Getting really excited now about the RX-8, but I have one major stumbling block in the way and that is my current car.

My dealer has rung around a few Subaru dealers and the best offer he has got is £16k ffs :mad: . A few dealers weren't even interested.

On the Subaru website and dealers forecourts, cars of similar spec are going for £20-21k so I was realistically expecting £17.5-£18 for it. The car was £27.5k when new last March.

I am going to try and sell privately, but am worried about advertising this sort of car in the press as you do hear horror stories of people having the cars stolen etc.

If I can't get a decent price, the RX-8 may have to go on hold :eek:

If anyone knows anyone who may be remotely interested in a bargain Impreza and can help me sell it, the details are as follows:

Subaru Impreza WRX STi TypeUK Prodrive Style
UK car registered March 2002
Blue/Black Mica Paint
23k miles by the time I sell it
FSSH just had 20k service and 4 new Goodyear F1s (£500)
265bhp/0-60 in 5.2
6 speed/Brembo's/LSD/17" Alloys/Aircon/Alcantara seats/
Prodrive bodykit/STi reflectors/Smoked Indicators
Always garaged & regularly waxed

Here are a couple of pics:

another

Dont autotrader it.

Put adverts on scoobynet and pistonheads n stuff.

See who bites.

I'm sure andy can get a glass guide price for it (may need the licence plate no).

But scoobies do get hit with depreciation, especialy in the first year, when a new model has been introduced, and the old one hevily discounted.

To sum up : Buy a car new = sucka.

<-- sucka. :( I hope either I love the 8 so much I dont sell, or its 4 year residuals are great ...

Hooray at long last someone has experienced slightly more depreciation than me......... My 728 had lost £13000 in just under three years. But factor in very hefty running costs and I still win the "losers game" this time with those being almost £12000 now.
So 13+12=£25k. The 13 is a paper loss tho as I am not selling.

I do feel for you though Mark as any money lost is painful.
How about we all drop the idea of a new car,
tape the new Discovery H&L series, pick your favourite car out of the series and buy the£600 banger then do it up for £500, then contemplate selling it at a profit of £300. (forget that it took tonnes of hours of work);)
Who knows given enough time you may have enough to buy the RX8 cash (not!!)

Specman, £4k per year Running costs? What are you doing to the poor thing?

Well at least you dont own a new 7 series, thats "ouch" in a big way.

Originally posted by RobDickinson
Specman, £4k per year Running costs? What are you doing to the poor thing?

Well at least you dont own a new 7 series, thats "ouch" in a big way.

Between 70-80k it blew up/broke/leaked/failed many different parts:
short block at 44k (nikasil issue - paid for by BMW)
water pump
tie rods
A/C condensor
A/C evaporator
auxiliary fan
VANOS unit
seat airbag sensor
alternator
wishbones
upper control arms
rear lower suspension bushes
front struts
rear shock abosrbers
top rubber shock absorber mounts
thermostat
rear heatshields
business radio head
Instrument cluster due to pixel loss
fuel pump last week
knackered sound insulation when fuel pump removed (daft BMW breakdown man but hey he never charged me labour)

I will have missed some items but you get the jist of it.

I guess it wasnt in warenty then?

Big exec/german type cars arnt pretty when they go wrong.

Knew someoen with an alpina 7 series (at the time one of only a few in the country), late 80's. Everything electrical went wrong.

Even had the steering lock up @ 90mhp on motorways, whilst the car opened up all the windows n sunroof etc. well past badly designed/built.

... and people claim to buy BMs for 'quality' rather than the badge.

If this is typical , then why is the badge held in the esteem that it is ? I think that list is disgusting !

I mean 'wishbones' ? Mein gott - that is major stuff ..... Maybe if it was 15 years old I could accept it...

think we all have the same problem.

My is200 has the same problem, the longer i hold onto it the more value it looses, on the otherhand as i pay the finance off on a monthly basis i pay of more than it depreciates.

The dealer offered me around 10250 p/x( possibly more on condition). however I see the same car on Lexus website going for anything up to £15k

still got 6500 grand finance to pay off so even if i only get 10250 for it i still make a few quid.


Guess i could get more if i sell privately but i need the car every day and cant rely on a "banger" to get me from A to B.

Sorry to read that, Mark - that really sucks.


I sold my VX220 privately for £13500

Best Trade offer from local Vauxhall dealer was £12750

Dealer then tells me my private buyer got a "bargain" as they're advertising one at £16995 for the same age/spec/mileage on the forecourt.

Aaarrgggghhh :mad: :mad: :mad:

Yet if I beat him to a bloody pulp they'd call ME the criminal

Now carless for the first time in 21 years.... :(

Mark , if I find out that my two passengers don't fit in the RX8 then I might be interested (but only if you respray it blue! ;) )

It's a serious post btw - I was considering a new STi (which I can get for exactly the same cost as the RX8 I've ordered) if the RX8 turned out to be no good for me, but I'd be tempted by a second hand one that I believe has been treated well.

Will have to wait until I get a chance to take out an RX8 without a moonroof to see though which may be a little late for you.

CW007, PM me with details off your Lexus IS200. I know someone interested in a IS200 for that kind of money ... don't worry its not me ........ not with an 8 waiting in the wings.

AnilS.

Originally posted by RobDickinson
I guess it wasnt in warenty then?



Some bits were under warranty, some got 50% cover some bits got zero from the warranty company.

Ahhh the pleasure of driving a car outwith manufacturer cover and on aftermarket cover. Motorplan for you.........

Originally posted by AndyPearce
Mark , if I find out that my two passengers don't fit in the RX8 then I might be interested (but only if you respray it blue! ;) )

It's a serious post btw - I was considering a new STi (which I can get for exactly the same cost as the RX8 I've ordered) if the RX8 turned out to be no good for me, but I'd be tempted by a second hand one that I believe has been treated well.

Will have to wait until I get a chance to take out an RX8 without a moonroof to see though which may be a little late for you.

Thanks Andy.

I had a WR Blue one previously (too common ;) ), but the black is a little more understated and looks awesome when clean in the sunlight when the blue flecks are visible.

I think it would probably be too late by then, but if I cant sell it privately I may well have to hang on for a buyer anyway.

Is it true what Rob says that you can get a glass 's price for it? Even my dealer told me the £16k is below book price. I can PM you the reg in needed.

Thanks
Mark

I'm in the same position , I need to sell my M3 Coupe by the end of the month, dealer offers are shockingly bad at the moment. I have now priced it below what a dealer will sell it for so hence a bargain M3 if anyone can help me, details as below :

On Pistonheads already (http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/detail.asp?i=12048&sc=VXRA&s=273)

20,500 miles. July 2002, Titanium Silver, 6 speed Manual, UK car.

Optional Extras:
Rare Laguna Seca Blue Exclusive Nappa Leather - (A surprisingly different colour combination)
19" Alloys
Front Centre Arm Rest
Climate Comfort WindScreen
6 Disc CD Boot Changer
Harman/Kardon Hi-fi - 10 speaker system
Electric Glass Sunroof
Electric Memory Heated Seats
No Smoking Package
Well looked after, always Handwashed and Zymol wax treated. Very good condition.

3 months road tax and two new rear tyres included.
2 years BMW warranty still remaining.

image as below:

Mark, if you want a Glass's price on your car then I'll have a look after my dinner in about 20mins ok.

Taken from October Glass's:

Subaru Impreza WRX STi (prodrive)
2002 02 19,000 miles
Glass's retail (normally means full wack dealer fourcourt)
= £20, 850
Glass's Trade (this price is usually more than Cap prices)
= £18,850
Take approx £500 off these figures for mileage of 23k.

None of these prices take into account any extras.

18ME - any chance you can check Glass's guide on my M3? ta.

Lucozade, here are your prices.

BMW M3 2002 02 Manual coupe, 19,000 miles

Glass's retail = £36,725

Glass's trade = £33,725

Doesn't list a code for mileage adjustment but I would have thought somewhere between £300 and £500 off those prices.

Maybe add approx £1000 for extras, again no coding for the extras.
Hope this helps.

Originally posted by 18ME
Taken from October Glass's:

Subaru Impreza WRX STi (prodrive)
2002 02 19,000 miles
Glass's retail (normally means full wack dealer fourcourt)
= £20, 850
Glass's Trade (this price is usually more than Cap prices)
= £18,850
Take approx £500 off these figures for mileage of 23k.

None of these prices take into account any extras.

Cheers 18ME :)

And the robbing stewards offer me £16k :mad:

Ive just put it on Scoobynet and Pistonheads for £17500 with a hope it will shift. Bargain for someone who is in the market for one though :)

Mark

No problem Mark. I hope you have some luck.

I suppose we are really all in the same boat. I was offered £1000 less than I paid for the R32 new 4 months ago by a dealer last week and thought that insulting at the time due to their limited numbers, but I know everything will devalue eventually.

Have you tried www.findit.co.uk (http://www.findit.co.uk) its free with as many words as you like. I sold my Porsche from this site at £41k and didn't pay a penny in advertising.:)

Lucozade
Are you getting rid of the M3 to get the 8?
If so why?
It's just I want an M3 but haven't the cash yet so I have gone for the 8 as a stop-gap for a year. Surely, while the mazda is a good/great car it isn't in the same league as your M3?
I would be interested to know why you want to swop it? (Other than to release £10-£15K).
Have you test driven the 8 yet if so what was it like compared to your M3?

Please don't think I am trying to slight the mazda but I am genuinely interested in your thoughts about comparing the two.

Regards
Ric

Originally posted by MarkW
Is it true what Rob says that you can get a glass 's price for it? Even my dealer told me the £16k is below book price. I can PM you the reg in needed.

Thanks
Mark

I can get the very latest CAP prices. PM me with the reg no and mileage rounded to the nearest K and I'll get an answeer for you.

Druck - I havn't forgotten you either, just left your details in the house the last two mornings. If you want to PM me the details instead then I know I can get them in work.:)

Originally posted by ricm56
Lucozade
Are you getting rid of the M3 to get the 8?
If so why?
It's just I want an M3 but haven't the cash yet so I have gone for the 8 as a stop-gap for a year. Surely, while the mazda is a good/great car it isn't in the same league as your M3?
I would be interested to know why you want to swop it? (Other than to release £10-£15K).
Have you test driven the 8 yet if so what was it like compared to your M3?

Please don't think I am trying to slight the mazda but I am genuinely interested in your thoughts about comparing the two.

Regards
Ric

Hi Ric,

I'm in Preston, that's weird eh?!

Anyway, I'm bored of the M3 - shocking as that may sound it just doesn't do it for me. The interior is boring, it rattles, squeeks and is generally unispiring. My last two cars were a TVR Tuscan and a TVR Cerbera. I got the M3 as a reliable car with similar performance. But really I miss the raw power of the TVR's.

I've wasted sooo much money on cars that it's time to get sensible. The M3 just doesn't "float my boat", it might have loads of power but it's not got a decent noise or interior. I ordered blindly and paid the price!

I haven't test drove the RX-8 yet although I have sat in one.

I'm not all that bothered about cars anymore because nothing will top it for me like the way the TVR's did.

However, as looks and interior go I think the RX-8 has got the lot. If the performance is really really down on what I have been used to then I may have to reconsider and, bummer, keep the M3.

Originally posted by Lucozade

However, as looks and interior go I think the RX-8 has got the lot. If the performance is really really down on what I have been used to then I may have to reconsider and, bummer, keep the M3.

Lucozade,

You are right in that the RX-8 has an overall package that is second to none.

However, and I hate to say it, if you are expecting the performance to be anywhere near your M3 I think you will be dissappointed. Its nowhere near as quick as my STi, and I believe the M3 has another 70bhp or so.

Cheers
Mark

Thanks MarkW,

It is one of my main concerns at the moment.

If the RX-8 doesn't at least give me enough power, it doesn't have to be in the TVR/M3 league but it does have to be sufficient to be exciting. If not then I may have to reconsider.

The whole situation is crap. I'm still waiting on a test drive on the 8 and it's not looking encouraging for selling the M3 with plenty time left.

My dealer gets his demo at the end of Oct and then I am led to believe customers will get there cars soon afterwards. If that's the case then I won't have long to make up my mind and try to sell the BM.

I'm sure loads of us are in similar positions with trying to sell our current cars but to add to the problem the fact that the 8 might not meet up to expectation is even harder!

This is really starting to get on my t1ts!

Originally posted by 18ME
Lucozade, here are your prices.

BMW M3 2002 02 Manual coupe, 19,000 miles

Glass's retail = £36,725

Glass's trade = £33,725

Doesn't list a code for mileage adjustment but I would have thought somewhere between £300 and £500 off those prices.

Maybe add approx £1000 for extras, again no coding for the extras.
Hope this helps.

Many thanks mate. Mines has loads of extras.

Basically I am selling myself short but needs must if I want to get rid quickly.

Originally posted by RobDickinson

To sum up : Buy a car new = sucka.

<-- sucka. :( I hope either I love the 8 so much I dont sell, or its 4 year residuals are great ...

:eek: :eek: :eek: LUCKY I was close buying exactly like yours.

Originally posted by Lucozade
Thanks MarkW,

It is one of my main concerns at the moment.

If the RX-8 doesn't at least give me enough power, it doesn't have to be in the TVR/M3 league but it does have to be sufficient to be exciting. If not then I may have to reconsider.

The whole situation is crap. I'm still waiting on a test drive on the 8 and it's not looking encouraging for selling the M3 with plenty time left.

My dealer gets his demo at the end of Oct and then I am led to believe customers will get there cars soon afterwards. If that's the case then I won't have long to make up my mind and try to sell the BM.

I'm sure loads of us are in similar positions with trying to sell our current cars but to add to the problem the fact that the 8 might not meet up to expectation is even harder!

This is really starting to get on my t1ts!

Lucozade,

It is still a quick car, and if you are prepared to do without the straight line speed, you will still be able to appreciate the fine handling, 50:50 weight distribution, excellent brakes, and that 9000rpm redline with the unique rotary sound. Combine that with a car that looks great both outside and in and it it still an excellent motor.

Way I look at it is that I tend to drive my STi too fast (not in bult up areas before anyone shouts) , as that is the only way to get any fun out of it. I think with the RX-8 I will probably have more fun at lower speeds which is good for me and my license :)

Cheers
Mark

Rock On Mark!

Mazda should make you their sales and marketing manager.

Cheers
Oilman

Originally posted by Lucozade
Thanks MarkW,

It is one of my main concerns at the moment.

If the RX-8 doesn't at least give me enough power, it doesn't have to be in the TVR/M3 league but it does have to be sufficient to be exciting. If not then I may have to reconsider.

The whole situation is crap. I'm still waiting on a test drive on the 8 and it's not looking encouraging for selling the M3 with plenty time left.

My dealer gets his demo at the end of Oct and then I am led to believe customers will get there cars soon afterwards. If that's the case then I won't have long to make up my mind and try to sell the BM.

I'm sure loads of us are in similar positions with trying to sell our current cars but to add to the problem the fact that the 8 might not meet up to expectation is even harder!

This is really starting to get on my t1ts!

The only bit of advise I can offer to you here as you haven't driven the RX8 yet, is to compare the 330ci sport to the RX8, performance wise. The Mazda is down on torque to the 330 but it does offer similar levels of performance but in a different power delivery.
So if you think that you'd be happy with the performance of the 330 then I think you'd be happy with the RX8.

Originally posted by 18ME


The Mazda is down on torque to the 330 but it does offer similar levels of performance but in a different power delivery.


I think you've highlighted the thing which splits opinion about the RX8. The car is plenty fast enough for the sort of speeds most people travel at on a daily basis. The reason that some people are disappointed with the 8's performance IMO is because the linear power delivery means it doesn't feel as quick as it is or have the punchy performance of it's peers. If you can get your head round the fact that the speed the car feels like it is doing is considerably less than the speed it is actually doing then you won't we disappointed with the RX8.

P.S. MarkW and Oilman - I've PM'd you both about CAP prices.:)

18ME, as previously stated (a while ago now) I drove the 330ci, the day before my 8 test drive, and found the 8 only wanting some in gear flexibility ..... thats all. On all other counts the 8 tops the BM.

Anyway you're all missing the point when it comes to speed. Drive it slowly and show it off:D .

AnilS.

I only have a lowly 325ci to compare the 8 with bu the point I would make is that whilst the BM has a very smooth engine and good performance it does't feel that fast. a friend of mine has an Accord type r which on paper is almost identical performance but because of the higher revving and infinately better sounding engine it feels much quicker.

Another point to mention is that a 30 - 60 min test drive is no way to really judge how a car will be once you are used to driving it. i recently swapped cars with a work colleague who has a TT, I hated it at first as I found it unengaging and the only good point was the acceleration.Having said that after a week or so I found it more pleasurable to drive as i was more used to it and knew the engine and handling limits to get more fun out of it.that said though there are loads around and long term I prefer the BM.As stated in other posts the important thing is the whole package and for me the 8 is that - good looks, good spec, comfortable (essential when driving 35k+ miles a year) and important to me that its a bit different to the usual company exec cars like the TT's , BMs, merc, audi's etc. I have always been of the opinion that any car howver fast is something you get used to and become less noticable over time, as those thought fade it is the other matters like comfort, practicality and usability that come into place. i had a Golf V6 4 motion which was great at first but after 3 months or so gre to hate it as the radio was so crap i couldn't get anything on MW like 5 live, talk sport, trivial but true.

Ed

Originally posted by AnilS
18ME, as previously stated (a while ago now) I drove the 330ci, the day before my 8 test drive, and found the 8 only wanting some in gear flexibility ..... thats all. On all other counts the 8 tops the BM.

I know I had a 330ci sport myself a few months back. I was merely trying to point out the difference for Lucozade between his M3 and the RX8 as he was concerned about the performance defecit, and as the RX8 is similar to the 330's (on paper anyhow) performance then he would have a much better idea of what he is getting.

I disagree with you about driving it slowly to show it off....its mean't to be a drivers car and as such should be driven with great enthusiasm. If it was mean't to be a cat walk cruiser then Mazda would have just put a poxy 1.3lt engine in it.

Ohh they did.:D :D

Originally posted by 18ME
Ohh they did.:D :D

Yeah, but why put a hole in the fuel tank too? surely we can keep quite about the tiny engine....

I'm swapping a diesel rover 25 (works car!) for my 8.

It's actually a TURBO diesel and i just hope that after driving it for the last 12 months the 8 isn't a dissapointment!:D :D :D

Well I sold the MP3 player out of my scoob today.

Just got to sell the rest of the car now. Maybe I should try to sell it all in bits :D

Originally posted by rich606
I'm swapping a diesel rover 25 (works car!) for my 8.

It's actually a TURBO diesel and i just hope that after driving it for the last 12 months the 8 isn't a dissapointment!:D :D :D

Diesel Rover 25... LUXURY!!!
I'm currently driving an 'M' plate 214SEi which I'd have moved on from months ago were it not for the shennanigens of Mazda UK! At least it's the 2-door one though and it does have a decent Sony minidisc stereo (even if the speakers are rubbish)... The worst thing about 214SEi's is that when Rover decided to put small alloy wheels on them they didn't say 'oh, that means we'll have to alter the suspension then..' they just stuck them on anyway! All of the cars look like monster trucks and have a ride height akin to K2! That's why I didn't notice the dodgy ride height of the pre-production blue RX-8 we all saw. It was low compared to my usual mode of transport!!! ;)