me is how this little community of RX8 owners have managed to corner themselves off from the rest of the community based on a single common factor which is a part on your car. The fact that any of you might somehow feel that having this common element entitles you to some kind of protection against the things you say is arrogant and ignorant...a deadly combination.

Bastage, you've made your opinion about our ignition harness quite clear and Ray has gone above and beyond to point out the fact that he apologized for his over zealousness. However, it's clear to me that you've never had an experience where someone else has taken credit and or benefitted directly from your hard work while you get nothing.

Suppose I "reverse enginner" the Pettit supercharger and then sell it myself for profit. Suppose, even worse, I recreate every possible element of the supercharger and sell it as my own despite it being a carbon copy? Would that be allowable as well? Anyone who has invested time, energy and money into product delevopment would understand the frustration of having that work negated by someone else selling the same thing re-badged.

Fortunatly, a learning lesson came out of our harness situation. We learned that the quality and attention to detail cannot be duplicated because it's only found here at BHR. We learned that our ignition kit and every other product we make or have manufactured has every possible detail addressed.

If you all wish to boycott BHR then you have that right. However, don't expect your opinions to go unchallanged and downright slanderous statements to go without notice.

OD,

I understand we all thrive in environments where we can hug and get along, but honestly you have to make a decision regarding your own statements as well. You simply cannot expect to express opinions or make any posts and not have any disagreement. There are no feel good rules which say we all have to get along.

It's a simple philosophy...if you don't want to be judged then don't put yourself in the position to be judged IE don't post anything. If you cannot take the heat, stay out of the kitchen...etc etc etc.

The purpose of forums like this includes discourse. The challanging of ideas and holding people accountable for their information means most of the BS gets filtered out.

Don't accuse people of stealing your tunes when you and everyone else knows they have no need to do it. Quit making shit up (misleading people?) about other vendors' products so people will buy yours instead.


This is a fantastic example. Care to share with us which products your referring to?

How do you know MazdaManiac's tunes are "crappy"? Have you or others you know illegally hacked these tunes and observed them? What possible basis could you have for your statements?

Do you honestly believe that Pettit or anyone else would pass up the opportunity to have control of 90%+ of the Cobb accessPORT market? I doubt anyone would give up the amount of money that exists there.

In closing, I'd like to continue to make a point which was made in another thread that involved all this. Before judging BHR as a vendor, consider the following questions. What other vendor offers daily technical assistance to new and existing RX8 customers on a daily basis? What vendor provides real solutions to the problems of the RX8 on a regular basis? What vendor has contribed to the development of ignition parts, radiators, clutches and flywheels, nitrous, turbos, tuning solutions and continues to do so daily?

I await your answers.

Don't accuse people of stealing your tunes when you and everyone else knows they have no need to do it.

I don't know (or care) what "everybody else" knows.
I provided calibrations to an individual in West Palm Beach that purchased an AccessPORT on March 1st from me. That individual inadvertently provided me with the information about his relationship with Bill.
Then, on or about March 20th, I was provided with a calibration that was being utilized by EFIDudes (in Lake Park - only 7 miles from the "customer") and offered as their own that was a copy of my calibration that had been altered (and unlocked) and ported for their brick.
Unfortunately, they failed to remove the text fields in the data dump that contained my copyright information and warning. So, its not an accusation and, as I mentioned earlier, it just doesn't matter anymore because the situation sorted itself out quite nicely.

Quit making shit up (misleading people?) about other vendors' products so people will buy yours instead.

Shouldn't that read: "Quit making shit (and informing people) about other vendor's products so that they will be able to get what they paid for in the first place."


Why don't you compete honestly and openly with others instead of trying to intimidate people out of the RX-8 business?

This is even more laughable.
For the most part, we have been the only vendor that has operated honestly and openly. Everyone else depends on their version of magic to convince their poor customers to stick with their products.
I would never want a competitor to go out of the RX-8 business. What would I then have to compare my efforts to?

hahahaha, this is the stupidest thing i've read on this forum so far. all you grown men need to calm down and realize what you're arguing about. i have never seen a car forum that complains so much about the dumbest shit. seriously, WTF guys!?!?

i don't know all the details and petty shit, but seriously, you guys need to stop. bottom line is, it's over car parts. sounds so retarded to me when you guys start attacking each other over materialistic things. no disrespect to anyone when i say this but, SHUT THE FUCK UP. it's getting old.

more drama on this forum than TNT.

i don't know all the details and petty shit, but seriously, you guys need to stop.

Why? Are you not entertained?
Is it stressing you out?

Why? Are you not entertained?
Is it stressing you out?

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I'm freaking out....MAN!:lol::lol:

naw, not really entertained at all. i'm a simple guy, so when i see people bickering, it bothers me. you guys are all great people. i know some of you personally and even got to meet some of you face to face. i don't understand why you guys get so wound up about this stuff and start to personally attack each other. it's not like your wives/gf's are at stake here!!!

what i don't get is why people get so angry over car parts. there isn't anything guaranteed in the aftermarket world. you take a big risk when you start to modify your car, so in that sense, you cannot blame! customer service is a different story, taking too long for a response, or whatever can be something to be pissed off about. just leave it professional, don't bring in personal attacks, that's all i'm saying.

i've dealt with mazsport, racing beat, mazdamaniac, jic, the list goes on and on. i've had good and bad experience with everyone of them. you just can't get 100% satisfaction everytime.

i don't know if i made any sense right now (it's fucking late and i'm sobering up). so i'm going to stop and hope that you guys can chill out a bit. goodnight ladies, i got work in the morning ;)

this STILL going on !!!! what fun LOL

This comment above is great, thanks for helping me make my point here Bastage.

What is so interesting to me is how this little community of RX8 owners have managed to corner themselves off from the rest of the community based on a single common factor which is a part on your car. The fact that any of you might somehow feel that having this common element entitles you to some kind of protection against the things you say is arrogant and ignorant...a deadly combination.


The rule (created in honor of your MazdaManiac) that's supposed to keep vendors out of here. "Deadly?" If I were a legalese-pussy like some of your closest friends I would perceive that as a threat!

Don't understand where you're coming from on the arrogant and ignorant statement, as we're not the ones coming to your camp and trying to piss on our flagpole.

BTW:

8. No vendor may post in another vendor's thread if that thread is about the vendors product and permission has not be given as stated above.


Bastage, you've made your opinion about our ignition harness quite clear and Ray has gone above and beyond to point out the fact that he apologized for his over zealousness. However, it's clear to me that you've never had an experience where someone else has taken credit and or benefitted directly from your hard work while you get nothing.

Not an opinion, actually a FACT. Learn a little bit about patent law. If you call putting some wires and connectors together hard work, then you have no idea what hard work really is. Any sweatshop in the world can put those ignition wires together properly, and for a lot less than what you guys are charging, I'm sure.


Suppose I "reverse enginner" the Pettit supercharger and then sell it myself for profit. Suppose, even worse, I recreate every possible element of the supercharger and sell it as my own despite it being a carbon copy? Would that be allowable as well? Anyone who has invested time, energy and money into product delevopment would understand the frustration of having that work negated by someone else selling the same thing re-badged.


Knock yourself out! Although I think that's quite a bit different than putting together a few wires using COTS components, so you may have some problems. There are several parts in the kit that are not COTS.

What you're proposing sounds an awful lot like what MM does with the Greddy Turbo kit anyways, so you may have some experience there :)


Fortunatly, a learning lesson came out of our harness situation. We learned that the quality and attention to detail cannot be duplicated because it's only found here at BHR. We learned that our ignition kit and every other product we make or have manufactured has every possible detail addressed.


Another !@#$ing BHR commercial, anyone else getting tired of these? Why are they the only vendor that's constantly patting themselves on the back? Is there a way we can change the channel or fast forward through these?

BTW, it is impossible to keep track of every detail, especially when you're just repackaging/reselling products. Do you have an employee at the GM Ignition Coil factory that inspects each component at every point of its product?


If you all wish to boycott BHR then you have that right. However, don't expect your opinions to go unchallanged and downright slanderous statements to go without notice.

OD,

I understand we all thrive in environments where we can hug and get along, but honestly you have to make a decision regarding your own statements as well. You simply cannot expect to express opinions or make any posts and not have any disagreement. There are no feel good rules which say we all have to get along.

It's a simple philosophy...if you don't want to be judged then don't put yourself in the position to be judged IE don't post anything. If you cannot take the heat, stay out of the kitchen...etc etc etc.

The purpose of forums like this includes discourse. The challanging of ideas and holding people accountable for their information means most of the BS gets filtered out.



The problem is, OD didn't sign up to get insulted by your buddy Jeff. There's nothing wrong with discourse/challenging ideas, but when you have someone with the maturity of a 4th grader involved, the conversation devolves quite rapidly into insults. Why is OD expected to be the only one to NOT take things personally? Why does HE have to be the bigger man? !@#$ that. If he wants to call Jeff an asshole, he has every right to :)


This is a fantastic example. Care to share with us which products your referring to?

Um, reread this entire thread, I'm sure there are at least 10x examples of Jeff making shit up about this supercharger kit. Also see any other FI kit producer's threads, I'm sure Esmeril's folks have had a few clashes with him, as has Fluid.


How do you know MazdaManiac's tunes are "crappy"? Have you or others you know illegally hacked these tunes and observed them? What possible basis could you have for your statements?


It's a figure of speech, kind of like I'm responding to your crappy post. My point was, no one at Pettit or EFI Dude respects Jeff enough to give two shits about what he puts in a tune. It's not rocket science; that requires half a brain. Tuning an RX-8 doesn't. All it requires is a little time and patience to learn.


Do you honestly believe that Pettit or anyone else would pass up the opportunity to have control of 90%+ of the Cobb accessPORT market? I doubt anyone would give up the amount of money that exists there.


Frankly, I doubt it's very much money all things considered. So yes I do believe Pettit would pass up the opportunity to have control of 90% of the Cobb accessPort market (as long as you are talking RX-8s). Unless you have a huge company like Cobb to do all the R&D and build the device (for many different car models), it's not cost effective. The part that Jeff does is the easy part, seriously. All the real engineering is in the AP itself. Which is why your assertion here is completely pointless.


In closing, I'd like to continue to make a point which was made in another thread that involved all this. Before judging BHR as a vendor, consider the following questions. What other vendor offers daily technical assistance to new and existing RX8 customers on a daily basis? What vendor provides real solutions to the problems of the RX8 on a regular basis? What vendor has contribed to the development of ignition parts, radiators, clutches and flywheels, nitrous, turbos, tuning solutions and continues to do so daily?

I await your answers.

And in closing, another BHR commercial! Classic!

I love how when people see disagreement it's automatically labled as "drama".

Drama is fighting or arguing without a purpose or simply to cause problems. I don't think any of that is happening here. If you can't handle a debate or an argument then simply stay out.

what i don't get is why people get so angry over car parts

Well, let's see...when the sale of car parts leads directly to being able to put a roof over your head, feed and provide for your family and get the things you want in life then it becomes a big deal wouldn't you say?

This isn't pointless bickering, it's a means of making sure that lies don't take place of the truth.

Bastage,

I might correct you on your interperation of the #8 vendor rule. The actual vendor themselves would have to have started the thread. You can't simply make a thread about X product and bar other vendors from commenting.

Thanks for the various personal insults to myself and my team.

I don't know (or care) what "everybody else" knows.
I provided calibrations to an individual in West Palm Beach that purchased an AccessPORT on March 1st from me. That individual inadvertently provided me with the information about his relationship with Bill.
Then, on or about March 20th, I was provided with a calibration that was being utilized by EFIDudes (in Lake Park - only 7 miles from the "customer") and offered as their own that was a copy of my calibration that had been altered (and unlocked) and ported for their brick.
Unfortunately, they failed to remove the text fields in the data dump that contained my copyright information and warning. So, its not an accusation and, as I mentioned earlier, it just doesn't matter anymore because the situation sorted itself out quite nicely.



If only you could/would be able to prove that! Of course it doesn't matter anymore :)


Shouldn't that read: "Quit making shit (and informing people) about other vendor's products so that they will be able to get what they paid for in the first place."

This is even more laughable.
For the most part, we have been the only vendor that has operated honestly and openly. Everyone else depends on their version of magic to convince their poor customers to stick with their products.
I would never want a competitor to go out of the RX-8 business. What would I then have to compare my efforts to?

Yeah, so it wasn't disingenuous to claim that Fluid was violating federal patent laws? You weren't trying to strongarm him into stopping his selling of the ignition harness? The B.S. as astounding

this isn't my fight, but wth


It is now. Welcome to the fray.


thanks for helping me make my point here Bastage


You have no idea just how funny this was. My wife's starting to get a little upset with me here, but I just have to tell you that I told her earlier this discussion would eventually end with somebody saying "Thanks for proving my point" Luckily, nobody's drawn the inevitable analogy to Hitler yet though. :lol:

Reputation management is a bitch though isn't it?

So far, BHR has scored 39 points against the Pettit customers since I started this in the Turbo backpressure thread and Pettit has yet to enter the arena. Can we stop now or must somebody from BHR have to get one last post in to finish up the game with 40 points? Rest assured, there will be future contests to be played out here.


I await your answers.


Nobody please respond to Flashwing's troll. D'oh too late.

Pretty soon we'll all be on the floor laughing at the absurdity of all this.:lol:

I love how when people see disagreement it's automatically labled as "drama".

Drama is fighting or arguing without a purpose or simply to cause problems. I don't think any of that is happening here. If you can't handle a debate or an argument then simply stay out.



Well, let's see...when the sale of car parts leads directly to being able to put a roof over your head, feed and provide for your family and get the things you want in life then it becomes a big deal wouldn't you say?

This isn't pointless bickering, it's a means of making sure that lies don't take place of the truth.

Bastage,

I might correct you on your interperation of the #8 vendor rule. The actual vendor themselves would have to have started the thread. You can't simply make a thread about X product and bar other vendors from commenting.


It's in Pettit's forum.

Thanks for the various personal insults to myself and my team.

If you were actually insulted, my sincerest apologies, but then again you guys really shouldn't be posting in here anyway. :dunno:

You did call us arrogant and ignorant first though (not that I care).

It is now. Welcome to the fray.



You have no idea just how funny this was. My wife's starting to get a little upset with me here, but I just have to tell you that I told her earlier this discussion would eventually end with somebody saying "Thanks for proving my point" Luckily, nobody's drawn the inevitable analogy to Hitler yet though. :lol:

Reputation management is a bitch though isn't it?

So far, BHR has scored 39 points against the Pettit customers since I started this in the Turbo backpressure thread and Pettit has yet to enter the arena. Can we stop now or must somebody from BHR have to get one last post in to finish up the game with 40 points? Rest assured, there will be future contests to be played out here.



Nobody please respond to Flashwing's troll. D'oh too late.

Pretty soon we'll all be on the floor laughing at the absurdity of all this.:lol:


Dude, you have no idea! :lol:

If you were actually insulted, my sincerest apologies, but then again you guys really shouldn't be posting in here anyway. :dunno:

You did call us arrogant and ignorant first though (not that I care).

You are correct. That's why I simply said thank you.

It's a God Damn "quote" fest. WTF people!?

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See what you guys did? I tried to hold Easy back but now he's out of the cage. The butcher carries a big knife!

See what you guys did? I tried to hold Easy back but now he's out of the cage. The butcher carries a big knife!

42 points now and you call in reinforcements??

42 points now and you call in reinforcements??

I tried to hold him back! Once he starts hacking (wait that's my job) and slashing the carnage never stops!

He's crazy I tell you!

I tried to hold him back! Once he starts hacking (wait that's my job) and slashing the carnage never stops!

He's crazy I tell you!

Well then let him loose. Lets see just how many more points you can score. The worse that can happen is the forum moderators will get their fill of the drama and reinstate the vendor forum ban. (WTF happened with that anyway?)

(WTF happened with that anyway?)


If you insist on discussing CHR or Ray by name, he is entitled to come here and defend himself.....

S

Got called out. Got called in.

Food for thought: There is no such thing as bad publicity.

Joff, it sure looks like you opened Pandora's Box

It's funny to read the past few pages and see how one e-fight spirals into a completely different tangent and others then get involved.

I swear internet forums will soon become the model for studying human physiology.

the video isn't working for me. :(

diesel oil, really?

Really? How come its youtube? I thought that always works!

Any sweatshop in the world can put those ignition wires together properly, and for a lot less than what you guys are charging, I'm sure.

Do you have an employee at the GM Ignition Coil factory that inspects each component at every point of its product?

If he wants to call Jeff an asshole, he has every right to :)

I prefer not to hire "sweatshops" to build BHR's stuff.

No, Delphi does that for us as part of their normal production process.

And OD would be absolutely correct in doing so!

I am completely burned-out and shall refrain further. Thx for the fun.;)

Got called out. Got called in.


Ah, but what if I told you my last question was a trick to provoke another response because I'm addicted to the drama?

45 points!

Do you still feel like you're being called out?


Joff, it sure looks like you opened Pandora's Box


I do apologize for that.

Ah, but what if I told you my last question was a trick to provoke another response because I'm addicted to the drama?

I'd chuckle and sustain it.
And continue to respond because it is no less entertaining.
You do seem to have figured it out, though (which, above most here, I'd expect of you).
So, uh, how many points are we up to?

I can stay up later than you guys can so I'm gunna win this argument - till the morning anyway .

I'd chuckle and sustain it.
And continue to respond because it is no less entertaining.
You do seem to have figured it out, though (which, above most here, I'd expect of you).
So, uh, how many points are we up to?

45!

Touche' friend, and good night!

I can stay up later than you guys can so I'm gunna win this argument - till the morning anyway .

True! WINNAR!

No, wait! Its morning here already. Uh, WINNAR! Whut? lol

45!

Touche' friend, and good night!

'Night Jesse!

I'll check in later to gawk at the carnage.

seeing as it's just you and me left MM how anbout slipping that dwell info over while no-one is watching !!!!!

I prefer not to hire "sweatshops" to build BHR's stuff.

No, Delphi does that for us as part of their normal production process.

And OD would be absolutely correct in doing so!

I am completely burned-out and shall refrain further. Thx for the fun.;)

:eyetwitch

Anytime.

Joff--your pm box is full--appreciate your message.

I just want to be clear--I have nothing agaisnt Ray or the rest of BHR--only Jeff. And he is right there is no such thing as bad publicity.
Since this is no longer(for me) the RX8 forum--it is the BHR forum i am asking the admin mod to remove my name from the membership.
Those of you that know me know how to get in touch and I hope you do.
I dont have time to play with children anymore
rotor on guys
olddragger