Hey guys, I haven't haven't been here in a while, so I'm a little behind the times. And being a fellow RX driver, I was just curious about how the 8 has been doing. Stuff like sales, good/bad news, the hp issue, and other general stuff.

93RedX

...put the tin-opener down and step away from that can of worms....

C.

Originally posted by ep3
93RedX

...put the tin-opener down and step away from that can of worms....

C.

:D ROFL:D

wow
thats a lot of info you are asking for
check out some threads for all that info please

yeah do a search..

otherwise... let the trolling begin ;)

lol :)

as u can see he wants to see all the info in this thread, he doesnt feel like doing a search so can anyone be nice enough to answer his questions instead of being stupid,please

why dont you answer mental

Its not selling well because its not a very fast car, especially considering how sporty it looks. It is, however, a great car and has excellent handling but most people are goin for the STi cuz it does 0-60 in 5 seconds wheras the RX-8 does 7.5 seconds 5-60 if you dont wind her up (car and driver).

cause my intellegence on the questions he is asking might not give him the right answers he is looking for, so why dont u answer it?

Originally posted by 93RedX7
Hey guys, I haven't haven't been here in a while, so I'm a little behind the times. And being a fellow RX driver, I was just curious about how the 8 has been doing. Stuff like sales, good/bad news, the hp issue, and other general stuff.

Hi 93RedX7,

You have a lot of questions and there are a lot of threads here so I'll try to help out with some sales data.

If I'm reading things correctly, there have been 26,874 RX-8 sales worldwide between April and the end of August.

I'm sure you can read some of the active threads to get more info about the other subjects.

Brian

mental,
I'm not gonna answer because I dont have all the answers either and thats what the forum is for.

ok but the other people are telling him to search the forum when he is asking for simple information , so hes asking for all the info to be posted in this thread

Even I'm not touching this one :D

dude mental pimp you are a retard.. hahaha

j/k

Thanks for the back-up Mental Pimp. I was just asking a few general questions, and a few general answers would have sufficed. I would much rather do that than search through 20+ threads, along with putting up with the trolls who have been dogging the 8. So, back to square one with the exception of sales. Anyone?

I think in general, almost all owners have become even more enamored with their 8's.

The hp issue has waned greatly. I think because the power that it does have is plenty for most, it's ride/handling is premo & there are always ways of increasing hp if you want to - maybe not right now, but later as things get to market.

Styling has been getting rave reviews. I'm not talking about articles, I'm talkin'bout out there in the real world. Just ask me. I get 'em every time I drive it.

Check out the thread "The Little Things".

Now, as for 3rd gen RX-7, well...I saw one coming out of the service dept at the dealership. It was nicely tricked-out, like ready for the track. Sounded so very nice & he kicked it once it got on the road - I think for me - cuz my eyes were locked-on & my jaw was dropped. I know good when I'm around it. :D It was very good.

"Stuff like sales": 26,000 is a good start.

"good/bad news" Most people seem to love the design, the sound of the rotary, the doors, "The Little Things", the handling and the car as a total package. The mpg seems to be a disappointment to all. There have been problems reported with heat in the cabin, oil baffles causing the oil light to come on, weak Bose system, poor Mazda service from dealers, to name a few.

"the hp issue": not much agreement on this point. IMHO the difference is not noticable and within the 4% acceptable variance for published numbers. The $500 debit card and free owner's manual service for 4 years, or a buy-back, seems fair.

"and other general stuff.": Many people are using Zaino and liking it (instead of car wax), owners are adding to the sound system, the Renesis was voted engine of the year, if your gas cap isn't on tight you may get a trouble light, you can change the color of the lights on the instrument panel, which is way cool, XM radios seem to have no good place on the dash, check you tire pressure rather than rely on the built-in guages, put dinosaur oil in about a quart per 1,000 miles, hold the button for more than 5 seconds to disengage the DSC traction controls, don't rev to the red-line until you have at least 600 miles, the car gets a lot of admirers.

This isn't hard "fact". Just one man's attempt to answer the question.

les paul
very good summary
I agree

I don't agree with LesPaul on the mpg issue. It is a disappointment to SOME.

I'm getting around 20 mpg, which is exactly what I expected. No disappointment here.

Originally posted by RussellP
Its not selling well because its not a very fast car, especially considering how sporty it looks. It is, however, a great car and has excellent handling but most people are goin for the STi cuz it does 0-60 in 5 seconds wheras the RX-8 does 7.5 seconds 5-60 if you dont wind her up (car and driver).


7.5 Seconds.

For the manual?

No...
the manual is more like a 6.0 second car. I've seen as low as 5.9 Seconds in road and track

Originally posted by mikeb
mental,
I'm not gonna answer because I dont have all the answers either and thats what the forum is for.

Mental, the reason Mike does not want to answer is because he is going for the record by responding to any post by stringing together 8 words or less on any given response. In fact, you grudgingly forced him above to respond with the biggest mouthful he has said in quite some time! j/k.. but somewhat true.. :D :)

Originally posted by LesPaul

you can change the color of the lights on the instrument panel, which is way cool,

I have white or red. Is there more colors? If so,how how do I change it?

Originally posted by rotarymagic
7.5 Seconds.

For the manual?

No...
the manual is more like a 6.0 second car. I've seen as low as 5.9 Seconds in road and track

7.5 sec. is the 5-60 time from C&D and it's 4.6 seconds not 5 secs for the STi 0-60 :p

Originally posted by IkeWRX
7.5 sec. is the 5-60 time from C&D and it's 4.6 seconds not 5 secs for the STi 0-60 :p


true...cuz i subscribe to Road and track :D

Russell......I love it how some people on here post one fact from a mag and say it is not a fast car??........ according to all the mags, the 0-60 time and 1/4 mile time are as fast, and some results faster than the G35, and faster than the 325i. The rolling start is not the strong suit of this car, but what about the s2000?...are you going to say that is not a fast car either?? Same problem without a reved launch, but give me a break. And with the simple mods that are coming out, the 8 keeps pace and is fast by modern sports car standards, with tons of potential to unlock some of the HP under the hood. Every mag in Europe to NA give it great reviews, for handling and performance. There are alot of more expensive sporty cars out there that are not as fast and do not handle as well, and cost more. (325, Audi TT, Saab V to name a few). It amazes me when someone posts info like that, and yet may have never been behind the wheel. Oh and you forgot the quote from Road and Track that claimed it performed like the lastest Boxster, as far as 0-60 and 1/4times. But I guess that is not fast enough for you either.

Originally posted by Broker73
Russell......I love it how some people on here post one fact from a mag and say it is not a fast car??........ according to all the mags, the 0-60 time and 1/4 mile time are as fast, and some results faster than the G35, and faster than the 325i. The rolling start is not the strong suit of this car, but what about the s2000?...are you going to say that is not a fast car either?? Same problem without a reved launch, but give me a break. And with the simple mods that are coming out, the 8 keeps pace and is fast by modern sports car standards, with tons of potential to unlock some of the HP under the hood. Every mag in Europe to NA give it great reviews, for handling and performance. There are alot of more expensive sporty cars out there that are not as fast and do not handle as well, and cost more. (325, Audi TT, Saab V to name a few). It amazes me when someone posts info like that, and yet may have never been behind the wheel. Oh and you forgot the quote from Road and Track that claimed it performed like the lastest Boxster, as far as 0-60 and 1/4times. But I guess that is not fast enough for you either.


It handles great and it has sufficient acceleration, but it's not really fast by modern sportscar standards, it's pretty average. Especially on the streets where you're going to do nothing but spin the tires like mad if you try an 8k launch. There is a 25K Saturn coming out soon that will be 300hp, the first 04 SRT-4 dyno produced 240+ hp and 270 torque to the wheels, the WRX is faster, the WRX STi is faster, the EVO is faster, the new TL is asfast, the 3.5 Altima is faster, the RSX Type S and GTI are damn close, the American V8 cars are faster, Forester XT, S2K, 350Z, G35... There are also a lot of cars in the works that will be out in the next year that will out accelerate the RX-8. Most of those cars have quite a bit more torque as well, but then again many of them do not handle as well as the RX-8.

Bringing up mods is silly because you can mod any car, and with all the turbo cars around they can get much better gains for a lot less money than you will be able to with the 8. I also have yet to see anyone come close to the Magazine numbers in the 1/4, and lets face it, they were pre production cars that the mags tested. The RX-8 is a great overall package and I'm sure almost all of you are more than happy with the performance, but lets face facts that's it's not fast by modern sportscar standards, it average or even below average.

Ike

Originally posted by IkeWRX
Even I'm not touching this one :D
You did not last very long.;)

Originally posted by Rick
You did not last very long.;)

I know... (hangs head in shame) but I was responding to other people so it doesn't really count... does it? :p

do you own an 8?...if not why post here?. Funny how you think a 0-60 time in 6secs is slow?.. even the G35 got a 6.1sec 0-60, and they used a 4k launch. You seem very bent out of shape over the WRX or whatever, but give me a break by saying the 8 is not fast by modern sports car standards. But trying to explain it to guys like you is a lost cause.
:o

I have seen 14.8 times on this thread by members. Close to tested times. The closest comparison for the 8 is the G35, and they have close to Identical performance numbers.

And by saying there are alot of cars in the works that will out perform.?? well of course. What class, what price, what style.

And by the way, being a rotary with the high rev limit, you can do little mods and get big results. A fuel control system is being produced by an individual on this thread now, and we are looking at 25hp. I think the 8 with that kind of extra pop will be faster than the G35, and a host of others. The Honda s2000 is a close comparison, and it has a similar power band. And you can't compare the 350Z to the 8, 2 different cars. but look at the numers 350 0-60 in 5.6 and the 8 does it in 6...not much difference. But I could talk till I am blue in the face, and you will try to blow smoke and make wild comparisons. WRX and EVO? Not even in the same class.? yes faster, but such a cross comparison it makes no sense? Anyway, with an additional 25hp, the s2000, and G35, will be left behind. And with that extra power, it could keep pace with the 350Z, but the torque of that car makes good power down low.

sorry, here are the facts, the performance of the G35 and the 8 STOCK are almost identical, except handling which goes to the 8

Enough said

Originally posted by Broker73
do you own an 8?...if not why post here?. Funny how you think a 0-60 time in 6secs is slow?.. even the G35 got a 6.1sec 0-60, and they used a 4k launch. You seem very bent out of shape over the WRX or whatever, but give me a break by saying the 8 is not fast by modern sports car standards. But trying to explain it to guys like you is a lost cause.
:o

I have seen 14.8 times on this thread by members. Close to tested times. The closest comparison for the 8 is the G35, and they have close to Identical performance numbers.

And by saying there are alot of cars in the works that will out perform.?? well of course. What class, what price, what style.

And by the way, being a rotary with the high rev limit, you can do little mods and get big results. A fuel control system is being produced by an individual on this thread now, and we are looking at 25hp. I think the 8 with that kind of extra pop will be faster than the G35, and a host of others. The Honda s2000 is a close comparison, and it has a similar power band. And you can't compare the 350Z to the 8, 2 different cars. but look at the numers 350 0-60 in 5.6 and the 8 does it in 6...not much difference. But I could talk till I am blue in the face, and you will try to blow smoke and make wild comparisons. WRX and EVO? Not even in the same class.? yes faster, but such a cross comparison it makes no sense? Anyway, with an additional 25hp, the s2000, and G35, will be left behind. And with that extra power, it could keep pace with the 350Z, but the torque of that car makes good power down low.

I never said it was slow, I said it was average or maybe even below average. With your extra 25 hp mod you will not be leaving behind any G35s, by the way. Lastly the G35 beats the RX-8 0-130 by about 7 seconds, just count in your head and think about how many cars lengths that might be, it's not pretty. Comparing stock cars to modded cars is silly, other people can mod as well you know. Oh and many of them will get much more than 25 chp from an ECU mod. Did the fact that those cars I listed are about as fast or faster than the 8 bother you that much? Sorry for the facts again, I keep forgetting how much some of you despise them.

By the way Broker, I think you broke the record for fewest periods in one of your posts ever, is that really you or did someone confiscate your user name? :p

Ike

Originally posted by Broker73
sorry, here are the facts, the performance of the G35 and the 8 STOCK are almost identical, except handling which goes to the 8

Enough said

Nope, think again and read above. Also most of the traps people are getting on the production cars are around 92, 93, the G35 traps around 100, that's a big difference.

If it makes you feel any better you should be able to take a stock WRX on a highway roll since the AWD eats up some HP and 4th and 5th gear are like overdrive :D

you really believe the 8 with an extra 25 hp will not be leaving behind any G35's?. If we are sticking to facts, how can that be? if the performance numbers are so close stock for both cars, with 25 more pops under the hood, it only makes sense the 8 would walk away.
But maybe you are an expert on the G35 to?:D
Do you even own an 8?. or looked at the performance numbers and compared them to similar cars?. and Read all the reports from Europe to Na. They just had another one done in Europe, comparing the 8 to the new VW R. And it was not much slower than a car with more torque and AWD.
You keep talking about facts, yet you seem to be finding ways to make a poor reflection on the 8?
Road and Track has the 8 faster in the 0-60 and 1/4 mile than the G35. Maybe you should go to a G35 forum and let everyone know there car is below average:o
The WRX or EVO, and lets even throw in the Mustang SVT, or how about the M3? Yes all faster. OK you win, and I guess this means you know better than most reviews, and can set the bar as far as sports car performance. You must not own the car, so why waist your time here?

oh, ok, so now all of a sudden, you are pulling out 1/4mile times from "other people"? for the G35.

So they are getting better results than every review done?. OK:o
Lost cause

since we are sticking to facts. But I am sure you'll find a way to pick this apart to.




Mazda RX-8 v VW Golf R32


few new cars have laid it on the line as frankly as the Mazda RX-8. It's tempting to think of it as a cautious diffuser of ideas, meticulously smudging the lines between saloon and coupe, purist sports car and executive smoothie. Its pitch smacks of contrived ambiguity. But it might just be one of the great doubt-free zones of recent times. If you buy an RX-8 you're not buying some bogus genre-bender, the reasoning goes, but an alternative mindset. Leave the ludicrous attribute-fusing to the 'motro' and oh-so 'spafe' Nissan Micra, the RX-8 really is radical: aesthetically, conceptually and propulsively.

And that's a stroke of genius straight off. The RX-8 isn't just the world's only rotary-engined car, it has no direct rivals at all. Does this make it an outcast? In a sense it does. But it also means it will be gatecrashing some of the best parties in town. Few BMW 325i drivers can have given a thought to what it would take to get them inside a Mazda showroom. They will now. Audi TT owners, too. And aspiring Nissan 350Z pilots. Even the hardcore hot hatch brigade. The RX-8 isn't mucho-macho, but how can you ignore 228bhp at 8200rpm, a 9400rpm red-line, a shape that makes even the Alfa 147 GTA's look straight-laced, and backward opening rear doors with more kerbside theatre than a row of Merc SLs in hood stow mode? You can't. And, at £22,000 for this, the more powerful of the two models, you shouldn't.

As we hinted at end of our megahatch showdown back in March, there's so much going on with the RX-8 it will probably star in a cross-genre span of group tests after it goes on sale over here in October. But, for us, it's pretty obvious where you start: with VW's Golf R32. Not only is the R32 the megahatch we like the most but, as with the Mazda, so much more than a one-trick pony.

Four-wheel drive projects its appeal deep into Audi quattro territory (damagingly for Audi because it outhandles the S3), its Phaeton-sourced 3.2-litre V6 delivers senior exec smoothness and flexibility in addition to heavy-duty stonk. And, of course, being a Golf guarantees oodles of sensible stuff to lubricate the mechanics of everyday motoring. It might not be the fastest or hardest of its type, but it is the most deftly multi-faceted and multi-talented. And that, along with its highly competitive £22,340 price, makes it a potent foil for the do-it-all Mazda.

It's the contrasts as well as the similarities that fascinate. Where the two come closest is in headline power, claimed performance and price. The Mazda's tiny 1308cc normally-aspirated twin-rotor Renesis engine (shorthand for rotary re-genesis) trails the Golf's snugly shoehorned 3179cc, 24-valve, V6 by just 9bhp, but needs to have wound on another 2000 revs before it's realised. The svelter build is the 1394kg RX-8's, though, handing it a power/weight ratio advantage of 166bhp/ton to the 1512kg Golf's 159bhp/ton. Perhaps more tellingly, the updated Wankel engine is absolutely blitzed for torque by the German car, developing its modest 156lb ft at a frenzied 5500rpm whereas the R32's thumping 236lb ft is on call at just 2800rpm.

Both have six-speed gearboxes with sprint-orientated gearing - understandably so in the Mazda's case to compensate for the paucity of low-speed grunt but with the R32 the extra ratio seems designed more to massage the already punchy demeanour of the barrel-chested V6.

Given all of which, they're surprisingly close over the classic benchmark sprint. Mazda claims 0-62mph in 6.4sec for the RX-8 which, if confirmed, will more than match the 6.4sec 0-60mph time we recorded for the Golf, though this was in the wet. Call it a draw. It's probably just as well factory in-gear figures for the Mazda aren't available; we can't help thinking they'd be murdered by the Golf which, picking just one example, tears through the 50-70mph fourth gear increment in 5.8sec. Flat-out on the autobahn, too, the Mazda's driver would have to watch the Golf's chunky rump and quad exhausts gradually disappear over the horizon: 146 plays 154mph.

But, as we've discovered so often, test track acceleration stats and the real world aren't the same place. Nor should figures be the defining factor in this clash. The real value of these cars is first and foremost embedded in what they do for the driver's feelgood receptors and satisfaction glands.

On the way from Bologna airport to our hotel by the sea in Rimini, it becomes clear that in any case there's not much in it for straight-line pace. On the autostrada, the Golf's higher claimed top speed gives it no appreciable edge in the 100-130mph zone. And on country roads, the Mazda's anticipated performance deficit seems more modest still. Partly this is due to the perfect matching of engine characteristics and the ratios of its six-speed gearbox. First and second spin up enough turbine-smooth thrust to slingshot the RX-8 right into contention with the raucous R32, despite the all-drive Teuton's bludgeoning torque and from-rest traction advantage, while third, fourth and fifth sustain a seductively silky surge that reaches out for the far side of 130mph. Settled in sixth, the almost electric hum of engine note merging with the modest levels of wind rush and road roar, it makes a superbly chilled cruiser.

Supporting this is terrific straight-line stability and a special kind of finely-tuned suppleness that smooths away fatigue along with the bumps, dips and ruts. This is not unconnected with the Mazda's 50:50 weight distribution and the fact that its twin-rotor motor is set so far back in the engine bay, well behind the front axle. The Golf's good for the long haul, too, but its suspension's more fidgety than the Mazda's and its engine considerably more vocal. It's a more sonorous, power-drenched sound, too, but the Golf simply doesn't have the serene mien or extraordinary, arrow-like security of the Japanese car.

Both cars have great gearshifts, though: low effort, rigidly gated and precise. The RX-8's is marginally notchier and, because of the sheer necessity to hook up the rotary engine's top end charge and keep it flowing, it gets more grief when you're going for it. Wringing maximum effort out of the R32 is less physically interactive, but its big V6's vivid throttle response and fat mid-band performance still has more built-in excitement.

On the squirling hillside roads, fifty or so miles in from the coast, the grunt/grip equations are tellingly resolved. The Golf plants the larger acreage of sticky, ZR-rated rubber on the road, though both cars' tyres are the same 18in diameter. Super-stiff sidewalls, Haldex torque-apportioning four-wheel drive and sophisticated traction control systems breeze the responsibility of managing the power and torque on tap in the R32. In normal fast motoring, you never get even the whiff of an impression that the rear tyres are wrestling with those at the front over which should lead the way.

By and large, though, the Golf is outclassed when it comes to changing direction. Although the Mazda can't match the R32's remarkable grip and traction out of tight bends, it feels the more transparent, fluent and incisive car to drive through random twists, with crisper responses and a more intimate sense of control. The RX-8's power steering is lighter but even more direct than the VW's and brimming with feel, whereas the R32's can occasionally seem a little synthetic behind the reassuring weight at the rim. You really do get the impression that the Mazda's tyres aren't having to work so hard to contain the mass of its engine. It feels beautifully balanced and predictable.

Switch the traction controls off and the contrast between the two cars is intriguing. On extreme uphill hairpins like our photographic corner, the opportunity to generate some slip at the rear works to the RX-8's advantage, effectively neutralising what would be a tendency to understeer. The Golf will slide too, but it was more of a handful on the bumpy photographic bend, failing to settle into a consistent attitude as its four-wheel-drive system constantly scavenged for grip, aggressively shifting torque from one axle to the other. It felt better with the traction control left on. Both machines have impressively strong, progressive braking, though the Golf's ultimate stopping power and pedal feel shade the Mazda's.

Inside, the circular themes and soft, enveloping forms of the RX-8's cabin contrast strikingly with the R32's overtly angular architecture and the overall effect is altogether cosier and more cocooning. Which won't suit everyone, of course. The Golf is the pukka four-seater, the Mazda wings it. We can't imagine anyone wanting to do a long trip in the back of the RX-8 if the R32 was the alternative, no matter how novel the means of entry. That said, the Mazda's rear seats are actually more comfortable. As are its front seats which, while not as aggressively sculpted as the Golf's Recaros, offer just as much support and form part of a more relaxed driving position.

In the end it's a close call. The sophisticated face of superhatchdom as represented by the Golf R32 is a potent force at just over £22K. Too good for Audi's S3, too good for Ford's hardcore Focus RS and too good for Alfa's charismatic 147 GTA. It has real breadth of talent and convincing answers for every road, all weather conditions and a driver's fickle moods. It's powered by a truly muscular powerplant with a musical exhaust note and heavy-hitting delivery. You'd buy this car for the noise its engine makes, the grip and cut of its chassis, the tactile pleasures of its build and finish. It's still the most capable and desirable fast hatch on the planet.

But the RX-8 is sexier. Better looking. Quieter, smoother and more comfortable. Almost as fast. Better balanced. More fun to drive down a truly demanding road. And, perhaps because of all of that, more interesting. No, it doesn't have the Golf's macho bark. Nor its grip and instantly accessible grunt. If you're in a hot hatch frame of mind, it just won't do. But if you believe that the best drivers' cars are not necessarily the quickest, but those that blend dynamics and performance so seamlessly and cohesively that the driving experience is a powerful singularity rather than a collection of dazzling party tricks, the RX-8 hits the sweet spot with uncanny accuracy.

? wondering how you came to the conclusion the G35 beast the 8 by 7secs from 0-130?

R & T times

G35 0-100 14.9
RX8 0-100 15.9

OK you win:o

not worth the time. Especially for a guy that posts on a thread where he doesn't even own the car? wow

oh, and one more thing, since you seem to throw facts out so wildly
Nissan Altima SE (Manual) from R & T 0-60 6.3 secs (slower than 8)
1/4 mile 14.8 at 96mph (slightly slower than 8)

and yes a hard launch was used. Gee, this seems to refute you claim the Altima is faster? Sorry, just sticking to the facts:D

RX-8 been whoopin STi's in auto-x. Theres a clear winner in the handling dep't. Not to mention looks, inside and out.

Originally posted by mental pimp
cause my intellegence on the questions he is asking might not give him the right answers he is looking for, so why dont u answer it?

well said..

Originally posted by Broker73
? wondering how you came to the conclusion the G35 beast the 8 by 7secs from 0-130?

R & T times

G35 0-100 14.9
RX8 0-100 15.9

OK you win:o

not worth the time. Especially for a guy that posts on a thread where he doesn't even own the car? wow


C&D April 2003

RX-8 0-60 = 5.5 0-100 = 14.2 0-130 = 33.5
G35 0-60 = 5.9 0-100 = 15.8 0-130 = 26.8

This is also a pre production RX-8 that did not have the new ECU retune, those are not really the same acceleration are they now?
As for the post of your reviews... I said its a great package and will outhandle many of the cars I mentioned, and I am fully aware that the RX-8 is a great overall package, however there are many cars on the road that will hang with it on the highway or the 1/4 mile, and that was my point.

Ike

"Hang with it on the highway or 1/4 mile"

Who cares? How often (outside of Germany) do you have the chance to see 100mph, let alone 130mhp?

I regulaly drive at 90mph, but thats in the UK (with 70mph limits) over 100mph is an imidiate ban, no questions, so you dont do it (often or for extended periods).

I know US seems to care about 1/4 mile times and drag racing etc, but this just isnt a feature in the UK.

I've seen , on this forum, a stock US spec RX-8 in auto-x beating STi's (300bhp version) s2000's M3's round tracks.

For straight line, highway driving I care more about noise levels than acceleration, if its 15, or 20, 30 seconds to 130mph it does not matter. Once I'm at my cruising speed (85-90) I'm there for hours - unless theirs trafic and them acceleration matters even less.

On real roads (ones with curves etc) handling is more important than acceleration, unless I'm planing on overtaking, and I wont be doing that to any quick car that doesnt want me to (have you seen b roads in england? you'd have a shock).

Ike this says it all.

But if you believe that the best drivers' cars are not necessarily the quickest, but those that blend dynamics and performance so seamlessly and cohesively that the driving experience is a powerful singularity rather than a collection of dazzling party tricks, the RX-8 hits the sweet spot with uncanny accuracy.

The Golf R32 (like the WRX) is a collection of dazzling party tricks

The RX8 blends dynamics and performance so seamlessly and cohesively that the driving experience is a powerful singularity.

May suggest http://www.wrx.com.au

Originally posted by Broker73
you really believe the 8 with an extra 25 hp will not be leaving behind any G35's?. If we are sticking to facts, how can that be? if the performance numbers are so close stock for both cars, with 25 more pops under the hood, it only makes sense the 8 would walk away.

Road and Track has the 8 faster in the 0-60 and 1/4 mile than the G35. Maybe you should go to a G35 forum and let everyone know there car is below average:o


1) RX-8 with 25hp more might be faster than a G35, it might not..... it's NOT a fact, just a guess on your part. The point is kind of moot though, because you can't really compare stock with modded. A G35 with +25hp vs RX-8 +25hp, which one do you think will win? ;)

2) Magazine numbers: Magazine datas are most useful when they are driven by the same drivers, under the same conditions, at the same location. As far as I know, only 3 of such reports exist: 1. C&D comparison, 2. Best Motoring video, 3) CG Magazine (All three publication results can be found under Media/Publication section) In all of these reviews, the results were pretty clear to me. CG magazine got nearly identical times for the RX-8 vs G35C, but the G35C was an auto and RX-8 was the 250hp manual.

Just facts, now flame away~

Originally posted by IkeWRX
C&D April 2003

RX-8 0-60 = 5.5 0-100 = 14.2 0-130 = 33.5
G35 0-60 = 5.9 0-100 = 15.8 0-130 = 26.8

This is also a pre production RX-8 that did not have the new ECU retune, those are not really the same acceleration are they now?
... April 2003? Back when the pre-prod's were experiencing sticky intake port valves? The above numbers look like the RX-8 ran out of breath. Not the same acceleration for sure. Gearing & aerodynamic drag coefficient must be in favor of RX-8, right?

Ike, instead of www.wrx.com.au , try www.wrx.net.au very active forum and friendly members who know their WRX and Sti very well. You will be welcome over there, it's been a while since we have an American WRX owner in our forum.

Originally posted by IkeWRX
C&D April 2003

RX-8 0-60 = 5.5 0-100 = 14.2 0-130 = 33.5
G35 0-60 = 5.9 0-100 = 15.8 0-130 = 26.8


Hi IkeWRX,

Are you sure about those numbers? ;)

Brian

Originally posted by Buger
Hi IkeWRX,

Are you sure about those numbers? ;)

Brian

Yes I'm sure, I'm not trying to put down the 8 in the least, though many people seem to be taking it that way. Hell, I hate magazine racing and I've been doing it all over this thread, and there is no street racing talk allowed so bringing that up wouldn't help. I've said a few times in this thread that the RX-8 is a great overall package, but the speed and acceleration numbers are not remarkable at all. That was the only point I was trying to make, so stop trying to show me all these magazine reviews that talk about what a great all around performer the 8 is.

Rob, since you brought it up... the RX-8 C&D tested was louder than many many cars C&D tests when cruising at 70 MPH. Louder than ever the 03 Cobra and G35 they tested alongside the Rx-8. But I like cars that make a little more noise, as long as it's engine and exhaust note :)

Racer X-8 I've heard this sticky port thing and I'm not so sure what to make of it, maybe the car was having problems and that caused it to peter out in the higher gears, but the 1/4 mile times seem to state otherwise. It would be nice if someone tests a production car soon, so all this pre production car talk can be put to rest.


Ike

Originally posted by IkeWRX
C&D April 2003

RX-8 0-60 = 5.5 0-100 = 14.2 0-130 = 33.5
G35 0-60 = 5.9 0-100 = 15.8 0-130 = 26.8

Originally posted by IkeWRX
Yes I'm sure...
Ike

Hi Ike,

I was just asking because I've never seen any RX-8 0-60 times of 5.5 seconds and 0-100 of 14.2 from any magazine.

Are you really sure that you're sure? ;)

Brian

ike
he's asking a question

Originally posted by Buger
Hi Ike,

I was just asking because I've never seen any RX-8 0-60 times of 5.5 seconds and 0-100 of 14.2 from any magazine.

Are you really sure that you're sure? ;)

Brian

Haha, whoops, I see what I did now. You knew all along did you *cough* bastard *cough* :p

flipped the first two numbers.

Should be

G35 5.5 0-60 14.2 0-100
RX-8 5.9 0-60 15.8 0-100

show me a link to where you see that

R & T track had the 8 faster, and the G35 from 0-60 in 6.1sec
but they are virturally identical

except that the G35 costs more, doesnt handle as well, isnt as practical and is butt ugly. Almost subaru ugly.

was reading someone comparing the 8 to the RSX-S?

just browsed an article from R & T showing from a hard launch
the RSX had a 0-60 time of 6.7sec, and 0-100 in 18sec
now where near the 8

anyway, there are alot of great cars out there, and the 8 is by no means the fastest, but still stands out in a pac!
a few minor mods and you'd surprise the guy driving the s2000 next to you
:D

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12708


http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11529


http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9024

Originally posted by IkeWRX
Haha, whoops, I see what I did now. You knew all along did you *cough* bastard *cough* :p


[innocent expression] I didn't remember the numbers off the top of my head and I was just wondering. [/innocent expression]

:D :D

Originally posted by brothervoodoo
Mental, the reason Mike does not want to answer is because he is going for the record by responding to any post by stringing together 8 words or less on any given response. In fact, you grudgingly forced him above to respond with the biggest mouthful he has said in quite some time!

Woohoo, bro, someone finally called it! I haven't said anything cuz in general Mike seems to be an amiable guy, but when you have about 78 posts which say only "Good point, I agree!" then clearly you are going for the record with no particular substance.

Hey mike, try this: If you don't have anything new or unique to say in a thread try not saying anything at all. At least you're not trolling (usually) but your record isn't very impressive with such a mass of non-contributary pablum.

Originally posted by Broker73
was reading someone comparing the 8 to the RSX-S?

just browsed an article from R & T showing from a hard launch
the RSX had a 0-60 time of 6.7sec, and 0-100 in 18sec
now where near the 8

anyway, there are alot of great cars out there, and the 8 is by no means the fastest, but still stands out in a pac!
a few minor mods and you'd surprise the guy driving the s2000 next to you
:D

Now consider that most of the production 8s are trapping in the low 90s and running high 14s low 15s 1/4 mile, you do the math...


In case you can't were looking at around 18 seconds 0-100

every time ive ever heard of someone doin a hard launch theyve gotten mid 14's. The high 14's and low 15's are people that didnt do hard launches.

Originally posted by IkeWRX
Haha, whoops, I see what I did now. You knew all along did you *cough* bastard *cough* :p

flipped the first two numbers.

Should be

G35 5.5 0-60 14.2 0-100
RX-8 5.9 0-60 15.8 0-100

Looks like Ike convieniently for got the 0-130 reference. Let's see how he deals with this one.

It has become obvious to me that Ike = http://images.ar15.com/forums/smiles/smiley_troll.gif

For everyone that chimed in with a bit of insight, thanks. I was just looking for a few general details w/o having to wade through a bunch of BS and trolling. I really do look forward to see ing the continued success of the 8. :D

Ike wrote "Now consider that most of the production 8s are trapping in the low 90s and running high 14s low 15s 1/4 mile, you do the math... In case you can't were looking at around 18 seconds 0-100."

In the same manner as Ike's two quater mile post being the true numbers for the 8. We can use the same method and massive amount of info to form a fact, as Ike has done. Because we can not use magazine figures, we can safely say, and draw some glareing generalities about the wealth of information that has come forward about autoxing the RX-8.

If Ike was open minded about the RX-8, as he emplores us to believe, he might have posted this: Now consider that most production 8's are dominating autox in the BS class, and are besting times in most other classes. You do the math. These facts make the RX-8 the best manuevering and all around road car on the market.

But Ike isn't, so he didn't.

there is a lot more to a sports car than power.

my other street car has better than 6 lbs/hp and i think the rx8 at 12lbs/hp is wicked fast if you know how to drive it (still learning).

you want thrust, get a current model mustang cobra, those things are incredible on the boost. (and you can literally watch the gas gauge go down). they dont turn worth a damn though (been there, hit lots of cones). course the vette has endless pushrod torque AND gets great mileage.

rx8 is a great drivers car. the driving dynamic or whatever they call it is second only to a BMW in sporty 4 seaters.

james

Originally posted by renotse
Looks like Ike convieniently for got the 0-130 reference. Let's see how he deals with this one.

It has become obvious to me that Ike = http://images.ar15.com/forums/smiles/smiley_troll.gif

What do you mean left them out, they were posted correctly earlier. The G35 beat the RX-8 by nearly 7 seconds 0-130. I left it out because it was correct the first time I posted it. <shrugs>

Chuck, I agree, it's not a large sample. But trap speeds are far more consistent than autox times. Autox depends a HUGE amount of driver skill, trap speeds don't nearly as much and the trap speeds will be pretty close whether you turn a lower or higher ET (with the exception of a missed shift). The Miata and Mini does very very well in autox, but will lose to a ton of the cars it beats at an autox at a real race track.

Ophi, I agree with most of what you say. However there are cars out there that will handle as well or better than the RX-8 and outpace it on the straights. It is a great drivers car, and is a great package, though I disagree with the driving dynamic statement being second to only BMW. But this has a lot to do with preference.

Ike

Per another thread, the word from Mazda engineers at sevenstock was that the 8's tested by the mag's were running 100 octane and JDM ECU's.

Ike's got a point about trap speeds, but has posted the same crap over and over, so it's getting tired.

he still wont give the reference for the 0-100mph time. He made it up.

thought it would be of interest. Buddy just picked up his G35 Coupe last week, and we met for coffee today. On the way home, we pulled up beside on another and took off from a standstill. I currently drive the 1.8T, and there was half a car difference all the way to 100kph. He has the 6sp, and called me to joke he got ripped off:p

he probably didn't shift well ( at least I assume), but my point is in the real world, test mag times will vary with every car. And this was brought up in a few different articles I have read on the 350Z, RX8, and G35. The 8 is fast, but part of the joy is using the stick to work the car, and I think it can best be done in the 8 (just my opinion). But the G35 is a nice car!, but I really believe the 8 is faster than it feels. We were both surprised he didn't pull away from My Jetta, but I also know that cold air makes the turbo come to life a little more, and up here, it is getting colder:(
So maybe the Jetta had some more legs?

Only mod I am doing to the 8 is the fuel control system, and it will be interesting to see what the difference is when I line up with him next time in my new car:D

mag time tests

the guy who claimed they used 100 octane?....sorry, but I have a sub. to R & T and they claim to use the same (ie. Premium Fuel 91 or 92) fuel for test times on all the cars (350Z, G35 etc)

Originally posted by RussellP
he still wont give the reference for the 0-100mph time. He made it up.

I already said it, C&D April issue, read the post man. Oh, and stop reading R&T. :p

http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=15&article_id=4346&page_number=1

Originally posted by IkeWRX
I already said it, C&D April issue, read the post man. Oh, and stop reading R&T. :p

http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=15&article_id=4346&page_number=1

And you neglected to add:

C&D First Place
Mazda RX-8

Die-hard RX-7 fans, conditioned by three generations of extra-virgin sports cars, have been waiting to see if this four-seat model continues its predecessor's sporting tradition. So let's answer that question first: From the driver's seat, the new RX-8 is the best RX ever.
Credit Mazda's clever packaging, which incorporates space for four adults into a body no longer than a Porsche 911. Even more important, the RX-8 weighs a mere 2940 pounds—that's 560 pounds less than the G35 and even 200 less than the aforementioned Porsche.

Originally posted by TybeeRX-8
And you neglected to add:

C&D

I'm sorry, I thought posting the whole article would be better than just taking quotes from it... Would you like me to take some of the not so positive things said about the RX-8 from the article?

Originally posted by IkeWRX
I'm sorry, I thought posting the whole article would be better than just taking quotes from it... Would you like me to take some of the not so positive things said about the RX-8 from the article?
Say what you will, the 8 came in first. Straight line speed doesn't always make the best car. How many times will you ever see 130mph? If you say "a lot", then you are as BS as everyone says you are. TROLL!

Originally posted by silver8
Per another thread, the word from Mazda engineers at sevenstock was that the 8's tested by the mag's were running 100 octane and JDM ECU's.

Ike's got a point about trap speeds, but has posted the same crap over and over, so it's getting tired.


People here post the same crap over and over again. It's a great package (which I've said several times in this post alone) but about average in a straightline for a modern day sportscar. I would not have said something if the fanboys didn't try to pump the car up into something it's not. That was my only point of this whole post, but some people have some problems with the 8 not being teh F4ast3st car EV4R, as well as with reading comprehension.

IkeWRX:

You are really wasting your time IMHO.

When you buy a new car, a lot of research and time is part of the decision making process. Once this is done, most people become diehard fans of "their" car. It's really rare for an owner to become objective and I doubt you are going to change their belief that they have a totally fantastic car with no faults. It is probably the same with most owners of various cars.

The only thing I have found different with this forum compared to most other forums is that most of the owners (not all) are completely blind to their car's faults and have a real hard time with anyone making a perceived bad comment about the RX8. Therefore most discussions end up becoming rants and anyone disagreeing that the RX8 is the best at everything is called a TROLL.

Just my 2 cents.

LIP

I have never said the 8 is the best car ever?? I am sure we can find faults and pick apart every car out there. I just wonder why someone would troll around these forums if they don't own the car?

The 8 is not the fastest in straight line speed, but will keep up with most sports cars out there, and according to the C & D which I also read Ike, it outhandles some of its competitors (probably most). I read more than just R & T when looking at all the stats Ike
But I have to ask, why are you here?? Nothing better to do?
poor guy:(

I'm here to torment you, and also to make you stop using so many periods! Nice job by the way! :p

Just curious, what is your definition of keeping up?

ok, I see I am dealing with a child. "Ignore"

Originally posted by Broker73
ok, I see I am dealing with a child. "Ignore"

Sorry I just found it stupid that someone else that doesn't own the RX-8 is asking me why I'm here. Do a search, someone asks me why I'm here just about every thread I post something they don't like in.

Ike

I have one on order and have been following the rotary for some time, as well as the new mods that are coming down the line.

Hence the reason I like this site. Sometimes informative, and sometimes good for a laugh

Ike is just insecure over the purchase of his STi. Hes trying to plant the same seed of doubt into RX-8 owners but the fact is the RX-8 is a better car in every way except in snow or in a straightline race.

Originally posted by Broker73
I have one on order and have been following the rotary for some time, as well as the new mods that are coming down the line.

Hence the reason I like this site. Sometimes informative, and sometimes good for a laugh

I came to the site because I like the car and originally came here because I've been following the RX-7 for years and was interested in learning more about the RX-8. I even considered it as what would have basicly been a second car for me and a daily driver for my fiance.

I've stayed and continued to post because the RX-8 has turned into such a drama filled debut. The site is downright entertaining and that's why I'm still here, I'm also curious to find out the outcome of many of the contraversial topics surrounding the 8.

The period comment was more a kidding jab rather than an insult, and I meant the good job part, your posts are much much easier to read now.

(yawns in the general direction of RussellP)

Ike

Quote: " I just wonder why someone would troll around these forums if they don't own the car?"

These are the completely STUPID comments that I just don't understand. "WE" "non-owners" "troll" around these forums because we want to learn. Just because we don't own this car, it does not mean that we are not interested in it or do not want to participate in a discussion.

By your logic, you are suggesting that a prospective RX8 buyer just reads the magazine advertisements from Mazda before laying down their hard earned cash!!!

I've long been a Mazda fan (one of my cars is a Probe GT) and think the rotary is a very interesting engine. I've also been really happy to see Mazda doing a little better in car sales.

However, there is no perfect car. The RX8 is not a perfect car by any stretch of the imagination. Nor is the WRX Sti...Nor is the G35...nor is the corvette....nor is the SRT-4....nor is the BMW 3 series....However, discussions regarding each of these is often of interest on a purely technical level...and for entertainment purposes....

Quote :"Ike is just insecure over the purchase of his STi."

Just another stupid statement...Some of you are just asking for a good flaming...

LIP

wow another probe GT guy... ive had my 94 GT since 1996 and started the first probe club here in california in 1996. the rx8 captures what i love about the PGT.. although i do miss that sweet sweet 2.5 V6. i even started a products company for it: www.rpmtuners.com

hey, bench racing has its place! let the trolls have at it. no one criticizes a camry- only interesting cars get all this attention. :D

james

performance aside, as far as sales numbers go, if you guys're interested, mazda north america sold ~2100 rx-8's in the month of september, and ~5600 total up to end of september

Originally posted by lip
Quote: " I just wonder why someone would troll around these forums if they don't own the car?"

These are the completely STUPID comments that I just don't understand. "WE" "non-owners" "troll" around these forums because we want to learn. Just because we don't own this car, it does not mean that we are not interested in it or do not want to participate in a discussion.

By your logic, you are suggesting that a prospective RX8 buyer just reads the magazine advertisements from Mazda before laying down their hard earned cash!!!

I've long been a Mazda fan (one of my cars is a Probe GT) and think the rotary is a very interesting engine. I've also been really happy to see Mazda doing a little better in car sales.

However, there is no perfect car. The RX8 is not a perfect car by any stretch of the imagination. Nor is the WRX Sti...Nor is the G35...nor is the corvette....nor is the SRT-4....nor is the BMW 3 series....However, discussions regarding each of these is often of interest on a purely technical level...and for entertainment purposes....

Quote :"Ike is just insecure over the purchase of his STi."

Just another stupid statement...Some of you are just asking for a good flaming...

LIP


Well said Lip, I drove a Mazda MX-6 GT (the turbo model) for a few months. By the way, will you be my friend? The only other people that like me here are affraid to admit it for fear of being burned at the stake. :p Us trolls have to hang together you know!

And Renotse, work on the trolls jpegs, use this one in the furture :D

Originally posted by Ophitoxaemia
wow another probe GT guy... ive had my 94 GT since 1996 and started the first probe club here in california in 1996. the rx8 captures what i love about the PGT.. although i do miss that sweet sweet 2.5 V6. i even started a products company for it: www.rpmtuners.com

hey, bench racing has its place! let the trolls have at it. no one criticizes a camry- only interesting cars get all this attention. :D

james There's a few of us in here... my '93 MX-6 is my daily driver. Still love it for more than it's worth. That's mostly why I still have it, I guess, huh? To keep the RX-8 from daily driving wear & tear is worth a whole lot to me as well. Maybe now I can save my pennies & get that six back to some decent kind of condition. Poor thing's been dogged for too long now, yet, like a timex, just keeps on tickin'! (KOW!)

Anyway, yeah, I bookmarked your website for future perusal. I joined MX6.com just yesterday too...just found out about it! Lotsa good info & some good probe sites too!

Originally posted by IkeWRX
Well said Lip, I drove a Mazda MX-6 GT (the turbo model) for a few months. By the way, will you be my friend? The only other people that like me here are affraid to admit it for fear of being burned at the stake. :p Us trolls have to hang together you know!

And Renotse, work on the trolls jpegs, use this one in the furture :D Shoot, I thought you were having fun here dude! ! ! Time to bail you out again?
BACK OFF, SCUM BALLS!!!

OK dude, c'mon, lets blow this popsicle stand...

Broker73 your a real clown, your comparing pre-production numbers for the rx8. The real life production 8's are nowhere near the mag times. And the 7 seconds from 0-130 diff between the G35 and the 8 is now probably closer to 10-15 seconds now. And the 0-60 numbers are closer to 6.8-7 seconds and the 5-60 are probably 8+ seconds.

Real life rx8 times will average 14.9-15.2@90-92mph with some running slightly better in IDEAL conditions and some running slightly worse. Mag times are the 5.9 0-60 and 14.5@96 with are not happing in production models.

This board has the biggist case of denial ever.

Call me a troll or whatever you want. Its the truth and you are only lying to yourself. Every other forum on the net is laughing at you 8 people and your state of denial, its rather sad..

Originally posted by Blue 350z

This board has the biggist case of denial ever.

Call me a troll or whatever you want. Its the truth and you are only lying to yourself. Every other forum on the net is laughing at you 8 people and your state of denial, its rather sad.. [/B]

So, why do you come here in the first place since it's such a waste of time for you?

Originally posted by R32
So, why do you come here in the first place since it's such a waste of time for you?

I check in every once in a great while and it pains me to see people STILL quoting numbers from the full power pre-productions RX8 cars. Its rather sad that people just don't understand what the deal is and face facts and STOP QUOTING PRE-PRODUCTION MAG TIMES!!

What if the 350z was in C&D mag, they say it was running 13.5@106 in the 1/4 with 325HP.. Then Nissan published that they have lowered the HP to 287HP for production Z's and then everybody is running 14's now on the forum. I would feel like the biggist moron\tool running around quoting the 13.5 times since I know that was not the same HP numbers and it was a pre-production car.

Originally posted by Blue 350z
I check in every one in a great while and it pains me to see people STILL quoting numbers from the full power pre-productions RX8 cars. Its rather sad people just don't understand and face facts and STOP QUOTING PRE-PRODUCTION MAG TIMES.

What if the 350z was in C&D man, they say it was running 13.5@106 in the 1/4 with 325HP.. Then Nissan published that they have taken lowered the HP to 287HP for production Z's and then everybody is running 14's now on the forum. I would feel like the biggist moron\tool running around quoting the 13.5 times since I know that was not the same HP numbers and it was a pre-production car.

So what? People believe and do as they please. You seem like you're on a mission to change people's minds, and that's not going to happen any time soon, so, why are you wasting your time on this site now?

Its like a train wreck, I can't bare to look but I can't walk away either.

Originally posted by Blue 350z
Its like a train wreck, I can't bare to look but I can't walk away either.

As a moderator of a basketball website, I suggest you do.

The point of this board is for Rx-8 enthusiasts to express their joys and criticisms over an appealing (subjective) vehicle.

In this case, when a thread resorts to repetitive behavior from an "objective" source, the posters may or may not look down on that poster depending on how the material is presented.

Still, you want to enjoy your experience on this site and that's not what you're getting. The same goes for the enthusiasts for this site, because your point has been made, repetitively.

Otherwise, this will be an endless cycle, ongoing, where no one "wins."

Whether or not people want to accept your point is their decision, not yours.

Trust me, I know what you mean by the train wreck scenario, but isn't there something else to talk about outside of 0-60/1/4mi. times/ and pre-production models?

Originally posted by RussellP
Ike is just insecure over the purchase of his STi. Hes trying to plant the same seed of doubt into RX-8 owners but the fact is the RX-8 is a better car in every way except in snow or in a straightline race.

Ike's avatar of the two bananas doing the back door boogie makes me wonder if he is trying to plant more than a "seed of doubt" in us RX-8 owners

Ike, why all the anger and aggression? Is it possible you were abused as a child?

Originally posted by R32
As a moderator of a basketball website, I suggest you do.



LOL, a basketball website, i better watch my back!

I have actually got PMs from mods on this board saying how they encourage my input no matter how objective it is since its usually accurate information as long as I do not start fights and bash cars/people its all good.

Originally posted by renotse
Ike's avatar of the two bananas doing the back door boogie makes me wonder if he is trying to plant more than a "seed of doubt" in us RX-8 owners

Ike, why all the anger and aggression? Is it possible you were abused as a child?

Show me where there was anger? I wasn't angry, and I'm still not. I wasn't on the defensive nor the offensive I was just quoting some numbers <shrugs>. I'm not even angry after your classless comment.

Ike

i just took a dump and named it Ike.

Damn!! I almost wish I hadn't started this thread. I should have listened to ep3. Seriously though, everyone needs calm down a little bit. Magazine racing is the worst thing on forums. It's natural to defend your car. I do it all the damn time. The 8 is a great car, and Americans got screwed by the EPA. I am more than confident that once a good EMS is developed for it, horsepower numbers will start to really take off. It already handles with the best. And it's a very sharp looking car on top of that. Just my $0.02 from what I've learned, and being a rotary fan myself.

Originally posted by RussellP
i just took a dump and named it Ike.

thats real mature

Ok, closing this, since it's just gotten ugly. Sorry guys.