Sebring, off season cooler weather?? :uhh: When my cars fixed :)

Moon call me

it appears juan is right--if you run a water meth system--you need a dual nozzle set up.
olddragger

it appears juan is right--if you run a water meth system--you need a dual nozzle set up.
olddragger

what thats it??

tease.

beers :beer:

mernin swoope!!!

mernin swoope!!!

drunk stains. wait that was early. sober not so good!

beers :beer:

Hey Swoope---puzzled?
OD

Hey Swoope---puzzled?
OD

OD - check time of his post?

:rollingla

Hey Swoope---puzzled?
OD

missed a letter. and sober.

i am enjoying the meth nozzle learning experience.. i need to get to lakeland and meet juan, and see the stuff on his car..

beers :beer:

it appears juan is right--if you run a water meth system--you need a dual nozzle set up.
olddragger

Why?

Why?

It is a balancing act. If you only run a pre-blower nozzle, your nozzle size will have to be somewhere of 225ml or higher in order to notice any lower IAT changes after the blower. If you run only run a post-blower nozzle it will have to be the same but the methanol mixture will not have enough time to atomize, which will result in lower whp. We tested a post-blower nozzle at the Pettit dyno and were able to achieve 289 whp with the 100ml nozzle and 263 whp with the 225ml nozzle. Keep in mind that both runs were made with a cool engine/intercooler. In order to achieve the same results but using less methanol I decided to run a 100ml nozzle pre-blower in order to lower the blower temperature and a 60ml nozzle post-blower to actually lower the IAT. Also, I relocated the post-blower nozzle to the farthest most point from the lower intake (just after the intercooler) thus allowing better atomization of the methanol/air mixture before entering the lower intake. This is only my suggestion and no dyno has been done to confirm it. I will be taking the car back to a dyno early next month to determine the best combination and runs will be done with the engine at normal or above operating temperature (which is the norm). Basically, if a 100ml pre-blower in conjunction with a 60ml post-blower (100 + 60 = 160) can achieve the same whp as of a 225ml pre-blower then the result will be 65 less ml of methanol injected into the engine. Will it work? I don’t know. Only a dyno will be able to determine that. A butt dyno will NOT be able to determine the differences of 20~30 whp. Well, at least my butt dyno can’t. And why wait for the dyno until next month? Because I’m installing an ExoticSpeed header on the 18th. I believe that I will be the first Pettit SC RX8 with a header unless there is one already out there. There is only 2~4 hp gains on a NA RX8 but I haven’t found any hp gain results from any header manufactures on a RX8 with a supercharger. Will it be worth it? I don’t know. But $500 for a brand new ExoticSpeed header, I could not pass on a one in a lifetime deal like that. If no major hp are gain, at least the car will drop a few extra pounds. :eyetwitch

Maybe you could play around with your mix?? What is that mixture flash point, I think 1/3 water, dont quote me on that. Im woundering if you get that perfect mix to where it almost burns it, even if it did burn just a little or alot:uhh: Didnt they do that on F1s for a while.

Maybe you could play around with your mix?? What is that mixture flash point, I think 1/3 water, dont quote me on that. Im woundering if you get that perfect mix to where it almost burns it, even if it did burn just a little or alot:uhh: Didnt they do that on F1s for a while.

I'm using Snow Performance Boost Juice 49% methanol 51% water. :eyetwitch

Has anyone used exhaust pipe wrap to keep the heat off the intake?
I am thinking of wrapping both the exhaust pipes and the lower intake that runs near the exhaust, I hope to be able to drop the temp a bit more if the methanol is no longer fighting the exhaust.

marsredr100
Wouldn't the air/fuel mapping make a difference in what methanol nozzle is best?
My mixture was a little leaner than I wanted, I think I made more power with methanol running.

PS: there is always the Nitro-Booster (http://www.snowperformance.net/product.php?pk=5) add-in to the methanol!

Has anyone used exhaust pipe wrap to keep the heat off the intake?
I am thinking of wrapping both the exhaust pipes and the lower intake that runs near the exhaust, I hope to be able to drop the temp a bit more if the methanol is no longer fighting the exhaust.

Might want to fab a good shield, I havent gotten around to it yet. I looked at the stock manifold out of a car and it looked like it would be a pain to wrap.

Has anyone used exhaust pipe wrap to keep the heat off the intake?
I am thinking of wrapping both the exhaust pipes and the lower intake that runs near the exhaust, I hope to be able to drop the temp a bit more if the methanol is no longer fighting the exhaust.

Don't know if wrapping the lower intake will do much due to overall engine bay heat soaking all parts in time. However, I do plan to wrap my ExoticSpeed header before install. :eyetwitch

marsredr100
Wouldn't the air/fuel mapping make a difference in what methanol nozzle is best?
My mixture was a little leaner than I wanted, I think I made more power with methanol running.

PS: there is always the Nitro-Booster (http://www.snowperformance.net/product.php?pk=5) add-in to the methanol!

Any modifications most certainly require changes to the air/fuel mapping in order to achieve optimum performance. Did I mentioned I wish I had a dyno in my garage?

Are you using the Nitro-Booster? Do you notice any gains? :eyetwitch

wrapping the header would be a major pain since it almost touches the lower intake etc--then you have to be concerned about the o2 sensor getting too hot etc. i did install a heat shield on top of the header and i think that helped a little.
the lower intake soaks heat like a bitch--i can see the iat going up as the engines temp goes up etc. Now do remember that the temp of the surface of the intake IS NOT your intake charge temp. That is one reason why the w/m system is so cool---pun intended.
i am tempted to just install the 175 nozzle post blower just to see how that works. But I dont dyno like Juan does---hes the man-- and I bet that 8 with that header is going to sound soooooo good.
olddragger

wrapping the header would be a major pain since it almost touches the lower intake etc--then you have to be concerned about the o2 sensor getting too hot etc. i did install a heat shield on top of the header and i think that helped a little.
the lower intake soaks heat like a bitch--i can see the iat going up as the engines temp goes up etc. Now do remember that the temp of the surface of the intake IS NOT your intake charge temp. That is one reason why the w/m system is so cool---pun intended.
i am tempted to just install the 175 nozzle post blower just to see how that works. But I dont dyno like Juan does---hes the man-- and I bet that 8 with that header is going to sound soooooo good.
olddragger


Wouldn't the proximity of the lower intake make wrapping the header better?
I admit the O2 sensor would probably bite it much sooner, but maybe the intake charge will come down, I have seen my IAT go to 160 degrees before.
(Gotta love Orlando summer traffic)

I'm an embarrassed owner of an 07 RX8 6spd-auto with a Pettit stage II sc. I have read the owners manual, searched for an answer for hours online, and went to my local Mazda dealership for help, but I can't find my tranny fluid dipstick! They printed a picture showing it to be a red cap in front of the passenger side firewall, but I can't find it.
So far, I'm having a blast. I'm premixing protek with every fill-up, and redlining at least once every trip out. The center console gets pretty warm and I'm scared to death, well, at least a little paranoid that the tranny is overheating.
Anyhow, is the 07 auto a sealed unit, or is the dipstick relocated or hidden by the SC? Maybe an old guy too blind to find a dipstick should'nt be allowed to drive a SC'd rx8, but, hey, I think i'm in love.

wrapping the header would be good--dont forget you already have a double wall header and an aluminum heat shroud on top of that. it would be a bitch to wrap and get it all covered---and you have to get it ALL covered. it would be better to have a shroud of some sort me think. Also remember a lot of this heat is coming from the engine and not the header.
I agree with Juan getting the water meth "tuned" is the best bet and if you dont have a water meth system GET ONE!!!
OD

I should've allready had one installed considering how hot this summer is shaping up to be.

I'm an embarrassed owner of an 07 RX8 6spd-auto with a Pettit stage II sc. I have read the owners manual, searched for an answer for hours online, and went to my local Mazda dealership for help, but I can't find my tranny fluid dipstick! They printed a picture showing it to be a red cap in front of the passenger side firewall, but I can't find it.
So far, I'm having a blast. I'm premixing protek with every fill-up, and redlining at least once every trip out. The center console gets pretty warm and I'm scared to death, well, at least a little paranoid that the tranny is overheating.
Anyhow, is the 07 auto a sealed unit, or is the dipstick relocated or hidden by the SC? Maybe an old guy too blind to find a dipstick should'nt be allowed to drive a SC'd rx8, but, hey, I think i'm in love.

I just talk to Cam at Pettit and told him about your question/concern. He told me that the 6sp automatic transmission does not have a dipstick. The Mazda dealer gave you the spec diagram of a 4sp automatic transmission that does have a dipstick. Basically, your transmission is a sealed unit. Don’t be embarrassed. I didn’t know that either until I talked to Cam. BTW, the heat you notice is coming from the torque converter. Call Cam at 561-296-0776 if you have more questions regarding your 8 since they are the ones that installed and tuned your car. :eyetwitch

Since wrapping the exhaust is such a pain; can we wrap the lower intake instead?

I'm an embarrassed owner of an 07 RX8 6spd-auto with a Pettit stage II sc. I have read the owners manual, searched for an answer for hours online, and went to my local Mazda dealership for help, but I can't find my tranny fluid dipstick! They printed a picture showing it to be a red cap in front of the passenger side firewall, but I can't find it.
So far, I'm having a blast. I'm premixing protek with every fill-up, and redlining at least once every trip out. The center console gets pretty warm and I'm scared to death, well, at least a little paranoid that the tranny is overheating.
Anyhow, is the 07 auto a sealed unit, or is the dipstick relocated or hidden by the SC? Maybe an old guy too blind to find a dipstick should'nt be allowed to drive a SC'd rx8, but, hey, I think i'm in love.

Congrats again. I just got an email announcing your winning. Definitely call Cam with any questions at all you have about anything under the hood. If you have questions about the sound system or the body kit, call Jay Laub :)

Thanks! I can sleep tonight. I 'm looking forward to talking to Cam because this thing runs perfectly. I didn't think an automatic in a performance car could be so much fun, but damn, I can't wipe this smile off my face.

Since wrapping the exhaust is such a pain; can we wrap the lower intake instead?

Humm! Not sure on that but consider fabing a heat shield ala mazdatrix like the one made for the holley carb http://www.mazdatrix.com/r-holley.htm

BTW, are you using the Nitro Boost? Any hp gains? :eyetwitch

Humm! Not sure on that but consider fabing a heat shield ala mazdatrix like the one made for the holley carb http://www.mazdatrix.com/r-holley.htm

BTW, are you using the Nitro Boost? Any hp gains? :eyetwitch

I just saw the Nitro-Booster a couple of days ago.
I want it....
I am checking to find some local; otherwise it takes 5 days via ground shipping.
How dangerous can 8 ozs of Nitro-Methane be? :uhh:

Snow reports it does lean the mix slightly, mines rich under load...
A/F = 10.4 or 10.5

Well, congrats on the car, glad you like it, thought you would. PS, im jealous. Keep us posted on what youve done or improved.
Just had a thought, why not insolate the intake, just a thought. Just imagine how hot it would be if you had a turbo, opps did I just start another fight :banghead: .

Thanks! I can sleep tonight. I 'm looking forward to talking to Cam because this thing runs perfectly. I didn't think an automatic in a performance car could be so much fun, but damn, I can't wipe this smile off my face.

hey btw...i just got an email today from BP about you winning the car!!!

although, i already knew... :rollingla

welcome to the 8 club and the world of forced-induction the pettit way!!

Well, congrats on the car, glad you like it, thought you would. PS, im jealous. Keep us posted on what youve done or improved.
Just had a thought, why not insolate the intake, just a thought. Just imagine how hot it would be if you had a turbo, opps did I just start another fight :banghead: .

I like the thought of intake insulation, wrapping it with exhaust wrap might work.

We have a foil covered insolation at the shop, it would look alot cleaner if you use something simuler, the stuff we have is pretty expensive but I bet youd see lower intake temps if used properly.

You can install it on my car and see how well it works. :)

Apply it to the lower intake folowing the runner curves and slightly wraped around the top.

I made a heat shield out of some very thin sheet metal and wrapped that with some heat exhaust wrap, secured with little screws etc. I mounted that on top of the aluminum oem shield/engine, just below the lower intake and across to the frame/body. it helps some, but my conculsion is that the heat is coming from the engine itself not the header. We may benefit from a heat blocking intake gasket like the honda guys sometimes use.
olddragger

I made a heat shield out of some very thin sheet metal and wrapped that with some heat exhaust wrap, secured with little screws etc. I mounted that on top of the aluminum oem shield/engine, just below the lower intake and across to the frame/body. it helps some, but my conculsion is that the heat is coming from the engine itself not the header. We may benefit from a heat blocking intake gasket like the honda guys sometimes use.
olddragger

Some more evidence for that conclusion..

I had my I/C pump loose prime today. Its amazing how fast IAT climbs when that happens -- within about 2-3 minutes, IAT had climbed and steadied out at 182 degF, which was 15degF cooler than my coolant temp at the time. This was all while cruising at 3000rpm (no boost).

yep that happened to me once also.
OD

Juan have you had a chance to install the headers?

i think Juan is out of town right now? Visiting family?
olddragger

i think Juan is out of town right now? Visiting family?
olddragger

Yes, I'm in Puerto Rico until Tuesday. Header got home and hope to have it install by Friday. I'll post pictures and butt dyno results afterward. :eyetwitch

Bring me back some alcapurrias and piononos lolol

ok ---sharing some info in regard to heat issues and IAT's.

1- I have found out that the rb scoop causes a recirculation swirl at the top part of the radiator. The rb scoop has to be removed---if you are using it---and the 2nd heat plate thing that attaches to the front crash bar needs to reinstalled. Actually you need to make a better one to seal that area in a better manner. I did run just a 3 inch flex pipe from tbehind the grill to the engine comparment to give it a little air. Also seal the sides where the plasic joins the metal--use foam --whatever. Seal as much as you can in the area that feeds the coolers--all of them.

2- mount the a/w intercoolers (and do keep them in parellell) as far away from the a/c condeser as you can AND mount them as upright as you can. If you use an additional fan (pusher type) on the i/c DO NOT use it until the engine fans come on as it will bounce hotter air off the a/c, radiator back onto the i/c making it hotter!

3- my car would at times fluctuate between 180F and almost 200F --- so i drilled the thermostat. Now it doesnt.

4- water /meth---- you have to have one nozzle post blower and intercooler. if you only have one nozzle pre blower(and intercooler) then the intercooler will actually heat the water meth spray and you will not notice much change unless you go to a big nozzle! 60 pre for me and 100 post. This shit works! It should be one of the 1st things you get. DO IT!!!

My normal operating engine temps are now down noticiabily and i have control over what temp I want for the iat, whenever i want it.

Everything else that is being done concerning engine temps(a better radiator, lower thermostat is still GOOD) and IAT's in the south is just chasing fleas imho.
Olddragger

Everything else that is being done concerning engine temps(a better radiator, lower thermostat is still GOOD) and IAT's in the south is just chasing fleas imho.
Olddragger

On this particular issue it will interesting for me to see what Juan's experiences are as he has the BHR radiator. Pettit also has a BHR rad to play with and I am awaiting Cam's input on it as well.

Hey Phill I'll be in your neck of the woods the last week in July.

Maybe we could meet up I would love to see your 8.

No doubt --increase the size of the heart and you increased the aerobic capacity. it wound be good also when you do an install to do better sealing of the front, make her a little more vertical and DONT FORGET A THERMOSTAT.:) hint hint:)
OD

Old-Dragger:
> 3- my car would at times fluctuate between 180F and almost 200F --- so i drilled the thermostat. Now it doesnt.

You can also cut everything off the thermostat except the flat "body" washer that fits the thermostat housing for the lowest temp, but the car will be very slow to warm up.


4- water /meth---- you have to have one nozzle post blower and intercooler. if you only have one nozzle pre blower(and intercooler) then the intercooler will actually heat the water meth spray and you will not notice much change unless you go to a big nozzle! 60 pre for me and 100 post. This shit works! It should be one of the 1st things you get. DO IT!!!

I am running the 175 ml nozzle in front of the blower, this explains a lot.

Mounting a nozzle before the blower just cools the blower itself.
It does nothing for your net intake latent heat.
Its kinda sad that you need to cool the blower in the first place.

Just put a big nozzle after the blower and call it a day (unless you are actually worried about the blower's longevity due to heat-related damage; but that is a different story).

twin screws really dont have to worry much about that --the discussions i have heard concern the roots style with those large air chambers. But if you can make things run cooler they usually last longer and perform better--sort of like making sure the turbo is getting enough oil and a turbo timer is installed?
OD

No doubt --increase the size of the heart and you increased the aerobic capacity. it wound be good also when you do an install to do better sealing of the front, make her a little more vertical and DONT FORGET A THERMOSTAT.:) hint hint:)
OD

you going to corner the market on the thermostat sales??? :lol:

beers:beer:

i've completely quit following this thread, so i may be WAY out in left field... but just scanning a few pages here and there, this thread gives the appearance of constant work being done by trial and error to try and makes things perform as they should have in the first place. a couple of years ago i was a big fan of this kit(the idea of it).

not saying otherwise now, as i dont have the knowledge either way to judge, but for random people that would be to walk in here and scan through it, its not very appealing....

i hope this isnt the case and i've just had the unfortunate luck to catch the wrong pages and misinterpret things, cause if i was new to all this and didnt know any better than what i've just glanced at here and there lately.... i wouldnt even bother reading up on it:uhh:

Hey Swoope --- I am Thermoman!
Hey guys --what can be used to seal the vdi, observations show me that unless it is very precisely positioned --it can be partially open on one side.
olddragger

I guess your just unlucky. lol

Well I have had the kit over a year now. I received everything I was told the kit would do. I am real happy with it. I have done AutoX, Drag strip, road course events and even the ocassional traffic light and highway run. The car is my daily driver.

The people that mostly post on here are hard core 8ers. They always want to improve the car. They will try things to better their car. It's part of being an enthusiast. If I was as knowledgeable as they are I would be trying things out on my own. Lucky for me they try it and if it works they pass the intel along.

I thank you for your concern. No the S/C kit is nothing like the Greddy kit it works just like I was told from day one. As far as I know no one regrets there decison of going with the S/C. Hopefully this will shed some light on your concerns.

Hey OD any recommendationson a helmet. I have done and plan on continuing doing different events with my 8 that it's time I get my own helmet

12k miles in 13 months and I drag race occasionally and autocross monthly (lately in 90+ degree heat). This kit works right out of the box.

What you'll see here in the Pettit Owner's thread are people discussing how to try and make things even better, and the occasional haters that have their own agenda trying to put the kit down.

Helmet? Just make sure it is rated correctly for what you are interested in doing. I really like the open face design as i have more visability vs the full face kind.
I got mine through an ad in grass roots magazine and it came with a free helmet liner bag thingy. I believe the company was Discovery parts or something of that nature. I also got "real" driving shoes (low top pilotis --spelling?) thru them. you can pay anywhere from $100 to $1000 for a helmet!!
I have a big head:)
Right on everyone--we are forever tweaking on these things. maybe I will start a new thread?
olddragger

I got this in an email and thought you guys would get a kick out of it.

WHAT TO DO IF YOU GET A TRAFFIC TICKET



This advice was sent by a retired State Farm agent. This system has been

tried and it works in every state.



If you get a speeding ticket or went through a red light, or whatever the

case may be, you're going to get points on your license and a surcharge on

your auto insurance. This is a method to insure that you DO NOT get the

points..



When you get your fine, send in a check to pay for it. If the fine is $79.00

make the check out for $82.00, some small amount over the fine. The system

will then have to send you back a check for the difference. However, here is

the trick: DO NOT CASH THE REFUND CHECK! Throw it away !



Points are not assessed to your license until all Financial Transactions are

complete. If you do not cash the check, then the transactions are NOT

complete. The system has received its money and is satisfied and will no

longer bother you.



This information comes from an unmentionable computer company that sets up

the standard databases used by every state.



Send this to everyone you know. You never know when they may need a break.

Hey OD any recommendationson a helmet. I have done and plan on continuing doing different events with my 8 that it's time I get my own helmet


Arai is good.

My Nitro-Boost from Snow Performance is shipping today!
For some funny reason, it has to ship ground.....
(Yes, it's nitro-methane and an emulsifier)

I will let you know if you want to try this stuff or not soon.
From the post from Old dragger, I'll need to get the dual injection setup as well.
Ray is going to be sellng me a TB plate for the methanol too.
(When they are for sale; Ray, you listening?)


PS: Jeff, I do like cooling the blower, an extra 2 or 3 PSI of boost is very fun....

Helmet? Just make sure it is rated correctly for what you are interested in doing. I really like the open face design as i have more visability vs the full face kind.
I got mine through an ad in grass roots magazine and it came with a free helmet liner bag thingy. I believe the company was Discovery parts or something of that nature. I also got "real" driving shoes (low top pilotis --spelling?) thru them. you can pay anywhere from $100 to $1000 for a helmet!!
I have a big head:)
Right on everyone--we are forever tweaking on these things. maybe I will start a new thread?
olddragger

roland,

i picked up just what denny talks about.. an open face with the latest snell rating. from discovery parts for 149 bucks. am very happy with it..

i hated to spend money on a helmet as i have two for motorcycle riding, but he open face is nice.

beers :beer:

I don't know if you have a VP Racing Fuel in your neck of the woods but try the M5. It has the nitro mixed in with the meth already plus some lube. I am runnning it had the car seems smoother. Until I get to dyno and tune it could just be all in my head.

roland,

i picked up just what denny talks about.. an open face with the latest snell rating. from discovery parts for 149 bucks. am very happy with it..

i hated to spend money on a helmet as i have two for motorcycle riding, but he open face is nice.

beers :beer:

Thanks I am going to look them up now. That is a real good price.

Well I just orderd my helmet and new shoes from discovery parts
Thanks again for the heads up OD and Swoope

I got this in an email and thought you guys would get a kick out of it.

WHAT TO DO IF YOU GET A TRAFFIC TICKET



This advice was sent by a retired State Farm agent. This system has been

tried and it works in every state.



If you get a speeding ticket or went through a red light, or whatever the

case may be, you're going to get points on your license and a surcharge on

your auto insurance. This is a method to insure that you DO NOT get the

points..



When you get your fine, send in a check to pay for it. If the fine is $79.00

make the check out for $82.00, some small amount over the fine. The system

will then have to send you back a check for the difference. However, here is

the trick: DO NOT CASH THE REFUND CHECK! Throw it away !



Points are not assessed to your license until all Financial Transactions are

complete. If you do not cash the check, then the transactions are NOT

complete. The system has received its money and is satisfied and will no

longer bother you.



This information comes from an unmentionable computer company that sets up

the standard databases used by every state.



Send this to everyone you know. You never know when they may need a break.

That may work in your end of the country but in Nevada until the payment is correct they do not record it and it will go to warrant when the normal time is up. But the nice thing in Clark County is that if there is no accident or injury associated with the ticket you can just pay the fine with no points.

nice traffic ticket info share---thanks!
fact about the water meth
1 gallon -20F w/w fluid plus 3 bottles of HEET (gas line protector) mixed together(about $6) = to 116 octane gas that is injected when you need it only.
plus you are actually able to cool the iat BELOW ambient if you want.
olddragger

I got this in an email and thought you guys would get a kick out of it.

WHAT TO DO IF YOU GET A TRAFFIC TICKET

Won't work here, either.
When you pay, it will get recorded. They will send a check (eventually) for the overage, but they don't care if you ever cash it. They've fulfilled their obligation by mailing it.
The coffers could be off by millions every year and the Maricopa County Treasurer would never notice (or mention it to the public).

yall should see what i am doing with the lower intake.
it will be a while before you can see. i think you will like. it will not give you 20hp or anything like that BUT it should give a little and it sure will be more interesting.
olddragger

yall should see what i am doing with the lower intake.
it will be a while before you can see. i think you will like. it will not give you 20hp or anything like that BUT it should give a little and it sure will be more interesting.
olddragger

so i dont need to buy ice to cool the mini keg next time?? :)

keep up the good work!

beers :beer:

To all; make sure you do not get any water in or around your throttle body. Mine died after 80k+ miles and I wanted to know why, so I took it apart. There was a groove for a seal/o-ring, but NO seal/o-ring!!! There was also a significant amount of water/moisture in there. I don't know if mine is a fluke, or if mazda is assembling these without a seal, but i'd sure like to find out! Many thanks to Paul and the guys at mazmart. According to Cam, the price they gave me on a throttle body is a fraction of the price mazda charges for a new one.

This is a quick heads up. I will be posting pics of my old throttle body later.

-Yambo

You mean the seal between the electronics and the TB itself?

Good thing I have two or three of those laying around...

You mean the seal between the electronics and the TB itself?

Good thing I have two or three of those laying around...

Yes. That is the one.

Well, that sucks.
I wash that area all the time.
Of course, Mazda - in their infinite wisdom - chose to assemble the unit with rivets instead of screws, so you can't service the part.
I guess you could dribble some LokTite into the crack and let capillary action take it all the way around as insurance.

Well, that sucks.
I wash that area all the time.
Of course, Mazda - in their infinite wisdom - chose to assemble the unit with rivets instead of screws, so you can't service the part.
I guess you could dribble some LokTite into the crack and let capillary action take it all the way around as insurance.

Tell me about it. If I could come by a new electronics plate, I believe my old one would work again. Maybe its because mine is positioned with the plate on the bottom, maybe I have the only one in the world without a seal.....or maybe mazda sends every unit out that way assuming only a fraction of owners will actually dissasemble theirs due to the high cost of a new unit???

with the warranty extended wouldn't it be covered?

with the warranty extended wouldn't it be covered?

No. New warranty only covers the keg.

Am I the first Pettit SC RX8 with a header?

Well, I think so unless someone hasn’t said so. Anyway, see pixs of my new ExoticSpeed header before and after wrapping it with heat wrap. Initial butt dyno indicates an improvement in WOT response and exhaust tone now is similar to a NA 13B engine with a RB header + RB exhaust system. Basically like my old 88 GTU RX7. Only a dyno will truly indicate if whp went up and how much. I’m driving my car to Orlando tomorrow morning roundtrip with the usual but no mandatory I-4 130+ mph sprint. :eyetwitch

sweet juan---i have been thinking about just the obx header since "tuned" headers are mute point for our zero overlap engine. that is one beatiful piece. too bad it has to be wrapped--but that should help with some of the underhood heat AND some of the heat soak in the lower intake. I have a little concern about burning up the front o2 sensor(by wrapping) but I really dont know.
I have been speaking with Snow performance some and we are contemplating trying to custom fit(data collecting) nozzle placement on our set up. We have such long intake runners, the methanol may play a more important role than in other set ups. It seems the water can actually evaporate before getting into the combustion chamber if the nozzle is too far from the port. Thanks for the work you have done on the dyno--i am using it.
One question---are you seeing any increase in psi when you use the pre blower nozzle?
Oh yea a little hint---whenever you want to clean your engine just set your controller so that it will spray continuously---i used a gallon in 10miles! Cleaned the Hell out of it!!
Are you using the w/w fluid + HEET?
Now that you are back i will ship the a/w cooler to ya. Hope yall had a really good time on your trip.
I am working on the lower intake--there are ridges to smooth out+ some other secret stuff--for instance --why do we keep the secondary valve?:)
The vdi valve does not seat properly allowing a very small amount of leakage so i am JB welding that and them smoothing it out.
There are casting parts of the intake that can be removed so it can ventilate better and combat the heat soak thing. I may end up ceramic coating it inside and out. Dont know yet. And i am really looking for a heat spacer between the intake and engine like the Honda/nisson guys.
I am beginning to wonder if we need to monitor the egt's more so than the iat's since our iat is so far away from the ports.
You know what? I am addicted to this damn thing--- Jesus---we need a support group.
Oh by the way i am getting some blow by from the silicone connector during some high rpm's. Have you noticed how much more the engine moves on the mounts now? it causes the silicone connector to actually "bend" and some leakage. i didnt know that until i move my nozzle and actually saw some w/m on the outside of the manifold.y. the cars motor mounts seem to be softer on compression than rebound causing the engine to give more on the drivers side and rebound less on the passengers side. i am looking for an engine damper and i dont know about the weapon r quality. Know of any others?
olddragger

Am I the first Pettit SC RX8 with a header?

Well, I think so unless someone hasn’t said so. Anyway, see pixs of my new ExoticSpeed header before and after wrapping it with heat wrap. Initial butt dyno indicates an improvement in WOT response and exhaust tone now is similar to a NA 13B engine with a RB header + RB exhaust system. Basically like my old 88 GU RX7. Only a dyno will truly indicate if whp went up and how much. I’m driving my car to Orlando tomorrow morning roundtrip with the usual but no mandatory I-4 130+ mph sprint. :eyetwitch

saweet!!!

off da chain!!!

Wow OD! Lets limit a couple of questions at a time shall we? I’m working on my summer honey do list and starting a new job tomorrow; therefore it will take a while to go thru your laundry list. Anyways, my trip to Orlando and back yesterday was awesome. The car feels a lot stronger, especially when I smash the throttle. I borrowed Bastage’s scan gauge on my way back from Orlando and I registered 2~4 degrees AIT higher than Ambient temperature at the intake (pre blower MAF intake temp). I was driving with my cruise control set at 77 mph for a good 30 to 40 minutes. Ambient temperature was 78 and no AC. And before everyone ask…I’m running the RB ram air intake and a homemade heat shield box around the intake air filter. (see pix) The AIT after the blower was the normal 20~30 degrees higher than ambient but after the no mandatory but yet joyful I-4 130+ mph sprint I registered 97 degrees AIT. That was 130+ from cruising for over 30 minutes at 77 mph and always on 6th gear. I’m using the snow boost juice and with a 100 ml nozzle at pre-blower and a 60 ml nozzle post-blower. No meth leaks whatsoever. One more thing I noticed after the header install is a quicker vacuum to boost transition. I’ll have to wait until my son gets back from his mom to see if the boost got higher than 9.0 psi since I don’t look at any of my gauges while at drive it like you stole it mode. He acts as my second pair of eyes while I keep mine on the road. OK, last thing, I registered 23 mpg while cruising at 77 mph no AC. Oh, I almost forgot we did a meth kit install on Bastage's car and Swoope came over to provide an ample supply of beer. Thank you so much sir and it will take me a while to finish the left overs. Man I have never seen my recycling bin so full. :eyetwitch

i am looking for an engine damper and i dont know about the weapon r quality. Know of any others?
olddragger


"engine damper " = chains?

Just weld the motor mounts. Problem solved.

Am I the first Pettit SC RX8 with a header?

Well, I think so unless someone hasn’t said so. Anyway, see pixs of my new ExoticSpeed header before and after wrapping it with heat wrap. Initial butt dyno indicates an improvement in WOT response and exhaust tone now is similar to a NA 13B engine with a RB header + RB exhaust system. Basically like my old 88 GU RX7. Only a dyno will truly indicate if whp went up and how much. I’m driving my car to Orlando tomorrow morning roundtrip with the usual but no mandatory I-4 130+ mph sprint. :eyetwitch

Juan......stupid question, but is that tie-wrap on the heat wrap only intended to be temporary?

Dave

I’ll have to wait until my son gets back from his mom to see if the boost got higher than 9.0 psi since I don’t look at any of my gauges while at drive it like you stole it mode.


I'll volunteer, just promise you won't get us (mostly me) killed :lol:


Oh, I almost forgot we did a meth kit install on Bastage's car and Swoope came over to provide an ample supply of beer. Thank you so much sir and it will take me a while to finish the left overs. Man I have never seen my recycling bin so full. :eyetwitch

Yeah, thanks for the beer Swoope, that was bloody cool of you. :beerchug:

Juan......stupid question, but is that tie-wrap on the heat wrap only intended to be temporary?

Dave

Nope, the heat wrap is not self-adhesive. The stainless steel tie-wraps are there permanently to keep the heat wrap in place. :eyetwitch

I just found these, what do you think??

http://www.optionsauto.com/prodinfo.asp?number=OKD-PD4003601R

I just found these, what do you think??

http://www.optionsauto.com/prodinfo.asp?number=OKD-PD4003601R

I would ask if you are joking, but I know you aren't really capable of insight or sarcasm.
Welcome to last year.

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=124354&highlight=okada
http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=119170&highlight=okada
http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=123152&highlight=okada
http://www.okadaprojects.com/usa/home.htm

I would ask if you are joking, but I know you aren't really capable of insight or sarcasm.
Welcome to last year.


Actually it would work better if you grew up and learned how to respond without sarcasm. Then you wouldn't get taken to the woodshed.

Welcome to now.

Nope, the heat wrap is not self-adhesive. The stainless steel tie-wraps are there permanently to keep the heat wrap in place. :eyetwitch

Didn't notice they were stainless. :) Should have possibly looked a little closer! :uhh:

Actually it would work better if you grew up and learned how to respond without sarcasm.

That wasn't sarcasm. That was poignancy.
You should learn the difference - it will make your reading experience more enjoyable.


Then you wouldn't get taken to the woodshed.

So that's where you and Moon hold your trysts. I was wondering about that.
Must be a dirdy-souf thing.

I would ask if you are joking, but I know you aren't really capable of insight or sarcasm.
Welcome to last year.

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=124354&highlight=okada
http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=119170&highlight=okada
http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=123152&highlight=okada
http://www.okadaprojects.com/usa/home.htm

O, thanks for pointing that out Jeff, its shows me so much. You the man. I wana be just like you when I grow up, you sexy thang. :rant:

O, thanks for pointing that out Jeff, its shows me so much.


Glad to help. I figured your search button was broken.

You the man. I wana be just like you when I grow up, you sexy thang. :rant:

Now you are getting the hang of it! Bravo!

O, thanks for pointing that out Jeff, its shows me so much. You the man. I wana be just like you when I grow up, you sexy thang. :rant:

Why would you want to grow up to be an asshole?

OH nevermind! You are capable of sarcasm, and apparently so am I. :lol2:

Juan--i said neg to the obx after a second look--seems their o2 sensor placement is on one pipe only--not on a collector like what you have.
I am so jealous. May have to build my own.
olddragger

Juan--i said neg to the obx after a second look--seems their o2 sensor placement is on one pipe only--not on a collector like what you have.
I am so jealous. May have to build my own.
olddragger

Nah! Don't be jealous. Just be patient and keep searching for a good deal.

Here make them an offer. :eyetwitch

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ExoticSpeed-SE-1-Mazda-RX8-RX-8-SE3P-03-On-Race-Header_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1713Q2em153Q2el1 262QQcategoryZ33636QQihZ025QQitemZ380034541471QQtc Zphoto

That wasn't sarcasm. That was poignancy.
You should learn the difference - it will make your reading experience more enjoyable.

No, that was sarcasm. Poignancy requires a depth of compassion for one's fellow man :smoker:



So that's where you and Moon hold your trysts. I was wondering about that.
Must be a dirdy-souf thing.

:lol: God, that's an original retort. Back to the woodshed for you, your cheap shots are a little stale.

By the way, how's your supercharger?

No, that was sarcasm. Poignancy requires a depth of compassion for one's fellow man :smoker:

Poignancy requires no particular compassion. It is alternately "astute and pertinent" and "a quality that arouses emotions (especially pity or sorrow)".

By the way, how's your supercharger?

Its excellent, especially without that pesky belt.

Poignancy requires no particular compassion. It is alternately "astute and pertinent" and "a quality that arouses emotions (especially pity or sorrow)".

Its excellent, especially without that pesky belt.

No,sorry. It was still sarcasm. Much as most of your observations of other's efforts are "shit" (paraphrase) and not supportive, mostly 2 or r3 backhanded and baiting comments for every meaningful contribution you make. By the way, just got the PLX Wideband today, and you're right, it looks the shit.

Follows that your ego leads you to a forum for a product you don't even own or use, yet feel free to abuse.

You have an obvious talent and skill in this arena, but truth be told, I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire (hope springs eternal).

If you could somehow match your personality to your skills, you'd truly be a force to be admired.

As far as abusing the "product" goes - I've yet to ever abuse the "product". It is an innocent.
I save my abuse for the people who designed, built and sold the "product".
And, occasionally, the people that have bought it.

I'm not particularly interested in your admiration, though I obviously already have it.
Don't you find it interesting that a little over 18% of your posts on this forum are responses to me?
Well, you can at least take comfort in the fact that your personality and skill match perfectly in that they are completely absent by any measure.

Don't you find it interesting that a little over 18% of your posts on this forum are responses to me?


A statistic that means absolutely nothing when he only has 91 posts in this entire forum, and MM has 287 posts just in the Pettit threads. I bet MM's patting himself on the back or insulting someone else at a much higher percentage.

Since he's got the time to read through 91 posts and figure out that 18% of them were responses to him, maybe he'll have the time to scrutinize his own ~10,000 posts and realize that he probably deserved most of those responses. If only he was capable of pointing the finger at himself, but I don't think his wrist bends that way.

A statistic that means absolutely nothing when he only has 91 posts in this entire forum, and MM has 287 posts just in the Pettit threads. I bet MM's patting himself on the back or insulting someone else at a much higher percentage.

Since he's got the time to read through 91 posts and figure out that 18% of them were responses to him, maybe he'll have the time to scrutinize his own ~10,000 posts and realize that he probably deserved most of those responses. If only he was capable of pointing the finger at himself, but I don't think his wrist bends that way.

:lol2:

That makes it 19%.

Thanks for quoting Bastage - I wouldn't have seen his post otherwise since I blocked him last year.
Nice to see he still thinks what I say is more worthy of commentary than the discussion at hand.

That makes it 19%.

Thanks for quoting Bastage - I wouldn't have seen his post otherwise since I blocked him last year.

Yeah, he blocked me right after he insinuated that Pettit falsified its dyno-sheets and I had to give him a tutorial on how to !@#$ing read one (with excel spreadsheets and everything :lol2: ).

Then he deleted the thread and buried his head in the sand to all things Bastage. :)

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/18/23860934_6b5b7ed93b.jpg

I think if I had an ego like his and had been schooled by a n00b like myself I would have quit the forum, but deleting the thread-of-pwnage and putting someone on a block list is so much easier :Eyecrazy: He never even admitted he was wrong, he just deleted the thread and pretended it didn't happen.

You really gotta feel bad for guy like that, you now. I meen the only reasons hes hanging out on this thread that I can think of is
1. jelous of not owning a SC and because of that being in the 3 or more motor club.
2. pissed off every turbo owner on the forum except the ones that hump his leg and they even get tired of his crap
3. well, got nuthing better to do and wants to be the first guy in RX8 forum history to break 10,000 posts, way to go!!!
4. likes it when I call him sweety


Dude get off the computer and do something

Now that's funny on so many levels.

You really gotta feel bad for guy like that, you now. I meen the only reasons hes hanging out on this thread that I can think of is
1. jelous of not owning a SC and because of that being in the 3 or more motor club.
2. pissed off every turbo owner on the forum except the ones that hump his leg and they even get tired of his crap
3. well, got nuthing better to do and wants to be the first guy in RX8 forum history to break 10,000 posts, way to go!!!
4. likes it when I call him sweety


Dude get off the computer and do something

the 10 k club is small, but it is real.. :)

ahhhh, the love i get out of this thread..

beers :beer:

the 10 k club is small, but it is real..

Sententious and insightful commentary is not Moon's strong suit.

BTW - How much liquid are you guys going through with your water/meth systems?
I seem to use a lot - somewhere in the 1 quart to a half gallon a day range.
Now, I'm in boost a lot, but it still seems like that is a lot of liquid.

You really gotta feel bad for guy like that, you now. I meen the only reasons hes hanging out on this thread that I can think of is
1. jelous of not owning a SC and because of that being in the 3 or more motor club.
2. pissed off every turbo owner on the forum except the ones that hump his leg and they even get tired of his crap
3. well, got nuthing better to do and wants to be the first guy in RX8 forum history to break 10,000 posts, way to go!!!
4. likes it when I call him sweety

Dude get off the computer and do something

Yeah man, you need to do some more research; he's in the 4 or more motor club. Get with the !@#$ing program :)

It's funny how quickly he responds to posts over here on the Pettit Owner's thread, but he's got customers who paid ~$700 for an AP that wait almost a month to have their questions answered:

Jeff:

I sent you an email to your "AP" address on 5/29 from my bhfx.net account, and then a follow-up on 6/4 from my gmail address. Have you gotten a chance to look at it, or are you still really backlogged?

(read this line with a french accent for SpongeBob narrator effect)

20 days later

I just read it.
I'll respond later in the afternoon.


Quote:
Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
I just read it.
I'll respond later in the afternoon.

Hey Jeff,

This was almost six days ago....what's going on? You don't like me or something?? :dunno:

Funny.

BTW - How much liquid are you guys going through with your water/meth systems?
I seem to use a lot - somewhere in the 1 quart to a half gallon a day range.
Now, I'm in boost a lot, but it still seems like that is a lot of liquid.

:rollingla

I've installed a hitch and have to tow around a small agricultural 25 gallon tank with a high flow demand pump just to get to work...oh, no, wait, that's on my turbo F350, sorry....

BTW - How much liquid are you guys going through with your water/meth systems?
I seem to use a lot - somewhere in the 1 quart to a half gallon a day range.
Now, I'm in boost a lot, but it still seems like that is a lot of liquid.

That sounds about right to me. Some times I'll go through a gallon in a day.:Eyecrazy: :eyetwitch
But those are few and far between. Usually when I go to the meets hehehehehehhe

Yeah man, you need to do some more research; he's in the 4 or more motor club. Get with the !@#$ing program :)

It's funny how quickly he responds to posts over here on the Pettit Owner's thread





Funny.

Yeh, its kinda creepy like a stalker. Hey jeff, are you absolutly sure your last name is Abrams cause I could swear its Dahmer.

a quart a day is about right if you are driving a good bit of stop and go kinda thing. On cruise i hardy use any. Course I have the maf controlled system which is a little different than yours?
I have set my contoller to use 7 quarts in 15 miles! I cleaned the hell out of it! No misfires either. I was well below ambient on my iats!
olddragger

I have a MAP based system, so it only injects in boost and the controller is progressive.
It starts spraying around 3 PSI and hits max at 12 or so.
My EGTs have gone down several hundred degrees on long, boosted runs.
My IATs were never all that high to begin with (about 20° over ambient under all conditions), so it is hard to decide how to tune the controller other than by EGT and flow.
It does seem like you can inject a butt-load of water without it affecting the running state. Kinda weird.

When I pull this motor in the Fall, it will be interesting to see what all of that water does for the internals.

Well last night was a fun. I met up with 5 MS3 and 2 MS6. We went to the local friday hang out. 2 of the MS3 and I were on our way to meet up with everyone. As we merged onto the high way. We saw the new 09 Challenger SRT8. Well we took of after it to take a closer look it was a sweet looking car.

As we got closer he took off. That V8 sounded so sweet. We took off after him. There was some traffic up ahead so we let off. Fortunately he was taking the same ramp we were to merge onto another Highway. Once we merged he went all the way to the left lane and slowed down. I was in the center lane and my buddy in his MS3 was in the right lane. I got next to him and gave him a thumbs up. The passenger put their widow said thank you and asked for directions to see if they were going the right way. By coincidence they were going to the meet also. I told them that they were the exit they were looking for was 3 exits away.

Here is the fun part we were going about 60mph. When the passenger put up the window and the driver floored it. I had a feeling that was going to happen so I was ready. He took the jump about two cars. I went WOT reeled him in and then just started pulling away. As we were passing them my cuz in the passenger seat was laughing I took a quick look over and the facial expressions were price less.

When we got to the meet we ran into them (we looked for them and made it look like another coincidence hahaha) and they were inpressed. He admitted he thought he was going to rape me. He wasked what did I have under the hood and I told him a little 1.3l rotary. They were like no fuckin way I was like yup ohh and a little super charger.

They told us the Challenger isn't on sale yet but they drive it to local legal meets dealerships and carshows for marketing. He also mentioned that he had had other encounters with RX8s and thats we he thought the out come would have been different.

I wish I could have gotten it on video.

You took down a 425 HP Hemi Challenger from a roll??
You don't think that's fishy?
Did you notice if he was hauling a piano or a rhinoceros in the trunk?
Might have been all of those sand bags...

Hey Jeff if you don't want to believe me thats fine. But if you like check out the Mazdas247 forum I bet the MS3s will probably be posting about what they saw with their own eyes. You know what threads i post in their better yet.

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123662288&page=226

Check in tomorrow they will probably be commenting.

You took down a 425 HP Hemi Challenger from a roll??
You don't think that's fishy?
Did you notice if he was hauling a piano or a rhinoceros in the trunk?
Might have been all of those sand bags...

hey all that would mean is that he would have better traction. lololololol

Maybe he had a Turboed 8 in the trunk hahahahahahahahahaha


Say what you like but nothing said will kill the mood i'm in after that encounter.

No doubt it was fun!
Those things are really heavy.
Come to think of it, they have 200 HP more than an SRT-4 Neon, but their 1/4 mile and 0 - 60 is the same. Hmm.

You took down a 425 HP Hemi Challenger from a roll??
You don't think that's fishy?
Did you notice if he was hauling a piano or a rhinoceros in the trunk?
Might have been all of those sand bags...

Look, just because Roland spanked a V8 and didn't blow an engine doesn't mean it's not true.:lol:

Some of us could learn.

I wish I could have gotten it on video.

Better yet...wish you could have a header and an ignition upgrade.

You think your car is fast now...wait until the upgrades and you will be totally of the chain. :eyetwitch

Yeah I am patiently waiting for the BHR/MM Ignition kit (it's taking as long as a Mazsport turbo kit hahaha i'm just playing)and the RB Header. As a matter of fact I got an email from Jim over at Racing Beat. I'll post below. I have the RB Midpipe and Exhasut love them both so I will wait for their header it's about to be released.



I anticipate the price of the header to be around $500. We'll try and keep the price as reasonable as possible.



Best regards,

Jim Langer
Racing Beat, Inc.
714-779-8677
Fax 714-779-2902
www.racingbeat.com

Maybe he had a Turboed 8 in the trunk hahahahahahahahahaha



Nice

Here is the fun part we were going about 60mph. When the passenger put up the window and the driver floored it. I had a feeling that was going to happen so I was ready. He took the jump about two cars. I went WOT reeled him in and then just started pulling away. As we were passing them my cuz in the passenger seat was laughing I took a quick look over and the facial expressions were price less.

"60mph"
I am guessing dumping the clutch at about 8500 rpm.
The question; in third or fourth gear?

:uhh:

Nice story!And I certainly believe it--:)
Yea MM I have been thinking about putting the w/m nozzle closer to the actual ports and monitoring egt's instead of the iat's. Or maybe both. The egt's would be a truer picture at this point.
It is amazing how much water meth you can push through this thing without a misfire. Nothing like 116octane either.
olddragger

Look, just because Roland spanked a V8 and didn't blow an engine doesn't mean it's not true.:lol:

Some of us could learn.

It's not that...its that its still a relatively new car...and so lots of the regular variables in such comparisons that we all remember are still not yet ingrained into the minds of our culture yet...

Best we have to work on is the historical experiences and information...

And 400+ HP usually is problematic...heh

"60mph"
I am guessing dumping the clutch at about 8500 rpm.
The question; in third or fourth gear?

:uhh:

Third Gear no clutch dumping.When I was next to him I already was im third. I just went WOT.

Some FYI notes from my weekend trip to Melbourne, Florida and back home (around 2 hours each way).

I strapped a temperature sensor just above the intake/exhaust engine manifold area of the engine bay. Note that I’m currently my car has an ExoticSpeed header wrapped with plenty of heat wrap material. Ambient temperature was 90 degrees before I got on the highway and it registered 153 degrees while at idle. Once I got on the highway (I-4) I waited until the ambient temps got to 95 degrees while cruising at 77 mph and AC on. The engine bay temperature was at a steady 138 degrees.

I also connected another multimeter to my OEM 12v lead to my MSD ignition coils just to monitor for possible voltage drop while at high rpms or WOT mode. My MSD ignition coil ground wires run strait to the negative post of battery while the internal igniter ground wire are attached to the car body. I was thinking of running a wire from the positive side of the battery to the MSD ignition coils (using a 30 amp relay) in case of voltage drop. Well I’m happy to report that there was no significant voltage drop throughout my whole trip that included various driving conditions. For example cruising, idle, OEM bose radio full volume, AC set at full power and a RT 528 Beach Line WOT sprint to 135 mph. Voltage fluctuated between 14.15 and 13.83. Therefore no positive 12v ignition wire modification is needed.

Lastly, I purchased a quart of RC model 33% Nitro methane fuel and mixed it with my Snow Performance Boost Juice (50/50) at the rate of 1 cup per gallon of Boost Juice or basically half a cup of Nitro methane to a half gallon of Boost Juice. I mixed it for about 15 seconds and poured into my windshield washer/meth fluid reservoir. Results…Fing out of this world. I don’t know if is the combination of the header, methanol nozzle positions and now the methanol/nitro methane mixture but now the car accelerates faster and stronger than ever before. To give you an idea, Bastage and I were sitting at a traffic light side by side and upon the light turning green we both took off like bad out of hell. I spun the tires almost all the way to second gear and on second too. Later Bastage asked me if I had disabled the DSC. Negative, the DSC was on; in fact I never disabled it the entire weekend. I feel like the DSC tries to cut down the power but it is too much for the electronic circuitry to act upon it (this is just my opinion since I’m not to familiar with the DSC system).

I’m planning to do a dyno and a ¼ mile track event next month to find out for sure if my butt dyno is accurate and to determine for sure if there was a whp gain since my last month dyno when I did not have the header or methanol/Nitro methane mixture. :eyetwitch

Lastly, I purchased a quart of RC model 33% Nitro methane fuel and mixed it with my Snow Performance Boost Juice (50/50)

Uh, don't do that.

RC fuel has castor oil in it. A LOT of castor oil

Uh, don't do that.

RC fuel has castor oil in it. A LOT of castor oil

Yes, I took that under consideration before selecting a brand with the least amount of castor oil in the fuel blend.

http://www.traxxas.com/products/accessories/trx_accessories_topfuel.htm

In fact, the fuel does not feel greasy like my other 20% Nitro methane brand fuel that my son uses on his RC car. I also did a pour on the floor and burn comparison. The 33% brand left hardly any oil residue after the burn compared to the 20% fuel which left a very noticeable film of oil. :eyetwitch

Lol why not just use methanol with less water?

Nitromethane has such a low stoichiometry that its value as a fuel in this application is completely negligible as well.
Methanol is about 6.5:1, but nitro is only about 1.7:1!
Under normal boosted combustion (perhaps 11:1 or so), a nitro blend is so lean that it isn't doing anything.

Well that's what I thought but I wasn't sure so I didn't want to speak on the topic. Sounds like probably the snow mixture is doing the work and he's losing power from the other stuff.
If Rc fuel worked well you'd see people use it but this is the only time I've heard of it

Well, the nitro will cool the intake charge, but its really volatile and not miscible, so it will settle out of the water in the meth/water tank.

Yeah, he blocked me right after he insinuated that Pettit falsified its dyno-sheets and I had to give him a tutorial on how to !@#$ing read one (with excel spreadsheets and everything :lol2: ).


Speaking of Dyno sheets, has anyone with a pettit been able to dyno their vehicle and has sheets to show the power difference?

I've seen posts in the past with members boasting increases as much as 300 whp but I've only seen dyno sheets from Pettit.

I've been trying to collect some data on the supercharger but no body seems to have it. I've only seen data from Jesse's RX8 here in Phoenix.

Did Bastage really say that?

OK, Bastage. Teach me how to read a dyno sheet.
Please. I could use your enlightenment.
Pettit's dyno (as posted here and elsewhere) is a fraud.
There. I said it.
No insinuation. No "suggestive" language.
It is not numerically, scientifically or practically plausible as posted.

Start a separate thread. Use this one. I don't care.

Just like Flashwing stated, I'd like to see some real data. Real sheets, real logs, real numbers.
Its just a bunch of hot air in this thread - literally and figuratively.
I've seen the dynos from the north east. I know several of you have dyno'ed at or less than stock with this thing.
I've seen Jesse's. I know what he pulled - I was standing there when his car made that run.
I've laid my hands on a bunch of these systems and I know what they really do in the real world.
Someone show me a dyno - a real dyno that follows the science - that shows the claims made about the output of this kit are substantive.

Otherwise, I call BS.

Well that's what I thought but I wasn't sure so I didn't want to speak on the topic. Sounds like probably the snow mixture is doing the work and he's losing power from the other stuff.
If Rc fuel worked well you'd see people use it but this is the only time I've heard of it

Guys,

I really don’t know if the Nitro methane is increasing power or not. Only a dyno will determine that. I do experiment with my car and sometime it work, sometime it doesn’t. Regardless my next month dyno session will include a variety of methanol mixtures and I’ll post my finding afterward. We all know that sometimes what looks good on paper does not equates the same results in applications. I’m not an expert, I just learn as I go. Sometimes the hard way. :eyetwitch

Did Bastage really say that?

OK, Bastage. Teach me how to read a dyno sheet.
Please. I could use your enlightenment.
Pettit's dyno (as posted here and elsewhere) is a fraud.
There. I said it.
No insinuation. No "suggestive" language.
It is not numerically, scientifically or practically plausible as posted.

Start a separate thread. Use this one. I don't care.

Just like Flashwing stated, I'd like to see some real data. Real sheets, real logs, real numbers.
Its just a bunch of hot air in this thread - literally and figuratively.
I've seen the dynos from the north east. I know several of you have dyno'ed at or less than stock with this thing.
I've seen Jesse's. I know what he pulled - I was standing there when his car made that run.
I've laid my hands on a bunch of these systems and I know what they really do in the real world.
Someone show me a dyno - a real dyno that follows the science - that shows the claims made about the output of this kit are substantive.

Otherwise, I call BS.

For those of you that haven't read it, here's the post that caused him to block me. As far as dynos approaching 300 hp; I've dynoed in the 280's, Juan has dynoed higher. Roland/Cam have dynoed in the 300's. This kit is capable of it, but if you want to go ahead and believe a guy trying to sell his own turbo kit, and that has been plain belligerent to all things Pettit since BEFORE the kit was even released, then enjoy the KoolAid. :)

Enjoy:

http://www.pettitracing.com/rx8/images/stage%20II%20vs%20CS.jpg

...because all the cool people are getting the CS version with the flash and high flow cat these days

...and its $6,144 for a limited time only, hurry and get your own today!

Compare the delta of the power curve to the delta of the torque curve.
Besides the obvious Ve issues and the whole positive displacement blower issue, how is power increasing above 8k while the torque is decreasing?
Compare the same delta between 5k and 6k.

No discrepancy, it's either a (sub?)conscious bias against Pettit or you cheated your way through elementary school:

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc7/bastage_2005/CalculatedHP.jpg

As you can see from the graph and my chart, the torque curve is relatively FLAT from about 4000 RPM all the way until 9000RPM. An increase in RPM with a relatively flat torque curve will give you a HP INCREASE. It’s simple arithmetic. Go back to school.

There's nothing wrong with Pettit's dyno equipment. Make up something else.


No,
Torque is going down,
HP is going up,
that is just not possible,
look at the RPMS around 4K


You're forgetting that the RPMs are increasing too... !@#$ing DUH

By that statement, you're saying that if a jug of that Koolaid you're drinking has a leak in it and it is leaking at a rate slower than it is being filled, it will actually have LESS Koolaid than it began with at some point in time. That logic is not compatible with reality, unless you have some kind of Magic Jug.

HP = (RPM X Torque)/5252

Where's the discrepancy?

While I'm sure Cam doesn't give two shits about Jeff's smears towards his product, I as a very happy customer do care.

He was damned rude towards Bill Hart when he was trying to support the EFI Dude people, and has constantly bashed Pettit (both of which are uncoincidentally directly competing with the two products he is known for selling). His unconstructive/asshole/bullshit/smear posts are concrete proof of his lack of professionalism. What vendors on here present themselves the way he does?

Because of this, I encourage people not to do business with him.

Someone show me a dyno - a real dyno that follows the science - that shows the claims made about the output of this kit are substantive.

Otherwise, I call BS.

This request does not at all seem that terribly hard to do...and if I remember correctly, we have yet to really see anyone post a dyno...

Anyone? Buller?

regardless of whether he may be an ass, in this for his own personal gain, or anything else.... he pressures a valid point, where are all the users dyno's?

It amazes me the latest route this conversation has taken simply because Moon posted up some old news regarding ignition coils.

, where are all the users dyno's?
Not to try and add fuel to this fire cus I don't really care either way but that is a question I have long pondered.

It seems as though Pettit moved quite a few of these units but I haven't seen many dynos. Could be as simple as some users just don't care enough to post their figures here.
It's mind-bottling ;)

Not to try and add fuel to this fire cus I don't really care either way but that is a question I have long pondered.

It seems as though Pettit moved quite a few of these units but I haven't seen many dynos. Could be as simple as some users just don't care enough to post their figures here.
It's mind-bottling ;)

haa haa haa....

This request does not at all seem that terribly hard to do...and if I remember correctly, we have yet to really see anyone post a dyno...

Anyone? Buller?

regardless of whether he may be an ass, in this for his own personal gain, or anything else.... he pressures a valid point, where are all the users dyno's?

Not to try and add fuel to this fire cus I don't really care either way but that is a question I have long pondered.

It seems as though Pettit moved quite a few of these units but I haven't seen many dynos. Could be as simple as some users just don't care enough to post their figures here.
It's mind-bottling ;)

I'm not being rude or a smartass here, but have you guys actually been reading this thread? That's another thing that cracks me up about Jeff; he's such a hack that he just invents bullshit to try and justify his bias, and people just blindly swallow it. Here's Juan's dyno from last month:

http://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php?p=2478825&postcount=2120

It's there, you just had to look for it. I haven't had a dyno printout/image to post up since I got the kit last year (was 260.5 @8500rpms on the int-x), but the last dyno I did back in April my car hit 283 @8000rpms, and Juan's car hit 289 or something like that. This was in the evening (mid 80's temp-wise), I was just running with an RP supercat, Juan was running meth with no cat. Juan and Roland were there. Since we're all running similar tunes, with similar setups, the dyno plots look pretty much the same; regardless of whether they were done at Pettit's shop or at whatever shop Juan went to in Tampa.

It amazes me the latest route this conversation has taken simply because Moon posted up some old news regarding ignition coils.

Agreed, but historically that's how it usually goes. Someone will try and share something and Jeff takes time out of his extremely busy day to try and insult the person.

It's actually funny. I think the first time Jeffie started shit with me (over a year go, now) was after I suggested on some thread to someone that they stick with the stock radiator, and not get a Koyo. I was only conveying information I had received from Cam, because he had shared with me how he had been through a couple Koyo radiators and discovered many months before that they were crap.

Anyway, it turned out that Cam was right, but since he doesn't live on this forum like Jeff does, the world had to wait 8 months for Jeff to discover that for himself (Jeff eventually dumped his Koyo for a stock radiator).

It's been a pretty consistent pattern.

I have posted my Dyno Charts on this thread and on the thread about the renisis engines with most power

I have posted my Dyno Charts on this thread and on the thread about the renisis engines with most power

And Jeff knows this, but as long as he states that they don't exist, his fan-club will believe it. That's the beauty of having all damned day to clown around on here. Looking forward to seeing that 325rwhp plot.

I'm not being rude or a smartass here, but have you guys actually been reading this thread?

Actually no I dont read it...between the rambling and the BS floating around in here I generally ignore this thread...so its pretty easy to see why we missed the dyno post...

:eyetwitch

And Jeff knows this, but as long as he states that they don't exist, his fan-club will believe it. That's the beauty of having all damned day to clown around on here. Looking forward to seeing that 325rwhp plot.

Ugh...its the BS like this that makes me say...

http://www.catwack.com/pics/258.jpg

Actually no I dont read it...between the rambling and the BS floating around in here I generally ignore this thread...so its pretty easy to see why we missed the dyno post...

:eyetwitch

Yeah, and all that BS can be traced back to one guy. I suppose if people weren't so quick to swallow the BS that this one guy seems to float, then maybe there would be lots less BS around here, and no one would have missed that dyno post. :eyetwitch


Ugh...its the BS like this that makes me say...


huh?

I have posted my Dyno Charts on this thread and on the thread about the renisis engines with most power

Could you direct me to them. (Links, please.)
I presume they are 300 HP as Pettit claims for this kit?

OldDragger, Phil, Joff, Bastage, Marsredr100, Shinka, Moon, Zen? Vicegrip, jskup1, Morkus? Any of you want to actually defend this?


The Stage II CS Kit can produce 300 whp and 195 lb/ft torque @ 5-7psi. Most of the added hp is a result of recalibrating the factory PCM. Other benefits include: Superb drivability, and clean smooth rock solid acceleration through the entire RPM range. Also with the stock PCM and OBD II diagnostics system fully functional there is no ck engine light unless something is wrong.

For $7400, I'd think that someone would be kinda pissed of for not getting ANY of the results claimed above.

Could you direct me to them. (Links, please.)
I presume they are over 300 HP as Pettit claims for this kit?

this is what's actually on their website, and not Jeff's BS of what they "claim":

--------------------------------------------
Highlights:
- 60-100 additional horsepower and torque with only 5-8 psi boost
- Superb drivability and overall performance
- Reliable and easy to maintain
- D.I.Y. installation, with easy to follow instructions
- Only the highest quality components
- More

Stage II Forced Induction Kit $5,995 w/o management

Fits all RX8 models both 4 and 6 port

Our latest release Stage II “CS” is capable of 280-300 whp, includes our PCM recal kit and the addition of a hi flow cat. Available for 04-07 manual trans model and 6-port automatics only.
---------------------------------------------------

This is all at the following link:
http://www.pettitracing.com/rx8/index.htm

300 rwhp has been done on at least Cam and Roland's car. I think Norman got 296 rwhp. That means there are at least 4 customer cars here that are dynoing in the promised 280-300 range. Since you claim to have handled a "bunch" ( I call :bsflag: on that, but I'll humor you) of these kits, and you haven't had luck getting hp in this range, maybe it's you and your tuning skills that are to blame. :dunno:

-------------------------
The Stage II CS Kit can produce 300 whp and 195 lb/ft torque @ 5-7psi. Most of the added hp is a result of recalibrating the factory PCM. Other benefits include: Superb drivability, and clean smooth rock solid acceleration through the entire RPM range. Also with the stock PCM and OBD II diagnostics system fully functional there is no ck engine light unless something is wrong.
----------------------------

Not a single untruth there. I have dynoed at 283 rwhp with 191 lb/ft torque, I have superb drivability, clean smooth rock solid acceleration through the entire rpm range. I don't get a check engine light unless something is wrong (haven't gotten one yet). They don't have to turn off CELs on their setup, unlike yours.

I'm sure all of your customers post up dynos too, right? :lol2:

I smell something burning.

Anyone actually want to defend this besides Bastage? (I'd suggest someone a bit less Hillary-esque. That is to say, less churlish and shrill.)

BTW, Gleyner, what were you doing on January 20th? Its an interesting story that others might enjoy.
It would be a fine companion piece to Moon's performance at SSX.

I smell something burning.

Anyone actually want to defend this besides Bastage? (I'd suggest someone a bit less Hillary-esque.)



I'm sure they will when they log in. If I'm Hillary-esque, what does that make you, George-esque?


BTW, Gleyner, what were you doing on January 20th?

What happened on January 20th? Its an interesting story that others might enjoy.
It would be a fine companion piece to Moon's performance at SSX.

Edit:

Oh you're talking about Mazda WinterPalooza. Where you completely avoided looking at Juan and I in spite of the fact that you were there with your superfan Jason who was parked next to Juan's car? We figured if you were going to be a little girl and not even look in our direction or say hi to us, why should we say hi to you? Plus, I was already on your block list by that point. :dunno:

If you're implying that I was "Moonishly" intimidated by your ~5'8 140 lb form, then please let us know. :lol2:

If you doubt this, I will be happy to show you how unintimidated I am if our paths ever cross again... No, I'm not threatening you with violence, so don't start whining to everyone. I'm a peace-loving guy, but I want to get the record straight before you start trying to be that cute Mr. Tough Guy you've tried to be with Moon:

The only thing I was even remotely worried about was that you would be a dick and sabotage something under my hood when no one was looking. Yes, that's how your words have made many of us perceive you. Hopefully you'll realize that and fix it; it's not good for business.

Moon can barely walk, but if you want to use him to make you look like Mr. Tough Guy, then go ahead; we'll all get a laugh (at your expense) from it. In spite of that though I still think he can kick your ass if he had to :lol:

I on the other hand, would not tolerate that, and if that's what you're implying, then I'd be willing to extend to you the same kind of challenge I gave Jason. :) Since you'd never accept the challenge (like him), now would be a good time to start backtracking.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y271/MUNCHE187/RX8/RX8FMDynoChart.jpg

I smell something burning.

Anyone actually want to defend this besides Bastage? (I'd suggest someone a bit less Hillary-esque. That is to say, less churlish and shrill.)

BTW, Gleyner, what were you doing on January 20th? Its an interesting story that others might enjoy.
It would be a fine companion piece to Moon's performance at SSX.

I wanted to go to that dyno day you were hosting in tampa but then you backed out. I would have been good since a third party would have actually been runing the dyno. All the he saids ahe saids would have been put to rest. I know Ray still went but it became a last minute thing when everyone confirmed and I had to submit my work schedule prior to them confirming.

For the record; Jeff wasn't "hosting" the meet and he didn't back out. We never had the numbers to support his appearance in the first place and I was scheduled to hit Tampa no matter what.

Also for the record; Carlos did a damned good job on the dyno for Scott and Eric, getting useful info on A/Fs, h.p., and torque.

None of this really matters anyway because we are running into the same lagerheads over and over and all you guys, MM included, are acting foolishly.

The voice of reason has spoken.

Put a leash on your boy, Charles :spank:

I would never condescend or act in an arrogant fashion toward anybody with such tactics or ideas that I should muzzle anybody. Not even Jeff. He is a good friend of mine and for great reasons. His altruism is often ignored in light of the way he is perceived around here.

Don't any of you wonder why it is that he and I get along so damned well when we seem to be polar opposites with our personalities? Perhaps he and I really are not as different as you all might think........

The reason I can stand in the middle of all this while all my friends fight over stupid shit is because I don't take any of this forum nonsense personally. I used to and I was subject to certain intimidations around here. Sometimes even from those who own the Pettit kit. Not anymore.

Had I been the one who pointed out the Okada coils recently and mistaken them for a recent development, I would have laughed at myself for being a little behind the curve and thanked whomever pointed that fact out to me. I wouldn't have FELT so swell about it, being a supposed professional and all, but I (nor anybody else) wouldn't have been pissed. Just embarrased. I don't have any idea how Moon felt and I am simply talking about my own perspectives here. I don't think Jeff meant any offense toward Moon with his comment....I think he was just playing around and stating what many may have been thinking. And if anybody thinks Moon needed defense on that matter.......why?

The best way to silence those who have opinions we don't like is to either reply with a stronger, more reason-based, argument or to ignore them completely. Jeff and I do one or the other with our private conversations all the time. This is why we get along. He pisses me off with his occasional nonsense and I am an emo-bitch about it all. We recognize this dynamic and actually have a little fun laughing at ourselves and each other. I wish all of you would allow yourselves the opportunity to see MM as I do.

BTW, I know exactly how to shut Jeff up and leave him stammering and stuttering but that is my secret.;)

I also know just send him pictures of red heads.

thanks for the link. at least thats one dyno.

i also do not/did not bother digging through the thread for dyno posts, and thats MY laziness. i barely look here anymore as its mostly pages of nonsense between anything usefull.

BTW, I know exactly how to shut Jeff up and leave him stammering and stuttering but that is my secret.;)

Don't tell me you flash him your willy? :lol:

J/K

I have never dynoed---but admit to all-- the ease of drive ability, the broad torque band, and my complete satisfaction with this kit. Is it perfect---no. None of the kits are. Is it a good supercharger kit--Hell yes.
H/p and torque? Just chasing fleas.
olddragger

thanks for the link. at least thats one dyno.

i also do not/did not bother digging through the thread for dyno posts, and thats MY laziness. i barely look here anymore as its mostly pages of nonsense between anything usefull.

It has it's ups and downs.lolol

It's on a down right now. hahahahahaha

Don't tell me you flash him your willy? :lol:

J/K

Nope. Mine's too short to make it past the zipper. Now you know why Michelle REALLY dumped me.;)

Nope. Mine's too short to make it past the zipper. Now you know why Michelle REALLY dumped me.;)

Sorry to heard that Ray. :eyetwitch

I guess you don’t wear size 11 shoes. :lol:

Snow performance does sell a nitro blend for it's system---and it stays suspended. i will let you other guys play with that!
i am still learning how to control what i have now!
olddragger

Here is a dyno sheet from 30 Nov 2007. Back then I didn't have my MSD ignition upgrade or my methanol kit installed. Engine RPM was 8600 per my request to the dyno owner since I don't like to go over that on a dyno. On the streets is another story...9000~9500 is what the doctor always ordered. :eyetwitch

Now THAT is a nice looking dyno (minus the valving spikes, which are at least positive torque hits).
More importantly, its a realistic output for the amount of air the blower is producing and the shape is consistent with the native Ve of this motor.

Someone show me a dyno - a real dyno that follows the science - that shows the claims made about the output of this kit are substantive.

Otherwise, I call BS.

Ask and you shall receive:
Um, look in my garage here on the site, or in my signature for the RWHP.
http://www.rx8club.com/vbgarage.php?do=thumb&type=im&width=100&id=3946
I am cat-less, so I suppose it matches a high-flow cat on other Pettit S/C installs.
Note the location of the dyno in Winter Springs, it was not dyno'd at Pettit.

PS: It was still building at 9K...
:)

Alright, somebody tell me how to do the pop-up image from my garage.:banghead:

It amazes me the latest route this conversation has taken simply because Moon posted up some old news regarding ignition coils.

Ignition coils, did I hear somthing about ignition coils, have any of you yet tried to prove me wrong yet, FLASHBACK, hey Jeff, hold one of the spotted coils, rev 9k and tell me if it tickles. Bawk Bawk, please I want ya to prove me wrong.

Here is a dyno sheet from 30 Nov 2007.


Was that pull in 3rd gear, I spin the dyno to fast in 4th, and it gives crazy torque readings. ( or I really am making 465 foot lbs? :) )

Snow performance does sell a nitro blend for it's system---and it stays suspended. i will let you other guys play with that!
i am still learning how to control what i have now!
olddragger

Mine's still not here. :dunno:

Moon, grow up.

Ignition coils, did I hear somthing about ignition coils, have any of you yet tried to prove me wrong yet, FLASHBACK, hey Jeff, hold one of the spotted coils, rev 9k and tell me if it tickles. Bawk Bawk, please I want ya to prove me wrong.

Story time:
My 11th grade year, I had a Dodge Dart with a 360 I had stuffed into it; headers/4 barrel Holley/ Chrysler electronic ignition.
The Chrysler Electronic distributor "looks" like the points distributor, but has 100,000 volts at the plug.
I was broke down at some parking lot. (I think it turned out to be fuel pump)
I guy from school wanted to check for spark by holding a plug wire, I told him "don't do it to this because it's electronic ignition".
He argued, it wasn't 100,000 volts and that he "does this all the time". (Hold my Beer?)
He was about a foot from the car, holding the plug wire, when I spun the motor.
I saw a fat blue spark jump between his belly to the car; when he got up off the ground, he said his mouth "tastes like a light bulb".

http://www.catwack.com/pics/1025.jpg

Moon, grow up.

LOL, what fun would that be.

Story time:
My 11th grade year, I had a Dodge Dart with a 360 I had stuffed into it; headers/4 barrel Holley/ Chrysler electronic ignition.
The Chrysler Electronic distributor "looks" like the points distributor, but has 100,000 volts at the plug.
I was broke down at some parking lot. (I think it turned out to be fuel pump)
I guy from school wanted to check for spark by holding a plug wire, I told him "don't do it to this because it's electronic ignition".
He argued, it wasn't 100,000 volts and that he "does this all the time". (Hold my Beer?)
He was about a foot from the car, holding the plug wire, when I spun the motor.
I saw a fat blue spark jump between his belly to the car; when he got up off the ground, he said his mouth "tastes like a light bulb".

LOL, thats classic. Hey Jeff, stick your toung out when you do it and post it on youtube.

Speaking of dynos, Jeff the turbonator, do you rember the Diasio? Cam put down 350 + HP before you ever had seen 280. This years cars settup with a motor that Cam built early last season. The question to you is why is that??? If you havent figured that out by your 4th motor, I think youl never get it. Yes that motor has a turbo.

Speaking of dynos, Jeff the turbonator, do you rember the Diasio? Cam put down 350 + HP before you ever had seen 280. This years cars settup with a motor that Cam built early last season. The question to you is why is that??? If you havent figured that out by your 4th motor, I think youl never get it. Yes that motor has a turbo.

^^thats not fair.... we all know exactly what has happened to jeff's motors... and NONE of the failures emanate from poor design or lack of ability and knowledge of any kind.
people dont secure things all the time, either from laziness or accidentally, life goes on.
although i think its ludacris, he was in a position to decide to keep hammering the car in a situation where failure was inevitable. the same would've applied to ANY rotary engine under similar circumstances, and thats assuming that other builds would have lasted as long as his did in that scenario.
and, wouldnt you swap motor's for a new fresh one if one just happened upon you for cheap like that? whether the old one had some life left in it or not?

this is becoming just like the last thread that got locked. it's sucking ass!!!!

I wish we could all just sit in a circle pass the peace pipe and end this shit already!!!

http://www.catwack.com/pics/892.jpg

There are threads under Pettit one for the SC kit and the other for the owners.

All the bickering that is going on on this thread really belongs on the induction system thread.

Phil created this one to have a place for the owners to communicate with out having to deal with all the he said she said bull shit and all the personal attacks that were going on on the original thread that was locked.

If you all haven't noticed Phil nor Shinka post any more I bet it's cause of all the negativity. They used to post some funny shit and thanks to the bitching they are gone.

Thanks for scaring them away!!!

I wish we could all just sit in a circle pass the peace pipe and end this shit already!!!

i'll smoke to that :)

There are threads under Pettit one for the SC kit and the other for the owners.

All the bickering that is going on on this thread really belongs on the induction system thread.



i'll bite on that. i only recently started looking here again anyway. i'll keep my bitching over there for a while :)

I wish we could all just sit in a circle pass the peace pipe and end this shit already!!!

Some of us already are, aren't we?

Some of us already are, aren't we?

http://www.catwack.com/pics/17.jpg

I'm moving to California...hmmmm

Ignition coils, did I hear somthing about ignition coils, have any of you yet tried to prove me wrong yet, FLASHBACK, hey Jeff, hold one of the spotted coils, rev 9k and tell me if it tickles. Bawk Bawk, please I want ya to prove me wrong.

I guess you missed the video I made just for you during the upgraded coil prototyping. I'll let you do the search.

BTW - Motor #3 came out with 115 - 120 PSI of compression. It made just under the "magic" number at UMS just a few weeks before I swapped it out.
If you had watched that video, you would have known I swapped it just because I can.


Snow performance does sell a nitro blend for it's system---and it stays suspended. i will let you other guys play with that!

No, they don't.
The "Boost Juice" is just methanol and water.
Nitromethane isn't miscible.

Speaking of dynos, Jeff the turbonator, do you rember the Diasio? Cam put down 350 + HP before you ever had seen 280.

That's kinda sad, considering its a 435 HP motor.
Maybe its about time you stopped hiding behind other people's accomplishments.

No, they don't.
The "Boost Juice" is just methanol and water.
Nitromethane isn't miscible.


ORLY?

http://www.snowperformance.net/product.php?pk=5

http://www.snowperformance.net/product_images/product-large_image-5.jpg

A lot of supposedly unmiscible things just need the right emulsifier.

Why do you persist in wanting to argue? What happened to your boost atheist thread??



That's kinda sad, considering its a 435 HP motor.
Maybe its about time you stopped hiding behind other people's accomplishments.



grow up, Jeff :lol2:

You know I am reluctant to post in my own thread. Not so much due to the disagreements as the fact that certain posters seem to feel that if you disagree with their way of thinking then you are against them and they start attacking you. I count among my friends several people on this forum. We all have one thing in common, the love of the 8. I really don't care what started all the BS and the bickering and don't really care about the outcome. What I do care about is if someone disagrees with some aspect of your beliefs that you brand him and attack him.

I started this thread so that all Pettit owners, wannabes and detractors could talk about the Pettit supercharger. Personality's should be kept out of the discussion. I am trying to learn how to improve my 8 and trying to find nuggets of information between the outbursts.

I am against and would never presume to ask for censorship of any forum of open discussion but lets leave it as open discussion.

At this point, I'd like to openly discuss what craps table we are going to be taking over next week!

Wouldn't that be in the LV lounge?

Nah. This thread is just like a craps game.

You have the wrong thread for a Vegas discussion - Jump over there and we will discuss all the hell that will be coming down because Mazda Maniac, Charles R. Hill, Easy_E1, and Chickenwaffer will be in town. I have already lined up the girls and had several bars put on extra stock. Some of the Vegas crew is planning on joining in the mayhem.

OOOOhhhhhh Damn I do need to sneak out one night while I am out there

Sneak out? It Vegas. Just call a cab.

Lol I wish it was that easy I will be in vegas on a family vacation the last week in july. My wife has already been telling me not to try anything funny. lolol But me and buddy plan to sneak out. hahahahaha We will say we couldn't sleep or maybe we got kidnapped by aliens.

Lol I wish it was that easy I will be in vegas on a family vacation the last week in july. My wife has already been telling me not to try anything funny. lolol But me and buddy plan to sneak out. hahahahaha We will say we couldn't sleep or maybe we got kidnapped by aliens.

Use the kidnapped by aliens - it works every time. Some of the Vegas crew resemble aliens and we do have the alien highway and area 51. You could tell you wife your going to the Library. I have an acquaintance that works there, you'd like her.

Nitro-Methane RC fuel in the Methanol:
Someone said it did not mix right with the methanol mixture; will it mix with gas?

Nitro-Methane pre-mix thread? :)

PS: I am NOT talking about Snow Performance Nitro-Booster; I have that on order.
It should come any day now....
(or they will take me to Guantanamo for ordering it)

Use the kidnapped by aliens - it works every time.

Unless his wife reads the RX8 forum....

Unless his wife reads the RX8 forum....
Whoops, I hope not:uhh:

no she doesn't but I will meet up with phil and let him show me the real vegas hehehehehehe this is a once in a life time chance by the sound of it

no she doesn't but I will meet up with phil and let him show me the real vegas hehehehehehe this is a once in a life time chance by the sound of it


Watch out for the shovel in the desert meet.....
:uhh:

.....I am NOT talking about Snow Performance Nitro-Booster; I have that on order.
It should come any day now....
(or they will take me to Guantanamo for ordering it)

If it is on order from Snow it'll be another week or so as it is on back-order. Juan is supposed to be getting some, too.

Happy birthday Bastage:smiley309

Thanks! I'm starting to get old; I found a gray hair on the back of my hand last week :rofl:

Happy Birthay Bastage that wasn't a grey hair it was residue.lol

Thanks! I'm starting to get old; I found a gray hair on the back of my hand last week :rofl:
At 31 it was not yours:uhh: :)

Happy Birthay Bastage that wasn't a grey hair it was residue.lol

I KNEW someone would say something like that! It was definitely a gray hair, and it was definitely growing out of me.

Welcome to the club.................ole man! I got enough gray hair for all of us! :banghead:

Seriously......Happy Birthday!

Welcome to the club.................ole man! I got enough gray hair for all of us! :banghead:

Seriously......Happy Birthday!

Gray hair, HA at 48 you can't have too many gray hairs, your just a teen ager in the scheme of things. How did your injury turn out?

I just got off the phone with Snow, they have no Nitromethane to make Nitro-Booster.
They say there is a worldwide shortage of Nitromethane. :squint:

VP Racing seems to have it.....
I think the RC car fuel is looking better by the minute.
Did the RC fuel really fall out of suspension?
It seemed the stuff worked, from the reports here.
(Am I just wishfully thinking?) :icon_no2:

I have only one spot left on my body that doesnt have gray hair:):(
olddragger

We Snow dealers have different information on the Nitro-Booster.

I have only one spot left on my body that doesnt have gray hair:):(
olddragger
Can't remember your age - from the way you talk your a little on the high side of middle age so you deserve a few gray hairs. Dirt is the only thing older than me.

I will be 59 on 9/5-----sigh. BUT--I do now have the authority to pick on teenagers:)
1st retirement coming in 15 mos!
OD

Dirt is the only thing older than me.

:rofl:

I feel like my life is accelerating. The birth of my oldest kid feels like it just happened, only it's been almost 3.5 years. I need to stop blinking. :Eyecrazy:

I will be 59 on 9/5-----sigh. BUT--I do now have the authority to pick on teenagers:)
1st retirement coming in 15 mos!
OD
DON'T RETIRE, screw um - make them get rid of you - hang on and make their life as miserable as possible:) What will you do with yourself all day if you retire especially with kids still in college:dunno:.

I just got off the phone with Snow, they have no Nitromethane to make Nitro-Booster.
They say there is a worldwide shortage of Nitromethane. :squint:

VP Racing seems to have it.....
I think the RC car fuel is looking better by the minute.
Did the RC fuel really fall out of suspension?
It seemed the stuff worked, from the reports here.
(Am I just wishfully thinking?) :icon_no2:

Yeah VP Fuels have it or you can do what I do is buy their M5 that comes with the Nitromethane and Lube premixed in with the methanol.

On a different note what is to lean on the A/F the Reason I ask is on my last data logs I got 12.5 and 12.8 with the meth on.

The reason they were different may be because I played with the meth mix.

The 12.5 run was 50/50 the 12.8 run was 30/70 30 water 70 M5

On a different note what is to lean on the A/F the Reason I ask is on my last data logs I got 12.5 and 12.8 with the meth on.

If you don't knock, 12.3:1 or so is pretty optimal.
However, one stutter from that meth pump and you could be walking home.
11.5:1 is a better target.

Yeah VP Fuels have it or you can do what I do is buy their M5 that comes with the Nitromethane and Lube premixed in with the methanol.

On a different note what is to lean on the A/F the Reason I ask is on my last data logs I got 12.5 and 12.8 with the meth on.

The reason they were different may be because I played with the meth mix.

The 12.5 run was 50/50 the 12.8 run was 30/70 30 water 70 M5

This sounds like our proof that nitromethane will lean out an A/F ratio.
As MM pointed out, the pump may stutter;

which cuts off the very stuff leaning the mixture.

:lol2:
The question now would be can the pump "over-pump" in a "reverse-stutter"?

This sounds like our proof that nitromethane will lean out an A/F ratio.

No, its the other way around.
The reading is leaner because the water/meth/nitro is displacing fuel.
Remember the stochiometry of meth and nitro. Both carry their own oxygen into the fire.
Nitro will burn without oxidant.

You are reading an AFR based on a 14.7:1 stochiometry.
However, you have introduced two new fuels in unregulated amounts that have 6.7:1 and 1.7:1 stochiometric values.
Even though 12.5:1 is .85 λ for gasoline, its 1.8 λ for meth (very lean) and 7.4 λ for nitro (off-scale lean).

Well any one that wants to see my last EFI dude data log send me a PM with your email address and I'll send the file. If you don't have the EFI Dude software I can send the data over in .xls

here is a screen shot of my last data log with no meth 12.3 A/F
I think I am ok

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y271/MUNCHE187/RX8/070208nomethdatalog.jpg

How do you read that with no scale? Without a scale, that print is pretty meaningless.

Also, can't you expand just the loaded part of the run?

No, its the other way around.
The reading is leaner because the water/meth/nitro is displacing fuel.
Remember the stochiometry of meth and nitro. Both carry their own oxygen into the fire.
Nitro will burn without oxidant.

You are reading an AFR based on a 14.7:1 stochiometry.
However, you have introduced two new fuels in unregulated amounts that have 6.7:1 and 1.7:1 stochiometric values.
Even though 12.5:1 is .85 λ for gasoline, its 1.8 λ for meth (very lean) and 7.4 λ for nitro (off-scale lean).


I'll do this without the math, the simple way:
Hey munche187, what was the A/F without the methanol/nitromethane mixture injected?

Hey munche, expand the loaded part and take screenshots with the bar at different positions, and then overlay the screenshots if you can. If you can't do that you're better off exporting to excel and taking a screenshot of the spreadsheet.

The graph has no scale marks; it's meant to be navigated through. When he moves that line on the graph the numbers at the top of that line change.

How do you read that with no scale? Without a scale, that print is pretty meaningless.

Also, can't you expand just the loaded part of the run?

I emailed you the excel file of that run.
No I can't expand.

I'll do this without the math, the simple way:
Hey munche187, what was the A/F without the methanol/nitromethane mixture injected?

That was with out the meth

Hey munche, expand the loaded part and take screenshots with the bar at different positions, and then overlay the screenshots if you can. If you can't do that you're better off exporting to excel and taking a screenshot of the spreadsheet.

The graph has no scale marks; it's meant to be navigated through. When he moves that line on the graph the numbers at the top of that line change.

My wife is bugging me that I have spent all night on the car if you want I can send you the data log in both formats. I don't have time right now to cut and paste.

Jeff has the excel file of this run

That was with out the meth

Looks niiice.

314 g/s @ 7800 RPMS and 114 mph. That should be able to spank a Challenger, I think :)

I'll do this without the math, the simple way:
Hey munche187, what was the A/F without the methanol/nitromethane mixture injected?

Uh, you don't get it.
Lets say his AF was 12.3:1 (.83 lambda for gas) without the meth (that is what he said it was in the post just before yours).
Now he turns on the meth/H2O (forget the nitro for a minute) and the AF is 12.8:1 (.87 lambda for gas).

What is his actual lambda?

Well, lets say for shots & goggles that he is flowing 35 pounds of air with that SC.
That means that the 12.3:1 AF is 2.8 pounds of gas per minute.
Now, lets say that the nitro/H2O he is injecting is 15% of his liquid volume (at a 40% mix).
So, on top of the 2.8 pounds of gas, he is now injecting about .2 pounds of meth with a stoich ratio of 6.7:1 (compared to gas at 14.7:1).

Do you see where this is going?

This doesn't even take into account the H2O, which is not combustible.
Then there is the nitro which, besides being immiscible and therefore of a indeterminable ratio, has a stoich ratio of 1.7:1.

The long and short - you can't tune for AF when the spray is on. Its meaningless.

Jeff has the excel file of this run

I didn't receive it.
Try sending it to ap@mazdamaniac (.com)

happy birthday Bastage!!!

:jump: :jump: :jump:

Thanks Shinka! Wow, birthday's almost over, time to go to bed.

Happy Birthday and page 100!

PS I have both grey hairs (first on my head when I was about 12!) and a supercharger now..... 8)

Happy Birthday and page 100!

PS I have both grey hairs (first on my head when I was about 12!) and a supercharger now..... 8)

Thanks man, welcome to the gray haired supercharger owner's club.

Happy Birthday and page 100!

PS I have both grey hairs (first on my head when I was about 12!) and a supercharger now..... 8)

Thanks man, welcome to the gray haired supercharger owner's club.

I think that gray hair is just a result of reading this thread:)

Yeah thanks for creating it PHIL lolololololol

:rollingla

i think i qualify for the gray-hair SC club.... :Eyecrazy:

:rollingla

i think i qualify for the gray-hair SC club.... :Eyecrazy:

If you say so, I'll have to believe you - Can't picture you with gray hair. Oh well only her hairdresser knows:) :) :)

I just had the 265/35ZR-18 Bridgestone Potenza RE-01R installed all the way around they fit fine with no rubbing

I just had the 265/35ZR-18 Bridgestone Potenza RE-01R installed all the way around they fit fine with no rubbing

Most likely a dumb question (I guess I could search) but what is stock offset? I was looking a new set of rims and was asked that question.

Most likely a dumb question (I guess I could search) but what is stock offset? I was looking a new set of rims and was asked that question.


50.

beers :beer:

Phil - im letting the cat outta the bag...i do my roots!! :lol: i will never have gray showing..its against my religion

for wheels set up, this is what im running....

with stock shocks and tein s techs:

Volks GT-Fs
19x8.5 +33 245/35/19 toyo T1Rs up front
19X9.5 +36 275/30/19 toyo T1Rs in the rear

with no rubbing

Mine are Volk RE30s 18 X 9.5 all the way around they are a 42mm offset

19x8.5 +33 245/35/19 toyo T1Rs up front
19X9.5 +36 275/30/19 toyo T1Rs in the rear

with no rubbing

???

That's only because you don't push the car.

A 9.5" rim with a +36mm offset is sticking WAAAAY out (and you can tell from your pics that's the case).

A +42mm minimum offset (and a 1.2°+ camber) is needed to keep that tire from rubbing in the back under hard cornering.

I run 275/30 on 9.5" 19s with a +42mm offset (with 1.7° of camber) and they just make it under on track days with lightly rolled arches.
There are still places on the plastic where the tire touches.

I'm running the enkei specials (18x9.5 +45) with 275x35s. I clear in the rear by about a paper's thickness. If my lining pops off the clip at the very corner and sticks out maybe 1/8" where you can push on it and it moves just enough so that you know it's not being pulled back by the clip, it hits the tire and wears through. I'm not sure how much camber I'm running as it was already enough to clear the tires.

On the nitromethane lambda discussion - did you change your tune between mixtures anticipating the added fuel or did you just have varying conditions that produced the different AFRs? I've read threads on other boards of people running a lot of methanol injection as a supplemental fuel source but the AFRs they shoot for are a weighted averaged based on what they run and generally way south of 12. Hmmmm. If you ran out of meth, that 12.8 might get up over 13.

The last run I did was with out the methanol and it was 12.3 I posted the screen shot. I disconnected the pump made sure the tank was empty and did some runs to make sure no meth was left in the system.

???

That's only because you don't push the car.

A 9.5" rim with a +36mm offset is sticking WAAAAY out (and you can tell from your pics that's the case).

A +42mm minimum offset (and a 1.2°+ camber) is needed to keep that tire from rubbing in the back under hard cornering.

I run 275/30 on 9.5" 19s with a +42mm offset (with 1.7° of camber) and they just make it under on track days with lightly rolled arches.
There are still places on the plastic where the tire touches.

you have to admit......they do look HAWT!!!
and granted, i dont track my car but i do push it from time to time on twisties etc
havent had a problem yet...
:)

Bah - disregard me. I'm making arrangements to pick up my car so most of my good brain cells are doing hamster wheel sprints. All I have left are the crappy brain cells I use for work.