Well, I finally picked out my new toy. I'm taking the buyback offer on the RX-8 and I bought a Z earlier this week. I've put about 500 miles on the Z already so I can make a good comparison. I wish I could somehow merge the best qualities of these 2 cars.

The Mazda has better style in the interior and a better stereo. I like the exterior looks of both cars equally. When it comes to power there is no comparison. The Z would walk all over the RX-8 and get 30mpg while doing it. Yes, 30mpg. The best I had ever gotten with the RX-8 was 22mpg.

I love both cars but for the money, I felt the Z was the better choice for me. This site was very helpful and kept my sanity through the 5 months of waiting for the car. If I ever need the back seat and Mazda find the missing ponies I may buy another Mazda some day.

if u didnt need the back seat to begin with and it is clear in your mind thta the Z is superior why did u waste your time buying an 8?

I saw the RX-8 at the car show and fell in love. It's a sweet car. I preordered in March. I didn't care about the back seat. I just liked the car.

I just got a killer deal on the Z and couldn't resist. I wasn't planning on buying anything until spring but $8000 off sticker on the Z was hard to resist. It was used with only 300 miles on it.

1) change your name please!

2) 9 ponies means that much to you taht you returned the car and would buy it again.. for those 9 ponies.


what color did u get the Z in? how about some pix? also did u really open up on the RX yet.. with 500 miles... u shuda still been in break in..

8K below sticker u got a Z for under 25K?

damn thats an ugly car.

crash and die , please, juts kidding but u got a cheap interior, :D and good engine and an ugly car

It's the Audi TT's uglier younger brother! Run away!!!

"To each his own" as they say. good luck w/ your Z. I think it is a nice car BUT, unless you are single, You will sorely miss the spacious back seat area.
Even my 993 is no match for comfort. My two boys ages 14 & 10 love to ride in the 8. :p

I like the red Z! Nice choice!

Vince

Originally posted by Shocka
1) change your name please!

2) 9 ponies means that much to you taht you returned the car and would buy it again.. for those 9 ponies.


what color did u get the Z in? how about some pix? also did u really open up on the RX yet.. with 500 miles... u shuda still been in break in..


8K below sticker u got a Z for under 25K?

I have almost 5000 miles on the RX-8. It's broken in. The power isn't even close to the Z which isn't even broken in yet. I bought a Track model with Navigation and other goodies. It stickered at $38000 and I bought it with only 300 miles on it. It was cheaper than my RX-8!!

I would have returned the RX-8 for 1 pony. Anytime you can drive a car for several months, put over 5000 miles on it, and sell it for exactly what you paid, you would have to be crazy not to take this offer. I could go buy a new RX-8 much cheaper now. I made 2 calls to local dealers and had one offer me $1200 off sticker over the phone a couple weeks ago.

I honestly think the RX-8 is missing more than the 9hp claim. This added to the fact that Mazda screwed its most loyal customers by shipping available cars before preorders was alone enough to make me sell it back.

Originally posted by RX-MEN-8
"To each his own" as they say. good luck w/ your Z. I think it is a nice car BUT, unless you are single, You will sorely miss the spacious back seat area.
Even my 993 is no match for comfort. My two boys ages 14 & 10 love to ride in the 8. :p

im single but still need those backseats.

Originally posted by Shocka


im single but still need those backseats.

I'm single too. I'd like to have the seats but I can live without them. The thing I will miss most about the RX-8 will be the stereo. The Z stereo is mediocre at best.

rx8racer, im asking this looking for a honest opinion.

Having had an RX-8 you know the reaction of others to the car, is the reaction similar with the Z? Do older Z owners come up to you and talk about the car with you?

I just wanna know


as for the preorders, well i picked up my RX-8 right off the showroom floor, walked in they had 1 and sold it to me. The salesman showed me the paper work it was a pre-order, where the potential buyer could not come up with the funds, this is back in august.

Now i know they have a lot more in stock for sale, but i wounder if ther are still people waitinf for their pre-order?

anywho have fun with the Z just dont hate on the 8!

Originally posted by Shocka
rx8racer, im asking this looking for a honest opinion.

Having had an RX-8 you know the reaction of others to the car, is the reaction similar with the Z? Do older Z owners come up to you and talk about the car with you?

anywho have fun with the Z just dont hate on the 8!

I know for a fact that this is true...i'm sure its just like the older RX models w/the new 8...i've stopped at gas stations/grocery stores/etc...and some older gentlement (i'm only 21) will start talking to me about how he either had an older Z or has an older z and well just start talking blah blah blah...but yes there is DEFINITELY heritage in the Z family. Actually i don't even think my 350Z is the best lookin Z, i think the best looking Z was the old 260 and 280Z. But its good to see another Z owner on this board...and don't mind the haters...they're like that all the time

Originally posted by zthang


I know for a fact that this is true...i'm sure its just like the older RX models w/the new 8...i've stopped at gas stations/grocery stores/etc...and some older gentlement (i'm only 21) will start talking to me about how he either had an older Z or has an older z and well just start talking blah blah blah...but yes there is DEFINITELY heritage in the Z family. Actually i don't even think my 350Z is the best lookin Z, i think the best looking Z was the old 260 and 280Z. But its good to see another Z owner on this board...and don't mind the haters...they're like that all the time

Haters? Most of the Z owners on this board are the haters. This forum was intended for rx8 owners and enthusiests. Have a little respect before you come in and call rx8 owners haters on their own forum. From what I've read, the Z owners and others are the ones instigating and trolling. Get off your high horse, your Z ain't that great... *flame suit on*

whoo-boy...where to begin.

The one question I keep thinking about, if 350Z owners/G35 owners were offered the same opportunity to give their cars back after driving it for a couple of months for a full refund, I would guess the same % of them would return theirs.

Z/G has some of its own HP issues. Nissan has just chosen to ignore them. Plus, as others have pointed out, there seems to be some suspension and paint problems with the Z. Then there are the "cheap interior" issues, coarseness, build quality issues, ride quality, stereo issues......

I test drove the Z/G extensively before I bought the RX8 and again after I got THE LETTER. While the Z is quicker, it wasn't as significant as I was lead to belive it would be. They are very close acceleration wise in real world driving.

Not meant as a flame to those who have a Z as it was my 2nd choice. I can understand someone getting a 330Ci or a Z4 or an Audi TT or an S2000, or even a Corvette instead of an RX8. But I wonder how you'll feel about the Z after driving it for 5,000 miles like you did the RX8?

rx8racer....you have to admit, paying the same amount of money a new RX8 costs for what is essentially a used Z with no sunroof, doesn't make much sense to me.

Actually, I thought this post was kind of polite, just a exchange of info.

Z would not be my choice, I would have gone for the g35, But apples and oranges I suppose.

Good luck with the car, drive safe.

I grabbed 5 raffle tickets for a red 350z today. (charity)

My wife said "What would toy do with that if you won it, you just got your rx8?"

"Sell the z" rolled of my tongue without pause.

Sure power is a issue between the two cars and the 350z's performance can be boosted even further. But I'm sold on the entire RX8 package and I know there's untapped ponies under the 8's bonnet...

...if you think the 8 is fun to punt through the twisties, imagine another 50 horses!

Anyway, a 350z may have grunt, but it doesn't zoom :D

I had my heart set on a Z for months... I called all over the state/country looking for the car how I wanted it. No one in San Antonio that I talked to would let me take one for a test drive. I had to drive down to Corpus Christi to be able to drive one. The first thing I noticed was the view out the rear window/mirror. I'm 6'4" and if a car was 1.5 car lengths behind me, I could only see the bottom of their wheels. People kept telling me "you'll get used to it." I shouldn't have to "get used" to anything when I'm spending $30+ on a car. I talked to an 8 owner in a parking lot & he let me get in the car to see what the view out the windows was like. He had looked/test drove a 350Z as well before deciding on the 8. I'm glad I made the choice I did. I don't regret buying the 8 at all! The Z is a great car (my dad owned a 1986, good friend had a 1990 Twin Turbo w/ 450 HP...wow that car was fast), but the 350 & I just didn't match. My $.02...

Dude, no way you're gonna get 30 mpg with Z. They're getting 20-26 mpg at max. Z is not a civic. If your looking at mpg that much, Z is a bad choice as well. Civic hybrid is a better option.


Source:
http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=44775&highlight=mpg

Originally posted by spdspappy
People kept telling me "you'll get used to it." I shouldn't have to "get used" to anything when I'm spending $30+ on a car.


I was willing to getting use to the fact that the back door HAS to be closed before the front door!

yes the z is a bit faster but come on............I have driven both cars, and they both have much different power bands..............I would beg to differ on the whole idea that the z would walk all over the 8............yes is does have more power, but I think we are all tired of this whole hp cover-up thing that has been going on for quite some time............test drove the Z twice, and I was not jumping out of my seat with all the talk of its power..........it was fast, but not that much faster..........all the tests done have it .4 - .6 secs quicker in the 0-60 time..........it is a sweet car, but personally I'll give up a half a sec for styling and handling...........

The reason I passed on the Z was its tendency to understeer severely. The RX-8 had better balance around corners and that was what I was looking for.

It seems to me, that you were more interested in the power from the get-go and thus, the Z would likely have been the better choice for you anyway.

All the people on this thread bashing or saying stupid things to Rx8Racer for selling his mazda for a nissan are the biggest idiots! you all make me sick.

You defend the RX-8 likes it's the greatest thing since slice bread. I'm sure you all treat your 8 better than your girlfriends. HELLO?!!! It's just a F****** car! You all should be congradulating him on finding a vehicule that he's realy happy with and that he's gonna enjoy. SO WHAT that he bought a 350Z? Are you people telling me that the 8 is a better car?

I have an 8 and I adore it. I think it's a great car for the money and I get my money's worth. But it's still only a car. You shouldn't think others are stupid or call them names because they choose another sexy, high performance, kick ass styled car? For real you people are morons!

Congrads Rx8Racer. The Z is a great car and you'll enjoy it! I would've chose another color but that's just me! Enjoy!

That isn't something that causes me to feel unsafe driving the car...

Originally posted by Shocka


I was willing to getting use[d] to the fact that the back door HAS to be closed before the front door!

Originally posted by asparapani
All the people on this thread bashing or saying stupid things to Rx8Racer for selling his mazda for a nissan are the biggest idiots! you all make me sick.

You defend the RX-8 likes it's the greatest thing since slice bread. I'm sure you all treat your 8 better than your girlfriends. HELLO?!!! It's just a F****** car! You all should be congradulating him on finding a vehicule that he's realy happy with and that he's gonna enjoy. SO WHAT that he bought a 350Z? Are you people telling me that the 8 is a better car?

I have an 8 and I adore it. I think it's a great car for the money and I get my money's worth. But it's still only a car. You shouldn't think others are stupid or call them names because they choose another sexy, high performance, kick ass styled car? For real you people are morons!

Congrads Rx8Racer. The Z is a great car and you'll enjoy it! I would've chose another color but that's just me! Enjoy!


The fact is that most people here are just expressing opinions about the Z. I for one dont find the car to be all that great looking. But if one likes to brag how fast their car is it is a good car. But relax these are just peoples opinions.
But anyway good luck with your car Rx8Racer.

Whoa! I have posted my opinion on the Z car many times on this board. What I hear you say more loudly than anything else is that:

"anyone would be crazy to drive a new car for 5000 miles and then have the option to turn it back in for the money and not do it. "

That is the issue here. What several are saying here is that they too looked at the Z and found it to be lacking in comparison overall to the 8.

Graphicguy brought up a good point too. "

How many people who own a G35/Z Nissan car would return their car given the same option?"

I believe many would. I know of one person myself who is disappointed. One major problem many people exhibit is lack of contentment. We want something badly but then as soon as we get it we want something else or different once the newness wears off. The G35 and the 350Z are nowhere near the design plan that the 8 is. THis is factual not opinion. Consider the G35 coupe. That car is designed to be a rear seat passenger car yet due to the steep rake on the rear window, adults cannot sit in the rear. The large rear glass acts as a sun magnifier into the interior of the car. The 350Z has its quirks too. For the first time I can note that the designers of a car, the RX8 really took the time to think out many things; to make the car as flexible as possible given what it is. I spent a great deal of time rethinking my first decision during the buyback period and looked at these "other" cars. The RX 8 is a fantastic car. I am glad for you RX8racer and your resolve yet I believe the greatest reason you gave was the financial one more than anything else.

Ok time for my opinion on this... like you needed it or anything lol.

First and foremost, the thing you said about being able to drive a car for a couple of months, put 5k miles on it and then sell it for what you paid for it was the best point you could make and I completely agree with you.... Definately a wise move and a new perspective on the buybacks (especially if you like the RX-8 still and buy a new one)...

As far as the Z goes... this is the first time I've liked a car and its main rival was a car that I liked too... or a "line" I liked. I own a Camaro now and HATE....... HAAAAAAAAATE mustangs, ugliest junkers around town... But my first car was a 280 Z and I always thought the 300Z was nice (the funny thing was, the problem with the Z's was always power, as far as my family's experiences go... so I guess things have changed).... but to be totally honest, as much as I try to like the new 350Z, as much as I love the Z line... and as much as it still looks like the old Z's... I don't like the look of the Z. It looks nice, in red and stuff.... but I just can't warm upto it.

The reason I love the RX-8 so much is the looks and since it has 200 HP, which is more than my current car... I'm sure I'll be happy.

If you are a power man then this seems like a definately great opportunity. You got to test drive an RX-8 for a few months and then go to a Z.... at least you liked the RX-8 while you had it..

congrats enjoy your car

I got the 8 over the Z, WRX STi, and the Evo for the same reason, it's not all about speed! The 8 is plenty fast but the breaking and feel of the car is what got me.

And there is nothing that looks like it on the road.


If it comes down to power and price, why did you get the Z and not the Evo? I don't know if anyone else has driven one of these freakin things but it is FAST AS HELL!!!! But it's plain, very little character. These are all different animals and it seems you just picked your poison, in a way I'm glad you got what makes you happy.

Originally posted by Haris
Dude, no way you're gonna get 30 mpg with Z. They're getting 20-26 mpg at max. Z is not a civic. If your looking at mpg that much, Z is a bad choice as well. Civic hybrid is a better option.


I bought the Z in Long Island and drove it back to Ohio. All highway driving I got 29.5 miles to the gallon. I also have a Civic CVT for my work car. It will get almost 40mpg highway but more impressive is about 30mpg in the city. Tooling around town with the Z looks like it is going to give me about 16mpg but I'm only guessing right now. I've only had it since Tuesday.

Originally posted by asparapani
All the people on this thread bashing or saying stupid things to Rx8Racer for selling his mazda for a nissan are the biggest idiots! you all make me sick.


Thanks. I actually love both cars. They both have thier good and bad points. I was debating between the 2 cars for a while. I grabbed this Z because even if I hate it after a couple thousand miles, I should easily be able to get my money back plus some in the spring.

Breathe in. Hold. Breathe out. Breathe in. Hold. Breath out.

rx8racer, congrats on your new car. I hope you are happy with it!

To everyone else: if you're going to get aggressive with rx8racer for making a decision that was right FOR HIM, how does that make you any better than the trolls who come on these boards and post? The 350z is a great car. It is different to the RX-8.

Everyone has their own needs and wants in a car. For some people it is all about the straight line speed. For some it is handling. For some it is luxury. Your needs/wants aren't any better than anyone else's - they are YOURS. If we expect non RX-8 owners to come to these boards and treat us with respect, we could all try showing non-RX-8 owners some respect also. What goes around comes around people!

ok where in LI did u get that price on the Z.. my friend is about to get one; got a sales person ud care to share and help out.. maybe you'll get something more back outta it.. pm me and lemme know

That's quite a nice shot you have: both red, side-by-side. Probably not something you see often. Just curious... could you get some other angles? (sorry didn't read the whole thread -- ie: if you took it back already).

I think they would be of major interest.

nah aussie i think everyone is bein mature
we respect the Z... it's a nice car even if it doesn't look as good as the 8.... the nice thing about these forums is there aren't too much bias attitudes...

i saw people on the S2000 boards somewhere saying how the RX-8 copied the S2000 etc................. yeah so what? It did but it only copied a good looking car and made it look better lol..

Originally posted by BlueOakleyz
nah aussie i think everyone is bein mature
we respect the Z... it's a nice car even if it doesn't look as good as the 8.... the nice thing about these forums is there aren't too much bias attitudes...

i saw people on the S2000 boards somewhere saying how the RX-8 copied the S2000 etc................. yeah so what? It did but it only copied a good looking car and made it look better lol..

I do not understand, the two cars are not similar at all, what did I miss?

If you look at the RX-8 and S2000 side by side which I saw a pic of.... the front ends look very close, except the s2000 is much more boxy/straight, both look good though

someone posted a pic of s2000 and rx8 side by side and there is some similarities in the body lines and headlights

Originally posted by Literatii
That's quite a nice shot you have: both red, side-by-side. Probably not something you see often. Just curious... could you get some other angles? (sorry didn't read the whole thread -- ie: if you took it back already).

I think they would be of major interest.

Here are a few pictures for you.

another

another one

last one

They both look very tasty.

Had the RX8 not become available, I too would have purchased a 350Z.

It was a tough choice for a while, especially when I couldn't get my hands on my RX8. I found myself being pulled toward the Nissan dealer quite often as I waited for the 8 to arrive.

Glad I waited.

Hey ex-rx8racer,

Tell us about the red duco on the z. What does it look like in the sunshine?

I got a few raffle tickets for a red z yesterday - the car was in a mall and the paintwork looked dull. Is it anything like the 3 layer pearl on the RX8?

If my opinion's worth anything to you, avoid the air dam and skirts look, unfortunately it makes the z look like a giant portable vacuum cleaner (opinion).

cheers and good luck with that piston thing :D

I like the red of the RX-8 better. The Z has a regular blazing red with no metallic. Nothing special but it is not dull. The X-8 looks like more expensive paint.

I'm trying to talk my fiancee into replacing her car with an RX-8. She likes it more than the Z. I think an automatic RX-8 would make a perfect car for her. She doesn't realy want the power and she loves the RX-8. If I can talk her into it, I'll be able to drive both! :-)



Originally posted by Kev
Hey ex-rx8racer,

Tell us about the red duco on the z. What does it look like in the sunshine?

I got a few raffle tickets for a red z yesterday - the car was in a mall and the paintwork looked dull. Is it anything like the 3 layer pearl on the RX8?

If my opinion's worth anything to you, avoid the air dam and skirts look, unfortunately it makes the z look like a giant portable vacuum cleaner (opinion).

cheers and good luck with that piston thing :D

Originally posted by Tronics


Haters? Most of the Z owners on this board are the haters. This forum was intended for rx8 owners and enthusiests. Have a little respect before you come in and call rx8 owners haters on their own forum. From what I've read, the Z owners and others are the ones instigating and trolling. Get off your high horse, your Z ain't that great... *flame suit on*

Ill admit there have been z owning haters on this forum that got you guys all riled up, but i am not one of them....however any time i post just about anything (and i never flame the 8...i usually talk about how much i like it and am just giving straight facts), i get flamed (this instance was no different)...but like some of your own board members have pointed out in this thread, you guys are just as flame happy as the trolls that come here and flame your car...you act as if youre better than them...keep flaming me if you like...its not like it affects me...sometimes it makes me laugh...i get on the internet for entertainment anyways. Wheres mental pimp? I know hes got something to say about the Z...I wonder if hed try to pick a fight w/me in person just because i own a z...

I test drove the Z today. My impressions are as follows as it relates to the 8 in comparison:

1. It is fast!!!!!!

2. The car is cramped and one fells as if your sitting on the ground IMO.

3. The ride/suspension was a bit harsh and choppy.

4. The car feels heavy although it handled quite well.

5. It didn't feel as nimble or responsive to my abrupt maneuvering. (I'm not saying it can't be done, but I felt more at one with the 8 while doing so.)


Overall, I think that the Z does and will continue to have mass appeal to a very different type of buyer as opposed to the 8. These two cars are different animals with different objectives. The Z most definite for all out brut power and acceleration (as it pertains to the japanese automakers). The 8 for nimbleness, quickness and functionality. All things considered, The 8 still gets my vote due to the willingness of the engine to rev at higher rpms and the fun factor and feeling I came away with after driving. I think that If I really wanted a Mazda product that was in direct competition with the Z, I would hold out for the 4th Generation RX-7. I'm sure that it will be more than an adequate adversary in that regard.

* I'll test drive the G35 later this week. I expect a more supple ride than the Z and I'll compare the fun factor to the 8 and then I'll post again.

i luv em both... :)
but i can't afford either.... :(

if i could.. i'd take a black Fairlady and a Ti grey RX8.. :)

Very nice! I have a Redline Enthusiast model and love it. ALmost ordered the RX8 before I ordered the 350, but the dealer got me such a great deal I couldn't pass it up :)
Congrats :)

both are great cars IMO
they just have different qualities

I finally made the trek over to the Infiniti dealership today and test drove the G35 Coupe. It was an automatic non the less but it was all they had to demo. My impressions are as follows:


1) It is a sweet looking ride. (I actually like its looks better than the....you guessed it "Z")

2) It has a smooth take off/pick up and the ride was not as taut/harsh as the Z. However, I did feel a little lag when I floored it to cross lanes while making a turn before the light turned red on me. I had it up to 100-105 mph and it felt as if I were going 65-70 mph.

3) The back seat headroom was cramped. (I had a cap on and had to take it off to keep from having my head hit the rear glass. Even with the cap off, I had very little space. The saleman, LOL sugessted that it I or anyone who was taller than 5' 6" lean in towards the center of the rear console to make accomodations. That was funny.)

4) It did not sit as low to the ground as the Z. The salesman stated that the frame was shortened for the Z even though they were supposed to be the the same platform.


OVERALL, I would choose the G over the Z because it seems and feels a bit more refined and the supple ride is overwhelming.

In retrospect, I still left there yearning the 8. I guess it's just something about this car that keeps me going back. I contacted the SAMS Club dealer in my area to get preliminary numbers with all the options that I want on the 8. He came back with some numbers that were different from what I got on the SAMS Club Site, therefore I sent him back to the drawing board/General Manager/Sales Manger to rework. I'm awaiting the explanation of exactly how much is cahrged over invoice for SAMS Club Members. If the percentage is relatively low (3 - 4%), I'll order all the options from the factory, thus getting the deal on those as well as opposed to waiting to get them done by the dealer afterwards. It does appear that I will have to order my 8in order to get exactly what I want. I'm a stickler for not having too many screws loosened for dealer installed options after the initial build due to rattles and squeaks. The only thing that I really want and can't have is Sirius Satellite radio hook up already built into the head unit. Sirius' website states that the have partnered with the Ford group and that it is forthcoming with future Mazda models. Please hurry with the finalization so that I may continue to enjoy my satellite radio. I've already paid for a year subscription and would hate to lose months of not being able to hear/enjoy it. The current configuration I have set up will not fit anywhere in the 8 and I don't want an obtrusive looking after market piece taking away from the good looks of the instrument panel in the car.

I have a friend who has a Silverstone Z Roadster and he let me drive it a few days ago. It was an automatic, which took some of the fun out of it, but it did have a manual shift mode. Driving just about any convertible is an enjoyable experience, and I really liked the power top and the ventilated mesh seats. I had already driven a Z coupe and couldn't tell much difference in performance; both are quick, nimble, but a little on the heavy side. Appearance-wise, it's like a chunkier version of a Honda S2000, with a slightly bigger trunk and a more spacious cabin. Too bad it costs around 40k.

i agree with blue phi
the g would have been my next choice behind the rx8

I seriously considered purchasing the G35 Coupe, but the lack of rear headroom doomed it for me.

If you often need to carry passengers over 5'8 in the backseats, then the G35C would not be a very good choice. There simply isn't enough headroom, and if you run over a large pot hole..... :D I am 5'10+ and I'd be damned if anyone force me to sit back there for more than 20 minutes. On the other hand, I had friends ranging from 5'5 to 5'7 back there on a 6 hour trip and they were perfectly comfortable. (Mandatory height check before every ride)

On the other hand, the RX-8 seems to feel cramped in the backseats as well, but in a different way. There seems to be less shoulder and hip room in the 8. (possibly due to the slanted suicide door and huge center console) There is also less legroom in the 8 though I know Mazda's publicized figure suggests otherwise. Overall, I wouldn't recommend either car as permanent 4 seaters if the passengers are tall.

On a side note, I have removed the center console in the rear seats of the G35C and ordered a custom leather cushion and a set of seat belts. There is definitely enough room for 3 people back there, God knows why they had to make it 2+2 only.

Well...the verdict. Test drove both the RX-8 and G35 Coupe as I mentioned and wrote a check for the G35 Coupe the next day.

So okay, this will be my last post on this forum, since I will likely not be welcomed anymore I must say that you guys have members that are serious and passionate about your RX-8's. I went out to the G35 forum and it was dissapointing...

Anyways, forums aside, this is how it went down for those interested.

Decision maker profile (my wife and I)
- late thirties
- a couple of little kids we'd like to bring along a lot
- needed a child car seat to fit in the rear seat
- wife and I both have some track experience in our earlier years
- driving german cars last 13 years (audi, mercedes, porsche); I also owned a Mazda back in college.
- really wanted a 911 or M3 convertible, but hey, economic times have not been the best lately and have to boost their college funds.
- willing to sacrifice some performance for some daily practicality.

RX-8 Pros:
- Engine 'sings' effortlessly
- Superb handling, very tossable
- Less expensive - I could have got an RX-8 w/ navigation for what I paid for the G35.
- Six footers can sit in the rear w/o head touching ceiling. I have to slouch a little in the G35, so definitely would not be comfortable for long hauls, but then again I have little kids who don't come close to touching the ceiling.

G35 Coupe Pros:
- Better rolling acceleration (5-60mph) for real world passing.
- Overall more solid feel. Eg. wife & I are more acquainted w/ 'thud' with the door, and a bit more of a 'rolling block of steel' feel from the germans.
- Sorry, but I like the overall G35 styling better.
- Better warranty (on the powertrain side)
- Gas mileage (got 24 mpg out of a 220 mile trip; less than 600 total miles on odometer)
- Better service (even better than I've got from Mercedes Benz)
- Interestingly, I was also able to negotiate a few hundred dollars of the sticker.
- Sales guy 'pushed' the car - straight and around bends - then asked me to do the same. (Mazda salesguy came close to running me over when it was time to 'switch drivers', and had me baby the test drive.
- Don't have to hassle with the 5 minute engine warm-ups and warm-downs of the rotary.
- Automatic with a full power engine, no lesser engine with like with RX-8 (although BMW's SMG would have been ideal). My Audi's already a manual, so I really wanted something that I could use on those 1 hour long traffic jams.


Bottom line: RX-8's a wonderful car, but it is just not for us, this time around. Thanks to this forum for great info on the RX-8!

3DOBUZZ,

I can see where you are coming from in basing your decision and I applaud you for making the most informed decision that suits your family and lifestyle.

The G is a very nice car. The ride was superb and it probably would be my second chioce. I was not afforded the opportunity to pull the gears, therefore in my opinion I can't say how great the 6 speed is. I do know that as I approached 100-105 mph on the test drive and did not get the "RUSH" that I got when I did similar mph with the 8. All other things in my opinion are equal except that the G has more horsepower, the 8 was more responsive steering wise, my head wasn't cramped in the 8. I guess it was the pounding heart after the RX-8 test drive(s) that have sold me.

Good Luck, you have an excellent car.

awesome
good luck with the g

Congratz on the G35- it's a beautiful car! However, I'd like to make one teensie comment about your pros on the G35- I have no idea where you got the 5 minute warm up and cool down for the renesis, but that's completely not true. It's just like any other car- start it up and go, stop and turn it off. I don't know who told you that, but they were full of it. It's rumors like that that are going to give this car a bad reputation.

Thanks for the pics on request :) Nice shots...

Originally posted by Elara
Congratz on the G35- it's a beautiful car! However, I'd like to make one teensie comment about your pros on the G35- I have no idea where you got the 5 minute warm up and cool down for the renesis, but that's completely not true. It's just like any other car- start it up and go, stop and turn it off. I don't know who told you that, but they were full of it. It's rumors like that that are going to give this car a bad reputation.


There are a few people who have discussed getting flooded engines when they started for a very short time. They can not get it started without a lot of problems. Does not seem to be rumors from someone reading up on this car.

Funny you should switch to a Z. We have my husband's Z and my RX-8. (I love the Z, but decided to go with the RX-8 since I wanted the extra seats.) I prefer the feel of the RX-8's handling, but definitely love the power and tranny of the Z.

The Bose stereos suck in both... I really expected better. The first stop the Z made was to get a new system. And as soon as I find a nice dash for the RX-8...that stereo is out the door, too!

And of course the gas mileage is laughable. I get 23 in the RX-8 and the Z is 32. Sad, so sad. Good luck with your Z, I know you'll love it!

23 mpg in the 8 is very good it seems:eek:

Originally posted by Elara
Congratz on the G35- it's a beautiful car! However, I'd like to make one teensie comment about your pros on the G35- I have no idea where you got the 5 minute warm up and cool down for the renesis, but that's completely not true. It's just like any other car- start it up and go, stop and turn it off. I don't know who told you that, but they were full of it. It's rumors like that that are going to give this car a bad reputation.

From the Mazda RX-8 Quick Tips booklet:

Short Trip Driving Procedure
Any trip that is too short for the engine to reach normal operating temperature; needle in middle of temperature gauge indicates normal temperature. The following procedure should be followed when moving the vehicle a short distance**
1. Start engine
2. Move vehicle
3. Warm engine for 5-minutes at idle
4. Raise engine speed to 3000 RPM for 10-seconds
5. Return to idle
6. Turn off engine
Tip: Warming up engine improves engine life
** Moving vehicle at a car wash or moving vehicle to access another vehicle would be considered a short distance

I always do this when washing the car and have to move it in and out of the garage.

Originally posted by pelucidor
From the Mazda RX-8 Quick Tips booklet:

Short Trip Driving Procedure
Any trip that is too short for the engine to reach normal operating temperature; needle in middle of temperature gauge indicates normal temperature. The following procedure should be followed when moving the vehicle a short distance**
1. Start engine
2. Move vehicle
3. Warm engine for 5-minutes at idle
4. Raise engine speed to 3000 RPM for 10-seconds
5. Return to idle
6. Turn off engine
Tip: Warming up engine improves engine life
** Moving vehicle at a car wash or moving vehicle to access another vehicle would be considered a short distance

I always do this when washing the car and have to move it in and out of the garage.

Pelucidor, you don't do it every time you start the car and drive it, do you? Was I really that unclear? 350 Formula the same applies to you. The only post I have read about this happening (though now that I think about it, there might have been two) the flooded car was repeatedly started, moved, turned off; started, moved, turned off; and repeated several times before the car had any issues. Yes, if you repeatedly start the car and turn it off, over and over, you run the risk of flooding it. That's what the above except is referring to(notice the asterisks). But you DON'T need to warm the car up for five minutes every time you want to go somewhere, or every time you park it.

Originally posted by Elara
Pelucidor, you don't do it every time you start the car and drive it, do you?

Umm.. he said this, didn't he?

"I always do this when washing the car and have to move it in and out of the garage."

Originally posted by downshift
Umm.. he said this, didn't he?

"I always do this when washing the car and have to move it in and out of the garage."

Oh good grief. As I assume he doesn't wash the car every time he drives it, he wouldn't be warming the car up every time he drives it or parks it. Which was my point. The 5 minute warm up and cool down that some dealers are telling potential customers the car needs EVERY TIME THEY DRIVE IT is a load of crap.

So is Elara right or the Mazda RX-8 Quick Tips booklet? Hmmm~ Elara, do you check the oil level at every other fill up as well or is that just another urban myth? (just wondering, my Mazda savvy friend seems to be convinced that oil level doesn't need to be checked until the engine oil lamp comes on - :p )

I would go nuts if I have to warm up the car 5 minutes before moving it out of the way to access another car. Anyways, off topic.

Originally posted by Elara
Oh good grief. As I assume he doesn't wash the car every time he drives it, he wouldn't be warming the car up every time he drives it or parks it. Which was my point. The 5 minute warm up and cool down that some dealers are telling potential customers the car needs EVERY TIME THEY DRIVE IT is a load of crap.

Ah.. I see your point now. It's sad that people just don't RTFM. It's even worse when some dealers can't even comprehend the instructions in manual correctly and disseminate false information to the masses. Looks like this car, like the RX's in the past, has been cursed with 'urban myths' due to the ignorance of the non-owners and general auto-enthusiasts :(

Originally posted by downshift
Ah.. I see your point now. It's sad that people just don't RTFM. It's even worse when some dealers can't even comprehend the instructions in manual correctly and disseminate false information to the masses. Looks like this car, like the RX's in the past, has been cursed with 'urban myths' due to the ignorance of the non-owners and general auto-enthusiasts :(

Yeah, that's why I got all hyper about this. Stupid rumors are going to kill this car if we don't squash them asap :(. It's just like everything else, though- people mistrust what they don't understand. I just really hope this doesn't happen with the 8, because I really love this car.

Skyline Maniac, I'm just going to ignore what you wrote because it makes no sense.

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9024

btw: here is the thread discussion engine flooding and what not. Honestly, with all the complex ECU control and all, I think it'd be very difficult to floor the car. Think about it, if they had to warm up 5 minutes before moving the car on short trips, it would take them a month to load all the RX-8 from the docks onto the boats in Japan and US ports.

you still arent making sense

Originally posted by Skyline Maniac
http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9024

btw: here is the thread discussion engine flooding and what not. Honestly, with all the complex ECU control and all, I think it'd be very difficult to floor the car. Think about it, if they had to warm up 5 minutes before moving the car on short trips, it would take them a month to load all the RX-8 from the docks onto the boats in Japan and US ports.

ok, I think you're agreeing with me then(???). I've also shut my car off accidently after starting it up to show it off (forgot about the 5 minute thing) and afterwards, still started fine. It seems to be more of one of those warnings of something that very rarely happens, but COULD happen so they were forced to include it.

Originally posted by Elara
- I have no idea where you got the 5 minute warm up and cool down for the renesis, but that's completely not true. It's just like any other car- start it up and go, stop and turn it off. I don't know who told you that, but they were full of it. It's rumors like that that are going to give this car a bad reputation.

Actually, I read about the 5 minute warm-ups and downs in the RX-8 manual (or a quick guide). I was sitting in the RX-8 waiting for the dealer to photocopy my driver's license when I picked up the manual sitting on the center console. Perhaps the RX-8 warms up pretty quickly. When the weather is cold, my Audi could take a while before the temp guage reads 'normal'. The drives to the local grocer or train station from my house usually leaves the guage still at cold. Perhaps this is a sign that I should be walking instead of driving for these short distances...hmmm.

Originally posted by Elara
Pelucidor, you don't do it every time you start the car and drive it, do you? As Elara surmised I have done this 'short trip 5 minute warmup process' a grand total of 5 times in 2.5 months and 3400 miles. I honestly doubt anyone ever really needs to do this at all, but I tend to follow the manual if I have the time.

Similarly I used to check the oil every two fillups until I saw the oil consumption pattern for my particular car and driving style - about 1 quart every 1200 miles. Now I just check the oil every 1000 miles or so.

The one time I had a hard time turning the engine over (cranked it for about 3-4 seconds), the engine was completely warmed up - I had just driven a spirited 10 miles. That being said, If I'm washing my car, I'll pull it out of the garage and shut it off without the warmup, but after I'm done washing it I always take it for a 5-minute drive on some nearby back roads. I flooded my RX-7 real bad once after pulling it in after a car wash, and it was NOT FUN getting it started again. I'd rather just be safe with the 8, because the plugs look a little harder to get to :).

speculatation or not

after reading all these threads on floods I always end up leaving my car running for long periods of time now just to be safe

I don't post here much anymore after getting shafted twice by Mazda dealerships trying to purchase an initial shipment RX-8. I'm pretty disgruntled at how the release and ultimate design of this car was handled. In hind sight, I'm so glad I didn't succeed in purchasing considering the HP and mileage issues. While maybe not a big deal to some, I felt there wasn't enough grunt to justify the lack of fuel efficiency. Before I get flamed, note that I really like(ed) the RX-8. IMO, exterior styling and practicality of the 4 seats rocked. However, for a $50K (Cdn with taxes) there was not enough "sport" and too many required aftermarket upgrades (body roll and power) to justify it's cost.

Yesterday, I saw a used 350Z for sale with the Track Pack. I decided to take the 350Z *off* my list by giving it a test drive. I really didn't care for the exterior styling, the back is too long and looks like it was stuck in a plunger or something, and the tail lights are a little too long and funky for my tastes. In the flesh though, the Orange paint (which I love starting on the Volvos) with the orange Brembo calipers matched really well. There was also a faint orange tint in the cloth seats. The car is chunky but with the 18" rims and subtle rear spoiler, it looked surprisingly nice from all angles. The interior was even more of a surprise. Seats where much more bolstered and firm than the RX-8 cloth. I also like the adjustments more. I found the RX-8 seat had too much lift at the back for rear passengers feet I assume. The Z's center console was not bad, IMO better than the RX-8's multi texture theme (piano textured circle design really doesn't appeal to me). Probably the neatest feature is the tilting gauge console and steering wheel. The package is so small and makes the rest of the dash feel quite open.

Now the ride. First the Brembo brakes rocked! Even better than the RX-8 which are shocking themselves. The Brembo pedal was very firm and informative (I had an aftermaket AP brake kit on my FD - I love brakes). The motor was *so* flexible. I could easily do 50kph in 5th or cruise 120kph in 6th at 2500 and pass without downshifting. I'm not a torque freak, but it was certainly an eye opener how nice it is. Power in the mid range was very impressive, lots of grunt (and potential - there's a 300 RWHP Z with basic bolt-ons and cams). Honestly, I could see immediatly why the 180 RWHP RX-8 felt so tame when driving the 230 RWHP Z. For so little curb weight difference (150lbs?), that's a lot of difference in power and I'm not even talking about the torque. Suspension was the other surprise, while firm, it wasn't harsh. Body roll was much more controlled than the 8.

Having owned a 12 second FD for many years, I can say the the Z is the first car I've driven since the FD which invokes that sense of excitement. It's a car which requires very little aftermarket performance parts to suit my needs. For those who haven't driven one, go see it in the flesh. They are better looking than in the pics, and when driven hard they are very rewarding. I was once a doubter but now I have to say the Z is on the top of my list. I will most likely get flamed for this review, but note that I was a massive RX-8 fan, I even leased my Protege to bridge the gap from my FD to the RX-8. I've driven both impartially, and both have their advantages. But when it comes to a "sports" car, the Z offers more yet with surprising civility.

good luck with the z

seriously, hope it works out for ya:)

Originally posted by FritzMan
I don't post here much anymore after getting shafted twice by Mazda dealerships trying to purchase an initial shipment RX-8. I'm pretty disgruntled at how the release and ultimate design of this car was handled. In hind sight, I'm so glad I didn't succeed in purchasing considering the HP and mileage issues. While maybe not a big deal to some, I felt there wasn't enough grunt to justify the lack of fuel efficiency. Before I get flamed, note that I really like(ed) the RX-8. IMO, exterior styling and practicality of the 4 seats rocked. However, for a $50K (Cdn with taxes) there was not enough "sport" and too many required aftermarket upgrades (body roll and power) to justify it's cost.

Yesterday, I saw a used 350Z for sale with the Track Pack. I decided to take the 350Z *off* my list by giving it a test drive. I really didn't care for the exterior styling, the back is too long and looks like it was stuck in a plunger or something, and the tail lights are a little too long and funky for my tastes. In the flesh though, the Orange paint (which I love starting on the Volvos) with the orange Brembo calipers matched really well. There was also a faint orange tint in the cloth seats. The car is chunky but with the 18" rims and subtle rear spoiler, it looked surprisingly nice from all angles. The interior was even more of a surprise. Seats where much more bolstered and firm than the RX-8 cloth. I also like the adjustments more. I found the RX-8 seat had too much lift at the back for rear passengers feet I assume. The Z's center console was not bad, IMO better than the RX-8's multi texture theme (piano textured circle design really doesn't appeal to me). Probably the neatest feature is the tilting gauge console and steering wheel. The package is so small and makes the rest of the dash feel quite open.

Now the ride. First the Brembo brakes rocked! Even better than the RX-8 which are shocking themselves. The Brembo pedal was very firm and informative (I had an aftermaket AP brake kit on my FD - I love brakes). The motor was *so* flexible. I could easily do 50kph in 5th or cruise 120kph in 6th at 2500 and pass without downshifting. I'm not a torque freak, but it was certainly an eye opener how nice it is. Power in the mid range was very impressive, lots of grunt (and potential - there's a 300 RWHP Z with basic bolt-ons and cams). Honestly, I could see immediatly why the 180 RWHP RX-8 felt so tame when driving the 230 RWHP Z. For so little curb weight difference (150lbs?), that's a lot of difference in power and I'm not even talking about the torque. Suspension was the other surprise, while firm, it wasn't harsh. Body roll was much more controlled than the 8.

Having owned a 12 second FD for many years, I can say the the Z is the first car I've driven since the FD which invokes that sense of excitement. It's a car which requires very little aftermarket performance parts to suit my needs. For those who haven't driven one, go see it in the flesh. They are better looking than in the pics, and when driven hard they are very rewarding. I was once a doubter but now I have to say the Z is on the top of my list. I will most likely get flamed for this review, but note that I was a massive RX-8 fan, I even leased my Protege to bridge the gap from my FD to the RX-8. I've driven both impartially, and both have their advantages. But when it comes to a "sports" car, the Z offers more yet with surprising civility.

I know my opinion doesn't count for much on this board, and as a Z owner I may seemed biased, but i think thats a great review....almost exact same point of view I have. I know what you mean, the RX-8 is a great car, but the Z just appealed more to me. Welcome to the Z club...on the RX-8 board...hahaha

Originally posted by Elara
Yeah, that's why I got all hyper about this. Stupid rumors are going to kill this car if we don't squash them asap :(. It's just like everything else, though- people mistrust what they don't understand. I just really hope this doesn't happen with the 8, because I really love this car.

Skyline Maniac, I'm just going to ignore what you wrote because it makes no sense.


I think you are missing my point. I get yours... you are saying that you do not have to go out, start the car and WAIT to drive. That is the rumor that I think you want to squash (it is one I would not belive anyhow)

BUT, if a car floods when you go out and move it out of the garage to do some work etc, this is a problem. It might not happen very often, but I have not heard of it happening to ANY of the new piston car. Yes, back with carbs this could happen, but today?

So this is the concern to me, jump in the car, drive to the market (not 5 minutes away) go get something and then can not start the car. I still might buy this car as it seems there are a lot of good things about it, but there are some bad.

of course there is good and bad
its just like every car

Originally posted by zthang
I know my opinion doesn't count for much on this board, and as a Z owner I may seemed biased, but i think thats a great review....almost exact same point of view I have. I know what you mean, the RX-8 is a great car, but the Z just appealed more to me. Welcome to the Z club...on the RX-8 board...hahaha

You know it. RX8Club.com is a great online forum :) . Are there any online forums for the Z and G35 out there? I followed the RX-8 for 18 months...before finally buying a G35...I think much of the decision had to do with getting older (late thirties...) and wanting to enjoy a litttle more comfort. If I had the bucks and lots more garage space, I would have bought both the RX-8 and G35.

Originally posted by 3dobuzz
You know it. RX8Club.com is a great online forum :) . Are there any online forums for the Z and G35 out there? I followed the RX-8 for 18 months...before finally buying a G35...I think much of the decision had to do with getting older (late thirties...) and wanting to enjoy a litttle more comfort. If I had the bucks and lots more garage space, I would have bought both the RX-8 and G35.

Check out g35driver.com, my350z.com, 350zmotoring.com, 350zfrenzy.com, zcar.com theres a ton...

damn
thats a ton

I wish the 8 had sites like that

I like the Z however, It wasn't for me. It was in my field of choices, but the RX-8 was so much sexier. IMHO, I prefer the smooth acceleration of the 8 vs. the torque jerk of the Z.

RX-8 hp is irrelevant. Even with 250hp, it never woud have been able to outrun a 287hp Z that also has a huge tprque advantage...

RX-8's appeal to me comes from it's strengths across a variety of areas:

>Styling -- I loved it the moment I saw it and had to have it. For me, the Z's styling was a HUGE disappointment. 300ZX from early '90s is still a hot car today, but the new Z's droopy tail, and cheap interior really turned me off.
>Innovative design and packaging -- tons of space for a sports car, great interior design
>Quality of materials and detailing -- spend some time with the RX-8 and you can see how much thought went into every portion of the car. Has anyone seen tailights so well trimmed out on any car at any price? I work for PAG NA (Jag, LR, Aston Martin) and I'd have to say no!
>Value -- this car blows away my 2000 M Roadster -- better handling, better quality, better fit and finish at price that's $15k cheaper! BTW, my M Roadter will destroy a Z...

The Z has excellent handling and acceleration and is also a great value -- but wouldn't everyone rather have the same performance in the far more attractive G35 Coupe?

I am a little surprised at how many people post here that don't even own or even want an RX-8. This is an RX-8 forum is it not? No car is perfect for everyone. It is a personal choice.
As for the Z and RX-8 horsepower-wise, ask the guy driving his new Z car that I just smoked going from Carson City to Lake Tahoe. Elevation at start is 5000 ft, at the lake it is 7400 ft and plenty of nice twisties. Approx 20 miles. My 8 wasn't even breathing hard!

You smoked the driver not the car.

Smoked is smoked...

Both very nice cars. Congratulation on your new Z.

Originally posted by Astor
I like the Z however, It wasn't for me. It was in my field of choices, but the RX-8 was so much sexier. IMHO, I prefer the smooth acceleration of the 8 vs. the torque jerk of the Z.

Take a beginners driving course. Torque jerk? It's called power.
Something the RX8 lacks unfortunately. Not a bad lookin car. A little odd, but pretty enough.

Originally posted by zthang
Check out g35driver.com, my350z.com, 350zmotoring.com, 350zfrenzy.com, zcar.com theres a ton...

350zmotoring is probably the best one out there. Just a little help.

ok... I just skipped about 50% of the BS in this thread ... back and forth Z - RX8... whats the big deal?

I have an RX8 and I still love the Z? Is that a crime to like to things? The Z is still a very powerful and respectable car. Sure I used it to compare it before I bought the RX8, however speed was not the only factor. Evo 8 is also a great car. But the RX8 aint all that you guys make it out to be. Believe me there are faster cars and others may think that. Respect is all you guys should be giving to another import enthusiast.

Congrats on the 350Z I am sure you will be satisfied with your decision!

Originally posted by Efini 8
Respect is all you guys should be giving to another import enthusiast.



I agree 100%

I dont understand the whole chevy vs ford thing.

Thats why I love imports

i just read this thread.. and i cant believe how rude and mean people are on this thread... just because he is letting go the rx8 and bought the z....doesnt mean you have to flame the guy..in the 1st and 2nd page i saw replies like..that is ugly.. and you should of got the g35c instead.. and things like that... what does any of that have to do with his new car?...i mean seriously.. this is why i dont post anything on this site.. i love the rx8 and own a 350z...but damn can ya keep the rudeness to yourself...

Im interested in a new car to accompany my 94 Rx-7. The 3 cars I am considering are the s2000, Rx-8 and 350Z. I really feel im being impartial, so here is my perspective. My top two considerations are the rx and the 350.

Interms of looks, the front end of the rx-8 is amazing, the 350Z is boring, bland lacks any distinguishing characteristics. From the back the 350Z looks a bit porky IMHO, but it looks nice. The rx8 looks a bit high, but also nice. From the side on most angles the 350Z is better looking.

From the interior point of view while I'm not offended by the 350Z, im hardly inspired. No question the Rx-8's interior is 100 times better. Although I thought the netted seats were cool on the Z...I LOVE the rx8 seats.

So to sum it up, the rx8 looks better. Keep in mind I think the Z looks nice. I drove a 350Z today and to be quite honest I am amazed at how quiet and comforitable it was. This would be quite a forgiving commuter. Hitting the gas petal from idle I was very impressed how fast it initially took off. But it ran out of breath just as fast. being used to my 7 continuing to pull hard as hell up to 8000 rpm, the 350Z was weak after 4000.

Handling was acceptable, but it would be the last car I would pick to try and win a handling contest. The body roll was very evident as was the fact that the car needs a major diet program.

I have not driven the rx-8 to compare yet, but the advantage I can see with the Z is the torque. It was quite nice.

If I was forced to choose between the two, I would drive the Rx-8 and see which one I like best. When the time comes I will do that, but as it stands with all the problems I am seeing with the rx-8 I'm leaning toward the Z. I hope the gas mileage issue gets resolved and the engine thing is straighten out.

Just again to point out I'm keeping my 94 RX-7, it would rape a Z in any catagory (even in stock form), but for a commuter car It could be fun. I'm hoping I get the -8-, but the Z WAS fun to drive.

I do not know why people are actting so damn hostile on this board. You guys act like the RX8 is a damn ferrari or something. Well hate to break it to you, its a tight car and all, but its not the shit. This board turns me off, I rarely want to visit because of all the negativity and assholes on this board. In fact you really do not make me proud to be an owner if you guys are all haters and shit. Z is an awesome performing car and would beat the RX-8 in many performance oriented competitions, so dont hate, congradulate.

Originally posted by Efini 8
I do not know why people are actting so damn hostile on this board. You guys act like the RX8 is a damn ferrari or something. Well hate to break it to you, its a tight car and all, but its not the shit. This board turns me off, I rarely want to visit because of all the negativity and assholes on this board. In fact you really do not make me proud to be an owner if you guys are all haters and shit. Z is an awesome performing car and would beat the RX-8 in many performance oriented competitions, so dont hate, congradulate.

Amen...

....and congratulations on your 8!!

Let face it people. These are great time to be sport car lover. Come on now. We got the Z back the RX8, STi, RSX typ s, Evo 8 and comeing soon the new Supra and the Mighty Skyline GTR. And these are just the Japanese sport cars. There are alot of choices out there and it all depend on your taste. Being a sport car fanatic since my teenage years, this is a dream come true. I just brought my RX8 in september and I totally happy with it. I would have just be as happy with the Z, Evo etc,..... I'm just glad the SUV thing is over with. Enjoy your sport car. Who know? In a couple of years we could all be driveing the Prius.

Originally posted by zoomzooomp5
Enjoy your sport car. Who know? In a couple of years we could all be driveing the Prius.


Sad part is that if much stricter emmision laws and restrictions go in effect in a few years, that's what we may have to look forward to. Probably not with all of today's technology, but then again it has happened before, so who knows.

Originally posted by Efini 8
In fact you really do not make me proud to be an owner if you guys are all haters...

Dude, very few of us are haters. Most of us are helpful and friendly. Don't let a few negative people ruin it for you. Many of the attackers are not real 8 owners, but trolls trying to mess this up for us. Relax.

Okay...Dont burn me up. Just my two cents on the RX vs. 350z.

My best friend has a gorgeous brickyard burgundy colored Z, I have a Black GT RX-8. We've both driven each other's cars and I have to say that both are awesome machines. I almost bought a z but I have carseats (with kids attached) and that was a big seller in the RX for me. Also..I thought the RX was just more fun overall to drive. Mind you I'm jealous of the extra hp my friend has over me but it's a little give and take. We've gone out to some of the construction streets near where we live and tested side by side to 90mph by a few times....just to try it out, get a feel for the cars etc. (note - Not street racing. This is a closed street with NOTHING nearby. ) In all honesty the difference between the cars for us in a 'street' not 'street racing' type situation left me about 50' behind him most of the time and that was from the Z being faster on the low end of things. He tells me all the time how good my car looks and I have to agree. I do however think the Z is an excellent fun car as well. Besides...If I'm only looking for some brute power I'll go drive my Pantera. Congratulations are in order for anyone who chooses either car. If you don't love what you drive then it's just no fun anyway.

Ahhhhhhhhh~ PANTERA!!!! Pictures pictures!!!! :D

A buddy of mine eventually let me try out his Z, and I was happier with the overall package of the 8 anyway, but what initially turned me off to the Z was that no dealership in town would let me test drive.

the rx-8 actually makes 250hp, but the head engineers miscalculated numbers. it makes 238 right outta of the box, but the 250 hp kicks in after the motor has been broken in after 10-12k miles

Originally posted by BLACKWOLF
the rx-8 actually makes 250hp, but the head engineers miscalculated numbers. it makes 238 right outta of the box, but the 250 hp kicks in after the motor has been broken in after 10-12k miles


Lets see some proff, because people bring this up all the time and it usually ends up being a bunch of BS. FYI all cars get stronger as they continue to break in, it's just the way engines and drivetrains work.

umm...i test drove the Z when it came out and that was what I was going to get. I drove a 300Zx TT into the ground and it was one of the easiest cars to mod out and get good response from but I was very disappointed in the 350Z after driving it again when the RX-8 came out...the 8 definitely by all means out handles the Z and by not much, not MUCH AT ALL is the Z quicker...my wife and I test drove both the Z and 8 the same day same time swapping out and both (even with my love for the Z) decided the RX-8 was much better...this is my first rotary to own I always helped tune all my buddies FD's but never had the chance to own one (rotary) until now and the only thing I am pissed of about is the MPG...that really sux...i knew it was aweful on the RX-7 but after owning the car for over 3 months now i wouldn't give it up to anyone for any price.....JMTC

Well, the RX-8 Type S on my GT4 Prologue certainly seems to have all 250 horses.... Then again the RX-8 on my PS2 seem to have no problem achieving 1:09 or faster on Tsukuba when BM staff can only squeeze out 1:11 at best.

I sell Nissans. Never saw an $8K discount. $500 is max what we drop and still sell what we have right away. Sold few pre-owned - all of them "touring" and over $30K. Perhaps that is a Texas thing... Anyway I drove different Zs many times and I do not know what it is with my rx8 but it feels faster... So all those stories about buying one $8K under sticker and walking over rx8 are just unbelivable to me.
Thanks

Originally posted by Vrimmick
I sell Nissans. Never saw an $8K discount. $500 is max what we drop and still sell what we have right away. Sold few pre-owned - all of them "touring" and over $30K. Perhaps that is a Texas thing... Anyway I drove different Zs many times and I do not know what it is with my rx8 but it feels faster... So all those stories about buying one $8K under sticker and walking over rx8 are just unbelivable to me.
Thanks

I think what they meant earlier is that RX-8's are selling for big discount, not the Z's. Not completely sure if that's what they meant, but i think it is. That's so cool to sell one car and own the other...

Don't feel alone, I had an 8 and now have the Z. I'm not a "hater", I still have a soft spot for the 8 (which is why I still check out this forum, I learned a lot about the car from reading here) but wanted a faster car (was a little hasty when I bought the 8 and considered myself quite lucky to be able to switch).

They're both great cars, just different in their objectives.

THe Z is not faster (well not enough to warrant such a switch for just the power discrepency)....the head snapping torque is fooling you...trust me...

Uh.......the Z is not faster?......ahem....OK.;)

Not trying to be a dick but NOPE!!!...Like I said, not enough to put down the 8...it's a hair faster...i know...I drove both...and ended up with an 8...and i'm not allowed to test drive any more cars at Rollins Nissan in Columbus, GA now...i scared the crap outta the dealer...well ...i had to test it's limits..

Easy guys, we don't want this getting ugly.

It is a well-published fact that the Z is faster in a strait line. The twisties are where the gap closes.

Lets keep this thread civil.

Yeah, can't we be grown up about cars! The Z is a great car. If you don't like it then that is fine but don't spout off about how it sucks, how the RX-8 is better because Edmund's said so, etc...

Can't there be more than one great car? It seems like that is impossible if it is not the RX-8 on this board, the Z on the Z boards, the S2000 on the S200 board. Sheesh. I love most cars forums and most people on them. The Miata forum has been a great help and a lot of fun and I have been a member since 1999. The S2000 forum was great while I had one and is still fun to visit. Since I became interested in the RX-8, this forum has given me so much info, both the good and the bad, which I appreciate since I am pretty sure that I am going to get one. But there are always the negative, closed minded, know-it-alls who have to tarnish these boards with immature, thoughtless, space wasting drivel that makes some people not want to stick around or come back once they have been here for that matter.

So somebody likes the Z better. Big deal. They are entitled to like any car they want better than the Z and if they say so then that is fine. However, saying the RX-8 sucks, you are stupid if you buy one, etc... has no logic or reasoning behind it. So why does this continue? Because some people can't stand the fact that their car is not the best at everything, or another car is faster in a straight line but not in the corners, one pulls more g's.... it could go on and on...

The main point of this forum, like any other forum is to help the owners of these cars. To point out the good and the bad, maybe influence some changes in future versions, to help with little fixes, big upgrades, stereo installs, wings, tires, wheels, etc... I enjoy the forums for these types of things but get tired of seeing page after page of wasted space on whining about which car is "better". Why do we need 100+ posts on the 350Z vs the RX-8? Is there any more to say? I don't think so yet here is this thread, there is a new one in the general RX-8 section. Come on! Get over it.

Sorry, I had to go on a rant like this but after years of seeing all of this nonsense, I guess it just got to me tonight.

Kirk

Originally posted by hondas2k
Yeah, can't we be grown up about cars! The Z is a great car. If you don't like it then that is fine but don't spout off about how it sucks, how the RX-8 is better because Edmund's said so, etc...

Can't there be more than one great car? It seems like that is impossible if it is not the RX-8 on this board, the Z on the Z boards, the S2000 on the S200 board. Sheesh. I love most cars forums and most people on them. The Miata forum has been a great help and a lot of fun and I have been a member since 1999. The S2000 forum was great while I had one and is still fun to visit. Since I became interested in the RX-8, this forum has given me so much info, both the good and the bad, which I appreciate since I am pretty sure that I am going to get one. But there are always the negative, closed minded, know-it-alls who have to tarnish these boards with immature, thoughtless, space wasting drivel that makes some people not want to stick around or come back once they have been here for that matter.

So somebody likes the Z better. Big deal. They are entitled to like any car they want better than the Z and if they say so then that is fine. However, saying the RX-8 sucks, you are stupid if you buy one, etc... has no logic or reasoning behind it. So why does this continue? Because some people can't stand the fact that their car is not the best at everything, or another car is faster in a straight line but not in the corners, one pulls more g's.... it could go on and on...

The main point of this forum, like any other forum is to help the owners of these cars. To point out the good and the bad, maybe influence some changes in future versions, to help with little fixes, big upgrades, stereo installs, wings, tires, wheels, etc... I enjoy the forums for these types of things but get tired of seeing page after page of wasted space on whining about which car is "better". Why do we need 100+ posts on the 350Z vs the RX-8? Is there any more to say? I don't think so yet here is this thread, there is a new one in the general RX-8 section. Come on! Get over it.

Sorry, I had to go on a rant like this but after years of seeing all of this nonsense, I guess it just got to me tonight.

Kirk

Werd. The pity is, the guys who flame like Honda boys won't take the time to read your post. I bet most of the flamers haven't even driven either car, so they probably don't understand why someone might like one car over another. I've been in both cars, and I prefer the RX8. So what if it's slower? Z people will be quick to point out all the bad spots of the RX8. And...? Both cars are disctinct in their "flavor" and some people just prefer one over the other.

Wait'll someone trades an RX8 in for an S2000...

<plug> By the way, my friend has a pair of 350Z/G35 Mine's Downpipes (they replace the cats between the headers and catback). It has the correct bungs and are direct bolt-in. If you have a chip or just want your G/Z to sound smoth like butter, lemme know so I can put you in touch with the guy. He's selling his car for something else. </plug>

EX-RX8 NOW Z RACER.

Congrats on your sexy new ride its obviously the right car for you the rear of the z in my opinion is spoilt by the stupid wiper blade (GET RIDOF IT ) otherwise its a sweet ride.

ENJOY your red ride.

MICHAEL

there both nice rides in there own way...

There are some mad haters on this forum. Both cars have their advantages and disadvantages. Yes, this is an RX-8 forum, but a TRUE automobile enthusiast would appreciate that both are great looking, great performing cars, and sell for prices that an average joe can afford. BTW, how the hell did you get a 350Z Track Model for $8,000 under MSRP? That is a phenomenal deal :)

Just let the man be.

What would you guys say if I pick a Beetle Tubor over the 8?

This Thread is closed.

Originally posted by Lucino
Just let the man be.

What would you guys say if I pick a Beetle Tubor over the 8?

This Thread is closed.

funny you can't close it if you aren't a moderator


I would say its a bad choice on your part

Originally posted by Lucino


This Thread is closed.
Hey, thats my job.

Originally posted by Dugless
I got the 8 over the Z, WRX STi, and the Evo for the same reason, it's not all about speed! The 8 is plenty fast but the breaking and feel of the car is what got me.


lol, the "breaking". freudian slip.

the rx8 is a great car, but please stop defending its performance in relation to a z. anybody remember the best motoring with the rx8. it was beaten by s2000, g35, wrx, and rsx! and the driver was screaming about a lack of power throughout the race.

Originally posted by ml2316
the rx8 is a great car, but please stop defending its performance in relation to a z. anybody remember the best motoring with the rx8. it was beaten by s2000, g35, wrx, and rsx! and the driver was screaming about a lack of power throughout the race.

its all relative. I drove the 350Z and felt it had a lack of power (compared to my 94 Rx-7).

If I was one of those "best motoring" drivers and racing in Japan on a racetrack I'd use my rx-7 or get an s2000 or if I fill like bringing along an extra 500 lbs, the Z.

But this is the real world, driving the car every day. If you like your Z, I am happy for you. In the real world everyone that has reviewed both cars rated the rx-8 as more fun to drive. I drove the 350Z and as one reviewer put it, the 350z is an "inferior car".

Originally posted by rx8racer

I honestly think the RX-8 is missing more than the 9hp claim. This added to the fact that Mazda screwed its most loyal customers by shipping available cars before preorders was alone enough to make me sell it back. [/B]

I agree with you on both these points, I would never pre-order a car from Mazda again, the only thing that kept me from totally freaking out when the dealerships got non-preorder cars before mine was budamans daily calls with info on what was going on with mine. I would guess the horsepower is more like 10% below the 238.

:(

those rims ruined that car......PUT THE RAYS BACK ON!!!!

DAMN THE CHROME!!!

or better yet...ebay has some great deals on SUV's...

The car came with these rims, genius. They will soon become TE37's.

:)

Is that a little rotary accent I see in the front scoop? :)

very nice...

Originally posted by SublimaZe
The car came with these rims, genius. They will soon become TE37's. genius

How did you ever guess?!

EXA4DRIVER

now, if only you could only widen that picture of the black Z to the left to show the WRX, put a black S2000, black RX8, and a black EVO between them. Squish in a red ENZO in the middle and you'll have a nice looking stable

LOL, perhaps add a McLaren F1

Stop it, you are all geniuses.

The Z and the RX-8 are both nice cars.

I just enjoy the Z Roadster. There is something to be said about removing the roof.

I wouldn't trade it for another in it's price range. I was at the auto show today, the Z Roadster was the only car there you had to fight your way to get close to.

There is nothing wrong with being faithful and in love with your car.

Car bashing is something else. It's like High School all over again.:D

I have to agree with Asparapani Congrads on the new car RX8racer. I have to say I was disappointed when I initially bought my RX8 and got by butt handed to me by a Maxima.... people buy the RX8 for different reasons it is not a car for neck breaking racing from point A to point B enjoy your new ride.
D.

this thread is way old.

wow 2004 crazy bump there

Ancient thread revival! w00t!

having test drove both before deciding on the 8. to each his own is probably best point made in this flaming/pissing contest. I just liked the feel and drive of the 8, the 4 seats, and the soundsystem (stock) made me fall in love with it. the Z seemed extremely stiff and rough while driving, the 8 just rolled through turns and acceleration.. it had "THE FEEL" I wanted. noticed it was an old thread but being it was bumped for some reason, figured I would throw in my .02 on the decision behind my choice.

This needs a lock. lmao

The dude never came back, I guess his Z probably blew up and died.

Oh well, lock this thread.

I have to agree with Asparapani Congrads on the new car RX8racer. I have to say I was disappointed when I initially bought my RX8 and got by butt handed to me by a Maxima.... people buy the RX8 for different reasons it is not a car for neck breaking racing from point A to point B enjoy your new ride.
D.

I don't think RX8racer will get you congrats considering he/she hasn't been on this forum since 10-27-2003. :spank:

I have to agree with Asparapani Congrads on the new car RX8racer. I have to say I was disappointed when I initially bought my RX8 and got by butt handed to me by a Maxima.... people buy the RX8 for different reasons it is not a car for neck breaking racing from point A to point B enjoy your new ride.
D.

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!:rofl: :rofl: :yelrotflm :yelrotflm :rofl:

I hate the Z. I could write a book on the many dislikes about the car I have.

In before lock! :lol2:

Me too :)

Not this shit again...

I like the RX-8. But I like the Z also. I would probably have considered another 8 if they had revised the model significantly - but in its current form, it would seem like I was driving the same car........ I needed a change.
Bought a Z roadster. Will take delivery in a couple of weeks. It should be a fun ride for a few of years.
There were other cars that I looked at, but the Z had a decent value proposition... I don't understand why people don't like the Z. It's a perfectly decent car.

I like the RX-8. But I like the Z also. I would probably have considered another 8 if they had revised the model significantly - but in its current form, it would seem like I was driving the same car........ I needed a change.
Bought a Z roadster. Will take delivery in a couple of weeks. It should be a fun ride for a few of years.
There were other cars that I looked at, but the Z had a decent value proposition... I don't understand why people don't like the Z. It's a perfectly decent car.

Nothing wrong with the Z, it just gets constantly compared to the 8 on here and it usually turns into a flame fest.

I like pink things!

Nothing wrong with the Z, it just gets constantly compared to the 8 on here and it usually turns into a flame fest.

:werd:

i like pie served off the hoods of Z cars..

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n59/pseichler/felixpie.jpg

free post before lock

oh lord, not again

wow this is an old thread. Didn't get locked then, will it now?

They get locked when they get so old?

I like the RX-8. But I like the Z also. I would probably have considered another 8 if they had revised the model significantly - but in its current form, it would seem like I was driving the same car........ I needed a change.
Bought a Z roadster. Will take delivery in a couple of weeks. It should be a fun ride for a few of years.
There were other cars that I looked at, but the Z had a decent value proposition... I don't understand why people don't like the Z. It's a perfectly decent car.

Roadster is just a euphemism for "convertible" :)

yoooooo

i like pie served off the hoods of Z cars..


I like steaks cooked on the motor.

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/3489/img1205ai1.jpg

I like steaks cooked on the motor.

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/3489/img1205ai1.jpg

Mmmmmm Manifold method.

Z's make me puke! they remind me of streched VW bugs

easy to understand why you hate a car that can produce these kind of numbers bone stock.... http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/6512/023qf0.th.jpg (http://img152.imageshack.us/my.php?image=023qf0.jpg)..... I have owned an rx8 and hve since moved on to the Z.... Best decision of my automotive life... BTW stock for stock Z beats 8 in the twisties all day (07+ Z's)... Sorry to burst bubbles, rx8 is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay underpowered...Closee thread.

Z's make me puke! they remind me of streched VW bugs

Yeah i am sure people will mistake my car for a VW bug.......................Asshat
http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/7747/dsc00780ui3.th.jpg (http://img356.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00780ui3.jpg)

easy to understand why you hate a car that can produce these kind of numbers bone stock.... http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/6512/023qf0.th.jpg (http://img152.imageshack.us/my.php?image=023qf0.jpg)..... I have owned an rx8 and hve since moved on to the Z.... Best decision of my automotive life... BTW stock for stock Z beats 8 in the twisties all day (07+ Z's)... Sorry to burst bubbles, rx8 is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay underpowered...Closee thread.

Classic Z driver with the classic Z argument... :)

So anyone watching the NBA playoffs?

easy to understand why you hate a car that can produce these kind of numbers bone stock.... http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/6512/023qf0.th.jpg (http://img152.imageshack.us/my.php?image=023qf0.jpg)..... I have owned an rx8 and hve since moved on to the Z.... Best decision of my automotive life... BTW stock for stock Z beats 8 in the twisties all day (07+ Z's)... Sorry to burst bubbles, rx8 is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay underpowered...Closee thread.

hmmm 13 posts and you've taught us all a lesson alrighty, we should all go cry in a corner now that the Z is the bestest car in the world and has dyno sheets to prove it!
man ohhh man, having my bubble burst is so harsh, reminds me of the time I was following some z car club members on Lime Creek road here in Austin (very twisty road, look it up if you know how) and when we got to the end of it the guy I was following in a 350z was apologizing for slowing me down :lol:

your post cracks me up, next time my self esteem takes a hit I'll have to refer to this thread :lol:

Yeah i am sure people will mistake my car for a VW bug.......................Asshat
http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/7747/dsc00780ui3.th.jpg (http://img356.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00780ui3.jpg)
OT: I like the Z, but i do have a few co workers (female) who thought my friends z was a streached out VW BUg.

Back to the topic: Hello Z

So... how bout them ASU cheerleaders?! :eyetwitch

anywho, I don't like the Z much, mostly cosmetics, and the hp doesn't match up to the feel and fun that you leave behind in your 8.......however, the GTR on the other hand, although some of it's looks are like the Z, the sheer performance is a omgwtfbbq I will take it

considering i loved my rx8 when i had it, I feel i have a much less biased opinion then either a Z owner or a 8 owner. The rx8 has some great things about it but seriously the Z is a far superior car, the new version of the VQ35HR engine is very power out of the box. Having driven both cars at VIR and Poconos, my first time in the Z beat my best time in the 8. Also, on the strip, I ran a 13.4@105 with the Z and best time with the 8 was an unimpressive 14.7 :icon_no2: ..... I love the 8 but over the years people have realized they are not what they thought they were when they came out (a decent replacement for the rx7). The Z has been improved alot in the 07/08 years. This is not the same car that you all have been "stuck behind on the twisties".... BS. The only thing the 8 (anymore) had over the Z was backseats and interior styling.... Sorry if those were the things I was interested in I would have bought a BMW 3 series... Make sure you take note that the dyno plot I posted was bone STOCK.... The greddy kitted 8's only make 20 ish HP more.... When the exhaust goes on and gets tuned up I will have a NA Daily driver Z with 0 issues. end rant/:rant: Any local 8 owners want to experience the darkside PM me and we can meet somewhere and hit some twisties.

anywho, I don't like the Z much, mostly cosmetics, and the hp doesn't match up to the feel and fun that you leave behind in your 8.......however, the GTR on the other hand, although some of it's looks are like the Z, the sheer performance is a omgwtfbbq I will take it

who wouldnt want a GT-R... It out performs cars 3-4 times its MSRP. Keep your ear to theground for the V spec.... I might fndmyself back in a RX in the future if mazda goes through with the go kart like RX7 they are planning on building.

my friend's GF has a white 350Z base model 08

I drove it once, and there are alot of stuff I like, like full throttling and seeing the speedo climb (back to analog speedo again) and the insane torque

however, I hate the feel, it sucks,

I understand your argument dude, however, we are a different kind of people than you, you want sheer performance, you should have never bought the rx8 in the first place

I am one of those people who are now mature to the point that we value more than sheer performance from a car

considering i loved my rx8 when i had it, I feel i have a much less biased opinion then either a Z owner or a 8 owner. The rx8 has some great things about it but seriously the Z is a far superior car, the new version of the VQ35HR engine is very power out of the box. Having driven both cars at VIR and Poconos, my first time in the Z beat my best time in the 8. Also, on the strip, I ran a 13.4@105 with the Z and best time with the 8 was an unimpressive 14.7 :icon_no2: ..... I love the 8 but over the years people have realized they are not what they thought they were when they came out (a decent replacement for the rx7). The Z has been improved alot in the 07/08 years. This is not the same car that you all have been "stuck behind on the twisties".... BS. The only thing the 8 (anymore) had over the Z was backseats and interior styling.... Sorry if those were the things I was interested in I would have bought a BMW 3 series... Make sure you take note that the dyno plot I posted was bone STOCK.... The greddy kitted 8's only make 20 ish HP more.... When the exhaust goes on and gets tuned up I will have a NA Daily driver Z with 0 issues. end rant/:rant: Any local 8 owners want to experience the darkside PM me and we can meet somewhere and hit some twisties.

dude, don't, any local 8 owners around you will probably make you wreck your Z

don't do it

Classic Z driver with the classic Z argument... :)

typical response from rx8, civic, GTi, DSM eclipse ect owner. 100+ hp at the wheels more, similar handling characteristics= Better car (performance wise)... Dont get butt hurt over it... Do some research on the new Z.

what do you expect??? 2 door+ 2seater+ 3.5liter= more power than a 4door+ 4seater+ 1.3 liter....

^ I think we all know it's capabilities cus afterall, we are a car enthusiast forum :)

like I said, this argument can go on forever, but in the end, I'd say it caters to a different kind of people than the RX8, you did the right thing on going with a Z, cus seeing your attitude, I highly doubt you would e remotely happy in the 8

just don't die doing something stupid like so many other Z and G35 drivers

dude, don't, any local 8 owners around you will probably make you wreck your Z

don't do it

Yeah because the 8 handles sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much better then the Z. Watch professional drivers handle the cars and they performance very similar in the twisties (03-06 Z), now go look up some vids of the nismo or 07/08 Z driven by professional drivers and you will see that the 8 is NOOOOOOO match for the Z anymore on any playing field... BTW I can out drive the standard 8 driver to begin with due to the fact that I actually track my car instead of bench racing... I ll meet you anywhere in NJ or PA, you pick the track/road/whatever and we will see how quickly I crash my car.... BWAHAHAHA. Good one. RX8 handling is more responsive but not so much more that I cant get similar results out of the Z and then the Z just owns the 8 coming out of the apex... Put up or shut up.

I'm in CA -_-

I'm merely judging by your highschool attitude

you will probably wreck it with or without our help

make sure you get insurance yo!

considering i loved my rx8 when i had it, I feel i have a much less biased opinion then either a Z owner or a 8 owner. The rx8 has some great things about it but seriously the Z is a far superior car, the new version of the VQ35HR engine is very power out of the box. Having driven both cars at VIR and Poconos, my first time in the Z beat my best time in the 8. Also, on the strip, I ran a 13.4@105 with the Z and best time with the 8 was an unimpressive 14.7 :icon_no2: ..... I love the 8 but over the years people have realized they are not what they thought they were when they came out (a decent replacement for the rx7). The Z has been improved alot in the 07/08 years. This is not the same car that you all have been "stuck behind on the twisties".... BS. The only thing the 8 (anymore) had over the Z was backseats and interior styling.... Sorry if those were the things I was interested in I would have bought a BMW 3 series... Make sure you take note that the dyno plot I posted was bone STOCK.... The greddy kitted 8's only make 20 ish HP more.... When the exhaust goes on and gets tuned up I will have a NA Daily driver Z with 0 issues. end rant/:rant: Any local 8 owners want to experience the darkside PM me and we can meet somewhere and hit some twisties.

My friend got a Z shortly before I got my 8 and we've driven both each others cars and followed each other on several road trips, playing around with are cars in various circumstances. There is not that much difference performance-wise in real world driving between these two cars for the HUGE difference in power and torque you get between the two cars. I have respect for either car but and we know the strengths and weaknesses of both cars. I don't know your driving experience (sounds very limited based on your posts) but I'm willing to bet many 8 drivers would be well beyond your ass on the "twisties" based on driving skill alone regardless of the power difference.

Don't know why your on an 8 forum trying to sell us a Z but at least it's sort of entertaining and fits in perfectly with this joke-of-a-thread.

typical response from rx8, civic, GTi, DSM eclipse ect owner. 100+ hp at the wheels more, similar handling characteristics= Better car (performance wise)... Dont get butt hurt over it... Do some research on the new Z.

You can do better than that. Spit some more shit out so we can finally get this locked... :)

BTW, you got the DSM part right...

^ actually, he came in here to make himself feel better :)

turns out he got pissed

^ I think we all know it's capabilities cus afterall, we are a car enthusiast forum :)

like I said, this argument can go on forever, but in the end, I'd say it caters to a different kind of people than the RX8, you did the right thing on going with a Z, cus seeing your attitude, I highly doubt you would e remotely happy in the 8

just don't die doing something stupid like so many other Z and G35 drivers

No you are an RX8/Rotary enthusiast forum...I post a dyno sheet of my car and get flamed (as expected). Same would happen if I dropped my Z for a Vette z06 and posted my dyno slip on my350z.com. I was just sharing dyno proven numbers of a car that gets compared frequently with the 8 with my old community and I wasnt received to well.

lol, no worries I have seen them before

you didn't get flamed for the p #s, you got flamed for being a prick

came in here to post actual, factual numbers and a mostly none biased opinion. i didnt get mad, I was just responding to the flamers.....:spank:

No you are an RX8/Rotary enthusiast forum...I post a dyno sheet of my car and get flamed (as expected). Same would happen if I dropped my Z for a Vette z06 and posted my dyno slip on my350z.com. I was just sharing dyno proven numbers of a car that gets compared frequently with the 8 with my old community and I wasnt received to well.

WTF? lol. Reread your exact post in which you included your dyno and you will see almost every word of yours is a complete flame regardless of the dyno number attatchment.

lol, no worries I have seen them before

you didn't get flamed for the p #s, you got flamed for being a prick

i am a prick for defending myself... re- read the last 2 pages and please show me where I was a prick and I will gladly post an apology... *waiting*

people just get over it!! if our cars didnt come 4 door 4seater, only 2 door 2 seater, the 8 would kick everyones asss, but it didnt, so in that sense we are all unique, just be glad our cars can keep up most of the time..

this thread is so weak. ive seen more productive arguments over chunky or creamy peanut butter

cR@zY e1GhT, this thread is a known joke to begin with (I can't remember how old it is). Start a new one to seriously discuss your dyno numbers, your experiences with the 8 and now the Z and you will get a better response.

I can't multi-quote, or quote worth a shit for that matter

will someone do it for me?

crazy eight, if you didn't mean it, then its all good

however, I must say you did really come out as a prick high schooler

and I can count almost to 50 the number of 350Z when I was in highschool in our parking lot.

this thread is so weak. ive seen more productive arguments over chunky or creamy peanut butter

Truth. I guess I ll go crash my car since its soooo bad and I am in high school. Thats appartently sterotypes everyone with a Z... *Goes off to treat acne and double check insurance policy*

I know! just do it dude, crash it, get the GT-R!!!

jk jk, well laters

now back to bashing 350z

where were we?

No matter how many times you show people comparasin of the two vehicles beside one another, being Car and Driver, Automotive weekly, Top Gear, the RX-8 always comes out on top. But some people including my very own mother still perfer the Z over the 8. I do believe the one great advantage of the Z over the 8 is if you like to Rice it up or tune it up, you have a lot more options to go with. Although its a car more people seem to have, it can be changed more to make it your own. Yeah, sounds messed up but its true! Aftermarket parts galore in comparasin.

your mom likes the Z?

I envy you, my mom hates anything with a nissan badge on it

partly due to the fact that she crashed her 280Z when she was still young

and then drove an FC after

Taj, pics of said mother or shens.

wow... funny thread. and to taj, your mom drove the FC? that is soo cool.

1. I cant help it that alot of parent buy their brat kids expensive cars.
2. I rsponded to the asshat that said the Z looks like a VW bug.
3. I remember when I was an avid reader of these forums back in 06 and their were always Z v 8 threads. I saw a recently bumped thread and read idiocy. Responded not with the stndard my car is better then yours, I actually took the time to post the improvemnts nissan made via the stock dyno sheet.
4. Making a new thread would only yield more of the same responses and would be totally unnecessary.
5. For the record the rx8 was my second favorite car, i have had a turbo gsr integra, a rustang and a turbo'ed mazda 3. I loved the 8 but once I drove the Z with the new engine and improved handling I had to make the change....Not to mention the rotary is a very high maint. engine, I had lots of problems in avery short period of time.
6. Hopefully mazda makes the new rx7 and we can all be friends again.

No matter how many times you show people comparasin of the two vehicles beside one another, being Car and Driver, Automotive weekly, Top Gear, the RX-8 always comes out on top. But some people including my very own mother still perfer the Z over the 8. I do believe the one great advantage of the Z over the 8 is if you like to Rice it up or tune it up, you have a lot more options to go with. Although its a car more people seem to have, it can be changed more to make it your own. Yeah, sounds messed up but its true! Aftermarket parts galore in comparasin.

The comparisons were true prior to the release of the new engine that powers the Z... BTW there are little to no mods available to the 07/08 Z owners.....Not even an FI option as of now.... Sad but true.

1. I cant help it that alot of parent buy their brat kids expensive cars.
2. I rsponded to the asshat that said the Z looks like a VW bug.
3. I remember when I was an avid reader of these forums back in 06 and their were always Z v 8 threads. I saw a recently bumped thread and read idiocy. Responded not with the stndard my car is better then yours, I actually took the time to post the improvemnts nissan made via the stock dyno sheet.
4. Making a new thread would only yield more of the same responses and would be totally unnecessary.
5. For the record the rx8 was my second favorite car, i have had a turbo gsr integra, a rustang and a turbo'ed mazda 3. I loved the 8 but once I drove the Z with the new engine and improved handling I had to make the change....Not to mention the rotary is a very high maint. engine, I had lots of problems in avery short period of time.
6. Hopefully mazda makes the new rx7 and we can all be friends again.


Why are you even wasting your time on this forum? Nobody cares about what you have to say. We're all just gonna flame you till the thread gets closed and still lolerwrfbbq at you when it is. Why don't you save yourself the humility and just leave.:)

if mazda does make a new rx7

don't buy it

it will just be another rx8 over again, lol no I'm not joking

Dshiz, I highly doubt posting pics of my mom on the Interw3bz is a good thing
besides, I'd have to find the polaroid picture of her with her 7 back then, because hey, it was just like 500000000000 years ago no?

and no, it wasn't really cool, cus now she is all over me in driving a sports car, cus she "used to drive them" and now doesn't want her kids doing the same

talk about ironic

btw, 350Z needs better f'ing driver position, when I was driving my friend's Z, I got back pains :( maybe cus it was 2 seater)

aside from that, convertible Z should all go to hell, they are a shame to the Z community altogether

I sense a 2009 RX8 vs 2009 350Z comparison real soon

real........soon

Z's are cheap pieces of jdm plastic yo.

^ uhhh.......so is our rx8

duhhh they use like the same f'ing material

ours is just darker, so it easens out the shittyness somewhat

if you really want taste, class, and performance

do what my Friend Leon did

get a 335I, it rapes both the Z AND the RX8

german engineering ftmfw

easy to understand why you hate a car that can produce these kind of numbers bone stock.... http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/6512/023qf0.th.jpg (http://img152.imageshack.us/my.php?image=023qf0.jpg)......

I call BS on this dyno - its jacked up by about 30hp - still impressive all the same .

id rather get teh 135i, that is a true enthusiasts car. In fact I was thinking about trading in for it after a year or so.

135I is nothing compared to the335I, :D wayy classier and more usable too!!

I however, do not like bmws, cus Leon has one, so he screwed me over

I'm gonna hafta get a mercedes

I wonder how many As I have to get the next semester......

If i had the choice, C63 AMG all day baby. I'd be unstoppable.

I'd go with the SLK55AMG or the SL65 AMG

just cause........just cause :)

I want a sports car

not some german evo

considering i loved my rx8 when i had it, I feel i have a much less biased opinion then either a Z owner or a 8 owner. The rx8 has some great things about it but seriously the Z is a far superior car, the new version of the VQ35HR engine is very power out of the box. Having driven both cars at VIR and Poconos, my first time in the Z beat my best time in the 8. Also, on the strip, I ran a 13.4@105 with the Z and best time with the 8 was an unimpressive 14.7 :icon_no2: ..... I love the 8 but over the years people have realized they are not what they thought they were when they came out (a decent replacement for the rx7). The Z has been improved alot in the 07/08 years. This is not the same car that you all have been "stuck behind on the twisties".... BS. The only thing the 8 (anymore) had over the Z was backseats and interior styling.... Sorry if those were the things I was interested in I would have bought a BMW 3 series... Make sure you take note that the dyno plot I posted was bone STOCK.... The greddy kitted 8's only make 20 ish HP more.... When the exhaust goes on and gets tuned up I will have a NA Daily driver Z with 0 issues. end rant/:rant: Any local 8 owners want to experience the darkside PM me and we can meet somewhere and hit some twisties.

you don't sound like a former 8 owner but more like a z fanboi here to troll, even the dumbest person on this forum knows the Greddy is capable of adding more than just 20hp-ish, shit man, nitrous alone could problably add more than that. (not to mention all the kits that are out now, Greddy is old nwes now)
If you knew anything about the 8 you'd know it was NEVER intended to replace the 7, Mazda stated that during it's introduction with the Evolv concept and have reiterated it about a million times since, even a moron can see the 8 was introduced to see if they could sell a rotary here in the US and abroad again, and they showed that overwhelmingly so now we may see another rotary powered coupe (still not an Rx-7, I'm sure it will be called something else) some day thanks to the 8 sucking so bad right? :lol:

I like the Z myself, hate the gigantosaurus ugly door handles but I think they're okay cars even if they weigh about as much as a house and are pretty boring to look at. I'm glad you nutted yourself over one man, have fun with it, go find some more boy racers you can play with at stop lights or whatever it is you bought it for, might want to consider not wasting your time on here anymore as your post's are pretty embarassing and uninformed. :uhh:

you don't sound like a former 8 owner but more like a z fanboi here to troll, even the dumbest person on this forum knows the Greddy is capable of adding more than just 20hp-ish, shit man, nitrous alone could problably add more than that. (not to mention all the kits that are out now, Greddy is old nwes now)
If you knew anything about the 8 you'd know it was NEVER intended to replace the 7, Mazda stated that during it's introduction with the Evolv concept and have reiterated it about a million times since, even a moron can see the 8 was introduced to see if they could sell a rotary here in the US and abroad again, and they showed that overwhelmingly so now we may see another rotary powered coupe (still not an Rx-7, I'm sure it will be called something else) some day thanks to the 8 sucking so bad right? :lol:

I like the Z myself, hate the gigantosaurus ugly door handles but I think they're okay cars even if they weigh about as much as a house and are pretty boring to look at. I'm glad you nutted yourself over one man, have fun with it, go find some more boy racers you can play with at stop lights or whatever it is you bought it for, might want to consider not wasting your time on here anymore as your post's are pretty embarassing and uninformed. :uhh:

OFT! OFT!

Win.

/thread

canary

you just killed it for all of us

thanks alot bastard!

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii10/awedney/misc/biglebowski24.jpg?t=1210011080

I don't think you owned a RX-8 or a Z. I don't think you even know how to drive a RWD car. Several thing in your post leads me to believe you never owned either cars. The biggest red flag that goes up.... The Z interior is just as good as the 8..... yeah right... the 07/08 with the new interior is still inferior to the 8. Nissan uses inferior materials for all there cars and vehicles with the exception of the GT-R.

The interior in the Z is the same crap they use in my Nissan Titan, CHEAP PLASTIC!
F-in Goshen.. ruining Nissan!:icon_no2:

^ uhm, r u f'ing with me?

http://z.about.com/d/cars/1/0/R/n/07_nismo350z_interior.jpg
http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-2005/2005-Mazda-RX-8-SHINKA-Special-Edition-Interior-1024x768.jpg

^ uhm, r u f'ing with me?

http://z.about.com/d/cars/1/0/R/n/07_nismo350z_interior.jpg
http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-2005/2005-Mazda-RX-8-SHINKA-Special-Edition-Interior-1024x768.jpg

Trust me , the RX-8 uses plastics as well, but there better plastic than the Z. Trust me I am at the dealership all the time when I bring in my Titan , i sit in the Z cars to pass the time, even test drove one for shits annd giggles and left uninspired. I did a review on this board about the Z a few months ago. The same plastic they use in the Titan they use in the Z. And that shouldn't be.... my 94 TTZ never had the same interior material that the Pathfinder or the Sentra or the Maxima had in them. Top of the line car used top of the line materials. Even if the materials were plastic, vinyl, suede , wood or leather.

Not todays 350Z, it uses the same material as the maxima, altima,titan, pathfinder, xterra, sentra,armada, and even the lowly versa. Pathetic....

I sit in my moms mazda 6 , and her interior is nice, but its not like the 8, i sit in the 3 and the interior is not like the 8, the only car that comes close is the miata, or mx-5. At least with Mazda ,the interior goes with the level of car you buy from least expensive to expensive.

seriously?

I thought they were the same

oh well, learned something new

the only thing i hate about the Z interior is the seats, they are really artificial, and shitty, stiff and very uncomfortable, especially after a hard drive, you're just hanging on

Yea Z interior quality sucks dick for free. No offense to your Titan :). The RX-8 interior may be made with plastic but like daily driver said, its def. not the same plastic used in the Z. Trust me too, my neighbor has an 03' Z and its the biggest POS in all aspects.

^ ouch! that gotta hurt

Yea Z interior quality sucks dick for free. No offense to your Titan :). The RX-8 interior may be made with plastic but like daily driver said, its def. not the same plastic used in the Z. Trust me too, my neighbor has an 03' Z and its the biggest POS in all aspects.


No offense taken...The Titan Interior sucks balls man! Thats the only thing I hate about my Titan,the interior its cheap, noisy and scratches very easily. I blame Goshen for using cost cutting and using inferior materials!

I don't see why its so hard for people here to appreciate any other car in the same price range. The Z is a great car, and if it had 4 seats, I would have taken it over the 8 anyday of the week. For everyday driving, I'd say the Z is better. Not everyone wants to "take their car to the twisties". Most people just drive the car in the straight line and want to go fast. They both have their advantages, and disadvantages. This interior comparison is stupid also, as neither are that nice. Unmodded, I don't care for the exterior of either, but I'd give that advantage to the Z also. Both cars need kits to look nice. Yes the Z looks like hulk smashed a VW Beetle, but the 8 also looks like a hammer head shark stock. I'm really not trying to dis either car, but I'm just really sick of people dissing other cars so bad.

Nissan has never been know for it's use of interior materials, textures, etc. The Z obviously had to cut some expense somewhere to keep good on it's price. You still get hella car for what you pay. Just looking at the 2 pics shows you how Mazda did a better job of selecting textures, adding more than one texture/plastic type, and then breaking up the acres of plastic by added the piano black pieces and the arrangement of the buttons. The darker colored plastics also do wonders for looking more expensive. Notice the different colored door panel inserts, also. They immediately make the interior look more expensive just by themselves. Look at the detailing of the gauges. The small subtle chrome rings do wonders for the 8 interior whereas on the Z the painted silver plastic is the same color as all the other interior accents. Look at the differences in the center of the steering wheel too.

yea but yu have a corvette

who the hell cares

seriously?

I thought they were the same

oh well, learned something new

the only thing i hate about the Z interior is the seats, they are really artificial, and shitty, stiff and very uncomfortable, especially after a hard drive, you're just hanging on

The Titan uses the same fabric too, maybe a tad tuffer, since it is a truck. My buddy has a E55 AMG he went from a C320, even in Mercedes , you buy the entry level Benz, the interior is way cheaper than the more expensive models. His wifes SL55 AMG has more of a luxurious interior than his E55.

Thats the way it should be, not all the cars in the line up use the same materials.Nonsense!

moostafa, we dont listen to you anymore, you have an evo now

go, shew, go hang out with ike

yea but yu have a corvette

who the hell cares

The Vette has a cheap ass interior in it too. Its still better than a bargin basemant aveo.

moostafa, we dont listen to you anymore, you have an evo now

go, shew, go hang out with ike

I've been a member here way longer than you, and will still post freely. Still love the 8, and am not hating on it or any rotary. So no, I'm not "shewing" anywhere.

shoooo, shoooo

:D

Yes the Z looks like hulk smashed a VW Beetle, but the 8 also looks like a hammer head shark stock.


Hammerhead Shark > smashed up VW Beetle


/thread....again.

the rx8 stock looks like a girly smily car thinging

that was my though

the Z stock looks like a wtf Fat bitch with a very very fat ass

and I dont like fat bitches

:uzi: Maturity

:icon_no2:

and I dont like fat bitches

Lol, at least we agree on something.

I don't see why its so hard for people here to appreciate any other car in the same price range. The Z is a great car, and if it had 4 seats, I would have taken it over the 8 anyday of the week. For everyday driving, I'd say the Z is better. Not everyone wants to "take their car to the twisties". Most people just drive the car in the straight line and want to go fast. They both have their advantages, and disadvantages. This interior comparison is stupid also, as neither are that nice. Unmodded, I don't care for the exterior of either, but I'd give that advantage to the Z also. Both cars need kits to look nice. Yes the Z looks like hulk smashed a VW Beetle, but the 8 also looks like a hammer head shark stock. I'm really not trying to dis either car, but I'm just really sick of people dissing other cars so bad.

I never said i don't appreciate the Z , i don't like the Z interior, and you have to realize, your talking to aguy who came from a 94 TTZ were Nissan of old used quality suede and leather and vinyl appointments through out the whole car.

Going from that to a 350Z is like being kicked in the nuts repeatedly!

As far as driving style, I love going fast on strait aways, my stage IV TT Z was built for that purpouse. But I like going fast in the corners more. And lets be realistic... how fast can you really go strait on a public road before sooner or later johnny law gets you then locks you up.

And news flash, our cars aren't the only cars with so-so interiors, look at a Porsche 911 twin turbo, there interiors are a joke, on the same level if not worse than the Z and the RX-8. Lamborghini's interior looks dated from the 90's. Ferraris are so-so.... i'll put it to you like this... if your not buying a Rolls Royce, Maybach or some upper echelon Mercedes, the interior will always be marginal.

2007 911 Twin turbo interior
http://www.exoticcars.ws/cars/porsche-911-turbo-interior.jpg

I don't know about you , but for the price of the car that interior is not attractive at all. But hey its a Porsche!That has to count for something... right?!:eyetwitch

Civil War Has Broken Out.. Ease Yourselves Or Face Eternal Damnationnnn

edit: ugh.. i typed that in all CAPS but the forum owned me :(

I sense a 2009 RX8 vs 2009 350Z comparison real soon

real........soon

prob not considering the 350z will then be known as the 370z. 350 hp 3000 lbs. Should be a decent car.. I will most likely be upgrading when it comes out, unless the RX 7 they have been talking about steals my attention.

I call BS on this dyno - its jacked up by about 30hp - still impressive all the same .

false, this dyno was used on my car and many others that same day (dyno day @MRC in NJ) and there were other 07 Z's there with similar numbers. Call BS all you want but they are legit... I was suprised by the numbers as were the pissed off 03-06 owners. :wiggle:

false, this dyno was used on my car and many others that same day (dyno day @MRC in NJ) and there were other 07 Z's there with similar numbers. Call BS all you want but they are legit... I was suprised by the numbers as were the pissed off 03-06 owners. :wiggle:

06' 350Z are the slowest yet weigh the heaviest. 03' -'05 should be the fastest out of all the 350Z's, 07/08 i heard are hit and miss out of the bunch.

you don't sound like a former 8 owner but more like a z fanboi here to troll, even the dumbest person on this forum knows the Greddy is capable of adding more than just 20hp-ish, shit man, nitrous alone could problably add more than that. (not to mention all the kits that are out now, Greddy is old nwes now)
If you knew anything about the 8 you'd know it was NEVER intended to replace the 7, Mazda stated that during it's introduction with the Evolv concept and have reiterated it about a million times since, even a moron can see the 8 was introduced to see if they could sell a rotary here in the US and abroad again, and they showed that overwhelmingly so now we may see another rotary powered coupe (still not an Rx-7, I'm sure it will be called something else) some day thanks to the 8 sucking so bad right? :lol:

I like the Z myself, hate the gigantosaurus ugly door handles but I think they're okay cars even if they weigh about as much as a house and are pretty boring to look at. I'm glad you nutted yourself over one man, have fun with it, go find some more boy racers you can play with at stop lights or whatever it is you bought it for, might want to consider not wasting your time on here anymore as your post's are pretty embarassing and uninformed. :uhh:

Well actually you are wrong.... I have owned the 8 and now own a Z... Purchased my 8 in St louis @ Bommorito Mazda where my uncle works... Had it for almost a year and a half, had issues with it constantly (flooding, ect) and had to let it go once I drove the Z. I havent bothered keeping up with the new FI mods that have been coming out since I no longer own the car, I only came back to these forums because I got an email from rx8club so I figured I would check out the rotary scene.... I based my 20 hp ish number on the dyno sheets listed in the FI dyno thread on this website..... Anyway, you are comparing bone stock numbers to boosted 8 numbers sooooooo..... yeah. Anyway now that I have justified myself to the forum police I will continue to extinguish the flamers........ BTW poster below here.... I never ever ever claimed that the Z had a nicer interior... Not to crazy about the interior but then again I did buy a sports car..... Lotus owners dont complain to much about their crappy interiors because they plain dont give a sh1t...but let me guess the lotus is boring and plain and you own those in the twisties as well.....

Well actually you are wrong.... I have owned the 8 and now own a Z... Purchased my 8 in St louis @ Bommorito Mazda where my uncle works... Had it for almost a year and a half, had issues with it constantly (flooding, ect) and had to let it go once I drove the Z. I havent bothered keeping up with the new FI mods that have been coming out since I no longer own the car, I only came back to these forums because I got an email from rx8club so I figured I would check out the rotary scene.... I based my 20 hp ish number on the dyno sheets listed in the FI dyno thread on this website..... Anyway, you are comparing bone stock numbers to boosted 8 numbers sooooooo..... yeah. Anyway now that I have justified myself to the forum police I will continue to extinguish the flamers........ BTW poster below here.... I never ever ever claimed that the Z had a nicer interior... Not to crazy about the interior but then again I did buy a sports car..... Lotus owners dont complain to much about their crappy interiors because they plain dont give a sh1t...but let me guess the lotus is boring and plain and you own those in the twisties as well.....

Thats not true about Lotus owners, i met with a few at the last ALMS race here in St. pete Fl and i asked a few about there likes and dislikes, and you would be surprised that many do not like the interior, or there lack of. Some complained about the interior size of the car, but ones who complained shouldn't have never got a Elise to begin with... to be nice, they were rather porkish and on the hefty side. And no a 8 will not take a elise on the twisties, for that matter more than half the cars on this planet could not take a Elise on the twisties.

Oh and your 8 flooding isn't the cars fault, that is your fault. Never turn on and off a rotary in a short period of time, one of the quirks of owning a rotary. Some cars have quirks some, don't...

06' 350Z are the slowest yet weigh the heaviest. 03' -'05 should be the fastest out of all the 350Z's, 07/08 i heard are hit and miss out of the bunch.
wrong wrong wrong.... 03-05 had oil consumption problems and were hit and miss, 06's are generally thought to be a stronger engine and have more top end power but sacrifice torque. 07/08's have the strongest engine to date with beefier internals and a higher redline and produce more power throughout the entire powerband.... I would have agreed with you prior to 07 that Z's were less then impressive....Nissan improved the Z...Mazda has left the RX8 the same...

Misinformation Police... You have the right to not post, anything you post most likely is 2nd hand information that you heard from someone driving a crx, you have the right to be well informed please proceed to my350z.com and read up on the new HR engine.....

prob not considering the 350z will then be known as the 370z. 350 hp 3000 lbs. Should be a decent car.. I will most likely be upgrading when it comes out, unless the RX 7 they have been talking about steals my attention.

I curious how this car will turn out. I gotta hand it to Nissan for taking on the task of making the Z lighter in a automotive world that constantly just adds more power to compensate for the extra weight. In this case, Nissan is adding more power and taking out more weight. This should dramatically change the handling characteristics of it as well and of course improve braking. I hope they keep the price reasonable.

Thats not true about Lotus owners, i met with a few at the last ALMS race here in St. pete Fl and i asked a few about there likes and dislikes, and you would be surprised that many do not like the interior, or there lack of. Some complained about the interior size of the car, but ones who complained shouldn't have never got a Elise to begin with... to be nice, they were rather porkish and on the hefty side. And no a 8 will not take a elise on the twisties, for that matter more than half the cars on this planet could not take a Elise on the twisties.

Oh and your 8 flooding isn't the cars fault, that is your fault. Never turn on and off a rotary in a short period of time, one of the quirks of owning a rotary. Some cars have quirks some, don't...

Notice I said "ect" meaning there were other issues... Flooding just stuck out in my mind since it happened more frequently then any other issues during my ownership period.