By the looks of your sig and your posts you'd almost think that your car's engine never died and you're still turboed.

My engine never died. It has always been 100%. We pulled it apart because I expected damage, but it was fine and dandy. I guess I could have spent $20 and had the iron housing welded or something to that effect. Call it a case of morbid curiosity at 50,000 miles.

I'm sure you read my post where we did engine compression tests and it came out normal.


Is it too much to ask to let this guy enjoy his accomplishment without a bunch of people coming here and trying to rain on his parade? :)

You can't throw stones in a glass house. You had nothing to do with the MM / StealthTL thread either, but that didn't stop you from bumping it.

My engine never died. It has always been 100%. We pulled it apart because I expected damage, but it was fine and dandy. I guess I could have spent $20 and had the iron housing welded or something to that effect. Call it a case of morbid curiosity at 50,000 miles.

I'm sure you read my post where we did engine compression tests and it came out normal.


I guess I did miss it; sounds like a very expensive morbid curiosity.


You can't throw stones in a glass house. You had nothing to do with the MM / StealthTL thread either, but that didn't stop you from bumping it.

Retribution: The explanation for everything I've said about Jeff. It's fine with me if you want to compare my bumping of a thread that contains undisputed facts to some of the things your idol has done in this thread, which I may remind you is called "Pettit Super Charger Owners." :dunno:

I guess I could have spent $20 and had the iron housing welded or something to that effect.


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Since when was leaking oil considered a dead engine? I could have run it that way forever if I wanted. If it runs, it isn't dead. And I'm not talking about semantics either.

fish oil tastes like crap--may have to add catsup.
never mind the hp--talk about that tq curve----errrrr what curve lol!
makes the car very predickable.

OK --may have found part of the fuel starvation fix quest(check thread for full explanations)
when you compress our fuel pump unit(like you do on the install) there is a overhang ledge in the front part(where little arrow is) over the can assemble itself. The flat side of the can .I think it is reasonable to say that that ledge will impede fuel overflowing into the can during accelleration/certain turns etc. there really isnt much space inbetween the top of the assembly and the can itself and the inner part of the assembly does not leave much room for fuel to overflow (as in full tank) into the can itself --at least the front part. You cant get rid of this ledge/overhang. SO i notched the can--in the front--between the two little plastic bracket hanger things(we dont use). This should open up the can so fuel can get in more easily when the tank is at full to 3/4.
This is only part of my theory addressing this problem.
External fuel filter placement is being formulated. I was able to remove the oem filter from its house leaving the regulator/venturi line intact. wasnt easy.
back to the show!!
OD

When I get to FL OD; can I come up go GA and visit and check this out. It sounds important; but also Swahili to me without visuals... ;)

Since when was leaking oil considered a dead engine? I could have run it that way forever if I wanted. If it runs, it isn't dead. And I'm not talking about semantics either.

You're right, my mistake. Although it would be annoying to have to pour a couple quarts of oil every 50 miles. Also, you would never be welcome to park in anyone's driveway, or to an autocross course, or dragstrip with that kind of leak, but you're totally right, it wasn't dead. Why did you spend all that money then, why not just get the $20 weld job and stop the leak? Did you at least believe it was dead?

why not just get the $20 weld job and stop the leak? Did you at least believe it was dead?

Correct. Knowing how delicate the rotary engine is, I figured something that would crack the front iron would surely have damaged more than that, so I assumed it was a ticking time bomb.

All the seals were perfectly fine. So I ended up with all brand new hardware and an engine that didn't need it. With 20% restocking fees, I decided to install all the new parts. So rear and center iron are basically all that remain from the original engine.

But hey, I got good photos to post on the internet, that makes it worth it, right? :)

I guess I could have spent $20 and had the iron housing welded or something

What???

I see you finished with your coloring book.

Nice. :eyetwitch

Correct. Knowing how delicate the rotary engine is, I figured something that would crack the front iron would surely have damaged more than that, so I assumed it was a ticking time bomb.

All the seals were perfectly fine. So I ended up with all brand new hardware and an engine that didn't need it. With 20% restocking fees, I decided to install all the new parts. So rear and center iron are basically all that remain from the original engine.

But hey, I got good photos to post on the internet, that makes it worth it, right? :)

Totally. :)

Kane, waiting for pics from OD can take a long time. (yes, as in a looooooong time)

In the meantime you can enjoy a pathetically short vid I dug up when someone asked to hear the supercharger sound (which I LOVE!)

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Cve1jMneIuI

Instead of going out for lunch, i brown bagged it and read this thread lol

Instead of going out for lunch, i brown bagged it and read this thread lol

Glad you enjoyed it! Did you by any chance come across this in your reading:

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc7/bastage_2005/juanhp.jpg
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc7/bastage_2005/juantorque.jpg

:lol2:

^^^
What psi was that at?

its sad that you all have such a hard on about reaching a number that many other had done a very long time ago. congrats to you just the same as you found another way to do it, but its nothing special anymore... the guys who are pushing the limits are 100 horses over you..

^^^
What psi was that at?

9 psi on 3rd gear. :eyetwitch

its sad that you all have such a hard on about reaching a number that many other had done a very long time ago. congrats to you just the same as you found another way to do it, but its nothing special anymore... the guys who are pushing the limits are 100 horses over you..

Very true but how about reliability/dependability?

BTW don't provide me with I heard but with facts. You should know based on your line of work. :eyetwitch

9 psi on 3rd gear. :eyetwitch

Not sure why you said 9, but my blower makes @12psi with the 5" pulley.

Not sure why you said 9, but my blower makes @12psi with the 5" pulley.

I think he said 9 because that's what his boost gauge topped out at on the dyno. When he's on the road he hits 12.

If all goes as planned, my 8 will be complete by New Years eve and back in my hands. I am hoping to do a dyno on it the 24th of January. Let's see what a 4 port is capable of.

go phil . Now if I could get your avatar and mine in a hot tub all would be right with the world

Phil what did you do for injectors etc for your setup?

Very true but how about reliability/dependability?

BTW don't provide me with I heard but with facts. You should know based on your line of work. :eyetwitch

agreed, power goes up, everything else goes down. you try your best to keep it as reliable as possible, but the more things you add(w/m, etc) the more things there are to fail. and ultimately, the more air you flow though the motor, the shorter its lifespan regardless of any abnormal failure.

Well, after this summer were gona know alot more about how keeping your engine temps down has a big effect on your engines life. Its a wounder someone of knowledge hasnt concentrated on this known problem till the end of last summer and had great results. Things like new rads and different pumps havennt had the effects that were needed to keep your engine temps happy. Like I said keep your temps under 200 and you might just see engines lasting 100,000 + boosted miles since the heat isnt gona fry your exaust port out!!!!!!

second that bro!
kane--i aint good with pics, or spelling, or at finding my dipstick in the dark.
I will do my best.
OD

second that bro!
kane--i aint good with pics, or spelling, or at finding my dipstick in the dark.
I will do my best.
OD

That is why I want to VISIT...

Phil what did you do for injectors etc for your setup?
Wait until I have done my dyno to see if any of the stuff helped. Then I'm sure Ray will be happy to tell you then. Hell if it did not help I may just stick my head in the sand and hide.

hehe.

Good luck mate!

Here's a log snapshot from yesterday. :eyetwitch

Here's a log snapshot from yesterday. :eyetwitch

Wait. This is the same car that just made 330 HP?

BTW - Can you trim the logs to the relevant part of the plot? Does your software have that capability? It would make it easier to read.
Axes would be helpful, too.

Kane --come on up anytime!
Goes for any of yall.
Juan is excited---dang thing sounds good too.
OD

Wait. This is the same car that just made 330 HP?

Yes, the only SC RX8 I own. No log was taken while at the dyno last Saturday 12-13-08

BTW - Can you trim the logs to the relevant part of the plot? Nope
Does your software have that capability? Nope
It would make it easier to read. Sorry
Axes would be helpful, too. Again, sorry.

http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm205/doorcombo/log2.jpg
:eyetwitch

BTW - Can you trim the logs to the relevant part of the plot? Nope


You can with the EFI logger. Just take the log, export it as CSV, then you can cut out the extraneous bits and post the resulting file. You can use Excel or any regular text editor.

~330 g/sec and ~160% is awfully low for a 330 HP car.

Also, why did you do the dyno pull in 3rd? All the other pulls around here are in 4th.

~330 g/sec and ~160% is awfully low for a 330 HP car.
.

do you detect a fishy smell ? :lol:

~330 g/sec and ~160% is awfully low for a 330 HP car. Are you questioning my integrity?
Also, why did you do the dyno pull in 3rd? All the other pulls around here are in 4th.

Because I used the same dyno shop under the same conditions (3rd gear) in order to better ascertain gains on whp. Changing shops, dynos, person that sits in the car (Delirium-Motorsports http://www.delirium-motorsports.com/) allows me to do it myself.

Have fun with the numbers. :eyetwitch

Time
Load (%)
Engine Temp (°F)
Long Term Trim (%)
RPM (rpm)
Vehicle Speed (mph)
Timing (°)
MAF (g/s)
TPS (%)
Air/Fuel Ratio

http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm205/doorcombo/numbers.jpg

do you detect a fishy smell ? :lol:

Well, this thread is turning into a scene from Hamlet in a way, so it might be apropos to smell something rotten.
Its not nearly as nice a place as Denmark, though.

Because I used the same dyno shop under the same conditions (3rd gear) in order to better ascertain gains on whp.

Totally legit explanation.
You should consider doing some 4th gear pulls next time in addition (with an RPM axis) so that the plots can be used for comparison.

Have fun with the numbers. :eyetwitch



Lol. Can I have those a text? A JPG is a bit cumbersome! :lol:

I don't really need it. I'm just wondering why your street data log numbers are consistent with all of the 240 - 260 HP cars.

do you detect a fishy smell ? :lol:

Yeap, I just finishied mowing the lawn. :lol: :eyetwitch

Well, this thread is turning into a scene from Hamlet in a way, so it might be apropos to smell something rotten.
Its not nearly as nice a place as Denmark, though.

Totally legit explanation.

Hamlet? That sounds like something I ate this morning.

Dyno was done Sat and the posted log was taken yesterday while on my way to work (specifically while entering I-4 on 4th, 5th, 6th gear).
:eyetwitch

please make sure you all read the new bright red announcement.

Doesn't matter - if the vendor started it; then even if public you can't go play in it. According to Rule 7

that would be correct Kane

that would be correct Kane

I am one for two on the day...:)

Installed a new high flow cat today,,,
Yup it was the problem,,, The fist core was jammed all the way to the back of the cat housing, thus jamming the second back into the pipe and surrounding the O2 sensor, the sensor is fine and she's running smooth again...
I guess blowing out at 120mph didnt leave any remains in the exhaust for me to here rattling...
Im gonna keep the one I took off and gut it for track days...

Installed a new high flow cat today,,,
Yup it was the problem,,,

Yeap, there's your problem. :lol2:

Now, go and enjoy it. :eyetwitch

Ohh I enjoyed it all the way home...

~330 g/sec and ~160% is awfully low for a 330 HP car.

Also, why did you do the dyno pull in 3rd? All the other pulls around here are in 4th.

Makes you wonder what 369 g/sec at 180% TP would do?

:spank:


Juan did not run over 8K, all of my crazy MAF readings were in a burst to about 9K.

Makes you wonder what 369 g/sec at 180% TP would do?

:spank:


Juan did not run over 8K, all of my crazy MAF readings were in a burst to about 9K.

Except for this insane 4th gear run on 12-07-08 up to 11.3 psi boost.

http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm205/doorcombo/Log3.jpg

with video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DMthgPrmZM :eyetwitch

Readings of same day 12-07-08 but on 3rd gear.

http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm205/doorcombo/Log4.jpg :eyetwitch

So why did we decide on the matching sig links again? At least specifiy the turbo model in use.... I am pretty sure if I strap a Roots Blower from a 350 Small Block onto a Renisis; that I can create some failure issues too.

funny you should say ,,, Moons working on simular things

Yeah saw that... hehe I thought it was twin screw for the Pettit fellas. - I did hear from a Chevy SS guy that the new Eatons are pretty BA.

Of course I was thinking the old school dual carb; all chrome monster blowers with the 6 inch drive belts when I made the comment.

Yeh, well thats on hold till I have a car to put it on. Its one of those things im gona look at good and hard for a few months and decide the best way to go with it. I dont want to start and think, well, it coulda been better this way but im to far into it to change anything. The thing about it is it acualy fits and I was rite about the weight only being less then 10 pounds heavier. It shouldnt take that long to assemble it part buy part.

as long as it comes with the sawed off shotgun...

http://www.aa1car.com/library/supercharger.jpg

Theory on Supercharger Causing E-Shaft Failures on the Renesis Motor, By Kane





Not to be a prick; just sayin... seems kind of silly.

Yeh, thats what im talkin about. Like I said, a set of bird catchers out the hood. Wounder if I could mate 2 throttle bodies and still keep it clean. Use 1 for 50% then the other opens at 50% + and more throttle, also 2 bypass valves, 1 settup as a preassure regulator, dreams. :Eyecrazy:

LOL - If I had the money in the budget you can bet your sweet Azz it would be in the vette right now; sticking 2 feet out of the hood...... it would have ruled.

http://www.aa1car.com/library/supercharger.jpg

Theory on Supercharger Causing E-Shaft Failures on the Renesis Motor, By Kane





Not to be a prick; just sayin... seems kind of silly.

Well, the blower deffinatly dosnt need to stick out of the hood. Maybe a scoop.

^^^^^^Sweet.

I would guess you are matching the MAF with RWHP.

Well, the blower deffinatly dosnt need to stick out of the hood. Maybe a scoop.

I dunno.... I think it is at the hoodline; with the carbs and scoop way over the top. Can we get a ref in here?:)

In the vette - just the IM already sticks just above the hood line.... can you imagine that bad boy?

Everything is better when it sticks out of the hood.... EVERYTHING.

Water, less meth injection, compression, ram air in the rain.

kane go a little further back with the TWIN big blowers on one engine on the old rail dragsters!
OD

On a 20B

Seriosly, at the angle the intake on the blower is at I could billit up a part that has a maf housing in it and routs strait out of the rotor in the hood, it would be different, buiild a filter- ram scoop low profile.

I did hear from a Chevy SS guy that the new Eatons are pretty BA.


yeah me and a friend of mine are picking out an Eaton for his Exige, were machining our own IM with a top mount IC...
Its gonna be sweet, we just need to find someone to tune it...

yall need to lay of the cactus blossoms! daymnnn!
OD

Merry Christmas to me!! Next week i will have the Pettit S/C boost upgrade kit installed. I think thats a good name for it. :rock:

Happy Christmas!

Merry Christmas to me!! Next week i will have the Pettit S/C boost upgrade kit installed. I think thats a good name for it. :rock:

Awesome! Maybe you can join us at Pettit/Moroso on the 9th of January. Bastage and I are planning to stop by the shop and later Moroso to 1/4 mile the cars. Bastage will be taking videos and pictures for later peanut gallery enjoyment. :eyetwitch

Welcome man!
OD

Thanks guy's. Marsredr100 i am gonna try to get that day off but already took the week before off. Well see what happens!

happy christmas :lol2:

I bought mine, but they told me it will be sent in february or march as they are working on a new PCM recal-kit.

Im all about it, see you at the track!!!

I've been off line for a couple of days, traveling and just opened my favorite thread up to a new set of Vendor Forum rules. I see no problem with the new rules but they do seem to be pointed at this thread. When I started this thread I wanted a place where Pettit Super Charger owners could converse about their accomplishments, problems and improvements and hopefully I could learn something. I hoped that others, even turbo lovers, would offer some insight. Outside influences looking in can be a very contributing factor in the ongoing refinement of any great product. I have not always been happy with the direction that this thread has taken but as long as it is here there is a way for innovation to trickle down to those of us not as talented as the innovators. I feel close to all the Pettit owners that contribute to this thread as well as other peeps that regularly contribute. I would hate to lose any of the owners contributions or stifle any information or comment because of a little rule. Since this is a private thread that I started on a Vendor forum I am thinking of requesting that it be moved to another forum (such as Major Horsepower) and welcome comment on the thought.

Use the "Search this thread" feature for posts by certain people and count the number of times these outside influences have crapped here. Now multiply that by some positive number greater than 1. Do you want that drama? What insight have outside influences offered to make this kit/thread better? :dunno:

We all know the problem child contributed sometimes but that was far less than the pile o' crap that was left here, and I can tell you with certainty that this thread was not the final straw...

Phil

I think the thread should stay here. The hate-ing turbo wannabe folks don’t bother me at all. In fact, it encourages me to keep looking for better ways to refine my SC RX8, which btw is a fine product just out of the box. Too bad that they clutter this thread with useless information in order to distract and overshadow the good stuff. But then I don’t go to their threads to point out how many renensis turbo engines are destroyed in less than a couple of thousands of miles due to extreme exhaust heat and bad performance. Just look at the parts sales thread and see it for yourself. Notice how many turbo kits are for resale at any given time. Facts, just facts. Bottom line, the Pettit SC a is simple out of the box kit and durable as long as you don’t go making modifications without first addressing AF ratios. The same applies to a turbo setup if you address the exhaust ports first which entitles you to take the engine out of the car. In my case I decided to keep the engine in the car and just bolt in the SC kit. My personal goal was to have a 300 whp RX8 (done), reliable FI RX8 (done), fun to drive RX8 (done). It just happens that I finally have time to work on my R100 since there is practically nothing else to do on my Pettit SC RX8. :eyetwitch

that is a sweet ride Juan when are you gonna reach 'done' state with that...

I am cool with the way it is.
By the way the fuel system is a pita
anyone know where you can get the oem type fuel hose that goes from the fuel pump to the cannister?
OD

Hows this, if you havent owned or still own one or have (driven with installed in your car and or ridden in it for more then 1,000 miles or instaled one your self, (yes you Charls).
All that said if any of that dosnt apply to you or you wanting one, or having a improvment, stay out. Im going back and editing a bunch of junk out myself. 09/27/07 is when it was started, dam.

that is a sweet ride Juan when are you gonna reach 'done' state with that...

Easy…the day I die. :eyetwitch

/\Moon - start your own forum if you want rules like that .

/\Moon - start your own forum if you want rules like that .

Well, whats so hard about reading the title of the thread. We have people comming in here giving false info on how to fix a problem like the one about a hole in Gregs tunning when it was his cat failing. When you go and missdirect someone it tends to cause problems especialy when they were wrong and miss leading. Id say thats in the direction of setting someone up to fail at his mission that hes trying to accomplish. Unless there in here to try to sell you somthing that you dont need, who cares if it blows your motor, the sale was made type of attitude is screwed up. Incase anyone dosnt see my point about it being a big deal if your cat fails think about your exaust ports and the effect of back preasure and heat. Not an issue that can be tunned out.

anyone with a cat on a boosted car isnt serious about it anyway..? you arent going to serious power levels with a cat, and you arent going to have a lot of reliability in a cat in a boosted application

Yeh, id 2nd that but if your living in Cali or another state that takes emmisions serios id run one even if I had to check it now and then.

i cant imagine living there.... ughh.... though if i was in that position, i'd mcu rather go to the trouble of swapping for inspection time and hoping i didnt get caught otherwise, than to risk not noticing it failing and start destroying the motor

Also forgot to mention that if your cat is clogging on a NA car it has the same effect.

in the EU and Europe running catless is generally not an option as its illegal everywhere.

Well, the only option that I can think of since every cat ive heard of on an RX8 seems to fail is maybe looking into ones made for diesels, they can withstand higher temps and probly last alot longer. Anyone have a powerstroke aftermarket cat sitting around. Might be a good place to start. My car is down or id jump on the wagon with that.

anyone with a cat on a boosted car isnt serious about it anyway..? you arent going to serious power levels with a cat, and you arent going to have a lot of reliability in a cat in a boosted application

hahhah lol.....

hahhah lol.....

whats funny about that? making any kind of serious power you cant keep EGTs down enough for any kind of cat life

Well, the only option that I can think of since every cat ive heard of on an RX8 seems to fail is maybe looking into ones made for diesels, they can withstand higher temps and probly last alot longer. Anyone have a powerstroke aftermarket cat sitting around. Might be a good place to start. My car is down or id jump on the wagon with that.

yeah it'd be nice for a lot of people to have some sort of FI cat option besides the VERY expensive stuff that TeamRX8 got to work

Who said replacing the cat was a problem...The one I took off, I've already gutted for replacement of the one I just put on. Id rather be replacing an inexpensive cat every couple years than my engine because of the EGTs caused buy a turbo...

wow, really? hot air in = hot air out. remind me how more efficient your compressor is than than a turbocharger. i'm done, anyone who has any ties to a turbocharger has no credibility here. hypocrits

wow, really? hot air in = hot air out. remind me how more efficient your compressor is than than a supercharger. i'm done, anyone who has any ties to a turbocharger has no credibility here. hypocrits

huh?

fixed

The EGTs on our cars are most likely the same, the cat was at the end of its life...
I would just rather not have the backpressure of a TC and have to run the risk of exhaust port failure, ie replacing my cat every couple years is a minimal cost IMO since so far most of them show the same surviability... And considering where I live is the second most resitrictive state behind Cali on emissions I do what I can to keep it a DD...

To be EGT or not to be AFR, that is the question.

Well here’s a little light reading for y’all.

Enjoy. :eyetwitch

There seems to be a lot of mystery and misinformation about using exhaust gas temperatures to tune engines. Claims by many EGT gauge manufacturers about it being the best way to tune an engine must be qualified. The BEST way to tune an engine is on an engine dyno- PERIOD. What EGT is good for is a reference for where the engine made maximum torque at wide open throttle. Once removed from the dyno, a similar air/fuel ratio can be established at a later date by dialing in the mixture to achieve the target EGT. It is really the AFR that is important, not the EGT. Most engines will make maximum power at an AFR of between 12.0 and 13.5 to 1 however, the EGT may vary from 1250F to 1800F and is dependent on many factors.

It should be mentioned that the target EGT is valid only on the same engine configuration as was used on the dyno. If you change the ignition timing, cams, pistons, headers etc., the optimum EGT may also change. Raising the compression ratio with no other changes will drop the EGT at the same AFR. Retarding the ignition timing will generally raise the EGT at the same AFR. One engine might make best power at 1350 degrees while a very similar engine might be happier at 1500. You can't guess at this or you are simply wasting your money on the instrumentation. Wankel engines have higher EGTs than comparable piston engines due to their lower thermal efficiencies. 1800F is not uncommon here.

Some gauge manufacturers say you should tune to achieve maximum or peak EGT for maximum performance. This is incorrect. Peak EGT generally occurs at an AFR of around 14.7- 15.0 to 1 on gasoline. This is far too lean for maximum power and is dangerous under continuous WOT conditions. Many people think that the leaner you go, the higher the EGT gets. This is also incorrect. Peak EGT occurs at stoichiometry- about 15 to 1 for our purposes. If you go richer than 15 to 1, EGT will drop and if you go leaner than 15 to 1 EGT will ALSO drop. It is VERY important to know which side of peak EGT you are on before making adjustments. It is safe to say that peak power will occur at an EGT somewhat colder than peak EGT.

You can sometimes feel a lean of peak condition as the mixture is hard to ignite and power will be down a bit as well. Once the AFR gets close to 17 to 1 at WOT, generally the engine will start to lean misfire. Most tuners always recommend to begin jetting or programming from a known very rich initial setting and carefully leaning until torque falls off slightly, then going back richer to the point of max torque. Note the EGT at this setting. Be aware that altitude, barometric pressure and ambient air temperature may affect this optimal temperature to some degree.

Are EGT gauges better than AFR meters? Conventional narrow band oxygen sensors and digital LED meters are not the best devices to measure AFR in the richer ranges but they certainly warn of a too lean condition immediately and obviously, without translation by the driver and they are affordable. Meters combined with wide band sensors are supposed to be highly accurate and everyone has jumped on the bandwagon with these lately. Unfortunately the naive and impressionable often don't question the accuracy of these devices. We have seen some dyno plots indicating best power was achieved at AFRs of 9.7 to 1 on gasoline. This is PHYSICALLY AND CHEMICALLY IMPOSSIBLE and shows that either the sensor was bad (leaded fuel used possibly) or the meter was not calibrated properly. Again, the wide band sensors have the same limitations as the narrow band- leaded race gas quickly fouls them. We have heard and read many stories now indicating that certain brands of wideband meters differ as much as 2 points AFR in readings between each other. In other words, the accuracy of some of these devices is highly questionable. Extensive testing with laboratory quality instrumentation on aircraft engines universally indicates that best power is NEVER made at AFRs richer than 12 to 1. Airflow and fuel flow rates are independently measured and each cylinder is instrumented with EGT probes.

EFI Univeristy?

EFI Univeristy?

Are you kidding me? Barely graduated HS and I got a prestigious degree from eBay. :eyetwitch

Id like to add to the subject. If you have restriction in your exaust system it keeps the heat between that restriction and your engine. So the better the flow out the less heat stays in. Even if you have 1400 EGTs its better to have it exit then linger.

Here's my new desktop background wallpaper. Ha! :eyetwitch

http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm205/doorcombo/pettitracing4.jpg

Looks good, but the car needs to be yellow, lol, or even green.

Juan, surely that's a prime case of preaching to the converted, haha!

Mind you who am I to talk, my desktop has been my car for years!

Juan, surely that's a prime case of preaching to the converted, haha!

Mind you who am I to talk, my desktop has been my car for years!

That background was done by my 22 y.o. son on an old outdated laptop. He can do a whole lot better if uses mine. He is currently studying computer graphics and design. I can pm you his email so you can communicate directly with him. :eyetwitch

Well just found something out----10% ethanol will cause more fuel contamination

get ready to change those pumps/filters?
ethenol can actually cause plastics etc to decompose over time
OD

Gotta love it. Its a pain, on my truck I had to disconect my front o2s to kick it into open loop to get even fuel consumption. It seems since the fuel burns cleaner it wants to burn more to keep the cats happy. I did that last year, made it run alot cleaner (power wise) also. Now and then I check the AFRs and its still in the happy zone. Dam ethonal.

Is there any way to counteract the ethanol with an additive??

Is there any way to counteract the ethanol with an additive??

Uh, water will make all the ethanol drop out of suspension in the gasoline, but then you have water under the gas.
You could fill a 5 gallon gas can, then add water, let it sit overnight, and then drain the water/ethanol from the bottom.

This is also why you get "bad gas" from gas stations sometimes, after a certain time the condensation inside the tanks cause the ethanol to separate from the gas and you get water and ethanol with no gas, this is a normal cycle for ethanol in gasoline.

A better idea, lobby your congress critters against the oil companies. :spank:
Ethanol really cuts gas mileage.

good info
more reasons for a water meth system(helps with the octane also) and an external fuel filter.
just about got my set up going--its tricky to get the oem filter out leaving everything else intact. anyone interested?
beware the dreaded ethanol----hell i rather eat the corn!
OD

Merry Christmas and happy holidays.

Merry Christmas all--stay safe and 2009 is going to be one hell of a year!
OD

Merry Christmas all--stay safe and 2009 is going to be one hell of a year! OD

The year of the dowel pinned rotary engines?
:)

this is one way we do off roading in GA
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/465599
enjoy--we do have more elavation changes than florida.
ODof

That chick's a looker in that jeep, aye ya!

Merry Christmas fellow Pettit SC owners!!!

Derrick Rodenbucher
Lancaster Ca
AT
Pettiting Racing(at 2008 sevenstock)

Would that be a christmas present?^

Merry Christmas everyone.

Merry Christmas...

Belated Merry Christmas to all y'all!!

Merry Christmas too the all of you

Joyeux noel et bonne année :)

i have started a thread in the tech section concerning intake flow and fuel dispersion--if anyone has anything to offer----come on over---i aint saying all that i know yet.
OD

Another year is almost gone - at my age I need them to slow down a little bit:)
Happy New Year Fellow Pettit Owners :us4allswi

Another year is almost gone - at my age I need them to slow down a little bit:)
Happy New Year Fellow Pettit Owners :us4allswi
Tell me about it! I've gained a few gray hairs this year. I think I have like 5 of them now!! :lol:

Happy New Year! :beer: :djcelebra

Happy New Years!!!:smiley309
Ive already made my mod list for this year,,,,

Tell me about it! I've gained a few gray hairs this year. I think I have like 5 of them now!! :lol:

Happy New Year! :beer: :djcelebra
Well I have not turned too gray yet but it's coming - I gained a few more with the economy melt down and my 8.

Happy New Years!!!:smiley309
Ive already made my mod list for this year,,,,
I managed to accomplish(with lots of help) all the mods for '08 also. My '09 mods will be less agressive. Yes I have a list all made out.

There's nothing like celibrating a New Year in Vegas :smiley309. The roads crossing the strip from Sahara to Tropicana are going to close starting a 1pm. The whole 3 miles will be one big party with guys jumping fountains in their motor cycles, guys doing flips with their trucks and one great big fireworks show. The roads will stay closed untill 4am tomorrow.

Well I have not turned too gray yet but it's coming - I gained a few more with the economy melt down and my 8.


I managed to accomplish(with lots of help) all the mods for '08 also. My '09 mods will be less agressive. Yes I have a list all made out.

There's nothing like celibrating a New Year in Vegas :smiley309. The roads crossing the strip from Sahara to Tropicana are going to close starting a 1pm. The whole 3 miles will be one big party with guys jumping fountains in their motor cycles, guys doing flips with their trucks and one great big fireworks show. The roads will stay closed untill 4am tomorrow.

Dammit, guys jumping anything and im missin out. Well, happy New Years everyone.

happy new year all..

No more mods for me, my car is perfect now!

Just hope everyone has a great 2009

Happy New Year fellow Pettit SC owners and future Pettit SC owners. :Eyecrazy:

:beerchug: :jump: :djcelebra

fuel line fittings opions are confusing as hell!!!!yaaaaaaaaa!
feel better now
thanks
OD

happy new years d00ds and d00dettes!!

:fruit:

Happy New Years !!!

Happy new years !!!!

oh wait - I'm turboed - backs away quietly .......

even so Brettus, lets start new year in a spirit of harmony and cheer!

/me runs for cover

Happy new years !!!!

Happy New Year Brettus!!! :eyetwitch

Hope the new year brings you less engine failures...oh wait you have a turbo renesis. :lol:

By the way here is the first polished install on a heavily modded (and lovely coloured!) RX8 in the UK.

Lovely Polished Supercharger (http://s373.photobucket.com/albums/oo171/t200cad/?action=view&current=5cbd4ee5.jpg)

Happy New Year Brettus!!! :eyetwitch

Hope the new year brings you less engine failures...oh wait you have a turbo renesis. :lol:

http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=131144&d=1230814079

funny that you posted this "Popular Reasons of Turbo Failures" with four main points:

-Foreign objects passing the compressor or turbine. Last time it crossed my mind any foreign objects making its way through your blower would also have ill effects
-Bad oil(contaminated, wrong spec). Seems that this also applies to your blower, as well as over/under filling and any other generally stupid stuff
-Overspeeding and/or overheating. Since the turbos/kits availible today no longer require being run out of the efficiency ranges(like the Greddy) to make acceptable power this should never be a turbo issue for us. In fact your blower runs a much higher risk of this kind of failure in just trying to make the torque the greedy kit made
-Repairs not according to manufacturer spec and/or using copy parts. Gee, ya think? I wonder what would happen if your blower wasnt repaired to spec, oh i forgot - your blower is magical and defies all common sense

The truth of it is, the 4 main points listed will cause failure of almost anything, motors, pumps, compressors, turbines, blowers, hydraulics... anything

get real man:icon_no2:


By the way here is the first polished install on a heavily modded (and lovely coloured!) RX8 in the UK.

Lovely Polished Supercharger (http://s373.photobucket.com/albums/oo171/t200cad/?action=view&current=5cbd4ee5.jpg)

that looks pretty nice man, i like it. get that filter out of the engine bay and it'd be even better :)

The truth of it is, the 4 main points listed will cause failure of almost anything, motors, pumps, compressors, turbines, blowers, hydraulics... anything


Come on paul. We all know that the higher the parasitic loss, the less chance there is of failure!

Come on paul. We all know that the higher the parasitic loss, the less chance there is of failure!

lol... what gets me is this: one of the backbones of their positions is reliability. that has 2 parts, and only 2; tuning and the actual hardware. tuning is the same regardless of FI system, the physics that Kane has put so much time into understanding doesnt change.

They cant belittle failures from the early days because the tuning capability wasnt there. That'd be like an F-22 pilot saying how bad F-4's sucked(sure they did, but that pilot was still a kid/baby when others were flying F-4's and tech/knowledge was advancing) Yes i am saying that if you guys were around in the earliest days of EMB and EMU that the number of tuning related SC to TC failures would be proportionate to the number of SC to TC owners

They can belittle some of the Greddy failures that were mechanical, cause well - the greddy turbo sucks. its all we had and at least there was an effort. Some of the greddy failures they can't belittle - i'd like to see them run their compressor that far out of its efficiency range and see how long they last.

Happy New Year Brettus!!! :eyetwitch

Hope the new year brings you less engine failures...oh wait you have a turbo renesis. :lol:

:lol: i also have torque - heard of it ?

By the way here is the first polished install on a heavily modded (and lovely coloured!) RX8 in the UK.

Lovely Polished Supercharger (http://s373.photobucket.com/albums/oo171/t200cad/?action=view&current=5cbd4ee5.jpg)

thats pretty damn good looking Rob, you've got alot of engine bling there with all your over beefy hose clamps....
how long did it take for all the polishing,,,

Where is the smiliey for shooting myself in the dome?

:doughpoke

Happy New Years - to the Over 1 VE Club.

ok guys....its 2009....

lets give it a whirl and try and get along....i believe that everyone who has done FI on their car did it for the same reason...but please correct me if im wrong...

'to make the car run like it should have from the factory' or a reasonable facsimile...

we dont need to measure penis sizes, do we??

:rollingla


have a great year everyone...and hopefully NO ONE will blow an engine in 2009...whether it be turbo'd or SC'd....

i love you guys!!!

:kiss: :grouphug:

"Make-y more power; me want!" LOL

To be clear - I did go FI due to feelings of male inadequacy.... I didn't know about Zyrtek at that time......coulda saved a few bucks.

;)

one of my new year resolutions is to completely ignore all TC/SC bashing posts and sigs...
uggghhh sitll hung over form this mourning...

"Make-y more power; me want!" LOL

To be clear - I did go FI due to feelings of male inadequacy.... I didn't know about Zyrtek at that time......coulda saved a few bucks.

;)

you have allergies Kane??
:rofl:

Welcome back guys (brettus, paulmasoner, mysql and the rest of the fanboyz). I feel like home again. BTW over 11k miles since my SC self-install, still FI and on the original engine. I’m using the cash I’m not spending on my renensis repair for a well deserved vacation this summer and while at it I won’t be wondering if my car will start when I get back to my house. However, I get a bit upset when the draw bridge gets stuck and I have to use a paddle boat to get across the moat. Does damn Florida gator can get pesky at times. :eyetwitch

Welcome back guys (brettus, paulmasoner, mysql and the rest of the fanboyz). I feel like home again. BTW over 11k miles since my SC self-install, still FI and on the original engine. I’m using the cash I’m not spending on my renensis repair for a well deserved vacation this summer and while at it I won’t be wondering if my car will start when I get back to my house. However, I get a bit upset when the draw bridge gets stuck and I have to use a paddle boat to get across the moat. Does damn Florida gator can get pesky at times. :eyetwitch

did you not get your nose broke (rx8) due to gator issues?
or am i having an oldtimers moment?
:lol2:

you have allergies Kane??
:rofl:

Did I pick the wrong drug? What is the one always on TV?

Did I pick the wrong drug? What is the one always on TV?

Zyrtec is for allergies....

drugs for ED: Viagra, Cialis or Levitra

Well; it woulda been funny if I had got the drug right....

Well; it woulda been funny if I had got the drug right....

yes it would....
i'll give ya an A for trying...:)

/\ woulda been even funnier if he bought the wrong drug and it had the right effect ....

Placebo effect ;) works better than you think :)

Hey - I'll have you know I am hung like a VERY WELL ENDOWED....squirrel

Like this ;)

/\ interesting - but not something on my 'need to know' list :lol:

By the way here is the first polished install on a heavily modded (and lovely coloured!) RX8 in the UK.

Lovely Polished Supercharger (http://s373.photobucket.com/albums/oo171/t200cad/?action=view&current=5cbd4ee5.jpg)

Bling, bling! :Eyecrazy:

Didn't know there was another Pettit SC in the UK. Are there any others? :eyetwitch

Come on paul. We all know that the higher the parasitic loss, the less chance there is of failure!

Even better when driving a slowpoke NA. It's OK you can get a reliable renesis SC too. Just trying to help the broda, yo. :eyetwitch

:lol: i also have torque - heard of it ?

Yeap! Loud and clear sir.

I hope that abundance of torque help you pay for the engine rebuilt cost. I heard the conversion of NZDT* to Pesos is awesome at the moment. :eyetwitch

*New Zealand Dollar Torque

lol. You have FI and are still slow.

You are correct slowpoke. 330 reliable and well documented whp slow.

My goodness, when will the fun end. Wait a minute, I got 364 more days left this year. Keep them coming guys cuz I don’t know about you but I’m having lots of fun thanks to the peanut gallery.

BTW, here's another coloring book for your amusement while slow driving around town.

lol. You have FI and are still slow.

Says the guy who has never used his car (NA or FI) for anything other than driving to work and picking up his groceries :lol: If you're going to talk speed buddy, be prepared to back it up at a dragstrip... wait a minute, we've been down this road together before (unfortunately it's a figurative road, and not a literal one)

BTW, there will be 4 or 5 Pettit SCed cars at the new Moroso dragstrip down in Jupiter on January 9th.

Feel free to show up if you can get your car reTurbonated by then. Juan's car is plenty fast, and it doesn't have a history of premature fluid leakage. Seriously, go somewhere else if you have nothing positive to contribute.

Yep, plenty fast:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4B4i1CGKNA
(especially around 34 seconds when he went full throttle)

Talk smack all you want. The fact is if you had gone turbo, your torque gain over a stock NA car would be double what you have now. Do you guys really think I couldn't get a Pettit SC on my car if I wanted?

The RX-8 is one of the cheapest vehicles I've owned.




You are correct slowpoke. 330 reliable and well documented whp slow.

It is slow. As I've said, I've got more reliable FI miles on my car than you on yours.

The RX-8 is one of the cheapest vehicles I've owned.

And? What? Oh, ok I get it.

My dad got more money than you dad.

Way to go Dexter. Anything else you might want to talk about? :eyetwitch

Anything else you might want to talk about? :eyetwitch

Yeah - anyone looked into a clutched pulley; like the HKS Blower? I foget the specs; but it really seemed to give it back on the lower RPM's. I think I first read about it in Modified.

Talk smack all you want. The fact is if you had gone turbo, your torque gain over a stock NA car would be double what you have now. Do you guys really think I couldn't get a Pettit SC on my car if I wanted?

The RX-8 is one of the cheapest vehicles I've owned.

There's no smack talk coming from us, and as far as I can tell, your financial status was never in question. You're obviously pretty well off if you can afford to pay someone to rebuild your engine every couple of years.



It is slow. As I've said, I've got more reliable FI miles on my car than you on yours.

Yeah, but he has an infinitely more track time than you.

Yeah. I noticed you have an eye twitch in every post. You might want to get that looked at.

I did and thanks for pointing it out. However, I’m more concern at the moment about my hamster. I think is going blind. Anything else you want to point out Slowpoke? :eyetwitch

Yeah. I noticed you have an eye twitch in every post. You might want to stop drinking out of the well. Polk County water isn't exactly world class.

Where in the heck is Polk County? I know of Poke County Florida yall.

And in a very redneck tone of voice..."see, there's your problem". :eyetwitch

heh. Tempting, but I'm going to refrain. :eyetwitch :eyetwitch :eyetwitch :eyetwitch :eyetwitch :eyetwitch

BTW Slowpoke, I also keep noticing that you car is still producing 307 whp according to your signature. How can that be on a NA RX8? I recommend updating your signature with current and up-to-date information. Anything else is just BS-Wannabe fluff. :eyetwitch

Yes, that is true.

:eyetwitch

Any reason why you're bragging about whp but leaving out the torque from your sig? :)

Maybe you should put a "Theory why marsredr100 and Bastage leave out torque numbers from their sig, by mysql" in your sig.

Yeap! Loud and clear sir.

I hope that abundance of torque help you pay for the engine rebuilt cost. I heard the conversion of NZDT* to Pesos is awesome at the moment. :eyetwitch

*New Zealand Dollar Torque

/\ very funny .

I just had a look at your torque curve and yes I gotta say it is pretty good . I think you could hang with my Greddy 8 now . :lol:

Any reason why you're bragging about whp but leaving out the torque from your sig? :)

That’s cuz I get more McDonalds Bucks for whp bragging than torque. But if you click on my up-to-date signature you will see my whp and torque.

Just put the coloring book down for a minute and fix yours. :eyetwitch

/\ very funny .

I just had a look at your torque curve and yes I gotta say it is pretty good . I think you could hang with my Greddy 8 now . :lol:

Could you? :eyetwitch

Could I :eyetwitch ? yes I can :eyetwitch

Juan Bastage etc you guys need to dial back the rhetoric. both sides are just being ridiculous and its not doing anyone any good. you might think you're posting some "witty banter" but from here it looks a bit like instigating...

Hey - I'll have you know I am hung like a VERY WELL ENDOWED....squirrel
I would not touch this one with a ten foot pole:lol:

Yeah - anyone looked into a clutched pulley; like the HKS Blower? I foget the specs; but it really seemed to give it back on the lower RPM's. I think I first read about it in Modified.
I would be interested in a clutched pulley but wonder how I could keep an aggressive tune with one?

Its great to know Turbos are awesome and produce tons of torque while Superchargers are nothing but some parasitic air compressor which robs all the torque our renesis produce. fair enough, technically.

But lets see what are the options for a rx8 owner wanting to spend 6-8K on turbo.

01. Mazport - needs no introduction. Scammed over $80K from ppl wanting turbo & other parts.(I personally lost $8K after waiting 6 months).

02. Mazdamaniac - great kit. made up of mixed & matched parts from greddy. Also wait atleast a year for delivery. Not to mention Cobb AP supports only US vehicles to date.

03. Esmeril - lags till 5K rpm and nobody is sure about the authenticuty of the turbo. Uses Interceptor X warranted by Mazsport (which no longer exists).

04. Greddy - Lots of known issues with turbo and E-manage. Recently company declared US equivalent of Chapter 11 bankruptcy.

the only way you can get an immediate delivery for any of the above kits is when they are being taken off another rx-8 and re-sold.

So technically Turbo "might" be better then a supercharger and produce 30lb-ft more torque. But I'd rather have my supercharger now then wait till 2010.

just my 02 cents.

did you already take order of one or are you gonna buy one in the future

did you already take order of one or are you gonna buy one in the future

I visited Pettit in December when I went to Florida to file report against Mazsport. I put down the deposit for the kit. Test drove Cam's 8 and also went with him to palm beach race way along with moon.

Yeah they're both good people,,, did Cam talk to you about the new pulley and injectors?

Yeah they're both good people,,, did Cam talk to you about the new pulley and injectors?

Oh, yes he did. And I'm getting those. I'm very curious what quarter mile ET Juan posts when he takes his car to the dragstrip.

well congrats on the kit, maksure to give Phils8 your info and he'll add you to the list/map

Oh, yes he did. And I'm getting those. I'm very curious what quarter mile ET Juan posts when he takes his car to the dragstrip.

Will see on that since I haven't drag race since my 11:92 quarter mile R100 run. That was back in 2001 Maryland International Speedway. :eyetwitch

01. Mazport (I personally lost $8K after waiting 6 months).

.

How did that work ;)

Not to mention Cobb AP supports only US vehicles to date.

incorrect.


you forgot to mention SFR, PTP, and a couple other less known on this forum.

Congrats on your decision though. I'd bet a lot of the folks here would assume that i turn my nose at the SC, but even with some of the non ideal aspects of Pettit's FI system - i had my heart set on it for a few months.... the biggest reason i didnt end up staying the path was because i decided i wanted more area under the curve without having to rely on water/meth or anything else to do so.

FWIW i think that for a lot of people it is a good choice. Ease of install, equivalent to a top-mount in terms of bling factor, cost, decent bump in power. Basically i have nothing against it at all. It is what it is.

/\ well put - I concur
I actually came very close to getting the Pettit as well . My turbo choice was more to do with the fact that a good deal came up for a kit that I knew was upgradeable .

I would be interested in a clutched pulley but wonder how I could keep an aggressive tune with one?

I think the tune would stay the same; the difference being that you can spin more boost down low - and taper it off toward redline to protect the blower from over-spinning; if my understanding of the system is correct.

/\ well put - I concur
I actually came very close to getting the Pettit as well . My turbo choice was more to do with the fact that a good deal came up for a kit that I knew was upgradeable .

and now ours is upgradable too, not to the extents of a turbo, but small steps.
And Moon is working on a secondary rad thats built into the floor pan... And I believe Cam and Moon have plans on bringing it out as a Pettit product...

Man, I go away for a few days and all hell breaks loss.

Man, I go away for a few days and all hell breaks loss.

lol we need you around here to keep the peace...

incorrect.


you forgot to mention SFR, PTP, and a couple other less known on this forum.

FWIW i think that for a lot of people it is a good choice. Ease of install, equivalent to a top-mount in terms of bling factor, cost, decent bump in power. Basically i have nothing against it at all. It is what it is.

paul, I waited for AP to start supporting my JDM 8, but it never happened. So I became one of the first beta testers for Hymee Scanalyzer Pro Tuner software and I'm quite happy with the results. It supports US,Euro,JDM everything. And 6 months before the AP tuner software came out, I was editing my maps in easy Graphical User Interface.

After getting burnt by Mazsport like that I wasn't in any mood to take chances with SFR or PTP even though I'm sure they are totally trust worthy. Also initially in July '08 when I went for Mazsport turbo - I wanted top mounted as I did not want rear rotor failure or my floor burning from the heat of the turbine.
But later I realized the turbo manifold for top mount would not clear the steering column (I am Right hand drive).

So considering everything - Ease of install, tech support by CAM, immediate delivery - Pettit wins hands down.

paul, I waited for AP to start supporting my JDM 8, but it never happened. So I became one of the first beta testers for Hymee Scanalyzer Pro Tuner software and I'm quite happy with the results. It supports US,Euro,JDM everything. And 6 months before the AP tuner software came out, I was editing my maps in easy Graphical User Interface.

After getting burnt by Mazsport like that I wasn't in any mood to take chances with SFR or PTP even though I'm sure they are totally trust worthy. Also initially in July '08 when I went for Mazsport turbo - I wanted top mounted as I did not want rear rotor failure or my floor burning from the heat of the turbine.
But later I realized the turbo manifold for top mount would not clear the steering column (I am Right hand drive).

So considering everything - Ease of install, tech support by CAM, immediate delivery - Pettit wins hands down.

oh yeah, JDM i forgot.... sounds like you made a good choice then. I'm happy for ya, and im sure you will be :) its too bad there arent more options for RHD as far as the top mounts go... hell practically nothing that i'm aware of was designed with RHD in mind.

How did that work ;)

oh, he's around somewhere in Pinnelas Park, opened up new business having great time with all the money he scammed from us.
It was a blessing in disguise for me- as otherwise I would have never gone to west palm beach,FL and met Cam and found out what Pettit was all about.

Will see on that since I haven't drag race since my 11:92 quarter mile R100 run. That was back in 2001 Maryland International Speedway. :eyetwitch

I'm hoping 12.9 - 13.1 would be great.....

Anji,

I wish some (other) bastard here had scammed you and you came to my country to follow it up instead. You would have the perfect match for your Pro Tuner :)

BTW - Since the make/model of blower Cam is using has gone out of production, what is the replacement one he is using? Is it an Eaton or a Lyshom/Whipple?

Cheers,
Hymee.

Hymee,
You were on the top of my list before I ordered Mazsport. You were on the top of my list after I got scammed. But as I said, I was in no mood to wait around. And I figured your new intercooler setup will take some time to mature.
I'm not sure what Cam will be using for his future SC kits, but I'm pretty sure my one is the tried and tested OA 417. I believe moon is experimenting with the bigger 424.
My guess, Cam will stay with Twin screw (lysholm/whipple) instead of Eaton (roots). We are all aware of pros & cons of roots vs twin screw.

Yeah - right on about twin-screw. I'm still running air/air and not planning on changing that. Don't know what PWR would think about there intercoolers being thought of as immature. ;)

I know you will love your new screw. I have a great time with mine. Go the Blower!

Cheers,
Hymee.

Right now I have a brand new zero mile short block renny sitting in front of me.

Now the question is- is he old enough to get screwed and blown! :) or should I let him age for a 1000 kms NA as he learns the ways of life (breaks in).

hmm, you were the one who told me you were going back to the wet setup. good to know you got everything sorted.

Right now I have a brand new zero mile short block renny sitting in front of me.

Now the question is- is he old enough to get screwed and blown! :) or should I let him age for a 1000 kms NA as he learns the ways of life (breaks in).

Nice to know your getting all your bits together.

Yeah - things change. I guess I could not have mentioned it and just taken your money anyway! Hey - it's all cool. I'm not worried in the slightest.

And get some boost into it straight away to help bed all the seals in!!

Cheers,
Hymee.

hmm, you were the one who told me you were going back to the wet setup. good to know you got everything sorted.

Right now I have a brand new zero mile short block renny sitting in front of me.

Now the question is- is he old enough to get screwed and blown! :) or should I let him age for a 1000 kms NA as he learns the ways of life (breaks in).

Cam would probably recommend a break-in period before going FI. Hell, Mazda recommeds a break-in period before driving it hard!

Hey guys,

Out of respect for the others on the forum, I would like to keep anything "mazsport scammed me" and related out of the Pettit Forum. I understand things happened and people are upset, but I would greatly appreciate it if we could leave the content of this thread on you guys and your Pettit kits, out of respect for others.

Thanks alot guys.


-Bryan

Hey guys,

Out of respect for the others on the forum, I would like to keep anything "mazsport scammed me" and related out of the Pettit Forum. I understand things happened and people are upset, but I would greatly appreciate it if we could leave the content of this thread on you guys and your Pettit kits, out of respect for others.

Thanks alot guys.


-Bryan

Its funny that after I mentioned atleast 4 other turbo kits and explained how I ended up going with pettit when I visited FL - the only phrase you noticed was "mazsport scammed me".
By the way I am not upset, as I mentioned earlier - "it was blessing in disguise".

looks like Hymee got the boot from here...

yeah Im not sure if Hymee is an actual vendor or not but if its a matter of permission he's got mine as sure as the other Pettit owners, since this is Phil's thread I would imagine it would be up to him to ok it with the mods

yeah Im not sure if Hymee is an actual vendor or not but if its a matter of permission he's got mine as sure as the other Pettit owners, since this is Phil's thread I would imagine it would be up to him to ok it with the mods

by the rules, it isnt your guys decision. since this thread is in Pettit's private forum, it's their decision.

its already been discussed about moving this thread into a public area to eliminate the deliberate deletion of other vendor's posts

I am getting dizzy.
OD

yeah, its your guys thread, so i would think your call on that. only thing is then how often would the mods have to deal with complaints, cause you know how that would turn out lol

Actually all the final straw 'complaints' didnt come from us it came from 'someone' bashing the Esmirl kit so much that the mods came laid the smackdown rule #7

Actually all the final straw 'complaints' didnt come from us it came from 'someone' bashing the Esmirl kit so much that the mods came laid the smackdown rule #7

yeah, i'm aware, and i(obviously) have my own issues with them - i think they are quite shady and for a very specific reason. but that rule doesnt stop anyone form doing the same in the open forum where all the Esmiril threads are...

but thats not what i mean

I still love ya's.

Hymleeeeeee----dont leave Hymleeeeeee:)!!!!
OD

Unless something changes, Hymee has been given permission to post here. :)

Unless something changes, Hymee has been given permission to post here. :)

:bowdown:

Thanks Static

Put it this way guys, I dont see any Pettit owners going in other threads stirring chit. I now I havent. The same should apply to owners of turbo kits comming in here just to rustle things up. Shouldnt happen, if it does they must have issues im not getting into, its the job of the mods. If you have a turbo and post in here it should be pertaining to the SC kit or just general discusion. It also wouldnt hurt for for an owner to start another thread to show your mods and progress, it can be shown in here but it wouldnt hurt to have a section set aside for that alone to keep from having to go through the whole thread to get the info needed on the kit. If this works for you guys and gals, it works for me.

.... it can be shown in here but it wouldnt hurt to have a section set aside for that alone to keep from having to go through the whole thread to get the info needed on the kit. If this works for you guys and gals, it works for me.

Been done. Great minds think alike

Been done. Great minds think alike

yeah but as sited, that thread is already being scrutinized because some think that they should be put up on a higher pedastal because they have to go through an aruduous proccess of fabbing thier own parts when our kit comes out of the box with minimal assembly. They think that somehow that makes them more important. Thus having a longer build thread where they have to photo document every liitle custom part or work-around they think that they should be segregated into another thread when your initial purpose was a place for all FI to be posted and to create shortcuts or contacts where NA people to go to learn more about FI options

yeah but as sited, that thread is already being scrutinized because some think that they should be put up on a higher pedastal because they have to go through an aruduous proccess of fabbing thier own parts when our kit comes out of the box with minimal assembly. They think that somehow that makes them more important. Thus having a longer build thread where they have to photo document every liitle custom part or work-around they think that they should be segregated into another thread when your initial purpose was a place for all FI to be posted and to create shortcuts or contacts where NA people to go to learn more about FI options

wow, if thats how you took that, its no wonder you guys get so butt hurt whenever anyone says anything at all in here that doesnt include the words "perfect/sex/awesomeness/reliablestester"

all that was said over there between a few posts was: possibly divide it into categories like 1) genuine builds 2) kits instillations with a thread/feedback 3) kits installed via shop with no/less thread/feedback 4) ppl like me who are sitting on a pile of parts but have not "built/installed" yet

the more i look back on this whole constant mess, and then look at more current events, the more i think that although alot of it is simply shit - alot of it is a few of you guys needing to learn what constructive criticism is.:icon_no2:

....needing to learn what constructive criticism is.

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i dont know whats funny bastage? none of you have ever provided me with any? the best i've ever gotten is a list of stuff that applies to about 3% of all boosted Rennies(basically track dedicated builds and ~400whp cars), and some stuff about Jeff's turbos always breaking and us running to him with money to fix it(which has never happened)

incorrect.


you forgot to mention SFR, PTP, and a couple other less known on this forum.

Congrats on your decision though. I'd bet a lot of the folks here would assume that i turn my nose at the SC, but even with some of the non ideal aspects of Pettit's FI system - i had my heart set on it for a few months.... the biggest reason i didnt end up staying the path was because i decided i wanted more area under the curve without having to rely on water/meth or anything else to do so.

FWIW i think that for a lot of people it is a good choice. Ease of install, equivalent to a top-mount in terms of bling factor, cost, decent bump in power. Basically i have nothing against it at all. It is what it is.

Been running my kit for 20k+ miles and well over a year. Still haven't installed water/meth kit.

Been running my kit for 20k+ miles and well over a year. Still haven't installed water/meth kit.

good for you, you arent making the power i want out of my project either so it is irrelevant to me.

Why so touchy? I was simply pointing out how you are wrong about the requirement for water/meth.

Why so touchy? I was simply pointing out how you are wrong about the requirement for water/meth.


the biggest reason i didnt end up staying the path was because i decided i wanted more area under the curve without having to rely on water/meth or anything else to do so.


show me a Pettit SC making 350-360 wheel without needing water/meth or some other form of charge temp control....

to be even MORE accurate, show me one that was or could do that 1-1.5 years ago when i made the decision that i wanted those power levels

not touchy, and i wasnt wrong... I'm pretty sure than when it comes to expressing a personal opinion/preference i dont understand how you're going to tell me i'm wrong?

i dont know whats funny bastage? none of you have ever provided me with any? the best i've ever gotten is a list of stuff that applies to about 3% of all boosted Rennies(basically track dedicated builds and ~400whp cars), and some stuff about Jeff's turbos always breaking and us running to him with money to fix it(which has never happened)

I don't recall you being in a position to be criticized. What was funny to me about your post is that the whole reason that people like Jeff and his posse are unwelcome here is that they do not provide constructive criticism, they insult and instigate crapstorms. We're all pretty reasonable people on here, but when you have certain people that go out of there way to spread negative BS about a product that so far every single owner has been happy with, it gets annoying. Especially when it's done in a thread called "Pettit Super Charger Owners."

Regardless, the main intent of this thread was for owners to communictate with each other on improvements or modifications that they've done to their kits. Over the year or so this thread has been here, there has been far too much back and forth between us and a certain peddler of a competing product, and those who buy from/worship this peddler (who in at least one case, has a comical history of blind loyalty to another peddler that eventually screwed them over).

BTW, it was a our decision to put that Pettit white paper in our signature. As far as I know, the folks at Pettit are not even aware we're doing it. So it's a bit wrong to say that it's a "marketing strategy."

Here's my theory on Pettit's marketing strategy: Build and sell a good forced induction kit, and people will buy it.

I don't recall you being in a position to be criticized. What was funny to me about your post is that the whole reason that people like Jeff and his posse are unwelcome here is that they do not provide constructive criticism, they insult and instigate crapstorms. We're all pretty reasonable people on here, but when you have certain people that go out of there way to spread negative BS about a product that so far every single owner has been happy with, it gets annoying. Especially when it's done in a thread called "Pettit Super Charger Owners."

Regardless, the main intent of this thread was for owners to communictate with each other on improvements or modifications that they've done to their kits. Over the year or so this thread has been here, there has been far too much back and forth between us and a certain peddler of a competing product, and those who buy from/worship this peddler (who in at least one case, has a comical history of blind loyalty to another peddler that eventually screwed them over).

BTW, it was a our decision to put that Pettit white paper in our signature. As far as I know, the folks at Pettit are not even aware we're doing it. So it's a bit wrong to say that it's a "marketing strategy."

Here's my theory on Pettit's marketing strategy: Build and sell a good forced induction kit, and people will buy it.


points taken, alot of them are spot on and couldnt be said better. all of the stuff i'm reffering to has nothing to do with past crap on here, but simply about my questioning your guys assumptions and positions you've taken and run with about that paper. As far as Pettit not knowing whats going on... i'm sure its possible as i dont know anyone who's called them and spoke - but its been brought up on here a few times or more to see if they would come fill in the blanks.(admittedly never expecting it to happen because to do would mean either telling you guys that your far exagerrating things, or publicly tainting their rep for knowing what they are talkig about)

wow, if thats how you took that, its no wonder you guys get so butt hurt whenever anyone says anything at all in here that doesnt include the words "perfect/sex/awesomeness/reliablestester"

all that was said over there between a few posts was: possibly divide it into categories like 1) genuine builds 2) kits instillations with a thread/feedback 3) kits installed via shop with no/less thread/feedback 4) ppl like me who are sitting on a pile of parts but have not "built/installed" yet

the more i look back on this whole constant mess, and then look at more current events, the more i think that although alot of it is simply shit - alot of it is a few of you guys needing to learn what constructive criticism is.:icon_no2:

oooo touchy touchy I was just pointing out the loaded gun,
"Might want to segregate that list up a bit into actual builds/advances/interactive and some of the "wanna-bes".
It doesn't really make sense to have folks like Fluid Motorsports, Baysj, PaulMasoner, Shinka213 or tubingchamp Since in that list they haven't (or can't) actually provide any data (some for obvious reasons).
That is, if I understand the point of this list"
Tell me thats not a loaded statement, I wasn't attacking anyone just observing what was said, with the way that was stated.

Then change your original post to reflect that it is only your personal opinion.

I don't care what you want for your car.

Area under the curve is a bit vauge, don't you think? Are you talking about the whole curve(1-9k), midrange, top end???

You are touchy. Otherwise you wouldn't feel the need to constantly post in a thread about a product which you have never owned. Are you trying to convince Pettit owners that you know more about their setup than they do, or just trying to convince yourself that you made the right decision in going another direction?

BTW, it would have been easy for most Pettit/Greddy owners to wait indefinately for a "perfect" FI setup. I can't speak for others, but I am glad I made the purchase when I did. Otherwise I wouldn't have learned as much as I have over the past year, not to mention enjoyed a car with FI.

-Yambo

i dont know whats funny bastage? none of you have ever provided me with any? the best i've ever gotten is a list of stuff that applies to about 3% of all boosted Rennies(basically track dedicated builds and ~400whp cars), and some stuff about Jeff's turbos always breaking and us running to him with money to fix it(which has never happened)

I don't think Jeff actually makes turbos lol. Also, the Garret turbo upgrade he has for the GReddy kit is generally considered one of the better possible setups available. There aren't a ton of people running the GT3071R but I haven't heard a single person that is running it complain about the Devil's Hairdryer. I was going to get it myself before I decided to go with the GT2871R instead. *shrug*

Anyway, whats going on in this thread? Is paul getting into fights with SC guys? :)

oooo touchy touchy I was just pointing out the loaded gun,
"Might want to segregate that list up a bit into actual builds/advances/interactive and some of the "wanna-bes".
It doesn't really make sense to have folks like Fluid Motorsports, Baysj, PaulMasoner, Shinka213 or tubingchamp Since in that list they haven't (or can't) actually provide any data (some for obvious reasons).
That is, if I understand the point of this list"
Tell me thats not a loaded statement, I wasn't attacking anyone just observing what was said, with the way that was stated.

i dont get how its loaded?? maybe you and i percieve his words differently due to differing past experiences or something?

it does make sense to divide the list up into basic kit installs, kit advancements, parts wishlists/build coming etc... and frankly, those like me who arent there yet are "wanna-bes" for the momnet. and for the purpose of tht thread others like Fluid, Shinka etc are.. because although they are boosted, they have no thread and nothing to contribute to the purpose....

so how is that loaded... it seems to be to be a pretty direct dead on description of whats going on, with a suggestion thrown in to divide different types of threads... much like we did in the past with Greddy FAQS/Greddy FIXES/Gredyy install threads.....:dunno:

"Might want to segregate that list up a bit into actual builds/advances/interactive and some of the "wanna-bes".
It doesn't really make sense to have folks like Fluid Motorsports, Baysj, PaulMasoner, Shinka213 or tubingchamp Since in that list they haven't (or can't) actually provide any data (some for obvious reasons).
That is, if I understand the point of this list"

Tell me thats not a loaded statement, I wasn't attacking anyone just observing what was said, with the way that was stated.

Actually I agree that was a comment pretty much guaranteed to piss off someone, but uh... that shouldn't really surprise anybody. He isn't exactly known for his desire to avoid contention even if just for fun. :)

I often ask myself that same question, as I look at this thread day after day and find very little that interests me, and I own this kit!

I have considered deleting my subscription here several times over the past year because of all the nonsense.

Anyways, most people avoid real discussion here; for whatever reason I don't know, but I hope its not fear of being ridiculed by the supposed "experts" or yet another post where someone wants to show how cleverly they can "write".

Then change your original post to reflect that it is only your personal opinion.


um what part of this isnt an OBVIOUS personal opinion....?? this is why i get tired of talking to some of you.
incorrect.


you forgot to mention SFR, PTP, and a couple other less known on this forum.

Congrats on your decision though. I'd bet a lot of the folks here would assume that i turn my nose at the SC, but even with some of the non ideal aspects of Pettit's FI system - i had my heart set on it for a few months.... the biggest reason i didnt end up staying the path was because i decided i wanted more area under the curve without having to rely on water/meth or anything else to do so.

FWIW i think that for a lot of people it is a good choice. Ease of install, equivalent to a top-mount in terms of bling factor, cost, decent bump in power. Basically i have nothing against it at all. It is what it is.




Area under the curve is a bit vauge, don't you think? Are you talking about the whole curve(1-9k), midrange, top end???


all of it.


You are touchy. Otherwise you wouldn't feel the need to constantly post in a thread about a product which you have never owned. Are you trying to convince Pettit owners that you know more about their setup than they do, or just trying to convince yourself that you made the right decision in going another direction?


neither, i am confident that i made the right choice for my car, as i am that you made the right choice for yours. you dont seem to get it, me being here isnt a SC/TC thing. it never was. its me not buying into your exagerated assumptions from that 'paper' that Pettit so convieniently was very vague about and has yet to ever offer anymore explanation on....



BTW, it would have been easy for most Pettit/Greddy owners to wait indefinately for a "perfect" FI setup. I can't speak for others, but I am glad I made the purchase when I did. Otherwise I wouldn't have learned as much as I have over the past year, not to mention enjoyed a car with FI.

-Yambo

well there is no perfect solution, far from it, i have my own gripes about my stuff, but i am comfortable with it still. Again, thats great that you jumped when you did, and your very happy with it.... i could care less about that, for me, the only reason i didnt was i knew it was going to be a long while before i was ready, and i knew that when my time came i could get results i would more prefer if i went turbo instead. thats all. hell if i could have jumped into the game a year ago, i'd have a Pettit too... hell, the only thing that ever kept me from it was the foreseeable power levels and how they'd be supported...

I don't think Jeff actually makes turbos lol. Also, the Garret turbo upgrade he has for the GReddy kit is generally considered one of the better possible setups available. There aren't a ton of people running the GT3071R but I haven't heard a single person that is running it complain about the Devil's Hairdryer. I was going to get it myself before I decided to go with the GT2871R instead. *shrug*

Anyway, whats going on in this thread? Is paul getting into fights with SC guys? :)

lol, duh, i have one..... the "turbos breaking" comment was directed at something that someone said to me previously

and no it shouldnt be a fight, and it shouldnt really have ANYTHING to do with supercharger guys in the sense that they are SC'd... i just want someone qualified to step up and fill in a butt load of vagueness in the little turbo renny failure theory...

Actually I agree that was a comment pretty much guaranteed to piss off someone, but uh... that shouldn't really surprise anybody. He isn't exactly known for his desire to avoid contention even if just for fun. :)

maybe, it wouldnt surprise me a bit either..... especially when it comes to him i view the forum with a very apathetic attitude. it allows me to see through alot of the drama and BS that goes on sometimes and take away whats important.

regardless of how else its been viewed, or whether i wasnt presented in a way that might or was intended to annoy anyone, ITS STILL RIGHT. get over the emotional/personal stuff everyone...

I often ask myself that same question, as I look at this thread day after day and find very little that interests me, and I own this kit!

I have considered deleting my subscription here several times over the past year because of all the nonsense.

Anyways, most people avoid real discussion here; for whatever reason I don't know, but I hope its not fear of being ridiculed by the supposed "experts" or yet another post where someone wants to show how cleverly they can "write".

so ignore him? people on here(not just you) say this kind of stuff all the time... why dont you just ignore and go on about your life and get over it?

lol, duh, i have one..... the "turbos breaking" comment was directed at something that someone said to me previously

and no it shouldnt be a fight, and it shouldnt really have ANYTHING to do with supercharger guys in the sense that they are SC'd... i just want someone qualified to step up and fill in a butt load of vagueness in the little turbo renny failure theory...

maybe, it wouldnt surprise me a bit either..... especially when it comes to him i view the forum with a very apathetic attitude. it allows me to see through alot of the drama and BS that goes on sometimes and take away whats important.

regardless of how else its been viewed, or whether i wasnt presented in a way that might or was intended to annoy anyone, ITS STILL RIGHT. get over the emotional/personal stuff everyone...

Oh, I wasn't jabbing you with that, I was just tickled by your comment responding to the previous poster. As far as Jeff, he used to piss me off with his comments until I realized that he just likes to wind people up. I honestly don't know why there is such an issue between different forms of forced induction. There are so few FI RX-8s and it's already a rare car, so anybody boosting the car gets a thumbs up from me. I don't care how they are doing it.

Then again, I'm "someone wants to show how cleverly they can "write"." LOL. Alright, leaving the thread now... not picking a fight with anybody just thought the thread was funny.

intercoolers doesnt help charge temps? And dont get tech on me.
Why is this discussion?
OD

Oh, I wasn't jabbing you with that, I was just tickled by your comment responding to the previous poster. As far as Jeff, he used to piss me off with his comments until I realized that he just likes to wind people up. I honestly don't know why there is such an issue between different forms of forced induction. There are so few FI RX-8s and it's already a rare car, so anybody boosting the car gets a thumbs up from me. I don't care how they are doing it.

Then again, I'm "someone wants to show how cleverly they can "write"." LOL. Alright, leaving the thread now... not picking a fight with anybody just thought the thread was funny.

i knew you werent jabbing, thats why i included the "lol" :) similar thoughts about MM between us.

i dont think you were the intended subject of that phrase though.. there is another here who fits the bill much better

intercoolers doesnt help charge temps? And dont get tech on me.
Why is this discussion?
OD


oh sure, thats their job. but they are only so good at it. not sure what you're going for?

the discussion for me is still waiting for someone to fill in all the vagueness of the assumptions and opinions about the failure theory paper. i get the feeling some think it still has something to do with a SC in some way. it doesnt. i have the turbo. even if jesus christ himself came down and told me that my turbo would "fry my ports at 9lbs and 310whp" and that they were right ... i still dont give a shit about any TC/SC debate as i wont be in a position to go and ghange my decision then since im not made out of money. For me its about confirming or denying my own opinions about some things.

maybe, it wouldnt surprise me a bit either..... especially when it comes to him i view the forum with a very apathetic attitude. it allows me to see through alot of the drama and BS that goes on sometimes and take away whats important.

regardless of how else its been viewed, or whether i wasnt presented in a way that might or was intended to annoy anyone, ITS STILL RIGHT. get over the emotional/personal stuff everyone...
And that first part of your statement completely negates your argument against why someone might take offense to the way Jeff employs his language
For someone with an apathetic view you certainly get wound up...

As the thread creator; IMO - yes it was loaded statement; and no - I don't care.

The point of this whole debacle is....

Raise your hand if you need info about MAF set-ups, fueling, cooling, build contsraints, component selection, water/meth or just water, compressor efficiency information, boost control (solenoid or pully), tuning observations, fabrication ideas, driveline issues.... la la la la? All of the things that happen when you double the power output.

Now that all our hands are up in the air - thus the thread was born.

The bonus is that we can keep a record of everyone's build thread for people who are shopping for FI.

The Bonus Bouns - we can go pick fights with the NA crowd.

And that first part of your statement completely negates your argument against why someone might take offense to the way Jeff employs his language
For someone with an apathetic view you certainly get wound up...

I'm not wound up. Tired of answering your posts that insist on avoiding my reason for being here still, maybe.

I feel very foolish as i have yet again let my self be dragged into the "everything is Jeff's fault here" discussion.

i could care less what you or anyone else here thinks of jeff. if you dont like him, ignore him. even 12yo girls getting spammed by pedofiles in a chatroom have enough sense to do that.

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the only thing i'm interested in discussing is still theory paper and all its vagueness

IT didnt offend me but I saw where it could have gone thats all,, Im glad Im not the only one whom thought that when it was posted...
BTW Kane I have some really cool custom stuff coming to my kit in the near future, I havent done a thread yet but I have all the pics as well as the ones that will be taken for the future mods so at that time I will build a thread dedicated to the SC install and customization of it...

Sounds cool man - I still wanna see the first guy who gets a clutch pulley to work.... 16 PSI at 3500 - tappering off to 12 PSI at redline.... I would imagine that would be a wild ride.

the only thing i'm interested in discussing is still theory paper and all its vagueness

Then call Cam up here's his number 561-844-2258

Then call Cam up here's his number 561-844-2258

Im in Honduras. I dont have the luxury of a phone line as you know it. For me to call a non military number takes an act of congress.

here's thier email sooo I guess you can't say you didn't try info@pettitracing.com

wow,

the thread crapping is amazing right now.. and they took down hymees stuff. gentlemen pm is the answer..

beers :beers:

i agree swoope.......

someday....someday...

emailed.

good, I hope it was as indepth as your posts were here,,, please post you findings for all of us to share...