http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/07/09/sony.price.reut/index.html

Sony slashes PS3 price tag by $100
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Sony drops price of current 60GB PlayStation 3 console by $100 in U.S.

PS3 still costs twice that of Nintendo's best-selling Wii console, which is $250

Some expect Microsoft to respond with its first price cuts on the Xbox 360

Sony to revise PS3 console with bigger 80GB hard drive
SAN FRANCISCO, California (Reuters) -- Sony has cut the price of the PlayStation 3 by $100, or 17 percent, in the United States, a move that should boost the video game console's lackluster sales.

The PlayStation 3, which includes a 60-gigabyte hard drive and a Blu-ray high-definition DVD player, will now cost $500, or $20 more than the most expensive version of Microsoft's Xbox 360.

The PS3 still costs twice that of Nintendo's Wii console, whose $250 price and motion-sensing controller have made it a best-seller despite its lack of cutting-edge graphics and hard disk.

"Our initial expectation is that sales should double at a minimum," Jack Tretton, chief executive of Sony Computer Entertainment America, said in an interview.

"We've gotten our production issues behind us on the PlayStation 3, reaching a position to pass on the savings to consumers, and our attitude is the sooner the better."

The price drop Monday was widely anticipated by industry analysts despite Sony President Ryoji Chubachi telling Reuters last week that the company had no immediate plans for one.

Wedbush Morgan analyst Michael Pachter said Sony's price reduction would not double sales but may boost them by 50 percent to about 120,000 units a month.

"The greater significance is that Sony is signaling to the market that we're coming down the cost curve pretty fast in making this thing. It's a pretty consumer-friendly move," Pachter said.

Sony's move comes two days before the start of the video game industry's annual E3 trade show in Santa Monica, California, where some expect Microsoft to respond with its first price cuts on the Xbox 360.

Nintendo, whose Wii is selling so well that it is still hard to find in stores eight months after its launch, is not expected to budge on pricing.

The Xbox 360 and Wii have outsold the PS3 by several times in the crucial U.S. market, leaving Sony, whose PlayStation 2 dominated the last console generation, in the unfamiliar position of playing catch up.

Sony is counting on the price cut to help it significantly grow sales of the PS3 ahead of the crucial holiday shopping season that accounts for most of the annual sales of highly profitable gaming software.

Sony is also introducing a new version of the PS3 featuring an 80-gigabyte hard drive and a copy of "Motorstorm," an off-road racing game that has already sold a million copies.

The new model will sell for $600 and is aimed at gamers who expect to download a lot of games and other content from Sony's burgeoning online network.

Sony also hopes the PS3 will win some converts following Microsoft's admission last week that the failure rate of its Xbox 360 console had been unacceptably high, forcing it to book $1 billion in repair costs.

"We're especially proud of the fact that the PlayStation 3 has the lowest failure rate of any PlayStation product. It's absolutely the gold standard," Tretton said.

"The quality of the product and long-term viability is what ultimately wins."

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Im not happy about the bold, i just bought my 360 elite on saturday :(

kinda tells you something about the state of PS3 sales huh?

-Steakboy

http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/07/09/sony.price.reut/index.html



Im not happy about the bold, i just bought my 360 elite on saturday :(

So you getting forza 2 or what?

So you getting forza 2 or what?

I've already got it, check sig for gamer tag.

I'll have to add you then whoop your ass with an M3.

I'll have to add you then whoop your ass with an M3.

we'll see. Either way im using the same car you are..that way its a Drivers race.

pwn nub!

pm me

on a related note.

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Blueeyes, add me. Geez.

Abbid, I'll give you some good feedback to get your rep stars going.

Anybody thinking about getting a PS3? Ever since I saw the ad for Circuit City offering the extra free controller for 500, I really wanted one. I know there in that Mail-in offer for 5 Bluray DVDs too. Probaly gonna drive to NH this weekend so I won't have to pay any tax either. Yea, I've been thinking about this too much....sad.

ya... i've been waiting for this price drop

wut i did instead of going to CC was get it off of amazon. the deal there is u get ur ps3 and a bluray remote and memento for free... + 5 bluray discs, free shipping and no tax

sounds pretty good. i've been thinking about it. i'll wait around and see what Microsoft does.

Hmm im not a huge sony fan but I may now consider getting one but I think I will hold out for one more price slashing.

Ebgames/Gamestop is doing a promotion they have the price drop to $499 and are giving away 5 blu-ray movies by mail in if you buy a PS3 between now and September 30, 2007. I bought a PS3 last November, it is a fantastic device, one of the best HD video (Blu-Ray 1080p) players on the market, with the recent (free) system updates it is also a superior quality upscaling DVD player, the current versions in stores are also backward compatible with the majority of PS1 and PS2 titles (See around 10K games) and while the PS3 game library is currently lacking (as any first year system is) the 3rd party developer support is coming around and the Blu-Ray support exclusive with companies like Disney and 20th Century Fox means quite a bit in the format war.

Basically, If you want a PS3 now is a pretty good time to buy one, around September, the stock of PS3's with the Emotion Engine Hardware emulation for PS1,2 and DVD upscaling will be sold out then they will be selling the slightly downgraded software emulation version they have been selling in Europe in the US.

No-one with a brain would try to convince people to buy a PS3 right now based on their game library for PS3 exclusives, they clearly don't have the edge, but they haven't been on the market as long.

The PS3 has several things going for it that the Xbox fans don't like to talk about. First, Free online service, you have no $100.00 annual service fee to be able to use Sony's game network. It isn't as robust yet as Xbox live, but then again, we go back to the system that Microsoft has been doing it longer, Sony is working hard and has the capacity to release an astounding library of content for download and online play and they have already started releasing PS1, PS2 and exclusive content for download.

Hardware reliability, I find it sheer, unadulterated comedy when an Xbox fanatic tries to dump on Sony's record for reliability. The 360 failure rate is at 30% now, with MS expecting up to 50% of every system sold thus far to fail by the 18 month mark. I still ahve my first gen PS1, PS2, and JpPS2 happily plodding along in my living room right next to my PS3, although the only one that gets much use these days in the PS3 since it does everything the other two do and does it better.

Cost, the 360 fans love to rant about the initial expense of the PS3. $600 (now $500) isn't chump change, but in my opinion it is a bargain for what it includes (Although they should have sprung for HDMI cables which would cost Sony about a buck a piece), You get a Top of the line Blu Ray player, although you don't get to choose whether or not you get this feature, it is inherent in the system because Sony has always planned to use the format for it's games. The HD-DVD add on for the 360 is $200, there goes your difference in price, but you do have the choice to not buy it. Free onilne play and content, you pay a recurring fee of $50 or $100 per year with the 360, doh, hey now your cost of ownership of the 360 actually exceeds the PS3. Upscaling DVD and retro games built in, Does the 360 do this? Backwards compatibility, both systems have it, but for which system does it work best, hands down Sony (for the time being) MS has been trickling out game emulation slowing, Sony had it built in with a few exceptions for some rare 3rd party games.

It all comes down to what you want at the end of the day, MS and Sony have catered to different gaming crowds from the outset for the most part. MS went after the sports games and FPS crowd, Sony was always shooting for the Action game/platformer/RPG crowd. There is no small measure of "Ford vs Chevy" action in mix as well.

The choice was obvious for me because I don't play sports games (with a few exceptions) and think console FPS's are just a shadow of their PC counterparts in terms of control. I was in the market for both a Blu-ray player and an upscaling DVD player, viola, I got my next gen game system and my movie player all in one.

Sony doesn't have a huge PS3 exclusive game library yet, but they have been making huge strides in courting the 3rd party developers over the past few months, (see announcements by Square Enix, Konami etc.) to be sure there there are exciting gamdes coming to the system.

Bleh, anyhow, enough of that. With the price drop and incentives I'll be buyinga second unit this weekend to give to my brother as a christmas present while they still come equiped with the emotion engine. :)

may I remind you that stores STILL can't Wii's on the shelf, while PS3's collect dust? THAT tells you something.

-Steakboy

Not sure how the Wii relates, it isn't a next gen, HD game system, but it does tell me something, that for half the price, people are willing to pay for game technology from 6 years ago. The Wii is a just a tweaked gamecube in a new box with a gimick controller. I own one, woohoo.

The Wii is a casual gamers delight, it is less expensive and it has gimicky fun, and it tells the market that gamers like myself are in the minority, that isn't news. I have been playing and collecting video games since the atari 2600 was released, I own a Wii and a half dozen games for it, it is fun to fart around with, great for parties and when the relatives bring their kids by the house, I loath the control scheme though for any serious game that you are going to spend more than 20 minutes playing. Zelda gets absolutely frustrating after an hour, but that's just me. Aside from DDR, guitar hero or light gun games, I don't particularly want to have to shake or flail my controller, and they need to do some work fine tuning the wii-mote control, the Namco Guncon from a decade ago had much, much finer control than the wiimote.

It also confirms that the PS3 isn't an impulse purchase, and it shouldn't be, nor should the 360, for that kind of money, a person should know what type of gaming experience they are after. The Wii is a great stepping stone for people who have never been into gaming, or haven't had a console since the NES to get back into gaming. Don't get me wrong, i love Nintendo, and I want them to stay in teh game development and system creation market and I'll continue to support them, but they have stated in no uncertain terms that they are going after a market that I am barely on the fringe of, I like the old platformers, I like the odd niche games, I play the snot out of my DS, but in terms of good RPG's and solid action games, they only provide marginal support.

^^ I totally agree.

I pretty much owned all the consoles starting with the Atari (I remember playing it when I was like 5 years old). I got the sega systems before the Nintendo ones. I used to be a hardcore console gamer.

Then it was harder to find friends who were also into gaming. Computer games were easier to connect with other live players (this was before Xbox live). Comp games stuck with me so now the wii is perfect for me since I can just use it for poker nights or whatever. I no longer have time to sit through numerous hours trying to finish Final Fantasy or Metal Gear...

I thought the CEO just went on record a few days ago and said no price cuts...

he said it last week. But it's to be expected that a company doesn't tell the competition their plans ahead of time..

PS3 has nothing to offer that you can't get for less somewhere else. In addition, people don't buy game systems for Movies. Thus, it's failing.

Sony is an arrogant company. Finally, it's catching up to them.

[QUOTE=RojoOcho;1963152]PS3 has nothing to offer that you can't get for less somewhere else. In addition, people don't buy game systems for Movies. Thus, it's failing. QUOTE]


LOL, not true, I have four guys in my row of cubciles here at the office within 30 feet that all told me that they convinced their wives to let them get PS2's back in the day because it was a DVD player, and it still is their primary DVD player. I have three buddies that have never owned a stand alone DVD player, their PS2 has been their primary movie machine for the last half decade.

The PS3, and you can scope the AVS forums or most any other honest HD site, is not only competent, but comparable to the best Blu-ray players out there, and is half the cost of a high end player, the same cost as an entry level player. How much are the least expensive HD-DVD players now, I think i saw Walmart importing a ton of chinese HD-DVDV players there were gonna sell for $200 bucks? So, the fact is that there are people out there, maybe not the majority in terms of DVD anymore, but there are plenty of people that do appreciate the pack-in value that Sony has brought to their game systems through multiple application design.

Is it failing? So far as the Format war goes, the PS3 has put them ahead of HD-DVD sales, strategically sound move that they orchestrated. Is it failign because it isn't outselling the Wii? Different machine, different market niche, I say the comparison isn't apples to apples. Has the 360 sold more units? Hell yes, they have been on the market longer and Microsoft has lost 6 billion dollars pimping their system out there, Sony hasn't sold nearly as many units as they would like to have by now, but as it has been made clear, they haven't delivered the big name catalog that it will take the blow past the competition, and once again, the sticker shock is a serious factor. 5 or $600 is nothing to sneeze at, people need a compelling reason to buy the machines, and most people are not sold on HD yet.

In terms of nothing you can't get for less elsewhere, like what?? Show me another product that can play PS1(+upscaling), PS2(+upscaling), PS3 games, Blu-ray movies, Upscales my DvD collection as well, has an internet browser, downloadable free game content alinks to my PSP for downloadable content, can use it as a rearview mirror for racing games for less and I'll buy it :) But I in the minority, I thought the PS3 was a bragain at $600 with just the launch game lineup.

The $600 price tag throws off a mental alert. It's subconscious. People aren't going to pay that much. Period. Doesn't matter what it does.

That's why they are dropping it. If it was such a bargain, this wouldnt be happening. It has a lot of features; yes. But you just can't sell it for that much.

Also, there's still no "killer app" and PS3 exclusives are being converted to 360 exclusives. Everyone saw this coming.

I got my friend a deal on a 360...when he found out I can also get a deal on the PS3, he sold his 360. I think once PS3 gets more titles out there, it will start selling a lot better. Plus if Blu-Ray wins out on the DVD war, PS3 will definitely blow out the 360 in sales. I think everyone's just waiting right now.
Cuz I definitely enjoyed the PS2 better than the Xbox...The only game I wish was on the PS2 was Halo...other than that I didnt see any reason to buy an xbox

The Wii is a casual gamers delight, it is less expensive and it has gimicky fun, and it tells the market that gamers like myself are in the minority, that isn't news. That is where you're wrong. The casual gamer market is huge, and fun, innovative games are system sellers. The DS is the best selling console of all time, and it *still* sells about 170,000 units a week in Japan. A week! And thats only in Japan!!

The Wii has many things going for it, and we're starting to see the same innovative titles on the wii that we already have on the DS. Go do a search for "de blob" and you'll see what I mean.

It took the DS over a year to really find it's legs, and thankfully the Wii is looking lik e it's beginning too much earlier.

Sony has pushed itself out of the market by allowing exclusive titles to slip through it's fingers, pricing a console that doesn't make sense for most families, and cramming it with difficult to program for (and crappy) technology. There's a reason why your 360 games run and look better than ps3. But then again, the ps3 just *kills* at folding, if thats your game.:rolleyes:

That is where you're wrong. The casual gamer market is huge, and fun, innovative games are system sellers. The DS is the best selling console of all time, and it *still* sells about 170,000 units a week in Japan. A week! And thats only in Japan!!

The Wii has many things going for it, and we're starting to see the same innovative titles on the wii that we already have on the DS. Go do a search for "de blob" and you'll see what I mean.

It took the DS over a year to really find it's legs, and thankfully the Wii is looking lik e it's beginning too much earlier.

Sony has pushed itself out of the market by allowing exclusive titles to slip through it's fingers, pricing a console that doesn't make sense for most families, and cramming it with difficult to program for (and crappy) technology. There's a reason why your 360 games run and look better than ps3. But then again, the ps3 just *kills* at folding, if thats your game.:rolleyes:

Chr1s, I love it when you chime in on stuff like this. Thank you.

-Steakboy

PS3 = Saturn of 2006 (in regards to programming).

And what if Blu-Ray Loses?

Please name me 3 must have games on PS3; and PS3 solely.

Please name me 3 must have games on PS3; and PS3 solely.

The PS3 has 3 games for it? wow, I didn't know that! :)

-Steakboy

why all the console hate, none of you work for sony or microsoft or nintendo, play whatever the hell you wanna play when you wanna play its a game system not a lifestyle (maybe it is a lifestyle i have all 3 lol)

ive been playing tiger woods and trauma center on the wii; guitar hero, over g fighters, and crackdown on the 360; and i've been playing GT4 (in HD) and MGS Subsistence on the PS3 (granted those last two aren't ps3 games but they look a lot better through the crisp HDMI connection of the PS3). Im patiently waiting for a number of titles on all 3 systems.

why all the console hate, none of you work for sony or microsoft or nintendo, play whatever the hell you wanna play when you wanna play its a game system not a lifestyle (maybe it is a lifestyle i have all 3 lol)

ive been playing tiger woods and trauma center on the wii; guitar hero, over g fighters, and crackdown on the 360; and i've been playing GT4 (in HD) and MGS Subsistence on the PS3 (granted those last two aren't ps3 games but they look a lot better through the crisp HDMI connection of the PS3). Im patiently waiting for a number of titles on all 3 systems.

chr1s works for a game studio that produces games for both the 360 and PS3, and he prefers the 360.

Some of us can only choose 1 system though. I don't have 1200+ to spend on just consoles alone. So, we are forced to pick a system. I chose the 360 because of a lot of things, but mostly because of game choice.

-Steakboy

may I remind you that stores STILL can't Wii's on the shelf, while PS3's collect dust? THAT tells you something.

-Steakboy
well the same thing can be said about the 360. MS said it will have 18mill in stores by the end of june which was announced back in jan. but in feb they dropped it down to 15mill, but they only was able to get 11mil in stores by the end of june.

so that tells me no one is buying the 360 also, because they keep lowering how many 360's they will have in stores. and being a 360 owner, i dont find that good news. but both systems are selling poor. but one has a bigger libray then the other and still selling poorly. :dunno: any how glad i own both. i just wish i can get a wii some time soon.

also that reminds, wii is like 2mill from taking the lead from 360 which had a 1 year head start. so that alones tells me 360 isnt selling like it should be.

games i want on the ps3
heavenly sword
kill zone
drakes fortune
GT5
Ratchet and Clank
Haze
MGs4
FF13

games on the 360
mass effect

games on the pc
bioshock
alan wake
UT3
and quake wars.

PS3 = Saturn of 2006 (in regards to programming).

And what if Blu-Ray Loses?

Please name me 3 must have games on PS3; and PS3 solely.

well the ps2 was hard to progam for when you compare it to the Dreamcast , Xbox. and look what happend in the end. personally i think 360 is a good machine, which is why i own it.

but when JA is not buying up their consoles when games are out for it, where ps3 has not came out with games that JA likes, but it still out sells it every week. then something tells me that JA game companies will continue deving the ps3 due to the JA audience. then what happnes when GT5, FF comes out in ja. ps3 sales will fly off the roof.

also how can blu ray lose ? when their software has been out selling hd dvd software 3-1 ever since december. now they are out selling hd dvd in europe 3-1 also. so how can blu ray lose? even with hd dvd having porn on their format, it is still be pwned to death.

The Wii touches a market that the 360 and the PS3 can't. So it doesn't surprise me that it will surpass 360 sales. However, I'd love to see the sales comparison between the PS3 and the 360 (when the 360 was at the same age as the PS3 is now). that would be a nice comparison.

I'll get Bioshock for my PC if it isn't Vista only. if it is, ill get it for my 360.

-Steakboy

That is where you're wrong. The casual gamer market is huge, and fun, innovative games are system sellers. The DS is the best selling console of all time, and it *still* sells about 170,000 units a week in Japan. A week! And thats only in Japan!!

Read what I said again, I wasn't classifying myself as a casual gamer, I am in the "hardcore" gamer minority, not that I am really that hardcore, but I do spend more, collect more, play more than a casual gamer, and I said that the Wii is telling the market that people are willing to pay $250 for tweaked 6 year old hardware, they are selling rapidly, anyone who'd argue otherwise is deluded or a fool.


The Wii has many things going for it, and we're starting to see the same innovative titles on the wii that we already have on the DS. Go do a search for "de blob" and you'll see what I mean.

It took the DS over a year to really find it's legs, and thankfully the Wii is looking like it's beginning too much earlier.

I covered this as well, you won't find me bashing the DS, like I said, I play mine religiously. I still don't think the Wii has any business in the discussion of next gen game systems, it is an apples to oranges comparison in my mind.

Sony has pushed itself out of the market by allowing exclusive titles to slip through it's fingers, pricing a console that doesn't make sense for most families, and cramming it with difficult to program for (and crappy) technology. There's a reason why your 360 games run and look better than ps3. But then again, the ps3 just *kills* at folding, if thats your game.:rolleyes:

No arguement from me here, Sony absolutely got too cocky and didn't fork over the money and the serious assistance with Dev kits to 3rd party designers, they jsut assumed that based on their track record everyone would be beating down their door to put games out on their system. How they managed to ignore their own heavy handed history with 3rd party developers and the insane hoops that they mad ecompanies jump through to publish ontheir systems was surprising to me.

Look I clearly remember the old days with Working Designs and some of those other great small game companies pulling their hair out trying to get approval from SCEA to put their games out. Hopefully Sony has learned a lesson here and is willing to provide the incentives and development assistance to the external game companies. That being said, this isn't doom for the system, all they have to do is eat a little crow and get back on track with the 3rd party developers.

I was aghast when Sony came on the gaming scene with the Playstation, I was expecting them to do the things that EA has done with sports games but across the entire market. I was disgusted when Sega was driven to the poor house, I love the dreamcast, it had lots of "Fun" and creative games but the system tanked. Sony had a long history with their proprietary devices, betamax and minidisc clearly show how they have repeatedly tried to corner the market with new superior tech, and it bites them every time. At least with Blu-ray they have been willing to license the technology to third party manufacturers, which shows me that they have learned from their past mistakes.

And what if Blu-Ray Loses?

Please name me 3 must have games on PS3; and PS3 solely.

Zing! nice trap. First off, my prediction, which isn't worth the space it is typed on because it is just my condensation of all the garbage I have read is that the format war isn't going to end any time soon, with the advent of cheap dual format players both formats will continue unless something catastrophic happens. The sides are too entrenched in the "War".

Second, ouch! You got me, regardless of the response I give, "must have" is subjective, and second, I honestly don't have a list of the titles that are exclusive to either system in front of me. I am sure there is a list compiled someplace I can go leech from, but from my personal experience, I have Ridge Racer, Fight Night Round 3, Resistance Fall of Man, Ninja Gaiden Sigma, DL-Flow, of those I think Resistance and Flow are the only exclusive games I own. I have a bunch of downloads, like the Gran Tourismo demo. Flow is just a glorified screen saver, tech demo for the sixaxis controller. I am looking foward to several upcoming releases but in the meantime I have been playing through some RPG's for the PS2 I bought and never got around to. There has not been much compelling content yet, like I said, early in Year one with any system, if you expect a lot more than the launch line-up and some titles rushed to fill the gap, you are likely going to be disappointed. Again, talking about Next Gen systems. Game developers can break out their Gamecube, PS2 and Xbox dev kits and rock out some content for the Wii, PS2 and X-Box but with new system architecture and demands it takes time to make quality games, I'm willing to wait.


Looking forward to Lair, Heavenly Sword, MGS4, FFXIII, God of War 3, Gran Tourismo HD. All of which are a ways off.

Anyhow, I said more than my piece, the 360 crowd loves hating on the PS3, there are plenty of people out here who still believe in the power of Playstation, and don't feel like the system price was unfair. The "war" (Either one) is far from over, calling a winner right now is severely premature.

yeah nintendo totally won by getting out of the HP war and going for whats fun, id say i spent most of my time on the wii until i got guitar hero 2 lol

Well people are shelling out 200(CAD) for the PSP and that's not exactly new technology...for $80(CAD) more you can get the wii...

I have a 360. If I could find one in a store, I'd have a Wii too.
I will not buy a PS3 and I could, very easily, if I wanted to.

Why not? There is nothing compelling enough on that system to make me want one. We could argue all day long about the technical aspects of the systems, what they all can do and what the others cannot, but there just isn't anything there that is so substantial that will not be on the 360.

First party titles are one thing, but exclusiveness, something which Sony benefited greatly from with the PS2, just isn't there. You might say "what about Square?" and I'll say "what about them?" Square in the past made my favorite games, but the last time I really enjoyed a square RPG was Chrono Cross. Don't get me wrong, square makes wonderful games, but I really believe they've lost a lot of what made them fun in the past.

But all of this is my opinion... you all have your own.. buy the system that has the games you want to play and be happy about it.

I don't hate the PS3. I have a PS1 and PS2. If I wanted one, I could buy one. Don't take that as being snobby. I'm not rich but I could.

PS3 is trying to sell on potential. All these games that are on the horizon show potential. However, many of the titles showed the same potential during their launch. The best games for the system are available for 360.

Some of those games you name which were long PS exclusive are now coming to 360 in a simultaneous launch (MGS4 and even rumblings of FFXIII).

While God of War 3 will be absolutely astonishing and Gran Turismo should be as well, the time table for these titles are too distant to be a factor (in my opinion not making at 2007 launch date. If I'm wrong about the dates for those please correct me).

Sony is relying on the Playstation brand to guide them through their lackluster launch since, deservedly, it has a huge loyal following. But no one can call the system up to this point a success.

Am I saying it's over? No. That'd be ignorant. Sony could emerge as the "victor". But they have a extremely steep cliff to climb. I think being humbled by this will bode well for the company but in the meantime, it will remain difficult to select a PS3 OVER anything else if you aren't able to just "buy 'em all".

The Wii touches a market that the 360 and the PS3 can't. So it doesn't surprise me that it will surpass 360 sales. However, I'd love to see the sales comparison between the PS3 and the 360 (when the 360 was at the same age as the PS3 is now). that would be a nice comparison.

I'll get Bioshock for my PC if it isn't Vista only. if it is, ill get it for my 360.

-Steakboy you should visit vgchartz sometimes, you can see that the ps3 is selling the same as the 360 did in the first year.

you should visit vgchartz sometimes, you can see that the ps3 is selling the same as the 360 did in the first year.

Not quite, but close:
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And for shits and giggles, let's break it down to the major buying areas
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http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=103843

As you can see, Japan LOVES the PS3 way better than the 360.

-Steakboy

Half of yesterday's WSJ was about PS3, 360, Wii. I thought I was reading a gaming magazine. I didn't know that Microsoft has never made a profit on ANY console. An editor called for Microsoft to drop or spin off Xbox since it takes up too many resources but insignificantly adds to the bottom line. They generalized that the Wii realized that games were getting too long and difficult and went after the broader, casual gamer market.

Edit: they also had a long explanation for 360's failure in Japan.

Of course Sony is going to outsell 360 in Japan.

Of course Sony is going to outsell 360 in Japan. Right, and a lot of that has to do with national pride. The Japanese are a very proud nation, and they're quick to support their own, but not others. Part of the reason 360 fails in Japan is because it's American.

Nintendo is doing very well and since they make a profit on each console, they're already ahead of the game. Plus they've priced their console in a range thats within reach of most households. I agree with other sentiments on this board that people typically choose between the ps3 and 360, and then buy the wii on top of that.

Also, as far as those graphs go, the PS3 sells about 9,000 - 11,000 consoles a week in Japan. I think the wii does about 80,000. Thats per week, and thats a massive gap. Remember that sony is losing a significant amount of change on each console, while nintendo is making a profit on each console sold.

Also, sony has little to no exclusive sony titles that people will just buy, perhaps God of War and GT are 2 of them, however, those games cost a large sum of money to make, and while they sell well, they're not gangbusters. In fact, the first GoW barely crawled over the million sold line.

Now lets look at nintendo, they have a huge basket of first party titles they sell. Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Starfox, etc... Plus all the offshoot games from that, like Mario Strikers, Mario Kart, Mario Party, Brain Age, Super Smash Bros, etc... Those are all games that cost less money to make than the sony titles, yet they'll easily sell more.

Nintendo has put itself in a very, very, smart position. They're letting the two giants battle it out, while they sneak in the back door.

Also, developers do have a preference when it comes to which console they develop on, however, it all comes down to market saturation. If there are Wii's in everyones home, then it's a no brainer to make games for the wii. Why do you think there was such a huge shift in focus when the Wii came out and started selling like hotcakes? EA, THQ, Activision, etc... all went "holy crap, that wii is selling like crazy all over the world, we need to get some people on that!"

It's all about making money, and right now nintendo has shifted to it's "ocean" strategy which I believe will be the future of games, and where the money is made. Lower Development Cost + Smaller Development Cycle + Large Market Penetration = Profit for the developer and the hardware manufacturer. Right now nintendo is winning that battle hands down.

my compuper costz over 9000 dollars it r better than PSWii60

By the by, who is that in your avatar chr1s?

^ U got ripped off. I paid $300 for the same system.

my compuper costz over 9000 dollars it r better than PSWii60

By the by, who is that in your avatar chr1s? Samus.

Here's the full picture.

http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs14/f/2007/064/c/0/Samus_Aran_by_transfuse.jpg

Don't get the PS3 now.

Wait until they bring rumble back. They're already working on it. They'll probably have it in a year. Since there's no great games for the PS3 yet and BluRay isn't the standard yet, you probably can afford to wait a year to get rumble instead of having to buy new controllers.

I don't like the whole idea that next gen only applies to grunt power of the console. I admit, I'm disappointed that the Wii can't do HD, but whatever. It's next generation though since it has improved on the past generation. The Wii went control scheme as their "improvement" where as the 360 and PS3 went the more traditional "power" as their "improvement."

I'll probably wind up picking up the PS3 at some point in the future since the pricing is starting to fall near the level I want. Though I don't really need it, the gamer in me says to buy it to complete my collection (currently own DS, 360, Wii, PSP).

Right now both the PS3 and the Wii look pretty bare in terms of games I want. The 360 is killing them... I preordered Bioshock and Mass Effect already. I'm totally salivating over Resident Evil 5 and Silent Hill 5 just from their previous history. Fallout 3 I'm really looking forward to. Though, whatever game I'm playing will get shelved when Starcraft 2 comes out. :D