What kind of setup do you run? Is RX-8 competitive in that class?

myself and another person are looking to do that next year. I don't know of anyone local that runs TT now in a RX-8

myself and another person are looking to do that next year. I don't know of anyone local that runs TT now in a RX-8

What modification are you going to put in?

myself and another person are looking to do that next year. I don't know of anyone local that runs TT now in a RX-8

I would love to join you in that if I could. I'm not sure I am going to be ready until the following summer though. What is allowed in this class?

What modification are you going to put in?

the only thing that I have been thinking about is coilovers, and possibly some stickier tires. i have anti-roll bars already, plus a front shock tower brace.

I would love to join you in that if I could. I'm not sure I am going to be ready until the following summer though. What is allowed in this class?

it depends if you want to run in a stock class, or go up a class.

http://www.nasaproracing.com/rules/Time-Trial-Rules.pdf

^ this will tell you how many points you have to play with, and what the stock class is

I'm prepping for that as well. I'm at 17pts at last count so still class'd in TTD.

it depends if you want to run in a stock class, or go up a class.

http://www.nasaproracing.com/rules/Time-Trial-Rules.pdf

^ this will tell you how many points you have to play with, and what the stock class is

Yea, we were looking at that at lunch. I think we put together 2 or 3 different very good possible TTD setups.


What sways are you running?

I'm prepping for that as well. I'm at 17pts at last count so still class'd in TTD.

I'm going to assume your setup is your secret? What region are you running in?EDIT: probably Texas, derrrr.

Yea, we were looking at that at lunch. I think we put together 2 or 3 different very good possible TTD setups.


What sways are you running?

RB

RB

Give me a call when you get a chance.

I'm prepping for that as well. I'm at 17pts at last count so still class'd in TTD.

Are you going to run Texas region? I figure if you've already start prepping for it now, you're going to start next season?

Good to see others running TTD.

Good to see others running TTD.I may see you at Gratten next year. I love that track. I would be running this year except the lack of funds.

I may see you at Gratten next year. I love that track. I would be running this year except the lack of funds.

I would like to run at Gratten too, hopefully I can bank enough track funds this winter to have some serious fun next summer.

Are you going to run Texas region? I figure if you've already start prepping for it now, you're going to start next season?

Yeah. I've been planning it for a while. I will be starting it next year.

Yeah. I've been planning it for a while. I will be starting it next year.

We are trying to go do some baseline on the car before we started tuning it, but the weather is not cooperating...sigh...

I've been doing DEs since last year as prep. I started with the car mostly stock (stock width tires, intake, exhaust, ms springs struts) slowly adding a piece here and there as skill increased. I'm in the advanced run group with the DE organization I drive with now and the car has a few more mods on it but for the most part isn't too tweaked.

Intake +1
Exhaust +1
CoilOvers +4 +2
265/35 tires +4

My 2 largest point penalties are for the wider tires and the coilovers. I'm getting sways fairly soon which is another +2. Leaves me with 5 points that I don't know how I want to use yet. I'm planning on putting on the MS body kit and have no clue how that will affect the points so I'm just going to let the points sit. It could add 7 points depending on how they class it so I just don't know.

I've been doing DEs since last year as prep. I started with the car mostly stock (stock width tires, intake, exhaust, ms springs struts) slowly adding a piece here and there as skill increased. I'm in the advanced run group with the DE organization I drive with now and the car has a few more mods on it but for the most part isn't too tweaked.

Intake +1
Exhaust +1
CoilOvers +4 +2
265/35 tires +4

My 2 largest point penalties are for the wider tires and the coilovers. I'm getting sways fairly soon which is another +2. Leaves me with 5 points that I don't know how I want to use yet. I'm planning on putting on the MS body kit and have no clue how that will affect the points so I'm just going to let the points sit. It could add 7 points depending on how they class it so I just don't know.

Are you going to run street or DOT R tires? If DOT R, which one? Because depending on the UTQG rating, you may be assessed more points.

Bridgestone RE-01R. Street non R compound tires. Just slightly behind the Yoko AD07s. Damn good tire though. DAMN good. Plus I really don't see the point of being faster than other people if I have to change something I can't run on the street. I do have 2 sets of wheels but the "street" set is mainly for the bling factor.

Bridgestone RE-01R. Street non R compound tires. Just slightly behind the Yoko AD07s. Damn good tire though. DAMN good. Plus I really don't see the point of being faster than other people if I have to change something I can't run on the street. I do have 2 sets of wheels but the "street" set is mainly for the bling factor.

Not sure how Texas runs, but a lot / most run R compound at Mid-Ohio if not all.

My friends and I did an experiment with his stock E46 M3 (333hp) on very good streets vs my pretty much stock RX8 (some small suspension + Hoosiers) vs a modified Honda Prelude (287 supercharged HPs + suspension + hard R-compound). We ran Mid-Ohio. We were all pretty experienced drivers on the track. M3 was most experienced at M/O. I had been there one other time and Prelude was a first timer there. I was able to edge out the Prelude by only a second and maybe at best 1.5-2s beat out the M3.
Tires are a very big deal ...especially if you are not running the R's.

I have othe experiences such as Mosport with a street tired Viper running equal times. All I saw down the back straight was his dust, but I was able to catch him up right before the straight started again. We were both in the Advanced group so it was not because he was a bad driver either....I believe the difference was tires.
Anyone else have similar experieinces?

I have othe experiences such as Mosport with a street tired Viper running equal times. All I saw down the back straight was his dust, but I was able to catch him up right before the straight started again. We were both in the Advanced group so it was not because he was a bad driver either....I believe the difference was tires.
Anyone else have similar experieinces?


I dont, nor do I run with anyone that uses R-comps as of now, but I have seen many similar situations play out just because of the way this car brakes.

I would suspect r-comps would be a huge deal in TT though.

^ you can run them in TT, but you need to basically have no other modifications or just go balls out and run TTU or TTR

by R-comps i meant DOT-R's. +5 points for DOT-R with 100+ wear rating

Its +5 but if you have wider tires there is a penalty there too. My tires are 265 which is already a +4. I still think the setup I have should make me competitive in TTD here. You can always check your times against what the front runners in your class in your region are running. That should give you a good idea how well you stack up.

BTW, an E46 runs in TTC stock. Your RX8 would still be classed in TTD. The Prelude ... have no clue what that'd be classed as because of the aftermarket super charger.

I also run in the advance run groups. I don't run R-compounds but I can still also turn laps faster than cars with R-compounds and more HP. I'm not saying it doesn't make a difference but driver still trumps all.

Its +5 but if you have wider tires there is a penalty there too. My tires are 265 which is already a +4. I still think the setup I have should make me competitive in TTD here. You can always check your times against what the front runners in your class in your region are running. That should give you a good idea how well you stack up.



Avenger, do you ever make it up to MSR near DFW? I'd like to get back into doing some track days, and might end up converting my B Stock RX-8 over to a TTD car in the next couple of years. I'd be curious to see how a B Stock car on V710s (my car currently racks up +14 according to NASA's rules) stacks up against your car.

By my reckoning, you could build a pretty competitive TTD car, starting with an RX-8:

Shocks: +3
Springs: +2 (you could have a pretty sophisticated set of double-adjustable coilover shocks built that would still avoid the +7 assessment)
Sway bars: +2
Exhaust: +1 (no power, but shave 35+ pounds out of the car pretty easily)
245 width V710s: +10
Total: +18 <--- Still in TTD, and can take another 19 pounds in weight loss figuring the alternate min. comp. weight with that last point

Add in some of the "freebie" mods (shorter final drive, lightweight clutch and flywheel, remove a/c and radio), and you'd have to ballast to make min. weight. I'm 205#, and based on what my car weighed in track trim at the Houston SCCA National Tour, I'm only about 5# over the minimum competition weight as it is right now. Get a lighter driver and/or start ripping out free components, and it's time to add ballast.

if you took out the ac you would be assessed a point for pulley delete.

if you took out the ac you would be assessed a point for pulley delete.

Umm... that's not how I read it.


ENGINE/DRIVETRAIN:
9) Replacement pulleys (other than for supercharger) +1


NO-POINTS MODIFICATIONS:
4) AC and condenser removal

As I see it, the rule under ENGINE/DRIVETRAIN is referring to underdrive pulleys. It makes no mention of assessing points for removal of pulleys, OEM or not. The rule under NO-POINTS MODIFICATIONS allows for AC and condenser removal, but is not specific as to what constitutes "AC". I would argue that the AC pulley is part of the AC.

Regardless, you can always leave the pulley and run a different belt that bypasses the AC pulley. :)

Umm... that's not how I read it.





As I see it, the rule under ENGINE/DRIVETRAIN is referring to underdrive pulleys. It makes no mention of assessing points for removal of pulleys, OEM or not. The rule under NO-POINTS MODIFICATIONS allows for AC and condenser removal, but is not specific as to what constitutes "AC". I would argue that the AC pulley is part of the AC.

Regardless, you can always leave the pulley and run a different belt that bypasses the AC pulley. :)

Good call...I read it the way Mac was interpreting it also. Definitely some hp to be picked up from that, and a drop in weight....not so sure I'd go so far to do this step, though.

Avenger, do you ever make it up to MSR near DFW? I'd like to get back into doing some track days, and might end up converting my B Stock RX-8 over to a TTD car in the next couple of years. I'd be curious to see how a B Stock car on V710s (my car currently racks up +14 according to NASA's rules) stacks up against your car.

By my reckoning, you could build a pretty competitive TTD car, starting with an RX-8:

Shocks: +3
Springs: +2 (you could have a pretty sophisticated set of double-adjustable coilover shocks built that would still avoid the +7 assessment)
Sway bars: +2
Exhaust: +1 (no power, but shave 35+ pounds out of the car pretty easily)
245 width V710s: +10
Total: +18 <--- Still in TTD, and can take another 19 pounds in weight loss figuring the alternate min. comp. weight with that last point

Add in some of the "freebie" mods (shorter final drive, lightweight clutch and flywheel, remove a/c and radio), and you'd have to ballast to make min. weight. I'm 205#, and based on what my car weighed in track trim at the Houston SCCA National Tour, I'm only about 5# over the minimum competition weight as it is right now. Get a lighter driver and/or start ripping out free components, and it's time to add ballast. Put in a rollbar for safety. That will give you your weight back and add some chassis stiffness.

You could also fab a idler pully to replace the missing AC unit.

Put in a rollbar for safety. That will give you your weight back and add some chassis stiffness.

Yeah, a car built to the limit of the rules would have full safety equipment, including a cage, proper seats and restraints, all airbags removed, etc.. You could then gut the car and use the alternate weight formula (so that you could avoid taking points for the removal of OEM seats, interior parts, etc.). Rip out enough stuff and ballast it back up to the required minimum weight by placing the ballast exactly where you want it. :)

The AC runs on it's own belt and drive pulley separate from the main alternator and water pump drive system. The AC drive pulley is a separate part that bolts on in place with the main drive pulley on the e-shaft nose.

So you can remove the AC unit in whole including the drive pulley without needing any mods.

I'm not even thinking about it that much. I guess my only real goal is to be competitive. Im sure there are going to be some tough cars in TTD to beat but I'm not going to monkey too much with the car past what I've done to it (except for a cage, seat, and harness). Occasionally I do feel unsettled with what I'm doing with the car and at the speeds.

I've been to MSR up in Cresson. I'm actually going up there this weekend for a DE. I LOVE that new section of the track. Great elevation changes and love working the 180* corners. Great track. Even in the rain. Teaches driver control.

The AC runs on it's own belt and drive pulley separate from the main alternator and water pump drive system. The AC drive pulley is a separate part that bolts on in place with the main drive pulley on the e-shaft nose.

So you can remove the AC unit in whole including the drive pulley without needing any mods.

+1


we talked about and looked at this a couple of weeks ago, RD. I guess if they are not going ot asess any points and you want to retain the a/c you could always just take off the drive belt for the weekend.

How much performance difference are we talking about with the AC belt removal?

dunno on the 8. depends on the compressor. some can be a large drag and some can be almost not noticed. belt looks pretty easy to take off. try it out? Possibly an experiment for next weekend?

Personally I would rather try and get the last tenth out of my driving before I start ripping off belts on my car. But like you said, if it makes a big deal I might be more open to the work

with as easy as it is to take the belt off (and as hard - in comparison - to get the last tenth out of my driving abilities) i would be willing to give it a shot next weekend if i am running.

I guess, just be sure nothing else weird that might be related is happening

The compressor has a clutch on it. The compressor only turns when the clutch is engaged. There will some small loss with the belt on, but not much. The biggest gain would be in weight when you removed the system.

not sure what that might be? as said the a/c is the only accessory on that belt. Taking it off won't affect anything else at all whatsoever end of story bottom of the 9th you're out.

You guys are way too concerned over that damn ac. Unless you're prepping a full out race car I just don't see the continuous tangible benefit. Just as a point of contention ... The last time I was out on track on the 2nd day I ran with the A/C turned on! I kept forgetting I had it on because I was baking in the car while waiting on grid so I kept it on while I was waiting. When the grid marshall released us I totally forgot turn it off (4 times that day ... yes I'm a little absent minded occasionally). Here's the kicker ... I was almost as fast as I was without it on and passed the same cars that I normally did. In fact there wasn't enough of a difference until I pitted and realized I had cold air blowing in my face (lap times differed by 0.11 ac vs. no ac).

See when I feel that I'm slow around any part of the track or the track as a whole, I don't touch the car. I go find someone who is turning faster times and go look at their line (either by riding along or tailing them next session). Of course this is in relation to our cars (I'm not going to go try and take an AWD line). Most of the time I realize that there is somethings he does better than me and me something better than him. I try to incorporate that into my driving and poof typically after that I can keep up.

I just don't see the belt removal as being beneficial unless you're already at the edge of what the car can do (and honestly does anyone think they are?). I still see the rx8 as a momentum car. I'll do stuff that helps me keep speed rather finding ways to speed up faster. It's not like Nasa TT clocks you from a stop.

Anyway ... my $0.02.

^ +1

Its probably because the A/C shuts down when at WOT. So you really didn't have the A/C on.

Its probably because the A/C shuts down when at WOT. So you really didn't have the A/C on.

Beat me to it.

And I don't see the harm in A/C discussion when the subject is prepping the cars for competitive events where every .01 of a second can be the difference between earning points and not.

Personally, I'll still be driving my RX-8 on the street so I'm not giving up A/C or having a roll cage installed, or do anything drastic.

I dunno ... having a roll cage is just a safety thing. Just like having a harness. I'm honestly to the point where I'm holding back because I don't have a cage.

As for the whole AC thing. Time a lap with the belt on and then time a lap with no belt. Lets see the difference.

I dunno ... having a roll cage is just a safety thing. Just like having a harness. I'm honestly to the point where I'm holding back because I don't have a cage.

As for the whole AC thing. Time a lap with the belt on and then time a lap with no belt. Lets see the difference.

If you drive your car on the street, you are interfering with the safety equipment in the car - airbags. I wouldn't ride in a car with a roll cage without a helmet, the idea of my head hitting one of those metal bars isn't very enticing.

I wouldn't ride in a car with a roll cage without a helmet, the idea of my head hitting one of those metal bars isn't very enticing.

Beat me to it. A street driven car should not have a roll cage. I think I have heard it may even be illegal?

Wow. 4 point cage. ... do you guys really like driving the car at its limits on the track without one? Haven't seen a car roll on track? Watch what happens to hood.

If you drive your car on the street, you are interfering with the safety equipment in the car - airbags. I wouldn't ride in a car with a roll cage without a helmet, the idea of my head hitting one of those metal bars isn't very enticing.

You do know they also wrap the bars in the areas where it could come in contact with you with foam. I'm mean it's not the best but its better than bare metal. And also a 4 point cage is BEHIND you but it will save your head from being smashed in the event of a roll over.

You do know they also wrap the bars in the areas where it could come in contact with you with foam. I'm mean it's not the best but its better than bare metal. And also a 4 point cage is BEHIND you but it will save your head from being smashed in the event of a roll over.

I guess we'll have to leave this as matter of opinion. For my car that gets driven on the street, it's not getting any type of roll cage. I'd rather have my head come into contact with a side curtain air bag than foam around a metal bar.

Yeah, I have seen cars roll at the track.

I can speak on this with some authority, having been a racer and cornerworker in the past.
I would, and have, driven on the street with a roll bar. The main hoop wasn't anywhere near my head. Even with the way a human body streaches in a rollover, I didn't see anyway the head would inpact the bar.
A roll cage, on the other hand is different. the forward leading member, coming from the main hoop, runs past your head. In a smaller sportscar, your head w/helmet is touching it constantly. The padding sold to pad roll cages isn't enough to protect you bare head.

What kind of setup do you run? Is RX-8 competitive in that class?

A friend of mine was the National Champion for TTD last year. He campaigned a Honda S2000 that had formally been used for the Cannonball One Lap of America. He is a really good driver, probably the best that I know.

He borrowed a near stock RX-8 and a TTD legal 2000 Mustang GT for one event at Mid Ohio after he had blown an engine. His times in the RX-8 were a few seconds behind the Mustang which was again a few seconds off the S2000. It's tough to compare stock cars with modified cars but I would have to say that if you were seriously campaigning for TTD, there are better cars to start with the RX-8 (like the S2000).

A friend of mine was the National Champion for TTD last year. He campaigned a Honda S2000 that had formally been used for the Cannonball One Lap of America. He is a really good driver, probably the best that I know.

He borrowed a near stock RX-8 and a TTD legal 2000 Mustang GT for one event at Mid Ohio after he had blown an engine. His times in the RX-8 were a few seconds behind the Mustang which was again a few seconds off the S2000. It's tough to compare stock cars with modified cars but I would have to say that if you were seriously campaigning for TTD, there are better cars to start with the RX-8 (like the S2000).

Good idea. Lets all go trade in right now because last year TTD was won by a modified s2000 that was a few seconds faster than a "near stock" rx8:rolleyes:

What is your friends name and what is his home region?

Good idea. Lets all go trade in right now because last year TTD was won by a modified s2000 that was a few seconds faster than a "near stock" rx8:rolleyes:


I wasn't suggesting that everyone trade in their cars. I was just saying that the RX-8 is not as competitive in the TTD class as some cars. The rules don't particularly favor our car. A 2 seat sportscar like the S2000 would be a a better starting platform. In SCCA Autocross BS class, the RX-8 is very competitive. It is "the car" to have. I don't think it is so competitive for TTD given the current rules.

Obviously, for time trials who is driving makes the most difference. My experience with time attacks is that on some days for whatever reason, the best drivers don't show up and someone ends up with a trophy that perhaps might not otherwise have had the opportunity.


What is your friends name and what is his home region?

Allen Skillicorn, Midwest region. I think he is competing this year but with a different car since he sold the S2000 and bought a spec miata for wheel to wheel racing. I believe he is instructing and running TT (car is a mystery) at the upcoming Autobahn CC event. If you are interested in more info, PM me and perhaps I could put you in touch with him. He's a really nice guy.

A friend of mine was the National Champion for TTD last year. He campaigned a Honda S2000 that had formally been used for the Cannonball One Lap of America. He is a really good driver, probably the best that I know.

He borrowed a near stock RX-8 and a TTD legal 2000 Mustang GT for one event at Mid Ohio after he had blown an engine. His times in the RX-8 were a few seconds behind the Mustang which was again a few seconds off the S2000. It's tough to compare stock cars with modified cars but I would have to say that if you were seriously campaigning for TTD, there are better cars to start with the RX-8 (like the S2000).

I am aware of your friend. He must be one really good driver because I looked at his times on the website results section before getting into this this year and had conceded finishing behind him.

Running virutally stock is very hard. I think it is almost better to add mods and be competitive in C.
I am struggling against a M3 E36 w a pretty good driver + suspension work + R's. He was 1.1s faster this past weekend and I had nothing for him.
Where the frig can I get another second + . He also had a passenger w him.
Granted there was room for me to improve (my driving) but I am not sure I could get a whole second +.:banghead:
I'm leading my region right now but we'll be even by the end of next events and he will pass me in points in the final event unless he has bad luck.....:icon_no2:

I think the RX8 is an OK car to use for TTD but you need to be mindful of your competition, tracks you run and what you want to use your 18 points worth on.

I am aware of your friend. He must be one really good driver because I looked at his times on the website results section before getting into this this year and had conceded finishing behind him.

Running virutally stock is very hard. I think it is almost better to add mods and be competitive in C.
I am struggling against a M3 E36 w a pretty good driver + suspension work + R's. He was 1.1s faster this past weekend and I had nothing for him.
Where the frig can I get another second + . He also had a passenger w him.
Granted there was room for me to improve (my driving) but I am not sure I could get a whole second +.:banghead:
I'm leading my region right now but we'll be even by the end of next events and he will pass me in points in the final event unless he has bad luck.....:icon_no2:

I think the RX8 is an OK car to use for TTD but you need to be mindful of your competition, tracks you run and what you want to use your 18 points worth on.

Hi RX8 JET,
Not sure if you remember, but I think we met at the Windy City BMW event at Road America last year. I had a black RX-8 in a different run group.

As for my friend, yes he's really good. He used to race motorcycles so you know he is completely crazy. In fact, he so good that I think he could race professionally if he had the financial backing. At mid-Ohio, he was 2-3 seconds faster than both the RX-8 driver (me) and the Mustang driver even though he had never driven our cars before. I like to think he was being especially cautious in our cars since he didn't want to crash his friends' cars and also the RX-8 was our only ride home at that point. He also only had a few sessions at Mid Ohio under his belt since his car blew up early in the weekend.

Here in the midwest, we also compete in Time Attack or high speed autocross with the Midwest council of sportscar clubs. My friend has many of the track records in various cars. He's also a former E36 M3 driver.

I know some other guys competing in TTD in the Midwest with E36 M3s, not sure how successfully they are but they are much faster than me.

There was another RX-8 driver (Jay Goldsfarb) competing in TTD last year. I think he ended up going back to a BMW.

Hi RX8 JET,
Not sure if you remember, but I think we met at the Windy City BMW event at Road America last year. I had a black RX-8 in a different run group.

As for my friend, yes he's really good. He used to race motorcycles so you know he is completely crazy. In fact, he so good that I think he could race professionally if he had the financial backing. At mid-Ohio, he was 2-3 seconds faster than both the RX-8 driver (me) and the Mustang driver even though he had never driven our cars before. I like to think he was being especially cautious in our cars since he didn't want to crash his friends' cars and also the RX-8 was our only ride home at that point. He also only had a few sessions at Mid Ohio under his belt since his car blew up early in the weekend.

Here in the midwest, we also compete in Time Attack or high speed autocross with the Midwest council of sportscar clubs. My friend has many of the track records in various cars. He's also a former E36 M3 driver.

I know some other guys competing in TTD in the Midwest with E36 M3s, not sure how successfully they are but they are much faster than me.

There was another RX-8 driver (Jay Goldsfarb) competing in TTD last year. I think he ended up going back to a BMW.

Hi RB,

I remember you now that you referenced where we met. Hope all is well with you. Doing this TTD thing has caused me to miss this year's RA event. I miss RA. I love that track. Doing TTD has made me miss out quite a few places I normally roam (Mosport, Watkins Glen, etc.) I did get to do Gratten because of TTD.

The E36 is not a bad car to use. It has decent power/torque and handles quite well with a fair selection of aftermarket mods. so you can make it a very useable pkg.....certainly enough to kick my _ _ _!!!

Hi RB,

I remember you now that you referenced where we met. Hope all is well with you. Doing this TTD thing has caused me to miss this year's RA event. I miss RA. I love that track. Doing TTD has made me miss out quite a few places I normally roam (Mosport, Watkins Glen, etc.) I did get to do Gratten because of TTD.

The E36 is not a bad car to use. It has decent power/torque and handles quite well with a fair selection of aftermarket mods. so you can make it a very useable pkg.....certainly enough to kick my _ _ _!!!

I like Road America too but every time I go there the weather is so bad. I was there back in October with NASA last year and it rained and snowed for parts of both days.

Grattan and Mid Ohio are my favorite tracks though.

Unfortunately, I haven't done any events this year but I'm going to Putnam with the Windy City BMW club next month for a driving school.

Good luck with the time trials and those E36s.

I like Road America too but every time I go there the weather is so bad. I was there back in October with NASA last year and it rained and snowed for parts of both days.

Grattan and Mid Ohio are my favorite tracks though.

Unfortunately, I haven't done any events this year but I'm going to Putnam with the Windy City BMW club next month for a driving school.

Good luck with the time trials and those E36s.

What's Putnam like? I will need to go in October I fear .... any secrets or things that can help me be competitive? My BMW buddy (actually a nice guy) has knowledge there so I already am at a disadvantage.

What's Putnam like? I will need to go in October I fear .... any secrets or things that can help me be competitive? My BMW buddy (actually a nice guy) has knowledge there so I already am at a disadvantage.

I'll PM you once I get back. I haven't been there before. I've heard that it is a pretty safe track (like Gingerman) where you can really push the car without worrying about hitting too many walls.

Windy City BMW went there last year for the first time instead of Grattan and everyone seemed to like the track.

Grattan was in pretty bad need of maintenance and resurfacing the last time they were there. Has any recent work been done to improve Grattan?

I'll PM you once I get back. I haven't been there before. I've heard that it is a pretty safe track (like Gingerman) where you can really push the car without worrying about hitting too many walls.

Windy City BMW went there last year for the first time instead of Grattan and everyone seemed to like the track.

Grattan was in pretty bad need of maintenance and resurfacing the last time they were there. Has any recent work been done to improve Grattan?

Absolutely not.....I wouldn't call it pretty bad (I probably have a lower expectation)but it does need help.... no damage to car, didn't really eat tires, just bumpy....but then again, I probably more lightly sprung compared to other guys running...

A friend of mine was the National Champion for TTD last year. He campaigned a Honda S2000 that had formally been used for the Cannonball One Lap of America. He is a really good driver, probably the best that I know.

He borrowed a near stock RX-8 and a TTD legal 2000 Mustang GT for one event at Mid Ohio after he had blown an engine. His times in the RX-8 were a few seconds behind the Mustang which was again a few seconds off the S2000. It's tough to compare stock cars with modified cars but I would have to say that if you were seriously campaigning for TTD, there are better cars to start with the RX-8 (like the S2000).

What kind of tires were on the RX-8 and the Mustang?

As in most other forms of motorsports, tires are the #1 most important aspect of the car. If your "near stock" RX-8 was on Falkens or RE01Rs or some other street tire, I would expect a 3-4 second difference per lap over the V710s that Allen used on the S2000, without any other changes.

What kind of tires were on the RX-8 and the Mustang?

As in most other forms of motorsports, tires are the #1 most important aspect of the car. If your "near stock" RX-8 was on Falkens or RE01Rs or some other street tire, I would expect a 3-4 second difference per lap over the V710s that Allen used on the S2000, without any other changes.

RX-8 was on Falkens, Mustang was on some sort of R Comps.

He ran a 1:52.2 in my car and 1:48.8 in the stang, both on the same day. Not sure what he ran in the s2000 that day but he later ran a 1:44.8 at Nationals.

Tough to compare the different days because the first times were right after the track was resurfaced in spring 2006 and the national time was run in the fall after a season of rubber had been laid down on the track.

RX-8 was on Falkens, Mustang was on some sort of R Comps.

He ran a 1:52.2 in my car and 1:48.8 in the stang, both on the same day. Not sure what he ran in the s2000 that day but he later ran a 1:44.8 at Nationals.

Tough to compare the different days because the first times were right after the track was resurfaced in spring 2006 and the national time was run in the fall after a season of rubber had been laid down on the track.

So on a green track at a local event in an unfamiliar “almost stock” car on Falken street tires he was 7.4 seconds slower than he was on a rubbered track at the National Championship in his own prepped car on Kumho V710s? No offense, but I’d hardly call that conclusive evidence that the RX-8 is overmatched in TTD.

So on a green track at a local event in an unfamiliar “almost stock” car on Falken street tires he was 7.4 seconds slower than he was on a rubbered track at the National Championship in his own prepped car on Kumho V710s? No offense, but I’d hardly call that conclusive evidence that the RX-8 is overmatched in TTD.


+1

also you admittedly said (you think) he was holding something back as that car was going to be the ride home that weekend.

Seems like a pretty evenly matched pair of cars if comparably setup.

The way I have spec'd out my 18 points on this car there is no doubt in my mind the driver is going to be the limiting factor.

+1

also you admittedly said (you think) he was holding something back as that car was going to be the ride home that weekend.

Seems like a pretty evenly matched pair of cars if comparably setup.

The way I have spec'd out my 18 points on this car there is no doubt in my mind the driver is going to be the limiting factor.


Well, best of luck to you and everyone else. :icon_tup:

BTW, How many TTDs have you won so far with your RX-8?


I didn't say it couldn't be done, only that the RX-8 is not the class killer that it is in BS autocross and it wouldn't be my first choice.

Well, best of luck to you and everyone else. :icon_tup:

BTW, How many TTDs have you won so far with your RX-8?


I didn't say it couldn't be done, only that the RX-8 is not the class killer that it is in BS autocross and it wouldn't be my first choice.

I've won as many as I've competed in.

I just read the classifications and it takes 20 points to move up 1 class. That means you can add 19 points of mods and stay in class.

I think the RX8 will face some tough competition in this class. You would be battling it out with the likes of E36 M3s that can spend 19 points. Or you may encounter V8 Mustangs that class in TTE with 14 points base that can be made to handle extremely well and make more power with 25 points to spend. Another contender would be a Porsche 944 Turbo with 19 points to spend on tires and suspension. In short we will be down on power on tracks with long straights or tracks that have hairpins leading on to a straight where the lack of torque kills us.

That said, I am going to see how I do in August at Road Atlanta. My points are as follows:
Toyo RA1 Tires: 5 pts
Bilstein shocks: 3 pts
RB springs: 2 pts
RB Sway bar: 2 pts
RB Intake: 1 pt
RB Catback: 1 pt
Agency crank pulley: 1 pt

Total: 15 points with 4 to spend. Since I am not trying to win a championship and am just after the fun factor, I am not too concerned about figuring out how to spend those last 4 points. I'll run what I brung and see how I do.

Well, best of luck to you and everyone else. :icon_tup:

BTW, How many TTDs have you won so far with your RX-8?


I didn't say it couldn't be done, only that the RX-8 is not the class killer that it is in BS autocross and it wouldn't be my first choice.

Wow, how many autocrosses have you won in your 8?

:lol:

So can anyone think of any other treadwear 100 tires other than the Toyo RA-1?

Nitto NT01

Nitto NT01

Have you even considered running Time Trial with your GA group?

It just seems that Toyo or maybe Kumho would be better, just based on the fact that they offer a contingency program, but I guess you have to win first before they throw money at you anyway.

This looks like it could be handy for someone...

http://www.roadsters.com/tires/#tires

I track with TA and will also be starting TTD for the fun of it.
my mods are this
hoosier 225/45/17--since this is down 20mm from the astandard 245 the hoosiers come out only 6 points and the 225 hoosier is as wide as a 235 other!
midpipe
rb intake
konis with tein h springs and rb bars
rb catback exhaust
agency pulley
with the weight factor i think we can have fun-- at least within our own groups.
olddragger

I'm really surprised no one has mentioned using the RB race flash, or the eventual Accessport once it's released...either of these for sure will go into my car for TTD.

I was considering forgoing spending a bunch of money on shocks/springs until after maybe next season and instead using the points towards a softer compound tire such as the hoosiers in 245 width. I would go wider but that would necessitate buying a set of wheels and I don't need another set of wheels sitting around. 3 + whats on the car is probably enough :lol2:

I'm really surprised no one has mentioned using the RB race flash, or the eventual Accessport once it's released...either of these for sure will go into my car for TTD.

I'd love to get it for mine too but its +4. Car isn't blazing fast as it is and I just don't think it's gonna help that much ... not more than anything that'll make the car handle better.

But, I guess it really does depend on the track you're at. If it has some long straights it might be worth it.

I'd love to get it for mine too but its +4. Car isn't blazing fast as it is and I just don't think it's gonna help that much ... not more than anything that'll make the car handle better.

But, I guess it really does depend on the track you're at. If it has some long straights it might be worth it.

I have my points down at home, but I have been planning:
Coilovers (already have)
Sway Bars (already have)
245 RA1s
high flow cat (already have)
Accessport

I want to say this put me right at 18 points, but I might be forgetting something...I'm thinking the extra ~15whp is significant enough to go with it...but who knows...

15whp is roughly an 8% gain in peak power. I really don't think I'd give up 4 points in tires or suspension for 15 peak whp.

I have my points down at home, but I have been planning:
Coilovers (already have)
Sway Bars (already have)
245 RA1s
high flow cat (already have)
Accessport

I want to say this put me right at 18 points, but I might be forgetting something...I'm thinking the extra ~15whp is significant enough to go with it...but who knows...

what i have down here is

coilovers +5
sway bars +2
RA1's +5
flash +5
cat +1
exhaust +1

--------------------------------
19pts

what i have down here is

coilovers +5
sway bars +2
RA1's +5
flash +5
cat +1
exhaust +1

--------------------------------
19pts

I was counting like putting the OEM cat back on the car again...

As for the extra 15whp...it's definitely not a lot, but definitely something...with the Accessport I should be able to flash back and forth anyways...so we'll see.

good, maybe ill just pick that hiflow up off you then.:Peace:

good, maybe ill just pick that hiflow up off you then.:Peace:

Nope...didn't mean catalytic converter, meant cat back...hence why I wrote "again" at the end of the sentence.

d'oh. you have mail.

Nope...didn't mean catalytic converter, meant cat back...hence why I wrote "again" at the end of the sentence.If it's lighter than OEM then it may be worth +1.

When Porsche asked Mark Donahue how they could make the 917-30 better, he told them to give me more power.

for a turbo 12 cylinder, you could use more POWER

you can expect 12+ whp from the AP alone ...

what about with a synthetic hyper gallactic underoverdrive shift kit?

^ that bumps you up to TTC

I am struggling against a M3 E36 w a pretty good driver + suspension work + R's. He was 1.1s faster this past weekend and I had nothing for him.
Where the frig can I get another second + . He also had a passenger w him.
Granted there was room for me to improve (my driving) but I am not sure I could get a whole second +.:banghead:
I'm leading my region right now but we'll be even by the end of next events and he will pass me in points in the final event unless he has bad luck.....:icon_no2:

I think the RX8 is an OK car to use for TTD but you need to be mindful of your competition, tracks you run and what you want to use your 18 points worth on.

It seems the E36 M3 could be the car to beat this year.

The Midwest Region TTD is currently being led by a guy I know who drives an E36 M3. Last weekend he broke the 2006 national champ's (Allen S.) record at Autobahn South. I think he has a good shot at nationals this year. He has a lot of resources at his disposals including time since he has his wife doing HPDE at the track with him. Track wife=priceless. :cool:

There is also a pretty fast guy from Minnesota in a stock S2000 with Hoosiers who is also doing well in Midwest although he only finished third at Autobahn.

Congrats on leading your region and good luck the rest of the year. Maybe the E36 guy in your region will money shift (drivers of the E36 are known to do that) or something... Are there any tracks left on your schedule where you have an advantage in experience?

It seems the E36 M3 could be the car to beat this year.

The Midwest Region TTD is currently being led by a guy I know who drives an E36 M3. Last weekend he broke the 2006 national champ's (Allen S.) record at Autobahn South. I think he has a good shot at nationals this year. He has a lot of resources at his disposals including time since he has his wife doing HPDE at the track with him. Track wife=priceless. :cool:

There is also a pretty fast guy from Minnesota in a stock S2000 with Hoosiers who is also doing well in Midwest although he only finished third at Autobahn.

Congrats on leading your region and good luck the rest of the year. Maybe the E36 guy in your region will money shift (drivers of the E36 are known to do that) or something... Are there any tracks left on your schedule where you have an advantage in experience?

Unfortunately, he has the advantage. Mid-Ohio in Aug & Putnam (new to me vs he has been there before) in Oct. Chances are I'm not going to make the long haul to Indiana in Oct. unless I can get my act together and win in Aug. I can only try my best.....

buy a track mate--time to analyze. There is always a second somewhere.
Olddragger

buy a track mate--time to analyze. There is always a second somewhere.
Olddragger


Yep. Think of it this way ... if you can find .1 sec on each turn somehow ... on a 10 turn track that is 1 second. But if you can get something to analyze you should be able to determine how your section times look and break it down to where you can make up time.

I ran my first TT this past weekend at Road Atlanta in my RX8 with NASA-SE and was glad to get my first 2 wins. I earned top spot on Saturday and on Sunday. My real competition in the class was a BMW 528i that had a bunch of work done to it. I don't even know if it was legally running in the correct class. It had a motor swap running a 3.5 liter inline 6, coilovers and other suspension goodies, race exhaust with no cat, RA1s in the right size for TTD, fully gutted interior (even the dash removed and replaced with an aluminum plate with guages in it) and a cage. I beat him on Saturday by .1 seconds. I ran a 1.46.901 and he ran 1.47.013. On Sunday I ran a 1.46.111 and he ran 1.46.387.
The coolest thing was that I outran a bunch of TTC, TTB, and TTA drivers all weekend as well. There are still several seconds to be found for me at the track but I don't know how much harder I want to push.
http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=105814&stc=1&d=1187052555

Full results here (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showevent.jsp?id=238939). I was in 85X.

^ way to go!!!!

I ran my first TT this past weekend at Road Atlanta in my RX8 with NASA-SE and was glad to get my first 2 wins. I earned top spot on Saturday and on Sunday. My real competition in the class was a BMW 528i that had a bunch of work done to it. I don't even know if it was legally running in the correct class. It had a motor swap running a 3.5 liter inline 6, coilovers and other suspension goodies, race exhaust with no cat, RA1s in the right size for TTD, fully gutted interior (even the dash removed and replaced with an aluminum plate with guages in it) and a cage. I beat him on Saturday by .1 seconds. I ran a 1.46.901 and he ran 1.47.013. On Sunday I ran a 1.46.111 and he ran 1.46.387.
The coolest thing was that I outran a bunch of TTC, TTB, and TTA drivers all weekend as well. There are still several seconds to be found for me at the track but I don't know how much harder I want to push.
http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=105814&stc=1&d=1187052555

Full results here (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showevent.jsp?id=238939). I was in 85X.

So in person was the one on the right better looking then the one on the left? OH and congrats.

So in person was the one on the right better looking then the one on the left? OH and congrats.

don't answer that for him, he's married. Answer it for me.

Congrats TA.

Awesome Track Addict!

They are both married (not to each other though:(). I also am married so I didn't even notice their short shorts, tight tops, or nice endowments pressed up against me. And my left hand is not where you think.

On an additional note, the track record for Road Atlanta for TTD was 1.46.34
Since I ran 1.46.111, I am the proud holder of said record (for the time being anyway). I can't wait for them to update the website so I can screen capture it as proof.

TA we may need to start thinking about some kind of roll bar. We are all getting faster and faster. RA is unforgiving.
Oh by the way all--THATS MY BUD! You go man
olddragger

They are both married (not to each other though:(). I also am married so I didn't even notice their short shorts, tight tops, or nice endowments pressed up against me. And my left hand is not where you think.

On an additional note, the track record for Road Atlanta for TTD was 1.46.34
Since I ran 1.46.111, I am the proud holder of said record (for the time being anyway). I can't wait for them to update the website so I can screen capture it as proof.

Just because were on a diet it doesn't mean we can't look at the menu:rolleyes:

Just because were on a diet it doesn't mean we can't look at the menu:rolleyes:
Diets suck! Sampling the menu would rock especially if you could have some from column A while having some from column B.

This thread has deteriorated and I apologize for that.:spank:

Diets suck! Sampling the menu would rock especially if you could have some from column A while having some from column B.

This thread has deteriorated and I apologize for that.:spank:

I take it your wife doesn't read the forums?:lol2:

Mine doesn't :)

I ran my first TT this past weekend at Road Atlanta in my RX8 with NASA-SE and was glad to get my first 2 wins. I earned top spot on Saturday and on Sunday. My real competition in the class was a BMW 528i that had a bunch of work done to it. I don't even know if it was legally running in the correct class. It had a motor swap running a 3.5 liter inline 6, coilovers and other suspension goodies, race exhaust with no cat, RA1s in the right size for TTD, fully gutted interior (even the dash removed and replaced with an aluminum plate with guages in it) and a cage. I beat him on Saturday by .1 seconds. I ran a 1.46.901 and he ran 1.47.013. On Sunday I ran a 1.46.111 and he ran 1.46.387.
The coolest thing was that I outran a bunch of TTC, TTB, and TTA drivers all weekend as well. There are still several seconds to be found for me at the track but I don't know how much harder I want to push.



Congrats on the wins :worship:

i have decided not to do TT without more safety equipment. At the speeds we go now and on some unforgiving tracks-imho it aint worth it.
olddragger

i have decided not to do TT without more safety equipment. At the speeds we go now and on some unforgiving tracks-imho it aint worth it.
olddragger

I'm guessing you are over 26 years old?

over twice that!!
olddragger

I ran my first TT this past weekend at Road Atlanta in my RX8 with NASA-SE and was glad to get my first 2 wins. I earned top spot on Saturday and on Sunday. My real competition in the class was a BMW 528i that had a bunch of work done to it. I don't even know if it was legally running in the correct class. It had a motor swap running a 3.5 liter inline 6, coilovers and other suspension goodies, race exhaust with no cat, RA1s in the right size for TTD, fully gutted interior (even the dash removed and replaced with an aluminum plate with guages in it) and a cage. I beat him on Saturday by .1 seconds. I ran a 1.46.901 and he ran 1.47.013. On Sunday I ran a 1.46.111 and he ran 1.46.387.
The coolest thing was that I outran a bunch of TTC, TTB, and TTA drivers all weekend as well. There are still several seconds to be found for me at the track but I don't know how much harder I want to push.
http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=105814&stc=1&d=1187052555

Full results here (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showevent.jsp?id=238939). I was in 85X.

Are you going to Nationals?

I won't make Nationals. I have only 1 weekend in TT so I wouldn't have qualified to go anyway. I will compete at Roebling Road in Sept and Barber Motorsports Park in November. I will be aiming for the TTD track records there too. Roebling shouldn't be too hard to do. We'll see about Barber though...

On an additional note, the track record for Road Atlanta for TTD was 1.46.34
Since I ran 1.46.111, I am the proud holder of said record (for the time being anyway). I can't wait for them to update the website so I can screen capture it as proof.
WooHoo!! First TTD and the TTD track record. The website has been updated and I get my moment of infamy.

http://nasa-tt.com/Southeast_Track_Records

Hope the competiton at Roebling and Barber stays home...

WooHoo!! First TTD and the TTD track record. The website has been updated and I get my moment of infamy.

http://nasa-tt.com/Southeast_Track_Records

Hope the competiton at Roebling and Barber stays home...

Its a good think I listened to the guy that said the RX8 wouldn't be competitive in TTD and went out and bought an e36.:icon_tup:

yep, we sure do do have some BMW humpers here

I'm debating whether to keep my BM-Trouble-You E36 as a track whore and just go balls-out lightening it. :scratchhe It has about $15k of good stuff on it, but without the mods, the car is only worth about $2500. It would be silly to try to sell all the parts and then buy similar ones for another car. I could hang it out a lot farther with that as a beater than I could with my new 8 and not worry as much about the consequences of a mistake. The car pisses me off when I want it to be new and nice (which the 8 will be), but it's pretty darn good on the track. :ylsuper:

Not caring about the cosmetic trim anymore would make it a much better car instantly.

Proposed setup:
Totally stock RX-8, with freebie mods.

275/35-18 Hoosiers, 17 pts.
Anti-roll bars, 2 pts.

I can hang with almost anyone on theoretical what-ifs, I'd rather hear from people who know about the abilities of the stock spring and damper rates to handle that. Would you be faster on, say, 265/35-18 Neovas and all the other suspension, etc. that you could then use?

Thoughts?

You would need some hellacious sway bars to pull that off. Then I still think you will be asking the OEM shocks to pull duty they were not designed for. Its far from ideal, IMO, but probably could be done. It would depend on who showed up in your region on any given weekend that would determine how competitive you were egionally.

I've discussed this at length with a couple of members and I feel the car needs some more power to be really competitive at the national level. Nothing serious but another 15-20whp for the longer straights. Thats why I have budgeted a high flow cat (or no cat) and a ECU flash into my points and will use the alternate weight reduction method to trim some weight from the car for free.

Oh and I agree using an older car that you already have that is not worth much and not a DD is a better option. I was simply comenting on that because its been said the rx8 can't be competitive in TTD and the XXX car (s2000, e36 m3, etc) will be the car to beat/dominating the rx8. I think (at the regional level at least) TrackAddict put that theory to bed.

Solar - I would definately keep the E36 as the track car. Lighten it and put in a bar or cage. If you decide to compete in TTD with the RX8, I would stay with 245 width tires and use up the rest of the points to upgrade springs, shocks, and sways. You end up spending 17 pts. The last 2 points can go to something like the RB race exhaust and their intake for a few more ponies up top. According to the latest GRM tests, a set of shaved NT01 can be as fast as Hoosiers. That would free up a lot points to spend on suspension. You could actually do 275s then...

Mac - I don't think I proved anything yet. One good weekend could be because the "fast guys" didn't show up. I really think an equal driver in an E36 M3 with class specific mods could hand me my ass. Same with an S2K. The RX8 is superb in corners and quick direction changes but really suffers exiting slower coners.

Mac - I don't think I proved anything yet. One good weekend could be because the "fast guys" didn't show up. I really think an equal driver in an E36 M3 with class specific mods could hand me my ass. Same with an S2K. The RX8 is superb in corners and quick direction changes but really suffers exiting slower coners.

I wasn't necessarily pointing to the place you finished on a given weekend because - as you mentioned - we don't know who did or didn't show up. But to hang the track record in class shows the potential of the car when driven properly and that is a figure independent of who was on the track that specific weekend.

I'm just saying its not the dog of the class and should stop being treated as such by some.

WooHoo!! First TTD and the TTD track record. The website has been updated and I get my moment of infamy.

http://nasa-tt.com/Southeast_Track_Records

:biggthump

You sir deserve it!

WooHoo!! First TTD and the TTD track record. The website has been updated and I get my moment of infamy.

http://nasa-tt.com/Southeast_Track_Records

Hope the competiton at Roebling and Barber stays home...

Congrats on the track record. Good luck with the next tracks.

http://www.retroimg.com/work/hindenburg.jpg

oOoOo...pretty colors.

oOoOo...pretty colors.

das is ein e36

das is ein e36

Now I can see why everyone wants one.

well---i dont know that the eight would be such a push over on the corner exits either if you drop the gearing a little with 17" wheels and a 40 sidewall tire. Believe me it does change the character of the car on corner exit. recently a s2 and oldrer model track prepared 3 series DID NOT PULL ME ON THE STRAIGHTS. I have the midpipe, RB intake, underdrive pulley(mostly for temp control)--new coils and plugs and was running 1 oz of pre mix per gallon. True it may have been the driver--but road atlanta has a long back straight and it was consistant. This engine has a lot of rpm but the powerband is not as wide as some may think. So gearing is of great importance.
one thing about the hoosiers is that they do run wide--so for ttd get the autocross hoosier(A6) in a 235 sized and that should be enough. TA was running on second hand RA's---you go dude!
lot of other stuff could be talked about.
olddragger

das is ein e36

All too close. The trainers for the dealer techs called it the Hubble when it came out, because it was launched and put out there, and then had to get fixed again and again.

Mine has most of the standard problems. But 80 percent of them stop being problems when you finally accept that the car is a track slut and allow yourself to only care about passing the 50/50 rule.

Okay, I'll shut up about this car on this forum now. Sorry for the OT.

well---i dont know that the eight would be such a push over on the corner exits either if you drop the gearing a little with 17" wheels and a 40 sidewall tire. Believe me it does change the character of the car on corner exit. recently a s2 and oldrer model track prepared 3 series DID NOT PULL ME ON THE STRAIGHTS. I have the midpipe, RB intake, underdrive pulley(mostly for temp control)--new coils and plugs and was running 1 oz of pre mix per gallon. True it may have been the driver--but road atlanta has a long back straight and it was consistant. This engine has a lot of rpm but the powerband is not as wide as some may think. So gearing is of great importance.
one thing about the hoosiers is that they do run wide--so for ttd get the autocross hoosier(A6) in a 235 sized and that should be enough. TA was running on second hand RA's---you go dude!
lot of other stuff could be talked about.
olddragger

how is clearance with the brakes?

how is clearance with the brakes?

that will depend on the offset of the specific tire but the 17" diameter is fine. Thats what RSD, RD and myself use for winter size wheels.

The Hoosier A6 will be either 225 or 245, no 235 size

how is clearance with the brakes?
I know the RPO3 will clear the Sport brakes, SilverEIGHT has a set of those, and they cleared fine. He has them for sale now. OD has the RPO1 in a 17", and it also clears OK. The Enkei RSM or something like that, does not clear. Not all 17's will. As mentioned, discuss it with people who have winter wheels in that size. Your problem will be, not all of those will be much lighter than stock, since their purpose is more utilitarian. That is why I mentioned the Enkei's that I know will fit.

I would be willing to go out on a limb and say the RPF1's will fit.

Just finished up my first weekend running with NASA. I must say it was a very well run event. Got some great instruction, met some really great people, got a TON of track time, had absolutely fantastic weather all weekend and had a lot of fun.

I think we also got another member hooked.

And to anyone who hasn't been there Gingerman is a great track.

The 2007 TTD National Champion's Car

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e297/cosM3os/100_1131.jpg

wow, I must have missed logging into BWMclub.com

wow, I must have missed logging into BWMclub.com

do you prefer www.fan.boi.com?

corrected again--I dont know why i keep doing that----damn Hoosiers do not come in a 235 size 40 sidewall 17". RA 1's do.
damn-damn-damn
olddragger

corrected again--I dont know why i keep doing that----damn Hoosiers do not come in a 235 size 40 sidewall 17". RA 1's do.
damn-damn-damn
olddragger

Hoosiers are a TON of points in time trials. RA1's/R888/NT01's look like the tires to run. Great gip and leave plenty of points to spend in other areas.

Hoosiers are a TON of points in time trials. RA1's/R888/NT01's look like the tires to run. Great gip and leave plenty of points to spend in other areas.

Is it better then to give up some grip for say suspension items? I am struggling to find items that make "noticeable" power and that are of any value ($/performance)?
I currently am in the "tires are everything" camp so I run Hoosiers but right now it is a lot of $ and I am running virtually a stock setup compared to guys like those "pictures" which are well modified. I am now keeping up to these guys.

Any thoughts?

Is it better then to give up some grip for say suspension items? I am struggling to find items that make "noticeable" power and that are of any value ($/performance)?
I currently am in the "tires are everything" camp so I run Hoosiers but right now it is a lot of $ and I am running virtually a stock setup compared to guys like those "pictures" which are well modified. I am now keeping up to these guys.

Any thoughts?

Power wise a catless mid-pipe, lightweight wheels are about the best options.

Suspension wise get the fatest sway bars you can. They are only 2 points and you will corner flat, which will allow you to dial in a ton more camber and corner harder.

Suspension wise get the fatest sway bars you can.Unless your rules forbid spring changes, this sounds like overly simplistic advice. There's a "right" sway bar stiffness which varies based on your spring rates and other setup. You don't see F1 cars running the fattest sway bars they can -- they use the right bar for the situation, and you should as well.

we changed to a road race spring setup (800/400) after Packwood on on the STU car and tested between the stiff and soft bars. The stiff bars (Progress Technology, stiffest bars available for the RX-8) were faster and felt better even on street tires and the HPT Nats surface. I was sort of surprised, my anticipation is that the softer bars would allow the car to be faster in the turns and hook up better accelerating out, but the opposite actually occurred.

Unless your rules forbid spring changes, this sounds like overly simplistic advice. There's a "right" sway bar stiffness which varies based on your spring rates and other setup. You don't see F1 cars running the fattest sway bars they can -- they use the right bar for the situation, and you should as well.

I understand this but it sounds like the guy is running a completely factory suspension as of now with a TON of tire under it. Doing only sway bars is a band-aid, no doubt. But a cheap, easy, effective band-aid. And we are talking about time trials here. no one is making enough money off this sport to justify a different bar for every track yet.

thing about a hoosier is that you can run a 225/45-17 which is good for the points(size wise) but the hoosier always run wide so the actual size is not a true 225.
Mine was $200 for the set so they were hard to turn down.
On Mods---get the brakes to the best you can--with the 8 this is one way to make time.
Sways? Dont forget the endlinks. Stocks have been known to bend.
Definity go with a 17" wheel.
olddragger

OD, you are picking up used slicks from race teams right?

Sways? Dont forget the endlinks. Stocks have been known to bend.

olddragger


Have to strongly disagree. I'm running the stiffest RX-8 bars out there; 1.25" OD x 0.25 wall front and 3/4" solid rear, using OE endlinks without issue.

Only people I know who had an OE endlink issue did so because they installed the rear bar upsde down, which causes it to hit the subframe

thing about a hoosier is that you can run a 225/45-17 which is good for the points(size wise) but the hoosier always run wide so the actual size is not a true 225.
Mine was $200 for the set so they were hard to turn down.
On Mods---get the brakes to the best you can--with the 8 this is one way to make time.
Sways? Dont forget the endlinks. Stocks have been known to bend.
Definity go with a 17" wheel.
olddragger

I've been following your threads about the 17" wheel and change in "gearing" it provides....sounds interesting to try.

What did you do to the brakes to improve?

I am using the Mazdaspeed anti-sways (F & R). Would I do that much better w something else?
I know the Eibach's I use are way soft and that I would really need to do the following:

1) backoff on the Hoosiers and go to a lesser tire - ex. Toyo's
2) replace Eibach spring with something stiffer and change OEM shock to _______
3) go from 18" to 17" wheels
4) ??

I've been following your threads about the 17" wheel and change in "gearing" it provides....sounds interesting to try.

What did you do to the brakes to improve?

I am using the Mazdaspeed anti-sways (F & R). Would I do that much better w something else?
I know the Eibach's I use are way soft and that I would really need to do the following:

1) backoff on the Hoosiers and go to a lesser tire - ex. Toyo's
2) replace Eibach spring with something stiffer and change OEM shock to _______
3) go from 18" to 17" wheels
4) ??



The greatest upgrade you can do for the breaks is upgrade the pad compound. Lots of people around here use the Carbotech XP-8 compound as a track day pad.

XP-8's are great track pads.

XP-8's are great track pads.

how many track days are you getting out of a set of XP-8's, and are the track brake intensive? I just bought another set of HP+, and will see how long they last with my new found use of the brake pedal. I am just curious to see if the added cost of the XP-8's offset them lasting longer. TIA.

how many track days are you getting out of a set of XP-8's, and are the track brake intensive? I just bought another set of HP+, and will see how long they last with my new found use of the brake pedal. I am just curious to see if the added cost of the XP-8's offset them lasting longer. TIA.

I used a set of XP-8s on my last car, Hyundai Tiburon, for an entire track season and had more than half a pad left.

I've put 400 track miles on the set I have on the RX8 this summer and they look almost brand new.

The tracks on the tiburon were Gingerman, very brake intensive - short tight technical track www.gingermanraceway.com, and Road America which is also pretty brake intensive from the high speeds www.roadamerica.com

All 400 miles on the RX are from gingerman.


Blue, didn't you have some trouble with HP+'s a while back?

L8, how much time are you seeing from those HP+'s?

then they may be worth it. I used up 60% of my HP+ at CMP, which is very hard on brakes, multiple braking zones from 100+. that was one event, my first where I really learned to stand on them. I might try out the XP'8's next season.

Thanks for the input.

then they may be worth it. I used up 60% of my HP+ at CMP, which is very hard on brakes, multiple braking zones from 100+. that was one event, my first where I really learned to stand on them. I might try out the XP'8's next season.

Thanks for the input.

For reference Gingerman has 2 Braking zones from 90-95mph and 2 from 80+

Road America has 3 zones from 120-130 area.

wow, we don't have a single track where we hit 120+ more than once. I can't imagine three times a lap, that must be fun.

It's actually kind of frustrating. Just think about what the cars with twice our horsepower do on those straights.

One of the RX7 guys in the area has some track vids up from this track.

Keep in mind he has a ~400whp FD...

http://myrx7.com/

http://www.myrx7.com/movies/

how many track days are you getting out of a set of XP-8's, and are the track brake intensive? I just bought another set of HP+, and will see how long they last with my new found use of the brake pedal. I am just curious to see if the added cost of the XP-8's offset them lasting longer. TIA.

I get a lot of time out of the XP-8's, they seem to wear like iron too. However the stopping power is amazing too.

wow, we don't have a single track where we hit 120+ more than once. I can't imagine three times a lap, that must be fun.

mac is right, coming up the hill on the front straight is normally a good spot to let the Corvettes go by, since you are barely accelerating at WOT

are the XP-8's rough on rotors at all?

are the XP-8's rough on rotors at all?

They aren't ceramic crap box's you get at autozone but you won't see your rotors getting thin much quicker with them either. BlueRenesis is the only one in our group I've ever seen have to swap rotors and that didn't seem to have anything to do with them being worn.

are the XP-8's rough on rotors at all?

Not that I have seen. They seem to wear quite nicely.

I have ran xp 8's for 2 years. I will not run anything else for open track:)
xp 8's up fron and bobcats in the back. just swap the fronts for track days. They modulate really really good-makes trailing easier. ground can be gained by trailing......:) Awsome pads--Awesome.
Team--whats speeds are you getting too? How long are the G's on your suspenion, rumble strips under load etc etc. I dont think you open track do you? I may be wrong. You certainly have a lot more experience than I in dealing with the different set ups, but there have been some limited occurances of sway bar ends getting out of sorts.
Tires are a matter of choice. and yep--- i run throw a ways. That 1/2 sec diference doesnt bother me! To look at some of them they look brand new. Besides I am not rich (by much anyway) or sponsered or looking fo a national title etc.
Go with the 17's--you will be glad you did.
Suspenion set up is another personnel thing--what works for one driver may not work for the other.
olddragger

I will try running XP8's front and rear next season as I have a need for rear brake pads anyway.

This weekend will be interesting. Last years SE TTD points winner will be at Roebling Road in his E36 M3. I hope I can stay close...

This weekend will be interesting. Last years SE TTD points winner will be at Roebling Road in his E36 M3. I hope I can stay close...

We're cheering for you! And we want full details.

This weekend will be interesting. Last years SE TTD points winner will be at Roebling Road in his E36 M3. I hope I can stay close...

very cool, that will be good for you, you can see how you compare to his times.

but biased as I am, I hope you own him. :)

^ +1, good luck.

What a great weekend for Time Trialing in Savannah, GA.

Good News - I won on Sat and Sunday

Bad News - the E36 M3 didn't show up so I still don't know I would have done.

Good news - I think that the RX8 could beat the E36 around the track because it is such a momentum track. A TTE Miata was .6 seconds slower than me which shows that a well driven car at Roebling Road can overcome huge hp deficits. Granted the Miata guy is supposedly the regional SCCA Champ so it is trully a well driven machine.

My best time of the weekend was 1:24.21 which was 8th overall out of 30 entrants. The other times were as follows:


1:19.811 TTS Dodge SRT-4 (this guy ran the one lap of america and finished in 3 overall IIRC. As you can tell from his classing, he makes a lot of hp)
1:20.144 TTS Porsche GT3
1:20.881 TTA Corvette
1:22.083 TTA (TTC) RX8 (this car is driven by ROAR Racing's Rob Whitener. It is a street car with lots of parts off the race cars. It should class in TTC but Rob asked to be bumped up in class as he felt he had an unfair advantage over the other TTC competitiors. Not only is he a class act but he is absolutely awesome around Roebling as you can tell from his time. Apparently Jon Krolowicz of AMS EVO Time Attack fame and One Lap fame jumped in Robs car and clicked off a 1:23)
1:23.078 TTS Mustang
1:23.521 TTA Corvette
1:23.840 TTS FFR Cobra
1:24.210 TTD RX8 (Previous TTD track record is 1:29.14)
1:24.399 TTA Mustang
1:24.634 TTB Mustang
The list continues with an assortment of TTA - TTG competitors.

(KurtBob - I think my head swelled a little bit more since yesterday. I may need a new helmet :D: )

So you absolutely anihilated the TTD track record, again? Good work.

What a great weekend for Time Trialing in Savannah, GA.

Good News - I won on Sat and Sunday

Bad News - the E36 M3 didn't show up so I still don't know I would have done.

Good news - I think that the RX8 could beat the E36 around the track because it is such a momentum track. A TTE Miata was .6 seconds slower than me which shows that a well driven car at Roebling Road can overcome huge hp deficits. Granted the Miata guy is supposedly the regional SCCA Champ so it is trully a well driven machine.

My best time of the weekend was 1:24.21 which was 8th overall out of 30 entrants. The other times were as follows:


1:19.811 TTS Dodge SRT-4 (this guy ran the one lap of america and finished in 3 overall IIRC. As you can tell from his classing, he makes a lot of hp)
1:20.144 TTS Porsche GT3
1:20.881 TTA Corvette
1:22.083 TTA (TTC) RX8 (this car is driven by ROAR Racing's Rob Whitener. It is a street car with lots of parts off the race cars. It should class in TTC but Rob asked to be bumped up in class as he felt he had an unfair advantage over the other TTC competitiors. Not only is he a class act but he is absolutely awesome around Roebling as you can tell from his time. Apparently Jon Krolowicz of AMS EVO Time Attack fame and One Lap fame jumped in Robs car and clicked off a 1:23)
1:23.078 TTS Mustang
1:23.521 TTA Corvette
1:23.840 TTS FFR Cobra
1:24.210 TTD RX8 (Previous TTD track record is 1:29.14)
1:24.399 TTA Mustang
1:24.634 TTB Mustang
The list continues with an assortment of TTA - TTG competitors.

(KurtBob - I think my head swelled a little bit more since yesterday. I may need a new helmet :D: )

I wish I had an epic beatdown pic to post. Way to go!

I wish I had an epic beatdown pic to post. Way to go!

hows this?


http://creativedestruction.files.wordpress.com/2006/04/frankjude.jpg

^ not quite THAT epic

The trophy girls
http://garx8club.com/gallery2/d/9348-1/47b7ce23b3127cce9854880a4a3400000027100AcNWrRy2btW Ig.jpg

On track nicely stickered. More stickers = more hp
http://garx8club.com/gallery2/d/9344-2/DSC_0507.jpg

The trees were hauling @$$. See how blurry they are...
http://garx8club.com/gallery2/d/9347-2/DSC_0569.jpg

Took L8APEX for a ride to recalibrate his "shitometer"
http://garx8club.com/gallery2/d/9355-2/DSC_2528.jpg

and it worked too. it was a blast to ride along with you again TA. Reminds me of what the car is capable of.

AND he is running on stock 18"wheels(my old ones lol!) and 2nd hand ra1's!!
You go dude!
Wish i could have been their to give ya a little competition:)
OD

i picked myself up some 245/35 Hoosiers today. too bad i won't have a chance to run them until next march- april.

From where?

Phil's Tire Service. The traveling tire people that work all the midwest & IN/OH nasa events. Take offs, great price and they look great. Just have to clear a spot downstairs to store them for the winter now.

How bad did they beat you up on price?

$140

^ a piece? That sees like a pretty good deal.

^ a piece? That sees like a pretty good deal.

Set.

Set.

:Eyecrazy: Sweet deal, how tread was left on them? How was the track?

There is good tread left on them. Maybe 70-80% left. The grooves are fairly deep and not down to the wear bars and the depth holes in the sholders are deep as well.

There is good tread left on them. Maybe 70-80% left. The grooves are fairly deep and not down to the wear bars and the depth holes in the sholders are deep as well.

Good find. Do you think I can contact them to see if I can pick some up?

Good find. Do you think I can contact them to see if I can pick some up?

You have PM.

From the list that I saw, it looks like almost everything is the wrong size, or they just have an odd number of tires left.

From the list that I saw, it looks like almost everything is the wrong size, or they just have an odd number of tires left.

I win.

there is always that guy up there in WI that sells take offs.

remember hoosiers do not store well--be careful when you take them on the track next year. The rubber may ---MAY---harden on you and they can get slick.
olddragger

They should store fine in a dark, climate controlled room under a blanket wrapped in a tarp. <-- Just a heads up for anyone else trying to store R's over the off season.

Mac what run group have you been signed up to?

2. I've only done 1 NASA event.

I win.

there is always that guy up there in WI that sells take offs.

PM'd Phil, still waiting to hear back from him. Who is this WI guy that sells take offs?

Off topic, some kid in a EVO was giving me the "I can take you in a race look" just has he ramed into the person infront of him :lol2: That was classic

PM'd Phil, still waiting to hear back from him. Who is this WI guy that sells take offs?

Found the old email! yay for being a hypocritical sys admin!

There is generally not much on his site. I emailed him and he just responded to give him a call.

John Berget
JB RACING TIRES
jbracingtires@sbcglobal.net
http://www.jbracingtires.net/
262-740-0180



Off topic, some kid in a EVO was giving me the "I can take you in a race look" just has he ramed into the person infront of him :lol2: That was classic

awesome!

Did he actually hit the other car?

Yeah Mac, d00d you did get the steal of a century for a set!!!!

Did he actually hit the other car?

Yeah Mac, d00d you did get the steal of a century for a set!!!!

Right now they are sitting in my garage - which should stay +20 above ambient (~70's/50's high/low right now). They are sitting on an old bath mat to keep them off the concrete floow, wrapped in a couple of old wool waterbed pads until I can get the space cleared in the ~70-75*F basement. I should try to do that today after work. Don't want the tires to harden, like OD said. That would be bad news bears.

Depending on how things go later this winter I might pick up another set of R's from that guy in WI if he has something I want. I doubt these Hoohoo's are gonna last all year next year.

Good point, I would like to get another set of either OEM wheels, or maybe some nice
17"s for the gearing advantage, and then find some takeoffs.

i got some good Toyo's from JB. I have gotten two events out of them, and they are still showing groove all the way around.

maybe I need to drive faster...

Good point, I would like to get another set of either OEM wheels, or maybe some nice
17"s for the gearing advantage, and then find some takeoffs.

I have decided that if I am going to buy another set of wheels they will be 17's and as wide as I can fit under the car and they will be for track tires only. Of course I'm accumulating enough tires/wheels at my house to start dealing.

maybe I need to drive faster...

+1

I have decided that if I am going to buy another set of wheels they will be 17's and as wide as I can fit under the car and they will be for track tires only. Of course I'm accumulating enough tires/wheels at my house to start dealing.

I would most likely just looking for something that I could use my points for, so not too side, but I don't want a motorcycle wheel either.

I would most likely just looking for something that I could use my points for, so not too side, but I don't want a motorcycle wheel either.



looking at most tire mfg's websites you can put 245's on 9.5" wheels. for TT you just would need to make sure that with the extra width and offset you don't go more than 2" wider than the factory stance and yo won't incur any points for that setup. Tat will then give you plenty of options if in the future you decide to upclass and want to run as wide as a 295 without changing wheels.

On one of the wheel websites linked to on here a lot they say the 17 x 9 +40et (or 45 cant remember) RPF1's weigh ~15lbs. That may be the wheel I go with. and they are like $270 each. Thats dirt cheap for wheels at that type of size and I should be able to do 265's or 275s on those wheels very easily.

Did we ever get a definitive answer on the weight of the stock wheel itself?

Did we ever get a definitive answer on the weight of the stock wheel itself?

I've seen it several places on this site @ 22-23lbs.



http://www.good-win-racing.com/Mazda-Performance-Part/60-1290.html

That would sure be nice to be able to drop 7 lbs of unsprung weight per corner.

climate control is good, dark is good---dont forget to double bag them so air cant get to them.
od

That would sure be nice to be able to drop 7 lbs of unsprung weight per corner.

The OEM Potenza's were also weighed @ ~27lbs and the hoosiers are ~21-22lbs. I don't know what RA-1's or the new R888's will weigh in that size but the hoohoos are really light for an 18"

with my 17x8 enkei and a toyo 234/40/17 RA 1the weight is 40lbs a corner--almost if not a 10lb per corner lighter.
OD

Well, the magical spinning triangles win again. I was able to take 1st at Barber this weekend. Looks like the record is mine too. When stuff gets uploaded to MyLaps I'll post times and comparable performances. I think my best time was 1:48.731
I ended up in 2nd place for the season in TTD for the SE region. I had 3 events with 3 1st place finishes but it wasn't quite enough. Regardless, I am very happy with the result.

Good work, TA. Proving once again driver mod > *.

here he is, Mr. TTD himself...proving you don't need no stinking pistons...:)
http://www.atrhoads.com/gallery2/d/851-2/BMP-85X-02.jpg

http://www.atrhoads.com/gallery2/d/848-2/BMP-85X-01.jpg

Congrats TA, I wish I had gotten a picture of you and your car with your new drinking paraphernalia.

TA, where do you mount your lap timer/reciever?

I know TA is on a plane, so, if you are asking where his transponder is, it is zip tied to the front rotary crest in the air dam. he has nothing in the cockpit, just in case you meant something that the driver can read.

thanks for the response.

I'm not really concerned about having something I can read. I was just wondering where he mounted the transponder with a full stock interior.

ah, ok. yeah, his location of the transponder seems to be a good one. I have seen some of the racers mounting them out of site, behind body panels and such, I guess they still work that way...:dunno: at least that way you would not have to take it off, and put it back on a lot.

Did he actually hit the other car?

Yeah Mac, d00d you did get the steal of a century for a set!!!!

OH, yea. From what I could tell he cracked the rear bumper. The best part was me looking back at him and laughing. KIDS

Quote:
Originally Posted by devildog1679
PM'd Phil, still waiting to hear back from him. Who is this WI guy that sells take offs?

Found the old email! yay for being a hypocritical sys admin!

There is generally not much on his site. I emailed him and he just responded to give him a call.

John Berget
JB RACING TIRES
jbracingtires@sbcglobal.net
http://www.jbracingtires.net/
262-740-0180

Thank You

Just spoke to the guy in WI. Seems he has many tires that can fit my 17's that I use for the winter. I guess I'll just have to switch them out in the spring. Not sure how wide I can go on the 17's? Maybe 225?

do you know how wide the rims are?

do you know how wide the rims are?

I just measured them, its a bit difficult with the tire on but they look to be 8in. Currently I have 215 on their but I know they can atleast fit 225 since that is what tire rack was initially going to send me. Do you think I can go with 245?

a 245 tire will fit on an 8" wheel. probably not the best size for a 7.5" wheel. somewhere on the wheel, back of a spoke, on the inside somewhere, there is usually a stamping that has that info.

a 245 tire will fit on an 8" wheel. probably not the best size for a 7.5" wheel. somewhere on the wheel, back of a spoke, on the inside somewhere, there is usually a stamping that has that info.

yea, what he said. if they are 7.5" wide I'd go with 225, if 8" wide 245's will work nicely.

yea, what he said. if they are 7.5" wide I'd go with 225, if 8" wide 245's will work nicely.

I measured it edge to edge and it was about 8 inches. Its tuff with the wheels still on but findingthe stamping would probably be better. Thanks

Spoke to JB, they have Kumho's, Hankook, and Hoosiers in 225. Toyo RA1 in 235, and Hoosiers in 245. He recommended the Toyo's since they will fit both 7.5 inch and 8 inch rims, plus he said those are usually in better shape. Guess I'll do some research. Which ones do you recommend?

OK, so I did some research. Seems to me Hossier only makes R6 for Road Racing, Mac is this what you got? Kumho has the v710 or vs70A with tread wear of 30, 50 respectively. That is less then half the Toyo RA1 with 100 wear rating. Honkook I found has various Ventus designs both for Race/circuit slicks and DOT-R compounds. To many to choose from.

I think my wheels are 7 inches. They are the same winter wheels that Redshedevil has. Does this mean the most I can go is 225?

The final results are posted on Mylaps.com (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showevent.jsp?id=260711).

Saturday's race was the only one that counted so I pushed harder on Saturday than I did on Sunday. My best lap was early in the day in the first timed session with a 1:48.783. That is about 6 seconds slower than the #70 Speedsource Koni Challenge race car at Barber earlier this year. Six seconds is a lot of difference but the race car is a good 500#s lighter than I am with a bit more power, a better suspension, stickier tires, better brakes, and a far more experienced driver. I know I can find 2 more seconds in my lap times with some additional laps at the track.

I didn't push as hard on Sunday since it wasn't for points or anything. I ran about a second slower than I did on Saturday. I spent a few sessions driving a friend's FD in HPDE4 which was tons of fun. I would have liked to strap my transponder on it and get some lap times but I didn't. I didn't drive it at 10/10ths anyway as I had a passenger and it wasn't my car.

It was cool to have some of the TTB competitors come to me to try to figure out how I was so close to their times. There was an E36 M3 in TTC that ran a 1:47.359.

All told, I am able to put my name down for Barber Motorsports Park as the TTD track record holder. That's 3 tracks and 3 records in 3 events. Yes, my head is a bit swollen but it eases the pain of a new transmission. The absolute best part of the weekend was having my good friends with me at the awards banquet giving me support. That is worth everything. I do want to say thanks to my friends from the Georgia RX8 Club for the good times on track this year. I had fun instructing you all, hanging out with you, and talking all kinds of smack. I am looking forward to 2008 and an RX8 1st place in TTD.

http://garx8club.com/gallery2/d/9365-1/Barber+trophy.jpg

http://garx8club.com/gallery2/d/9376-2/_r6f3967_std.jpg

Since when did you have tranny problems?

You deserve it TA! You've put in the seat time and it really shows. I'm proud to know you! Congrats!

I measured it edge to edge and it was about 8 inches. Its tuff with the wheels still on but findingthe stamping would probably be better. Thanks

Spoke to JB, they have Kumho's, Hankook, and Hoosiers in 225. Toyo RA1 in 235, and Hoosiers in 245. He recommended the Toyo's since they will fit both 7.5 inch and 8 inch rims, plus he said those are usually in better shape. Guess I'll do some research. Which ones do you recommend?

OK, so I did some research. Seems to me Hossier only makes R6 for Road Racing, Mac is this what you got? Kumho has the v710 or vs70A with tread wear of 30, 50 respectively. That is less then half the Toyo RA1 with 100 wear rating. Honkook I found has various Ventus designs both for Race/circuit slicks and DOT-R compounds. To many to choose from.

I think my wheels are 7 inches. They are the same winter wheels that Redshedevil has. Does this mean the most I can go is 225?

I didn't realize you were planning on dismounting the winter tires, mounting summer meat and then remounting the winter tires at the end of the year. That could get expensive quickly. I hope you know someone that will cut you a deal on that labor.

You just got brand new kumho street tires. I would just run those if I were you. Esp considering the winter wheels may only be 7" wide...thats not really worth it for an R-comp setup.

I got the R6's. But i only did it because I was going to have to buy tires anyway AND I had an extra set of wheels just sitting around to mount them too.

congrats TA, It was fun to watch you all year, and fun to have you in the right seat at BMP. Looking forward to next year, as you continue your reign over TTD!

I didn't realize you were planning on dismounting the winter tires, mounting summer meat and then remounting the winter tires at the end of the year. That could get expensive quickly. I hope you know someone that will cut you a deal on that labor.

You just got brand new kumho street tires. I would just run those if I were you. Esp considering the winter wheels may only be 7" wide...thats not really worth it for an R-comp setup.

I got the R6's. But i only did it because I was going to have to buy tires anyway AND I had an extra set of wheels just sitting around to mount them too.

My neighbor said he can do it for $50 after hours at his shop. The thing with the Kumohs is that I don't want to go thru them like butter by using them on the track all next season. Erin will flip if I have to get new tires after next summer. Figuring if I can get a set of R's just for the track I can extend the life of the Kumhos. The tire guy said 225 Hoosiers would fit fine on a 7 inch rim. $220 for all 4 with 75% tread left.

Since when did you have tranny problems?

On the drive home Sun Pm. Luckily got close to home Sun before tranny acting all discombobulated. He has been out of town all week, so no chance to do much more eval.

And TA, it was a pleasure to be at banquet, and cheer you on. And an honor to have you instructing me this year.

My neighbor said he can do it for $50 after hours at his shop. The thing with the Kumohs is that I don't want to go thru them like butter by using them on the track all next season. Erin will flip if I have to get new tires after next summer. Figuring if I can get a set of R's just for the track I can extend the life of the Kumhos. The tire guy said 225 Hoosiers would fit fine on a 7 inch rim. $220 for all 4 with 75% tread left.


Thats cool that you have someone that can mount them for you. Just make sure he knows how to mount race tires, from what I'm told they are not as easy as streets. Sidewalls are much stiffer.

Mike's got the same kumho street tires and he drives every day and runs on the track. He had them all last summer, this summer and thay have good meat on them and should las most - if not all - of next summer.

Mike's got the same kumho street tires and he drives every day and runs on the track. He had them all last summer, this summer and thay have good meat on them and should las most - if not all - of next summer.

How much time did he have them on the track with this summer and last? I figured I did about 12 hours of track this summer and I may do another 12 next season. I also read that the Hoosiers do better with at least -2 camber, Is this true? Still contemplating getting them. Would be nice to have stickier tires now that I feel more confident on the track.

I've probably put about 3000 track miles on them. They're holding up very well. So much so that is another reason that I didn't get R comps like Mac. I'll use these until there's nothing left which should be after next summer.

I've probably put about 3000 track miles on them. They're holding up very well. So much so that is another reason that I didn't get R comps like Mac. I'll use these until there's nothing left which should be after next summer.

What are your alighnment settings?

DD, RD's alignment is very similar to the way you had yours at the beginning of this summer. Nothing radical but fairly aggressive.

DD, RD's alignment is very similar to the way you had yours at the beginning of this summer. Nothing radical but fairly aggressive.

Excellent, thanks. Just need to weigh my options and see what the wife will let me get :banghead: