Has anyone compared the 2 types of magnetic fuel filters (the one that clips on the fuel line and the one that needs the fuel line to be cut in order to be installed)? Will the one that lets the fuel pass through it directly be more efficient than the one that clips on top of it so the fuel doesn't directly touch the magnet?

Hope you understand my poor explanation

Umm...what is this for?

All tests regarding increasing MPG were debunked a long time ago if thats what your after...

Junk Science

It is a proven fact that the magnet trick doesn't work. However if you are seriously interested in increasing your MPG, I recommend you get the Vortex from ebay.

It is a proven fact that the magnet trick doesn't work. However if you are seriously interested in increasing your MPG, I recommend you get the Vortex from ebay.

Haa haa haa....niiiiice...

Your being sarcastic right? Haa...good one...

:mdrmed:

You could also pull out your air filter and cover it about 90% in duct tape and put it back in.
Less air = less fuel = more mpg!!!

wouldn't that decrease performance as well (Vortex filter) - since it reduces air flow?

wouldn't that decrease performance as well (Vortex filter) - since it reduces air flow?

It was proven again to be junk and more of a restriction reducing MPG as well as possibly damaging your car if a chunk came loose by the same guys who also proved that the magnet thing was also junk.

The best way to increase MPG in our cars is simply to shift before 5k...like thats gonna happen haa haa

if its as cheap and easy to increase power as a magnet or $0.13 of sheet metal, then why didn't your 30K car come that way from the factory?

Better yet, why dont 100K cars have them?

I call conspiracy theory Now where did I put my tinfoil hat, I also made a one for my ECU, since we all know they are reading those too.

fuel isnt magnetic

the best way to increase MPG in the rx8 is to shift before 3750...after that the secondary fuel injectors kick in.

Since we're on the topic of magnets what does everyone think of the ones that go over oil filters and on trans pans in order to capture more metal particles?

Since we're on the topic of magnets what does everyone think of the ones that go over oil filters and on trans pans in order to capture more metal particles?

rotary performance actually promotes that one, so im much more inclined to believe the hype, if you will. im curious about these too. anyone?

A magnetic drain plug or oil filter magnet are usable items as they help catch and hold any metal in the oil. Just don't use the magnets that claim a mpg increase. You won't get one.

Regardless of whether magnetics will provide more mpg or not, Magnetism is always good for many applications. I use them in my house central heating as well as in the water supplu and I am convinced that it is good. The chemical modification of the fuel´s or water´s molecules convert the liquid to something different than it was before so the water that you drink is better for your body and the fuel is better for the engines life and smooth operation

Regardless of whether magnetics will provide more mpg or not, Magnetism is always good for many applications. I use them in my house central heating as well as in the water supplu and I am convinced that it is good. The chemical modification of the fuel´s or water´s molecules convert the liquid to something different than it was before so the water that you drink is better for your body and the fuel is better for the engines life and smooth operation

Sweet,

but magents chemically modify nothing. The only thing they would alter is the orientation of polar molecules.

This is true, magnets are good things, the CRT screen you are probably looking at is using magnetic fields to shoot electrons at the screen in specific patterns to allow you to read this message.

Yes magnets can align things and make them "flow smoother" because of this alignment. But only because this alignment. In fact the magnet in the fuel line will slow the stream of fuel slightly due to changing the direction of the molecules. linear momentum is converted to spin and velocity is lost. That and the second the fuel takes a bend in a pipe the alignment is lost.

So basically fuel magnets= slowing fuel delivery.

rotary performance actually promotes that one, so im much more inclined to believe the hype, if you will. im curious about these too. anyone?

Those might actually work out well...over time your going to have tiny metal shavings in your oil..the magnetic effect theoretically should attract those to stick inside the filter...however if the filter is doing its job right...it should also theoretically catch it without the magnet...I can see the intention, but I would rather just change my oil and filter more often to achieve the same effect.

Sweet,

but magents chemically modify nothing. The only thing they would alter is the orientation of polar molecules.

This is true, magnets are good things, the CRT screen you are probably looking at is using magnetic fields to shoot electrons at the screen in specific patterns to allow you to read this message.

Yes magnets can align things and make them "flow smoother" because of this alignment. But only because this alignment. In fact the magnet in the fuel line will slow the stream of fuel slightly due to changing the direction of the molecules. linear momentum is converted to spin and velocity is lost. That and the second the fuel takes a bend in a pipe the alignment is lost.

So basically fuel magnets= slowing fuel delivery.

Umm...youd have to have a pretty strong magnet (non-rare earth...read: electromagnet) in order to affect the flow of ANYTHING non ferrous. I do know a bit about magnets so...trust me on this one...aighnt gonna happen even with N60 type magnets...

Some salespeople came to my house trying to sell me $3,000 magnetic mattress. They claim it helps improve the blood circulation and all. They provided newspaper cutouts about it, but when I asked if using the magnetic mattress would have any harmful side effects, they produced a medical report about how MRI scanners are safe as magnets have no or little effect on humans.
So I asked them, if magnets have no or little effect on humans, then why are you all trying to sell me a $3,000 magnetic mattress? Then I showed them the door.

Regardless of whether magnetics will provide more mpg or not, Magnetism is always good for many applications. I use them in my house central heating as well as in the water supplu and I am convinced that it is good. The chemical modification of the fuel´s or water´s molecules convert the liquid to something different than it was before so the water that you drink is better for your body and the fuel is better for the engines life and smooth operation

And I've got $10 million in Nigerian oil revenues I need you to help me get out of the country. You seem like a discrete and discriminating man who will understand the plan I have to present to you . . . . . . . .

This is the part that cracks me up. What if the something different is bad, you don't know what it is, it's just "something different"?

Whatever it does is only for the moment the water/fuel is near the magnet, what about the rest of its journey, like when you put the water in a glass do the molecules stay lined up then???


The chemical modification of the fuel´s or water´s molecules convert the liquid to something different than it was before so the water that you drink is better for your body and the fuel is better for the engines life and smooth operation

In order for this to work, you also have to get the magnetic air filter in order to get the air molecules and the gasoline molecules lined up the same way. Perhaps you've heard of the corriolis effect? This is the chorus-line effect.

The ladies in this picture achieve perfect alignment by means of a large magnet placed by the choreographer under the floor panels.

http://www.lib.uchicago.edu/e/spcl/centcat/quad/images/quads_img57_lrg.jpg

haa...nice

wouldn't that decrease performance as well (Vortex filter) - since it reduces air flow?

The Vortex is a highly underappreciated piece of sophisticated technology and there are proven theories of why it works.

The Vortex allignes the air and puts a spin on it simulating a tornado. The Vortex would be the top of the tornado and the air would speed up further down the line and go into your engine.

It also reduces drag on the air. Some people think that the only way to reduce the drag between the air and piping is to bore out the piping; but the Vortex "bores out" the air. Every try catching a ball that is spinning? It's much harder than catching a ball that is not spinning. The same applies to the Vortex. It spins the air to reduce its drag.

Some people try to debunk the Vortex by asking the age old question "If it's so good, then why don't we use it?" The truth is that it's not worth it. Car companies would much rather sell you a new car with and electric engine than sell you a $2 part that would make your gas engine give you the same MPG. It's all about the money for them.

The Vortex is a highly underappreciated piece of sophisticated technology and there are proven theories of why it works.

The Vortex allignes the air and puts a spin on it simulating a tornado. The Vortex would be the top of the tornado and the air would speed up further down the line and go into your engine.

It also reduces drag on the air. Some people think that the only way to reduce the drag between the air and piping is to bore out the piping; but the Vortex "bores out" the air. Every try catching a ball that is spinning? It's much harder than catching a ball that is not spinning. The same applies to the Vortex. It spins the air to reduce its drag.

Some people try to debunk the Vortex by asking the age old question "If it's so good, then why don't we use it?" The truth is that it's not worth it. Car companies would much rather sell you a new car with and electric engine than sell you a $2 part that would make your gas engine give you the same MPG. It's all about the money for them.

Dude...I'm going to pretend that you are joking and dont actually believe what you typed.

First...even if you had a tornado...do you really think it would ever make it into the combustion chamber...at all...seriously? If you do, then you need to learn a thing or two about intake manifolds...but let me tell you this...IT WILL NEVER MAKE IT ANYWHERE NEAR THE COMBUSTION CHAMBER.

Second...it only adds a restriction above all else...

Third its based on psuedoscience and gimmicks...

And FINALLY...the nail in the coffin...it was TESTED and found to be a complete joke along with all the other gimmicks...

I'll post a link in a few minutes to the article so perhaps we can put this junk to rest.

Testing conducted fairly and scientifically...

http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/new_cars/1802932.html?page=2

QUOTE:

VORTEX GENERATORS
These devices, which are usually installed on the upstream side of the mass airflow (MAF) sensor, use stationary vanes or, on some devices, spinning blades to make the inlet air between the air cleaner and intake manifold whirl around in a mini-tornado. This vortex supposedly mixes fuel more thoroughly with air, which means the fuel will, theoretically, burn more completely in the combustion chamber. Trouble is, there's a lot of intake tract downstream from these devices designed to maximize a smooth airflow. Turbulence, coupled with the restricted airflow caused by the device, can only reduce the amount of air sucked into the manifold. Less air means less power.
Again, we tested two devices. The TornadoFuelSaver is a nicely made stainless steel contraption, available in an assortment of sizes to fit most vehicles. We installed it on our truck's intake tract immediately upstream of the MAF sensor. We purchased the second device, the Intake Twister, on eBay. It was crudely handmade from sheet-aluminum flashing and pop rivets. It looked like something we could make in about 10 minutes from an old soda can. The staff at UTI was reluctant to install it: The bent sheetmetal vanes looked as if they might break off and be digested by the engine. The device is one-size-fits-all, and is simply bent into a curl to insert it into the intake duct.

THE DYNO SAYS: Both devices reduced peak horsepower by more than 10 percent. The Intake Twister increased fuel consumption by about 20 percent; the TornadoFuelSaver provided no significant change.

Dude...I'm going to pretend that you are joking and dont actually believe what you typed.




hahahahaha. It was a joke. I'm sure of it. Must have been.... He can't be serious... :rollingla

Umm...youd have to have a pretty strong magnet (non-rare earth...read: electromagnet) in order to affect the flow of ANYTHING non ferrous. I do know a bit about magnets so...trust me on this one...aighnt gonna happen even with N60 type magnets...

Sure, you certainly do know a lot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FvWtEdY4sE&mode=related&search=

the reason why vortex thingys can never work is because they are positioned in the wrong location. In order for a vortex system to be effective it would have to be approx 10 feet in front of the cars intake and about 15 feet wide. This would reduce the pressure differential between the car's vacuum effect on ambient.

As for physically in the intake tube, it would never work.

Sure, you certainly do know a lot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FvWtEdY4sE&mode=related&search=

Um...it did NOT affect the FLOW of water which was my point. Also what your video shows is a strong magnet's effect on a pool of WATER. If you had any understanding of WHY it happens and WHAT is happening with water...you would realize that FUEL would NOT produce the same effect. Much less actually do anything to affect the FLOW.

So besides trying to make yourself look smart...all you have demonstrated is that you know how to use google...congratulations...

the reason why vortex thingys can never work is because they are positioned in the wrong location. In order for a vortex system to be effective it would have to be approx 10 feet in front of the cars intake and about 15 feet wide. This would reduce the pressure differential between the car's vacuum effect on ambient.

As for physically in the intake tube, it would never work.

No they would never work because you want SMOOTH air flow and NOT turbulent air flow...

Your attempts to make yourself sound smart only serve to show how little you actually know about fluid dynamics or basic physics. Just stop...seriously, its simply silly.

Sure, you certainly do know a lot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FvWtEdY4sE&mode=related&search=Is gasoline dipolar (vis'a'vis water)?

Is gasoline dipolar (vis'a'vis water)?

Excellent question...ding ding ding ding ding...not NEARLY as much as water is...

Diamagnetism is also one of the WEAKEST effects...

Real knowledge FTW! haa

I can't believe people still think all this crap works........its just........beyond......me

Um...it did NOT affect the FLOW of water which was my point. Also what your video shows is a strong magnet's effect on a pool of WATER. If you had any understanding of WHY it happens and WHAT is happening with water...you would realize that FUEL would NOT produce the same effect. Much less actually do anything to affect the FLOW.

So besides trying to make yourself look smart...all you have demonstrated is that you know how to use google...congratulations...

Lol, if your not in medical school, don't even attempt to think your smarter than me.

The device does what I said it does, in this application it slows down the flow of any polar molecule in its path. Gasoline, being composed mainly of hydrocarbons is polar, as is water.

the vortex idea works as I say it does also.

if you have any questions, take a few more classes and we can talk when you finish 6 more years of college.

Just stop...seriously...your making yourself look like an idiot...

Its good your in school...stay there you need it...good thing its medical school too as engineering is not your cup of tea...

Keep trying to make yourself look better tho...some of us are confident enough (read: above) to not resort to "I'm bigger and better than everyone". Keep your eyes/ears open in school and you might just pass.

Lol, if your not in medical school, don't even attempt to think your smarter than me.


I LOVE all that chest thumping...touch insecure arent we? :rofl:

If you learn ONE thing its that there will ALWAYS be someone smarter than you. You might be talking to an MIT grad and never know because some people KNOW BETTER than to think they are better than anyone else.

All you have proven is how shallow, insecure and ignorant you really are. :icon_no2:

A truely smart individual knows that intelligence and knowledge do not make them better than someone else. Hopefully you learn that lesson one day on your own. Best of luck to you. :Peace:

^ +1

staticlag:

I have known quite a few doctors, medical students, intern, fellows, residents, etc. Some of the been very smart and some of them have been frighteningly stupid.

In fact if you have studied ANYTHING beyond high school physics and chemistry or even if you had GOOD high school classes (or even better yet had more common sense) you wouldn't believe something so silly.

The device does what I said it does, in this application it slows down the flow of any polar molecule in its path. Gasoline, being composed mainly of hydrocarbons is polar, as is water.


It's a matter of magnitude. Realize the clip you presented was quite sensitive even though it used common materials. Disturbance of an optical surface can be detected down to fraction of a wavelength of light -- check out the Foucault test used by amateur telescope makers -- can detect surface irregularities easily down to 1/8, even 1/20 of a wavelength of visible light, all doable with simple materials -- party like it's 1699.

Compare that tiny displacment of water at rest to the flow of fuel through a line under pressure from a fuel pump. Then adjust for the relative diagmagnetic strengths of the two materials. Maybe the effect is not zero but for practical purposes it might as well be.

On a toasty note,

I may be stating the obvious but it seemed like staticlag just copy/pasted an eBay listing.