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i mean come on at least let meadow sit down at least wtf was that

Yea it was pretty stupid.

yeah i'm lost...this was one of the worst seasons....and thats how they end it

what happend? did tony die? come one... i didn't see it yet...

what was with the screen going blank at the end all of a sudden when she was walking in??? i thought something happened to the tv

what happend? did tony die? come one... i didn't see it yet...

ZYou really want to know....all the viewers were bored to death :)

theres a reason i wrote spoiler alert at the top (its a minor one at that, im not saying who died or anything...if someone else wants to spill it they can go ahead).

I was not impressed

what was with the screen going blank at the end all of a sudden when she was walking in??? i thought something happened to the tv

my digital cable and internet have been out for the past two weeks at home and they got restored today around 3 and i was ready to flip shit when the screen went blank, but i didnt have to. :)

Ok first I'm not a Soprano's fan at all.. watched a few episodes here and there. I was expecting something friggin' ground breaking here something where at the end I'd say "Damn I missed out on all of this!" instead I was left with a feeling of "..'eh that sucked.". Between the guy in the Members Only Jacket then the group of black kids I thought for sure a shoot out would ensue 'cause of all the cuts to the other dinners there.

Again Worst Ending for a Series EVER!

p.s. I think the ending was done this way just incase HBO decides to pay the actors enough money to do another season they can just start it up again.

apparently they filmed three endings..methinks david chase smelled an opportunity to sell millions of 'final season' dvds with an easter egg special feature of watching the other two endings.

apparently they filmed three endings..methinks david chase smelled an opportunity to sell millions of 'final season' dvds with an easter egg special feature of watching the other two endings.

1st ending was the shitty home dinner one.
2nd ending is where the members only jacket guy pop's soprano
3rd ending is the group of black kids holds up the joint and tony there tries to talk 'em down and I dunno gets killed.

i lol'd last night i said to my self i stoped playing forza 2 for that?

worst season EVER.

Does anyone see the possibility of a Sopranos movie?

totally they're gonna milk this for as much cash as possible

i was very let down by this ending
but what else is new

totally sucked

I thought the ending was perfect.

Like a piece of fine art, it was left to the viewer to get out of it what they wanted to.

The series was built on a dichotomy of moral ambiguity and fatal certainty -- a morally despicable protagonist, and the inevitable death or prison fate of mobsters. So they leave the final moment ambiguous -- masterful -- yet the viewer still knows the inevitable outcome.

Remember Bobby and Tony discussing what it's like when you get whacked -- just sudden blackness, you don't even hear it coming...

Brilliant end for a series. I like not being talked down to, or having everything spoon fed like in your typical POS TV Drama or Sitcom.

I give it a big thumbs up -- Kudos to David Chase!

so basically they all died?

Plaz, i agree, from a directing stand point he did a good job, he left it open to the creativity of the viewer.

But people like being spoon fed....you dont have to think.....lol

I didn't spend 86 hours watching the show to have them let me decide what the ending will be though! That's all good if I go to a 2 hour movie one night...but after all the years of watching the show, it shouldn't be up to me to decide what the heck happened....I wanted closure!

so basically they all died?

No, I don't think so. In an earlier episode this season, Tony or one of his guys says they don't "hurt the family". I guess the hit men have a code of ethics.

At first I was stunned by the ending. Then I began thinking about it. I think it was brilliant! Look at the whole diner sequence again. All during the scene, you would hear the tinkle of a bell (on the front door), Tony would look up and we would see someone walk through the door, from Tony's perspective. In between times we would see the other patrons in the diner. Toward the end, one of the suspicious guys got up and walked past Tony to the men's room (Godfather anyone?). Just after that Meadow was shown scampering across the street approaching the door. You hear the bell again, we see Tony's face begin to look up....and the screen goes black.

Do I have to spell it out? We now see Tony's perspective.

Again, this was great. Look at all the buzz on the net about this.

By the way, how many of you felt a tinge of guilt laughing about Phil Leotardo's gruesome second death?

At first I was stunned by the ending. Then I began thinking about it. I think it was brilliant! Look at the whole diner sequence again. All during the scene, you would hear the tinkle of a bell (on the front door), Tony would look up and we would see someone walk through the door, from Tony's perspective. In between times we would see the other patrons in the diner. Toward the end, one of the suspicious guys got up and walked past Tony to the men's room (Godfather anyone?). Just after that Meadow was shown scampering across the street approaching the door. You hear the bell again, we see Tony's face begin to look up....and the screen goes black.

Do I have to spell it out? We now see Tony's perspective.

Actually I guess you did have to spell it out. I didn't think about the screen going black as being from Tony's perspective. If you think about it that way, Tony got popped and never even saw it coming. Then again, the last scene was not from Tony's perspective so that really doesn't work. If it had been from his perspective, then it would have been brilliant. We saw Tony look up at what we can only assume was Meadow walking in the door. I don't think he did get taken out but that's the point I guess. It's what you make of it.

I think a lot of people are reading too much into the final scene. After all, what did everyone expect all week? That's right, some type of showdown between Tony and Phil. Well, Phil got whacked, so Tony emerges victorious. But his victory is a hollow one, which is part of the viewer's ominous sense of dissatisfaction. What is Tony's reward but more of the same. Survival means continuing doing what he does, because there is no "happily ever after" in his business. So there he sits eating onion rings with his three codependent enabling family members, and they go on surrounded by the destruction of others, much like Tom and Daisy Buchanan in "The Great Gatsby." Tony doesn't die at the end, but the foreboding sense of doom and paranoid anxiety the viewers experienced in the last scene is what Tony has to endure for the rest of his life. Every day he survives means nothing more than that he hasn't been whacked YET. The ending suggests that Tony's continued existence, while momentarily triumphant, is simply a postponement of the inevitable (which we all face). This is the life he's chosen, and it's the reward he reaps.

Actually I guess you did have to spell it out. I didn't think about the screen going black as being from Tony's perspective. If you think about it that way, Tony got popped and never even saw it coming. Then again, the last scene was not from Tony's perspective so that really doesn't work. If it had been from his perspective, then it would have been brilliant. We saw Tony look up at what we can only assume was Meadow walking in the door. I don't think he did get taken out but that's the point I guess. It's what you make of it.

No, if I remember correctly, the usual sequence in the scene was, the bell rings, we see Tony look up, we quickly see from his perspective who just walked in. In this final sequence, the bell rings, Tony looks up and if he got popped at that moment, Tony no longer has a perspective....just black.

It's more or less what I expected. It leaves the door open for Chase to suck more money out of it if he wants to.

I'm just glad Phil got whacked - never liked that scumbag.

It's about time

Final reel has been heisted
We are holding it for ransom
place bills in a plain brown envelope
do not call the cops....

No, if I remember correctly, the usual sequence in the scene was, the bell rings, we see Tony look up, we quickly see from his perspective who just walked in. In this final sequence, the bell rings, Tony looks up and if he got popped at that moment, Tony no longer has a perspective....just black.
Nope. Watch it again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1wLBit-hDo

Nope. Watch it again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1wLBit-hDo

I just watched it again. Thanks for the link by the way. I clearly hear the bell from Meadow, Tony looks up then black. How is that different than what I said?

We aren't seeing it from his point of view. We are seeing him from our point of view. If the last scene had been of Meadow walking in and the screen go black during that moment, then I would say it was from Tony's POV.

dtorre has it all right i think

We aren't seeing it from his point of view. We are seeing him from our point of view. If the last scene had been of Meadow walking in and the screen go black during that moment, then I would say it was from Tony's POV.

The point is we don't get to see from Tony's POV because he no longer has one...he is dead right after the bell rings and the fraction of a second it takes for him to start looking up. Black is his only possible POV (except for the what the walk to the light types). He never gets the chance to see Meadow. Since he never gets to see who comes through the door, neither do we.

I think most of you are missing the big point of the final scene, or trying to make more out of it then there actually is. I guess this is what I got from it anyways. The ending showed us what life for Tony is like now, a life of fear. The whole scene was centered around the fact that his head kept popping up every time the front door of the coffee shop opened. So in the final last few frames, the person he loves most was coming through the door, but they cut away right as his head was popping up in that split-second of "Uh-oh, who's this?" fear that will consume the rest of Tony's life. I do think that, if he was really getting killed right at the end, they would have shown the guy coming out of the men's bathroom, even for a split-second. That's why I'm certain he didn't get killed. If you watch the ending scene a couple time, you notice that everyone who entered the coffee shop was harmless where as the first viewing, they seem to be the one that could kill him. And the cuts to Meadow were intense as well, even though parking a car is very boring. I think that it was just showing how something as simple as meeting the family at a coffee shop, has turned into a nerve wracking experience for Tony. His life is screwed.

The point is we don't get to see from Tony's POV because he no longer has one...he is dead right after the bell rings and the fraction of a second it takes for him to start looking up. Black is his only possible POV (except for the what the walk to the light types). He never gets the chance to see Meadow. Since he never gets to see who comes through the door, neither do we.

I disagree with that. I think it ended as it did so we could make what we want of the ending. Maybe he dies. Maybe everything just goes on as it has in the series the whole time as dtorre said.

I disagree with that. I think it ended as it did so we could make what we want of the ending. Maybe he dies. Maybe everything just goes on as it has in the series the whole time as dtorre said.

Nope, I still think Tony dies. I think Chase foreshadowed it in an earlier episode (and repeated in the episode just before this last one)

In one of the early episodes of the Sopranos, Tony is talking with Bobby about what it must feel like to die. Bobby says "At the end, you probably don't hear anything, everything just goes black."

By the way, you definitely do hear the bell just before Tony looks up.

the people in the diner:

guy at the counter was Nicky Leotardo, Phils nephew

2 black guys were the ones that tired to shoot tony in an earlier season but missed and clipped his ear

the truck driver was the brother of someone robbed and killed by christopher in season 2

cub scouts were witnesses in the train store when bobby got shot

do you remember the convo that bobby and tony had in the boat about getting whacked....he siad if you were to get whacked you would never see it coming and it would just be like everything would go black all of a sudden

the people in the diner:

guy at the counter was Nicky Leotardo, Phils nephew

2 black guys were the ones that tired to shoot tony in an earlier season but missed and clipped his ear

the truck driver was the brother of someone robbed and killed by christopher in season 2

cub scouts were witnesses in the train store when bobby got shot

do you remember the convo that bobby and tony had in the boat about getting whacked....he siad if you were to get whacked you would never see it coming and it would just be like everything would go black all of a sudden

Right, but it wasn't through the eyes of Tony like the other shots of him checking the door. Before it went black, the camera was looking straight at him. If it would have been through his eyes, i.e. looking at the door, then i'd believe he got whacked.

Well I heard their making a Sopranos Movie. So I'm sure this Season Finale Episode is like the Matrix 2 Ending. Where it leaves you into a cliff hannger, and once Matrix 3 Movie came on, it left you of to the same place where Part 2 left from.
So I'm sure where this Last Episode left of, the movie will start from.

Well I heard their making a Sopranos Movie. So I'm sure this Season Finale Episode is like the Matrix 2 Ending. Where it leaves you into a cliff hannger, and once Matrix 3 Movie came on, it left you of to the same place where Part 2 left from.
So I'm sure where this Last Episode left of, the movie will start from.

If thats the case, hopefully it turns out better than Matrix 3 did.

/agree

You mean we still might see scenes where Tony lives, becomes a Don, goes into politics, is called on the carpet and has to testify before the Senate's hearing on Un American activities, and his daughter and grandkids have their own reality TV show while his son goes to jail???

Lets bring back the black!!!

Right, but it wasn't through the eyes of Tony like the other shots of him checking the door. Before it went black, the camera was looking straight at him. If it would have been through his eyes, i.e. looking at the door, then i'd believe he got whacked.

Again, the sequence repeated during the whole scene, the bell goes off, we very briefly see Tony look up at the door, we then see the door through his eyes after he has looked up, then people walk through the door.

In the very last sequence we hear the hear the bell, we very briefly see Tony look up, and at the point where we would then see through Tony's eyes, we see black. If Tony was wacked as he was looking up, by the time the scene switched to look through his eyes all we would see is black because he is already dead. We wouldn't get to see Meadow come through the door.

Again, the sequence repeated during the whole scene, the bell goes off, we very briefly see Tony look up at the door, we then see the door through his eyes after he has looked up, then people walk through the door.

In the very last sequence we hear the hear the bell, we very briefly see Tony look up, and at the point where we would then see through Tony's eyes, we see black. If Tony was wacked as he was looking up, by the time the scene switched to look through his eyes all we would see is black because he is already dead. We wouldn't get to see Meadow come through the door.

I think they would have shown through his eyes, or the guy coming out of the bathroom, for a split second if he was being wacked. But that's just me, think what you want. I also don't think they would have kept talking about his impending indictment if they were going to kill him off either.

Kwolfman, that makes sense, I just hate to think that Tony is dead.

well has anyone asked or has the director said anything????

Don't worry, someone just dumped a date-rape drug in his drink - he will wake up with a grin on his face the next time someone offers enough money for the show to go back into production -

If Tony got whacked, it had to be either his own family or a guy behind him....can you see anyone behind him in his water glass?

the people in the diner:

guy at the counter was Nicky Leotardo, Phils nephew

2 black guys were the ones that tired to shoot tony in an earlier season but missed and clipped his ear

the truck driver was the brother of someone robbed and killed by christopher in season 2

cub scouts were witnesses in the train store when bobby got shot

do you remember the convo that bobby and tony had in the boat about getting whacked....he siad if you were to get whacked you would never see it coming and it would just be like everything would go black all of a sudden


First off no ....the guy at the counter is not phil's nephew...thats already been disproven....

Second the two black guys that clipped Tony's ear are both dead....he killed one and one killed the other on accident.....you obviously don't watch the show and heard someone else say this....

three the truck driver is not the same guy

four check the cub scouts from the previous episode not the same kids at all

yes the convo did happen....which makes this all a perfect mystery

yes the convo did happen....which makes this all a perfect mystery

Agreed, and it makes the final episode all the more brilliant.

I really get a kick out of people overanalyzing the ending. I think it's a good thing and it's what David Chase was after. That ending gives the series life after it ends, it is what we want it to be. To me the black screen was not Tony being shot, but the death of the series. What happens to them from there is left to your imagination, but I think Chase wanted us to know the family was still strong and still together. Once Meadow walked through the door the show could end because at that very moment they were all safe and all together. Tony getting whacked would have been the easy simple minded way out and I would have been very disappointed.

OK, so what we got here is pretty good evidence that Tony gets hit - that leaves the important question? By whom? Old enemy? Nah, Tony's too smart. It's got to be someone who is afraid - afraid Tony will do him or afraid Tony will spill the beans if he is put on trial - so who stands too lose the most if Tony talks?