As some of you may know, I have just started participating in autocross, and it's a blast, one thing I do not like is the fact that the loaner helmets are all sweaty and nasty. I am soon about to purchase one, I know nothing about what makes a good helmet or a bad one.
I just want a helemt under $150-$200 that is comfy as works well
Any suggestions?

I've looked in to this one

Force One M2005 Helmet
http://www.saferacer.com/foonem2he.html

but don't know if its worth it.

If it's just for autocross, I'd go with an open face helmet...makes it easier to see those pesky cones and is cooler when it's warm outside. The other thing to consider is fit, which is more important than brand allegiance, price, or any other factor. If it doesn't fit right it can't do its job and, also, fit is directly responsible for comfort...if your head hurts, it's hard to concentrate on driving!

For track use, I have a higher $$ Bell full face, but for autocross, I picked up one of these on sale for about $50...full Snell certification (M2005) makes it just as safe, for our use, as any higher $$ helmet.

http://www.hjchelmets.com/cs5.htm

If it's just for autocross, I'd go with an open face helmet...makes it easier to see those pesky cones and is cooler when it's warm outside. The other thing to consider is fit, which is more important than brand allegiance, price, or any other factor. If it doesn't fit right it can't do its job and, also, fit is directly responsible for comfort...if your head hurts, it's hard to concentrate on driving!

For track use, I have a higher $$ Bell full face, but for autocross, I picked up one of these on sale for about $50...full Snell certification (M2005) makes it just as safe, for our use, as any higher $$ helmet.

http://www.hjchelmets.com/cs5.htm

Its only for autocross as of now, but soon I'll be tracking my car in some open track days, maybe even road racing eventually, I want a helmet that will work in all ways. I have to order it online, local shops prices are outrages, how would I know that its 100% or close perfect fit? Is it a problem for getting a black one, will it get too warm?

Other than the brand name, what benifits to the $$$ helmets have, and how was that helemt for 150 that I had in linked in my original post.

and agian, thanks for the help.

Its only for autocross as of now, but soon I'll be tracking my car in some open track days, maybe even road racing eventually, I want a helmet that will work in all ways. I have to order it online, local shops prices are outrages, how would I know that its 100% or close perfect fit? Is it a problem for getting a black one, will it get too warm?

Other than the brand name, what benifits to the $$$ helmets have, and how was that helemt for 150 that I had in linked in my original post.

and agian, thanks for the help.

OK, if you want a helmet you can use for track days, the one you linked won't cut it...you need a SA Snell, not M...most track groups (and all road racing groups) won't allow the use of M (motorcycle) helmets. Why is another discussion!

The main benefits to higher priced helmets are features (removeable liners, better venting etc.) and lighter weight (use of carbon/kevlar etc.). Expensive or inexpensive, they are passing the same safety tests, so that's not an issue.

For fitting, different brands really have different internal shapes, so it is best if you can try a few before you buy. It's kind of rude, but you could try on a helmet at a local shop and then order it on line, I guess. Regardless, I wouldn't want to buy a helmet that I was going to be wearing for 20-30 minute track sessions without trying it first, not only for comfort reasons (pressure points can become very, very annoying after a few minutes), but also because a helmet really needs to fit correctly to do its job. The other option is that local shops will make an effort to match internet pricing, if you ask...in any case, make sure it fits before you buy!

Color is personal choice, in a closed cockpit car you won't feel any difference between black or white helmets.

OK, if you want a helmet you can use for track days, the one you linked won't cut it...you need a SA Snell, not M...most track groups (and all road racing groups) won't allow the use of M (motorcycle) helmets. Why is another discussion!

The main benefits to higher priced helmets are features (removeable liners, better venting etc.) and lighter weight (use of carbon/kevlar etc.). Expensive or inexpensive, they are passing the same safety tests, so that's not an issue.

For fitting, different brands really have different internal shapes, so it is best if you can try a few before you buy. It's kind of rude, but you could try on a helmet at a local shop and then order it on line, I guess. Regardless, I wouldn't want to buy a helmet that I was going to be wearing for 20-30 minute track sessions without trying it first, not only for comfort reasons (pressure points can become very, very annoying after a few minutes), but also because a helmet really needs to fit correctly to do its job. The other option is that local shops will make an effort to match internet pricing, if you ask...in any case, make sure it fits before you buy!

Color is personal choice, in a closed cockpit car you won't feel any difference between black or white helmets.

Thanks again for the help, I'll go to a local shop today and check out their helemts..Any idea if their will be a sa type helemt under 200?

I agree. Fit is the most important thing. Go shopping at local shops and find the exact model you want. Then check prices for that model online. If you will be standing around in the sunlight, that black will get very hot. It won't matter much in the shade or in the car. You can always have one custom painted as well. If you have some talent, you can even do it yourself.

IMO open face is best for autox, closed face for track

be sure to get the CF model vvv :hahano:

http://img.search.com/thumb/6/60/Dark_Helmet_angry.jpg/300px-Dark_Helmet_angry.jpg

IMO open face is best for autox, closed face for track

be sure to get the CF model vvv :hahano:

http://img.search.com/thumb/6/60/Dark_Helmet_angry.jpg/300px-Dark_Helmet_angry.jpg

That'll never fit in a sunroof car:wavey:

Thanks again for the help, I'll go to a local shop today and check out their helemts..Any idea if their will be a sa type helemt under 200?

Difficult (impossible) to get SA2005 closed face < $200

Difficult (impossible) to get SA2005 closed face < $200

Never say impossible, http://www.soloracer.com/gfforcehybrid.html, just a quick 5-sec search. $199 with bag before S/H.

I've been using this one:

http://www.saferacer.com/gfopfasahe.html

for track days. It is the lowest price SA2005 I have seen. Next time I will probably spend more for less weight and full face, but this has worked fine for me.

IMO open face is best for autox, closed face for track

be sure to get the CF model vvv :hahano:

http://img.search.com/thumb/6/60/Dark_Helmet_angry.jpg/300px-Dark_Helmet_angry.jpg


Still not big enough for ULLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOSE's head:lol2:

Went to a local store, was a good idea, but they didnt have much in stock. Only the very high bell and simpson helmets, I guess i need to start saving up

Shoei Helmets

I like Simpson helmets (gasp when I said I like American products)

Look like the Stig from Top Gear haha.

I will have closed face... I am too pretty to have it damaged by scattered glass.

BTW that is what I have

http://www.saferacer.com/sibahesa.html

i have this helmet


http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/saferacer_1955_4266548


but in black

what size do you need?

I am stupid so my head is big.

XL

I like Simpson helmets (gasp when I said I like American products)

Look like the Stig from Top Gear haha.

I will have closed face... I am too pretty to have it damaged by scattered glass.

BTW that is what I have

http://www.saferacer.com/sibahesa.html

I'm actually loving this helemt, damn make you look good in a helmet

what size do you need?

I'm pretty sure large, but I've had a hard time measuring my head

Never say impossible, http://www.soloracer.com/gfforcehybrid.html, just a quick 5-sec search. $199 with bag before S/H.

Difficult (impossible) to get SA2005 closed face < $200

:dunno:

puple helmet warrior? what?........ +1

:dunno:

G-Force Hybrid is closed-face. Did you click on the link? Moreover, purchase of $225 qualifies for free shipping, otherwise, it's $9.99. Just get a filler to bring up the total.

Still not big enough for ULLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOSE's head:lol2:

:fingersx:

Another thing to consider is, how valuable is your head? A helmet is not something that I'd be counting my pennies over. I use an Arai GP5S which serves me pretty well. Recently I also bought an alphinestars facemask. It's superb for soaking up moisture and keeping your helmet nice a dry on hot days!

Main difference, as I understand it, between bike helmets and car helmets is that a car is a closed environment. A crash on a bike usually separates you from it, where as a crash in a car hopefully leaves you in it. In case of a fire, you'll want your helmet to be fire resistant for as long as possible. The inside of a bike helmet would likely just melt to your head. On a bike that wouldn't be an issue. I guess also different types of impacts are involved.

Anyway, have a look at these charming videos in order.

1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh53ciwjopg
2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVqNO6q5f0E&mode=related&search=

That guys helmet looks pretty charred! As does the rest of him. This is very unlikely to happen in a road car and even less likely in an autocross event. Still nice to be prepared!

I'm off to Fuji speedway on the 29th! I hope it doesn't rain!

Tom.

Back in the day, Bell used to run an ad where the tag line was, "if you have a $50 head, get a $50 helmet"...of course, that was before the Snell Foundation standard, production of a safe helmet required quite a bit of hand work, and the cheaper helmets were a joke. Nowadays, with current manufacturing capability enabling mass production, advances in composites at a lower price point and rigorous testing (all due to economies of scale as the industry has grown to meet demand), it is hard to justify spending more on a helmet just in terms of securing any additional safety benefit. What you will get for more money is more/better features and lighter weight weaves in the shell material.

Besides fire retardant linings, the other major difference, as I understand it, between M and SA standards is in narrowly distributed impact testing i.e. roll bar impacts.

a friend of mine has a pyrotect full face helmet he needs to get rid of. SA2005 white, practically new (never wore it for a track day). it's XXL tho...

$150+shipping

PM me and i'll get some pics for you.

Back in the day, Bell used to run an ad where the tag line was, "if you have a $50 head, get a $50 helmet"....

And mwood is still waiting for his $49.95 rebate check. :yelrotflm

And mwood is still waiting for his $49.95 rebate check. :yelrotflm

:yelrotflm

Good one.


Funnier yet, the HJC M2005 open face I use for autocross I bought on sale for...you got it...$50 :rofl:

Pyrotect makes a good helmet for $249 (SA 2005), which is what I'll probably get. They also have interchangable cheek pads, to help customize the fit. Stable Energies carries them: http://www.stableenergies.com/prodinfo.asp?number=PY-FF-05

Here's a cheap alternative, just for autox ($80) http://www.racingcommunications.com/
You could upgrade later. fyi, I've NEVER had a club at an HPDE have a problem with my M2000 helmet and I've been using it since I started in 2004, even if their website stated SA helmets only. I've done 15+ weekends and progressed to instructing in that time. I don't have an explanation for this, but you could always try to save the money for now (assuming your head is only worth $80, like mine) and if a club calls you out on it, you could borrow one for that weekend, and then buy a new one at that time, at whatever the latest SA rating is at that time.
Just some ideas...

And another thread revived in lieu of a new one...

OK, I've looked online at the Pyrotect, a G-Force Hybrid (http://www.soloracer.com/gfforcehybrid.html) and now a RaceQuip Ridgeline (http://www.soloracer.com/ridgeline.html) and have the same question for all of them:

Which one will add the least amount of height to an already tall driver? :confused:

I picked the car I have because it didn't have the headroom-killing sunroof, I already drive with the seat full down, so you get where this is going. One other thing I'll point out, and the rest of you can peek along, is if the helmet has venting on areas where it'll tear up the headliner of a daily driver. The Pyro and the Ridgeline look clean in that regard, but what the heck is on top of the G-Force?

Someone mentioned an "inexpensive" Bell (contradiction in terms if I ever saw one) full-face with low overhead profile, but I'm unable to locate that info.

Edit: OK, no responses, so I went with my best guess and picked up a Bell Sport SA2005 (http://ogracing.com/catalog/1-Driver/24-Helmets/74-Bell/83-Racing-Helmets/item-1694-BELL-SPORT-SA2005-RACING-HELMET) ($259 at OGRacing). Damn, I forgot how freakin' BIG a helmet can be, and it doesn't help that I wear a 7 3/8 hat!

The same old problem as above, not sure how this will play out at VIR when I get on track with instructor. As it stands, I have to rack the seat back aft about three-four clicks, and bring the seat itself forward one notch from street. Literally no room above, and if I go further back, the headliner bulge at the door split line pushes the helmet to the right. With the seat positioned as described, the helmet barely clears the roof, and I have a built-in brace for hard right-hand turns. :squint:

For the record: I am just shy of 6' 2", 193lbs, and 39" of that height is from seat cushion to top of my head.

Hey guys, I need a helmet as well. What I am wondering about is what the deal is with the number in SA2005. I am trying to by one for open track racing and I have been recommended to get SA2005. I thought helmets expire every 5 years. I'm assuming the number is year... Can anybody clarify?

SA means it's rated for auto racing. M would be for motocycles.
You are correct, 2005 is the rating year. They re-rate every 5 yrs. They are usually good for 10 rated years. Many lapping groups allow older. So, look for an SA2010 if they are out. You will get a longer life out of it before you have to get a new one.

SA means it's rated for auto racing. M would be for motocycles.
You are correct, 2005 is the rating year. They re-rate every 5 yrs. They are usually good for 10 rated years. Many lapping groups allow older. So, look for an SA2010 if they are out. You will get a longer life out of it before you have to get a new one.
You might also consider how often you'll use it and what the weather is like. In my case, I won't keep a helmet longer than 5 years as it gets kind of funky inside. So a 2005 isn't a bad deal for me (usually cheaper). Now, if I were high speeding it around a track, I might reconsider. But for parking lot racing, I'm not concerned with the newer ratings.

a head sock helps keep a helmet fresh and nice for a lot longer. SA is definitely the way to go though, its the most widely accepted for doing "car stuff".

If your going to get a head sock, you may as well get a nomex balaclava. Also, to save money, you may consider a open face helmet, rather than a full face. You are in a closed car, wearing a belt(s) to hold you in place. The field of vision is better with an open helmet too.
There was some debate, within the SCCA, about using full face helmets in cars with airbags. The thought was that the force of the bag going off would catch and cause a neck injury. I never heard the outcome of this.

If your going to get a head sock, you may as well get a nomex balaclava. Also, to save money, you may consider a open face helmet, rather than a full face. You are in a closed car, wearing a belt(s) to hold you in place. The field of vision is better with an open helmet too.
There was some debate, within the SCCA, about using full face helmets in cars with airbags. The thought was that the force of the bag going off would catch and cause a neck injury. I never heard the outcome of this.

Nomex wear is never a bad choice. Flames don't know if you're racing for a F1 title or just having fun around a track :)
Being sold as pork chops isn't on my priority list, at least.
As for the full face vs "Jet" helmet debate hitting an airbag with a full helmet shouldn't be too fun to test!

I'm about to pop for a new SA2010 (my current SA2000 is open face now). Checking some boards, come to find out one of my favorite tracks, NJMP, has MANDATED *NO* open face helmets as of 2011 for all track activities. Don't know if this is a trend, a law, or what, but the open face just got canned, however much I might like one.

If you do open face consider eye protection!

I had some close calls when going through the HPDE ranks with my MR2 - 2 pebbles bounced off my cheek two different times, had a tire booger bounce off my eyebrow, plus the dust from the occasional spins causing half a lap of blindness at times...

I went full face when it was time to upgrade and get something with head and neck restraint anchor points for racing

YMMV