Hi...Im new to the forums. :) I been driving a VW Jetta...yes...its a girls car...and I been made fun of already...and Im planning to buy a new car around December or Janurary. I been thinking of getting a S2000 or a Rx-8. But I dont know which one is better...I want the car not only for driving but for heavy mods. And If I get the rx-8 where do you install a cd-header? Seems like you cant take out the big circle cdp...

O yea...I forgot to ask if the RX-8 goes into the insurance company as a 4 door or a 2 door...

This is again one of those very subject thread.

At this RX-8 forum, you would get alot of people asking you to get the 8.

If this is a S2000 forum, you'll get a thumbsup for the S2000.

At the end of the day, the only personl who decide which to get is yourself. And my guess is you'd probably already have some kind of answer in mind.

Nonetheless, I'll still give you my 2 cents. If you wanna mod your car heavily, the S2k is probably more suitable as it's in the market longer as compared to the 8. The 8 is still very new and there isn't much aftermarket available just yet.

cheers

hrm...I like how the rx-8 looks....but I want the s2k because its convertable...I heard the rx-7 has to go through lots of maintiance=$$$ because its a rotary engine....does the rx-8 have to also? Im under 21....and I cant pay a lot of money for insurance....so....the rx-8 is still better?

First thing, if you are going to carry out "heavy mods", the current format of the dash is of no importance.

Ask yourself, do I need four seats or two? If the answer is four, your other question is answered.

Regardless, these two cars are actually very different, although the have overlapping appeal and characteristics.
The RX8 has been born into the void left by the RX7, but it's a diiferent animal and there will be a new RX7.

Does this help you? Probably not.

Try it this way, when I had a Z3 (similar form factor to the S2000), I needed another car for the space and passenger carrying ability were a shortcoming of the Z3 for me. With an RX8 the one car does it all.

Think about the practicalities and then test drive as much as you can.

hrm...ill go test drive the s2k and the rx-8 before I buy it...I know someone who is a manager at a infinit dealer and he said he would not recommend any rotary engine. He said they have too much problems and so on...

Originally posted by cRazYToM_E
hrm...ill go test drive the s2k and the rx-8 before I buy it...I know someone who is a manager at a infinit dealer and he said he would not recommend any rotary engine. He said they have too much problems and so on...

The guy is talking out of his nose. There are far fewer moving parts in a rotary engine than a typical multicam four stroke donk.

Seals were a problem once!!!Wway back. They do use oil, by design.

It's very easy to knock what you don't know.

I love my RX8, it may not be the ideal car you. that's fine. But PLEASE, don't make a decision based on gossip or based on a lot of what the trolls on this list have to say. Drive it!!!

once you drive them it will be clear for you

Originally posted by cRazYToM_E
I heard the rx-7 has to go through lots of maintiance=$$$ because its a rotary engine....does the rx-8 have to also? Im under 21....and I cant pay a lot of money for insurance....so....the rx-8 is still better?

Compared with all the piston engine cars I've owned, my '88 RX7 was far more reliable. There were NO rotary related issues at all.

Insurance.. its considered a four door. My insurance was $50 more per six months than our Ford Econoline van!

As for insurance mine was 45 dollars more then my 97 Honda Accord. The 4 doors really help.

The insurance depends on your company. Mine is rated as a high-performance coupe. Says nothing about the four doors.

I saw some videos here and there about the rx-8 and the s2k. I'll leaning a little more to the rx-8 side but I have to talk to the infiniti manager friend...he knows way more about cars then I do...BTW How much is the mazdaspeed rx-8 body kit?

mines rated as a 4-door coupe, insurance is moot depending on where you live/record etc.

only reason that guy said that is because of the g35c, its considered by many to be in direct competition with the rx-8


if you do indeed decide on an s2k, wait for the 04 model, its getting a redesign as well as an engnie upgrade


the rx-8 is much nicer inside (and out imho, but that aint to say the stook doesnt look killer)


if you want a pure sports machine youll pro decide on the stook, otherwise youll prob get the 8, test drive them both untill youre certain
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The only thing that interested me about the S2k is the engine start button and the clean looking interior. I wanted a silver with two tone interior, black & red. But the rx-8 also have a great interior. I dont know about the engine start button on the rx-8. Anyways I live in California and Im only 18. I have no speeding ticket, parking ticket, and such. So When I get the rx-8 I would still pay a lot huh?

Don't get a car just because it has a "start" button that is silly. If you like the interior and feel of the car that is a little more important.

Cool gadgets wear off of you pretty fast.

It is hard to compare the 8 to anything, there simply is nothing like it on the road. I test drove the s2000, while I was impressed, the 8 was simply a lot more car (less $$$ too).

Also you said you were worried about reliablity with the rotary, however you would like to do heavy engine mods!! It seems to me reliablilty wouldn't matter.

People talk smack about rotary because of old rumors... and also cuz they are in competition with it.

The reality is, the RX-7 came off the market because of sub-standard emissions.

The rotary was still the best engine despite a few drawbacks here and there.

But it was the few drawbacks that got it a negative reputation.

HOWEVER

The NEWLY designed rotary engine for the Rx-8 is what brought the rotary BACK into the market. It won best engine of the year in Japan. I forget specifics, but you can just check any car magazine, brochure or catalog.

And because of this, if the Rx-8 sells well, which it probably will (some project 20,000 units sold, others 30,000)...... the legendary Rx-7.. will make a RETURN!

An engine has been re-tuned so well that an old car is being brought back into the market. How sweet is that?

Get the Rx-8.

Convertibles are such a hassle to park everytime i want to open and close the top. Not to mention those morons who stick a knife in the cover and cut out 3 feet of irreplacable fabric. >=( Get a moonroof for the Rx-8.

MSRP for the Rx-8 is like 27k while the S2000 is over 30k.... and the S2000 really doesn't have anything glowingly superior to the Rx-8.

Of course, I can suggest to you what you should get according to my feeble knowledge of cars, but it's up to you to make the final decision.

Test drive them both and weigh your priorities!

I know its just a rumor. My friend owns a 93 RX-7 TwinTurbo...I wanted one. Not only cause of the looks but what its capable of doing. I want the RX-8 not for the looks but for what the rotary can do. Since Im very young right now I am planning on buying the car when I turn 19 which is in May. Also I have a friend who got her cd header stolen from her Mustang Convertable because someone somehow cut the thingy open. I'll test drive both cars sometime this year I hope and get whichever one I like more. Im leaning a lot more to the RX-8 side. The only thing I really care about is performance. price, and the insurance rate.

Originally posted by cRazYToM_E
Hi...Im new to the forums. :) I been driving a VW Jetta...yes...its a girls car...and I been made fun of already...and Im planning to buy a new car around December or Janurary. I been thinking of getting a S2000 or a Rx-8. But I dont know which one is better...I want the car not only for driving but for heavy mods. And If I get the rx-8 where do you install a cd-header? Seems like you cant take out the big circle cdp...

1. I heard that S2Ks are not very responsive to MODS. Meaning that (I read on Street Racer, or one of those mags) you won't gain gobs of HP / TQ modding the car. Now, Im not saying that Hondas performance is not enough stock. Just saying that its hard to extract an extra HP from an already ULTRA tunned engine. I know there used to be some S2K owners roaming around, and Im sure they can provide you with a better insight.

2. The RX8 has very few proven mods (air intakes, etc..) and nothing major that has had enough time in the market. So, you might be looking at the wrong cars if you are looking for performance mods. At least, I wouldn't mod it until several other people had lived with mods for awhile. My concern is reliability in this case. Guess I don't want to be a Guinea Pig.

3. Do you want a convertible? Y/N & Ever had a cloth top? Y/N
4. Do the back seats matter to you? Y/N
5. How much money do you have to spend? An RX8 starts cheaper than an base S2K model (because the S2K has everything stock, therefore pricepoint is inherently higher)

Hope you I was able to confuse you even further! j/k
Cheers!

Hrm...I wanted the s2000...the rx-8 has everything the s2k is missing. Rx-8 has more looks, 4 seats and so on...and Im looking around $30,000 right now....how much is a rx-8 which the best options 6-speed?

Originally posted by cRazYToM_E
Hrm...I wanted the s2000...the rx-8 has everything the s2k is missing. Rx-8 has more looks, 4 seats and so on...and Im looking around $30,000 right now....how much is a rx-8 which the best options 6-speed?

Im lazy to go to kbb.com or mazda.com but if I don't recall wrong, every possible accesory plus the NAV runs for $36,000.00

36,000 is about right
maybe cheapier if you look around

I probably shouldn't post this but I got my 8 with everything except leather and NAV for 30,500!! (a hair over 33 out the door). That included the performance package (Bigger brakes, 6 spd w/ short throw) ground kit and spoiler (apperance package), moonroof, Bose audio, spare tire kit, HID headlights, etc... it's pretty much loaded.

The S2000 I looked at was 34, 500, and with the 8 you get a lot more car.

Don't get me wrong, the S2K was a blast to drive (I actually got pulled over during my test drive and escorted back to the dealership, but that's a different story!!)

thats a interesting story --procede

Originally posted by cRazYToM_E
I been thinking of getting a S2000 or a Rx-8. But I dont know which one is better...I want the car not only for driving but for heavy mods. And If I get the rx-8 where do you install a cd-header? Seems like you cant take out the big circle cdp...


1st: Do you want a 4 seater? RX-8. 2 seater? S2000

2nd:Do you want the car for mods? Honda

3rd: Do company's label Rx-8 as 2 seater? no. mine rated under 4.


To tell you honestly both cars are very well engineered, designed, and assembled. You can't go wrong with either choice. And the maintenance for the rotary engine is your standard 5k oil change of 5/20 regular oil. Don't listen to any other claims of " You can use synthetic oil because it's better " crap.

If Mazda says regular oil, then I think they know what they are talking about. They built the car no?

Originally posted by Dugless
I probably shouldn't post this but I got my 8 with everything except leather and NAV for 30,500!! (a hair over 33 out the door). That included the performance package (Bigger brakes, 6 spd w/ short throw) ground kit and spoiler (apperance package), moonroof, Bose audio, spare tire kit, HID headlights, etc... it's pretty much loaded.

The S2000 I looked at was 34, 500, and with the 8 you get a lot more car.

Don't get me wrong, the S2K was a blast to drive (I actually got pulled over during my test drive and escorted back to the dealership, but that's a different story!!)

I'm assuming that you have a GT? How did you get a GT model with no leather? You say you have the moonroof but that's not available on the GS. So......Where do you live?

If you can afford the S2000 go for it, it is quite an amazing machine.

I want a 4 seater.

And I want lots of mods.

Then I guess thats both...but at age 18 I dont think the insurance rate for the s2000 would be low as the rx-8. I like both cars so before I buy the car on janurary I'll see which car is cheaper in insurance. The car price really doesnt matter to me. :)

If the car price doesn't matter why do you care about the insurance price?'

are your parents buying this for you?

Im payin for everything...thats y....I can pay up to at least $700~800 a month /w out insurance. But my friend whos a manager at the infinti dealer told me that if i get a s2k n put the insurance all to me or somthin im going to be paying up to at least $300 a month. Thats a $1000 a month...

The GT (grand touring) is the same as the touring edition minus the leather, so in a way you're right. The touring is the GT without the leather. They both have moonroofs. I'm not sure what the GS is.

I thought $1,300 was a little steep for the grade of leather they were asking for.

BTW, I live in Southern California.

If I wanted a car to mod heavily, I wouldn't get either. I would probably get an Evolution and make it stupid fast.

The rx8 and s2000 are awesome performers, but I just wouldn't want to change them up too much because they are so well balanced stock (well..maybe some Mazdaspeed goodies for the 8..heh).

Originally posted by Dugless
The GT (grand touring) is the same as the touring edition minus the leather, so in a way you're right. The touring is the GT without the leather. They both have moonroofs. I'm not sure what the GS is.

I thought $1,300 was a little steep for the grade of leather they were asking for.

BTW, I live in Southern California.

GT is touring edition plus Leather Seats, Leatherette Door Trim, Power Driver Seat Adjusts 6 Ways Total, Front Heated Seats, Front Manual Lumbar Support, Dual Body Color Power Adjustable Heated Exterior Rearview Mirrors.

Basically, most of the money goes to the seat.

That pretty much sums it up.

Hey Donald, how would sit if your knees where on backards? Maybe you could break that down for us as well:)

Alright...enought about the cars...I want them both actaully...but I can only get one...

Im 18 and if I get one of the other car how much insurance would I be paying for the year? I heard that If I put all the family name? or somthin in the insurance thingy it gets cheaper. I want the rx-8 but some one told me the rx-8 and the s2k have the same insurance rate...

Originally posted by cRazYToM_E
Alright...enought about the cars...I want them both actaully...but I can only get one...

Im 18 and if I get one of the other car how much insurance would I be paying for the year? I heard that If I put all the family name? or somthin in the insurance thingy it gets cheaper. I want the rx-8 but some one told me the rx-8 and the s2k have the same insurance rate...

You won't know until you find out. But, I can tell you the 8 is covered like a 4 door sedan. Which the S2000 won't: Convertible + 2 Doors. Insurance will be aslightly more expensive for the S2K (if you were getting a Miata, which is cheaper, insurance would still be high.)

Let your parents call the insurance company and ask to add you to their policy (are you working?? 'cause your parents premium might go up as well)

Drive responsibly no matter what.

I dont work but Im in the navy...I never had any kind of accidents or speeding tickets. :)

Originally posted by cRazYToM_E
I dont work but Im in the navy...I never had any kind of accidents or speeding tickets. :)
Navy reserve?

Yep. :)

Get an S2000.

why seks

Why? I would get anything that is cheaper. Which is the rx-8 right now...

Originally posted by Seks
Get an S2000. ^Wut he said^ :o

I was considering a 350Z and a Rx-8. However, both cars were out of my price range. Then I was leaning more toward a new Celica GTS. During that process, I came across a 2002 S2k with 2,000 miles for 25,000 and bought that (no brainer). The S2k is an incredible car. Interior is plain but high quality and very ergonomic. Less tiring to drive than my MR2 suprisingly. I find it keeps me out of trouble with the police because I rarely go above 6k unless I need to. I tend to pamper my cars so I drive like grandma! :) Under 6k, it is peppy because of the short gearing but not fast. Over 6k, the car pulls very hard, especially in the lower gears. I find it suits my power tastes perfectly. I am not looking to modify the car and race it. I wanted a car that had plenty of power when I needed it in traffic and for the ocassional brisk drive. Since I am a single guy living on my own and not driving to work, practicality is not my main concern. That may change in a few years so I might as well get it out of my system now...!!

Originally posted by cRazYToM_E
hrm...ill go test drive the s2k and the rx-8 before I buy it...I know someone who is a manager at a infinit dealer and he said he would not recommend any rotary engine. He said they have too much problems and so on...

Probably a way dated response...but I just bought an Infinit G35 Coupe and I still would say NOT to believe that Infiniti dealer. There were a series of twin-turbo'ed RX's that sufferred from engine problems, but all in all , the fewer moving parts of a rotary should equate to fewer problems. So far, the most reliable cars I have owned are the Mazda 323 (when I was 18) and my current Merc E320. I have only had my G35 for a couple of weeks, but must say that after letting it sit for 4 days a week ago, the battery died. Infinity Roadside assistance did come and jump the car and the dealer replaced my battery when I drove in to get my new plates.

lol, looks like we have visitors from s2ki.com in here:p

anyways, i would personally get the s2k. but if you're gonna get a car for 'mod' purposes, neither car is ideal at this point in time.

the s2k is already very well designed, any kind of mods would yield minimal gains unless you're thinking of going FI. in which case thats a decent chunk of money.

the rx8 is still too new, so it has very little aftermarket behind it.

what i think is a bit strange is... you want to 'heavily mod' one of these cars, yet you're scared of insurance? why do u have such a meager budget for insurance, yet you have such a large budget for 'heavily modding' your car?

Originally posted by elusiv
lol, looks like we have visitors from s2ki.com in here:p

anyways, i would personally get the s2k. but if you're gonna get a car for 'mod' purposes, neither car is ideal at this point in time.

the s2k is already very well designed, any kind of mods would yield minimal gains unless you're thinking of going FI. in which case thats a decent chunk of money.

the rx8 is still too new, so it has very little aftermarket behind it.

what i think is a bit strange is... you want to 'heavily mod' one of these cars, yet you're scared of insurance? why do u have such a meager budget for insurance, yet you have such a large budget for 'heavily modding' your car?

Absolutely right. The S2k is not the best car for mods unless you are planning on dropping some big bucks (5000 bucks for a Supercharger). I mean you can go with an aftermarket exhaust and a CAI to help with more airflow. Many S2k owners who have done this noticed decent gains but nothing dramatic. I love both cars. The RX8 is a bit cheaper insurance-wise than the S2k and is a lot more practical.

I love the sound of that F20C at 9krpms though and the hard kick at 6000rpms though :)

Originally posted by elusiv
why do u have such a meager budget for insurance, yet you have such a large budget for 'heavily modding' your car? [/B]

I have the same budget

insurance is mundane and modding is just so addicting

I just saw the 04 S2k...is the 04 s2k faster then the 03 s2k? I want the 04 s2k if its faster than the 03 s2k n 04 rx-8...

The '04 has a little more torque but same HP, the gearing was changed to deal with the lower redline and more torque. The verdict it still out on "faster" if it is faster it won't be MUCH faster, .1 secs in 1/4 maybe I don't know.

But with the added weight of the bigger engine I'm not sure if the handling is thrown off. Although they changed the suspension to compensate too.

test both and get what you like the best. I prefer the aggressive look of the RX, heh, I always thought Miatas were girl's cars. Just make sure you really can afford, $900.00+ or so payment/insurance, fund for tires, not to mention those mods, a place to live........

Originally posted by Seks
Get an S2000.

Originally posted by cRazYToM_E
Why? I would get anything that is cheaper. Which is the rx-8 right now...

Originally posted by cRazYToM_E
I just saw the 04 S2k...is the 04 s2k faster then the 03 s2k? I want the 04 s2k if its faster than the 03 s2k n 04 rx-8...

you seem quite indecisive.

the MY04 will be a bit more pricier than the current 03's, granted it'll be faster.

although im not pretending to know you're exact financial situation, i dont think u know what u really want given your circumstances. in any case, i suggest u figure out what your limitations are before u randomly start choosing a car.

Very well said SpYnalChRd81

If you want a 4-seater and want to heavily modify the car, maybe you should consider other 4 seaters in that price range such as the Subaru WRX STi and Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution.

They are also in the same price range as the S2000 and RX-8.

The insurance may be higher than the S2000 and RX-8 just because the demographics for those cars are geared toward a younger audience.

Originally posted by WilliamT
If you want a 4-seater and want to heavily modify the car, maybe you should consider other 4 seaters in that price range such as the Subaru WRX STi and Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution.

They are also in the same price range as the S2000 and RX-8.

The insurance may be higher than the S2000 and RX-8 just because the demographics for those cars are geared toward a younger audience.

If you make even the slightest mod to a Suby, kiss your warranty goodbye. Even if you 'unmod' it before you take it in for service, they will go over your car with a microscope looking for evidence of a mod so they can deny a warranty claim. My coworker was given the shaft by a dealer in town because his 'tires were excessively worn' and he had a K&N air filter. He made complaints all the way to the Regional level and ended up having to take his car to Houston to get a blown turbo fixed. Sold it the next week.

Just got my new 8 a couple days ago and I'm loving it. My previous car was a 1994 Black & Tan Miata with the hardtop (which I owned for 10 years, or one-third of my life), which was an absolutely awesome car. Oh yeah, brownie points if you can guess how hold I am.

A good friend of mine drives a 2002 Honda S2000, and I've had the pleasure if driving it for a short stint.

All these cars need to be test driven before being bought, you really got to feel them for yourself and grab the one that picks you out. Just try not to fall in love with the first one you drive, really set out to make a driving comparison of all. (They are all Nymphs, so try not to linger too long with only one.)

It's really hard for me to pick a favorite, they are so very different in feel and personality.

The miata feels like it has so much more horspower than it does. Feels like a go-cart (especially the earlier generations)--and I mean *go* cart in best way possible. The phrase "Zoom Zoom!" is the Miata. It's the Miata's soul. :D (Well for many a Mazda autocrosser).

But if I was going to do a driving comparison I'd drive it first, otherwise the horspower difference will be more noticeable. But man the miata can be driven *very* aggressivley around corners with hardly any suprises and a tremendous classic, sports car sound and feel (just ditch the stock tires asap). May want to keep in mind Mazda has announced the USA release of the Mazdaspeed Miata on their site. If you are contemplating or involved in autocrossing, IMHO you'd be a fool not check it out.

The S2000, *to me*, is a high tech, futuristic, super revving, high horsepower version of the miata. It has more "edge" in every way. It feels just slightly less forgiving than the miata (again I've had limited experience in one as the driver, lil more as a passenger with a good driver at the wheel). If money was no object I would have both in the garage (but would probably want the mazdaspeed miata this time around--the 8 has spoiled me ;P)

In the miata and s2000 you feel like you are going so fast almost entirely from not really being shielded from the environment :P Very much a race car feel in both cars. Little deeper more classic-sounding ehxaust "tone" from the miata that sounds wonderful reving, while the s2000 has more of an aggressive VTEC "rasp" to my ears (come to think if it sounds just as good revving in a different way. Handling on both cars is impecable. Very much a drivers race in an autocross. Neither car is about drag racing, but if that's important to you, then the s2000 would be your pick (I can't talk about the Mazdaspeed Miata, haven't been in one yet).

After 10 years in the miata, the RX-8 is a BIG breath of fresh air. It was just time for something bigger!! In the best of both worlds I'd have either a miata or s2000 AND the rx8. The fact that I nearly bought another miata though speaks good for the car. Just my opinion: the RX-8 feels like a sport sedan "Hunter-Killer". It feels part BMW until you move into a corner nice and deep and then it holds on like no car it's size has business doing while still playing the part of James Bond--looking refined all the while. It has just enough power to take care of business and to feel the part of sophisticated-racing machine.

I'm nowhere near getting use to the Mazda 8's size, I'd be eaten for lunch by miatas and s2000s on the autocross. So if you see any wise ass remarks, about some guy that got his 8 "whooped hard" by a miata, I ASURE YOU ITS PROBABLY ME! (And you know that type of shit causes all kinds of weird purchasing decisions when read on a message board).

I try not to get cars that have alot of understeer, but in really tight situations it looks like the 8 might be prone to that in stock form. Not sure about the s2000, but the "cool" feeling of a miata is the amount of *exact* oversteer you can dictate at will, and that's just *barely* an exaggeration. Not sure about s2000, I was kind to my friend's tires ;P If I remember correctly he was at a driving class in his s2000 and was having slight oversteer difficulties (my guess is the VTEC takes a bit more practice, but can be learned and the oversteer "corrected". Oversteer in a Miata, with a little help from the Force, can make you feel like a Jedi Knight of Oversteer. You just "use" oversteer when desired.

If this was going to be my first car I'd start with Miata/S2000. Drive em and see which picks you out. I'll wager it won't have anything to do with HP, Torque, Drag coefficients, blah, blah. Everyone should own a true roadster at least once in their lives. And no reason to just drive those, try on the Mini Cooper S (its fun to go to www.mini.com and build one even if you aren't looking to buy right now ;) or maybe the BMW Z3 or Z4, Porsche Boxer or anything else that puts a grin on your face.

One thing that might discourage s2000 prospects is the expensive and relatively benign effect of modding. It's *not* easy to add horsepower or torque to an s2000 unless you have deep pockets! I've read this and my friend has been telling me that for quite a while now (the s2000 owner). But if you only plan on doing minor mods and like the performance as comes with the s2000 (and still having numbers better than the miata), that shouldn't bother ya. If you like drag racing, get a flyin maita turbo www.flyinmiata.com Strap on their $5900 bad boy turbo system and smoke all cars in a straight line. Suddenly your eating stock vettes like it ain't no thing.

I think mods are coming out at a good pace for the RX8, I'll wager that by this time next year we while have a wide assortment of toys to add to our 8's. You can search these boards to learn more about mods for the 8.


How was that for a politically correct review on *my* favorite cars? :D

Laters,

Xlorn

Originally posted by khoney
If you make even the slightest mod to a Suby, kiss your warranty goodbye. Even if you 'unmod' it before you take it in for service, they will go over your car with a microscope looking for evidence of a mod so they can deny a warranty claim. My coworker was given the shaft by a dealer in town because his 'tires were excessively worn' and he had a K&N air filter. He made complaints all the way to the Regional level and ended up having to take his car to Houston to get a blown turbo fixed. Sold it the next week.

That's pure rumor, and the kind of stuff I hear on forums all the time. While some maybe even most dealers will deny warranty claims due to even slight mods, there are others out there that will not. It really depends on the dealer, and sometimes who the regional rep is. This is true with no matter what car manufacturer you buy a car from. By the way, my Subaru dealer has a performance shop and you can add aftermarket performance and cosmetic parts onto the sale of the car as financable options, and they certainly don't deny claims from mods they installed.

By the way, very nice review Xlorn.

Ike

you do know that the subaru dealers in the bay area are denying warranty claims on the transmissions that keep breaking? One of the local dealers gets on average 5-6 STI's back for a transmission breaking and they deny the claim and say its "ABUSE". I think its a bit crazy that subaru can design a transmission that is not strong enough to keep from breaking on heavy use, market the car as a ralley car and then deny claims when the transmission breaks.

Ummm, I haven't heard a single report of a USDM STi tranny going. Why are you just making stuff up?

Originally posted by IkeWRX
Ummm, I haven't heard a single report of a USDM STi tranny going. Why are you just making stuff up?

EXCUSE ME?

Im not making anything up. Its the dealer in walnut creek. The reason I know is they sell Mazda and Scoobie cars. They said they get about 5-6 per month.

Please dont accuse me of making stuff up. While I dont necessarily like your posts, im not so immature as to make things up.

Ok?

Is it just me or did you edit out the 5-6 per week part in your first post and now it's 5-6 per month... Did the dealer tell you they just claim it's abuse and deny the claims automatically as well? Think man, think!

So what does that say about Ike's statements about WRX STi reliability?

Anyone got a toilet ready to flush?

The WRX tranny has had some problems in the past, the STi tranny is totally different and has had very little problems to date. You guys are pathetic...

Originally posted by IkeWRX
Is it just me or did you edit out the 5-6 per week part in your first post and now it's 5-6 per month... Did the dealer tell you they just claim it's abuse and deny the claims automatically as well? Think man, think!

read my post below:

Originally posted by IkeWRX
Is it just me or did you edit out the 5-6 per week part in your first post and now it's 5-6 per month... Did the dealer tell you they just claim it's abuse and deny the claims automatically as well? Think man, think!

Here is my post:

you do know that the subaru dealers in the bay area are denying warranty claims on the transmissions that keep breaking? One of the local dealers gets on average 5-6 STI's back for a transmission breaking and they deny the claim and say its "ABUSE". I think its a bit crazy that subaru can design a transmission that is not strong enough to keep from breaking on heavy use, market the car as a ralley car and then deny claims when the transmission breaks.

Show me where I said weekly, please

Originally posted by zerobanger
Here is my post:

you do know that the subaru dealers in the bay area are denying warranty claims on the transmissions that keep breaking? One of the local dealers gets on average 5-6 STI's back (per week) for a transmission breaking and they deny the claim and say its "ABUSE". I think its a bit crazy that subaru can design a transmission that is not strong enough to keep from breaking on heavy use, market the car as a ralley car and then deny claims when the transmission breaks.

Show me where I said weekly, please

Right where I added it, since you edited it you may have actually wanted to reword it so it made sense...

Originally posted by IkeWRX
Right where I added it, since you edited it you may have actually wanted to reword it so it made sense...

MAN YOU ARE SUCH A FREAKING LIAR. I DID NOT EDIT THE POST

Originally posted by zerobanger
MAN YOU ARE SUCH A FREAKING LIAR. I DID NOT EDIT THE POST

If that's the case and I'm just over tired I'm sorry, but you're still full of it. The STi tranny is just fine.

Originally posted by IkeWRX
Right where I added it, since you edited it you may have actually wanted to reword it so it made sense... Either that or I'm just too damn tired, if that's the case I'm sorry. But O'm pretty sure on this one.

GO BACK to page 4 and show me where it said "LAST EDITED BY ZEROBANGER".

You are looking really bad in my eyes. First you call me a liar about what I said, then you accuse me of first saying weekly and then changing to monthly, and then accuse me of editing my post.

Thanks.

Originally posted by IkeWRX
If that's the case and I'm just over tired I'm sorry, but you're still full of it. The STi tranny is just fine.

And so are my FD's Apex seals (right now)

If you edit soon enough it doesn't show up as edited. Anyhow, see above, if you're not full of it whoever you talked to at the dealer is. Besides what the hell does the STi tranny have to do with what I said, or this thread?

Originally posted by IkeWRX
If you edit soon enough it doesn't show up as edited. Anyhow, see above, if you're not full of it whoever you talked to at the dealer is. Besides what the hell does the STi tranny have to do with what I said?

OH you are really pissing me off. I did not edit the post, furthermore I have never seen a forum that doesn't note that it was edited.

You are tired. re-read some of your comments and then read what I wrote and just maybe you will understand.

If you want to say the service department at Dorito Mazda/subaru in Walnut Creek California are Full of Shit, then cool, just dont accuse me of lying.

Originally posted by zerobanger
OH you are really pissing me off. I did not edit the post, furthermore I have never seen a forum that doesn't note that it was edited.

You are tired. re-read some of your comments and then read what I wrote and just maybe you will understand.

If you want to say the service department at Dorito Mazda/subaru in Walnut Creek California are Full of Shit, then cool, just dont accuse me of lying.

I like cake!

Originally posted by IkeWRX
You never told us who told you they just deny the claims as abuse.

Why does it matter? What do you want me to say?

John Smith ASC Certified Mechanic # 25, license # 608241S, works M-F from 7:30 AM to 8:00 PM Excluding holidays. TAkes lunch at 12 PM.

Just get over it. Do what you will with the info.

Isn't it neat how that works, when you quote something and then it changes... Hahahaha!

zerobanger, don't mind Ike the troll.

Just remember, he is 29 and drives a WRX STi. He also lives in Wisconsin and works in the wine industry.

A lot of things do not make sense about Ike.

Originally posted by IkeWRX
Isn't it neat how that works, when you quote something and then it changes... Hahahaha!

please humor me. What changed this time?

Originally posted by shift_zoom8
zerobanger, don't mind Ike the troll.

He also lives in Wisconsin.



I thought his posts were a bit cheesy....

Originally posted by shift_zoom8
zerobanger, don't mind Ike the troll.

Just remember, he is 29 and drives a WRX STi. He also lives in Wisconsin and works in the wine industry.

A lot of things do not make sense about Ike.

Don't lie! He doesn't drive an STi!! who told you!??!

:D

Originally posted by zerobanger
Why does it matter? What do you want me to say?

John Smith ASC Certified Mechanic # 25, license # 608241S, works M-F from 7:30 AM to 8:00 PM Excluding holidays. TAkes lunch at 12 PM.

Just get over it. Do what you will with the info.

It matters because a service guy at a dealer, your dealer especially, isn't going to tell you how they just deny all claims on something faulty and just blame it on the driver by calling it abuse.

Originally posted by IkeWRX
It matters because a service guy at a dealer, your dealer especially, isn't going to tell you how they just deny all claims on something faulty and just blame it on the driver by calling it abuse.

Listen, I never said it happened that way. this is getting old. All I'll say to you is the Subaru Dealer I am talking about denied claims at about 5-6 per month. If you want to believe that they told me directly or I found out from inside information, thats your problem.

If you dont want to believe the information, then dont.

Oh yea IKE, Dorito Mazda is not my dealer, I bought my car at Magnusens Fremont Mazda.

Wow these are all 04 STI's. I did a search and in minutes came up with these. GET OVER IT.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread/t-478966.html

wow, the NASIOC has a forum on warranty issues and SOA problems. Wow, there are threads about warranties being denied.


http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=478966

well... my tranny blew and I have a Turbo XS RFL/Ti TBE... is SOA going to try to void my warranty? If they do, how can I fight it. I know that they LEGALLY have to PROVE that the mod caused the problem. Any other "weapons" I should be prepared to use?

Any help is greatly appreciated,
Adam
I DONT KNOW EXACTLY HOW TO GO ABOUT THIS,,,, BUT A FRIEND OF MINE TOLD ME THAT AS A SOA CUST , WE HAVE THE LEGAL RIGHT TO PERSONALLY SPEAK W/ THE SOA INSPECTOR THAT IS GOING TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT TO PAY FOR THE WARR CLAIM./ I SET UP AN APPT W/ HIM SO THAT HE CAN HEARME OUT AND HOPEFULLY I CAN TALK MY WAY INTO HAVING MY TRANSMISSION DONE.


MAYBE YOU CAN DO THE SAME

1.) I never said Subaru didn't deny claims.

2.) You found the same thread twice, congrats!

3.) Isn't there someone with a RX-8 that blew his tranny twice? Does that mean the RX-8 tranny is twice as weak?

4.) Find me single car company that will accept powertrain warranty claims on a car that has TBE, MBC, and other mods...

Seems there would be more results if the dealer you are reffering to was getting 5-6 per week... err I mean month.

It's obvious that Ike is out of work.

Originally posted by IkeWRX
1.) I never said Subaru didn't deny claims.

2.) You found the same thread twice, congrats!

3.) Isn't there someone with a RX-8 that blew his tranny twice? Does that mean the RX-8 tranny is twice as weak?



Seems there would be more results if the dealer you are reffering to was getting 5-6 per week... err I mean month.

You are still calling me a liar, well what ever. My point was made.

And no, I dont feel very confident in my rx-8 transmission for drag racing (although better than the scooby tranny). The FD transmission is damn near bullet proof, love that one.

LOL, bring up Judge Ito, thats funny. Launch any STI as hard as Judge ITO launched his rx-8 and the STI aint going anywhere.

Originally posted by IkeWRX
1.) I never said Subaru didn't deny claims.

2.) You found the same thread twice, congrats!

3.) Isn't there someone with a RX-8 that blew his tranny twice? Does that mean the RX-8 tranny is twice as weak?

4.) Find me single car company that will accept powertrain warranty claims on a car that has TBE, MBC, and other mods...

Seems there would be more results if the dealer you are reffering to was getting 5-6 per week... err I mean month.

BTW, these cars were bone stock that were denied at this dealer.

Can we get past this? Im sure mazda will try to deny Rx-8 claims on broken transmissions too.

Originally posted by shift_zoom8
It's obvious that Ike is out of work.

Maybe he does PR work for subaru.