If I have to read one more post on how someone wants to get a lawyer involved or uphold the lemon law due to the MPG or the horsepower not being what they thought (even after Mazda's offer), I think I may have to kill myself.

I understand that everyone can't be happy with their car, but every day there is a new thread on this issue, and it is annoying...so annoying that it is turning me away from this once awesome site.

Mods, you should make a separate section under the Lounge that says "Idiots who love to hate their RX8"

Ugh.

Well I don't think your title will fly, but their should be a separate place for Warranty issues.

Originally posted by RX8Lover
If I have to read one more post on how someone wants to get a lawyer involved or uphold the lemon law due to the MPG or the horsepower not being what they thought (even after Mazda's offer), I think I may have to kill myself.I must be missing something...what exactly is forcing you to read those threads? I agree that they're annoying, but do yourself a favour and skip the thread if you don't like the look of it. Your blood pressure will thank you. :)

Originally posted by RX8Lover
If I have to read one more post ... Ugh.

Perhaps you need to take a rest from the forums RX8Lover, or perhaps you can ask the moderators for a quiet room where only positive and uplifting comments and opinions are posted esp for you until you are well enough to withstand others opinions that upset you. Or, as mentioned above, you do not HAVE to read posts you find annoying.

Since you made a point of it, I'm actually a tad tired of seeing your winny posts everywhere about this topic.

It cuts both ways you know! :(

I know I don't have to click the thread, but just seeing them in the list of threads is enough to be annoying. I think making a warranty section is a good idea.

I also want to reinforce that I do NOT feel that everyone needs to love everything about the car. I know there are different tastes, and also different problems that arise with each driver.

What I do have a problem is with redundant threads that talk about the same issue AGAIN and AGAIN.

Originally posted by RX8Lover
What I do have a problem is with redundant threads that talk about the same issue AGAIN and AGAIN.

Perhaps it is that each person who gets the car gets both excited and annoyed at certain things and can't contain themselves. So instead of searching or being happy that others have brought it up, they want to share their experiences too.

I think this is natual with a new toy, and will just have to run its course for a while. Such is life! ;) All will end well one day and we will be wondering whatever happened to all those passonate enough to post all over this board (but I hope not!). Peace be with you!

Well I think I'm partly responsible for THIS thread, and I do want to apologize some. I realize that the title of the thread I posted yesterday was a little harsh and probably innapropriate. I didn't intend on ranting about "bringing lawyers in" and all that.. the whole lawsuit thing was more of a question to see what OTHER people thought than anything else.

However, it's become evident that to some people, first impressions are everything, and that because they didn't like the very first word of the thread, that they would assume the entire subject was worthless and annoying, rather than actually taking the effort to read what I and others had to say, and realizing that we all have good intentions about the whole ordeal.

This sort of quick to judge, close minded, snap to conlusions attitude always strikes me as somewhat childish, not to mention a bit hypocritical when a person makes post after post "whining" about how they dislike whining. Especially when the people they're criticising are being very friendly and just trying to be productive at finding answers to outstanding issues.

When I'm curious about something, I ask questions. If there's no answer, I'll keep looking and asking until I find one. Just because something has been "discussed" before doesn't necessarily mean it's been solved.

That's really all I have to say at the moment! Thanks for listening :D

-Tresch

Originally posted by RX8Lover
If I have to read one more post on how someone wants to get a lawyer involved or uphold the lemon law due to the MPG or the horsepower not being what they thought (even after Mazda's offer), I think I may have to kill myself.

I understand that everyone can't be happy with their car, but every day there is a new thread on this issue, and it is annoying...so annoying that it is turning me away from this once awesome site.

Mods, you should make a separate section under the Lounge that says "Idiots who love to hate their RX8"

Ugh.

I agree completely. I feel there are so many of these posts because a lot of people may be new to online forums and don't know exactly how to use them. Maybe that's why every other post is about MPG or HP. We get the same post over and over again...

I must be missing something...what exactly is forcing you to read those threads?

No one has to read the threads, but every other thread title is about the damn MPG or HP...it's killing this forum.

Maybe I'll whip up a website regarding it or something, so those of us whom it does concern has a place to go for reference.

"We get the same post over and over again..."

All I'm saying is, yeah, you might get the same posts over and over again, but the reason you do is because noone's come up with any real answers.. so why not keep digging?

I DO understand your concern, and why it might get a bit annoying, but if people are asking a question a lot, that means it concerns a lot of people. Why not provide an area of reference where people with this concern can find the facts so they don't have to ask all the time? I dunno.. just ideas!

Originally posted by RX8Lover
If I have to read one more post on how someone wants to get a lawyer involved or uphold the lemon law due to the MPG or the horsepower not being what they thought (even after Mazda's offer), I think I may have to kill myself.

I understand that everyone can't be happy with their car, but every day there is a new thread on this issue, and it is annoying...so annoying that it is turning me away from this once awesome site.

Mods, you should make a separate section under the Lounge that says "Idiots who love to hate their RX8"

Ugh. Suck it up princess!! There is always two sides to a story. You are still on your HONEYMOON!!! :p

Originally posted by Tresch
I dunno.. just ideas!

Tresch, you DO know. You may be a newbee here, but IMHO you have a way to point out the root of a discussion, without getting overly emotional, upset, or ballistic. You LIKE a good discussion, just wish others could be more dispassionate too so it doesn't get so emotional and heated.

Don't change or stop, I see nothing but analytical pursuit in your quests:)

If more people used the "search" function they'd find their topic and can pile on there. But that might take some effort so the lazy thing to do is start a new thread on a topic that has been thoroughly covered elsewhere. HP? Synthetic or Dino Oil? 8 vs Z? Zaino or Mcguires? There's no good reason to start a new thread about those topics, unless you've checked the threads and have a new angle or point of interest to offer up. One man's opinion.

Originally posted by LesPaul
If more people used the "search" function they'd find their topic and can pile on there. But that might take some effort so the lazy thing to do is start a new thread on a topic that has been thoroughly covered elsewhere. HP? Synthetic or Dino Oil? 8 vs Z? Zaino or Mcguires? There's no good reason to start a new thread about those topics, unless you've checked the threads and have a new angle or point of interest to offer up. One man's opinion.

Exactly. 'Nuff said.

Originally posted by Tresch
Well I think I'm partly responsible for THIS thread, and I do want to apologize some. I realize that the title of the thread I posted yesterday was a little harsh and probably innapropriate. I didn't intend on ranting about "bringing lawyers in" and all that.. the whole lawsuit thing was more of a question to see what OTHER people thought than anything else.

Just want to say, since your other thread was closed so quickly, that I understood and agreed with what you were trying to say. I, too, am frustrated by lack of real info by Mazda. I am keeping the car, and I like the car, and I'm not whining too much about it on this forum, but I am frustrated by lack of hard information. I made a decision to keep my RX-8 without knowing exactly what they did to it at the port. That bothers me, and I think that's what you were getting at on your doomed thread. I believe the ECU programming on my car is different from newer cars, or even other cars at different ports of entry. I would like to know specifically and factually what MNAO did to my car so if I care to make a case to reprogram my ECU to something I deem more favorable I would have the info needed to make my case. Right now, all I have are rumors, suspicion and innuendo. I don't like being kept in the dark like that.

Back to RX8 Lover's comments, I also agree with him. Before the HP/mpg issues reared their ugly heads every thread here was fresh and exciting, and generally informative. Now there is a lot of stale, recycled stuff, 80 percent in the general forum seems to be related to this which dilutes all the other interesting stuff we could be talking about. As stated, no one makes you click on any given thread but many of the thread titles are so uninformative ("Sick, check this out" or "Has anyone seen this?") that you don't know what you're getting until you click.

Two lessons from this: One, please give informative titles to your threads. Instead ("Hey, has anyone thought of this" try something like "Possible solution to the heat problem.") Secondly, unless you've really got new information vice rehashed griping and opinions consider it not worthy of posting. This obviously cannot be enforced but we should all make an effort to keep our topics vibrant and relevant.

I agree the threads are countless on mpg and hp.
However,some of them are interesting and provide good info
What pisses me off is when I see threads about something totally diferent being discussed and ends in mpg and hp issues

I really wish they would create a new forum for those whining about the whiners. I am getting so tired of reading about those who are sick of reading about those who don't like their cars. ;)

Seriously, if you don't want to read about HP or mileage, don't click on the threads. If the fact that they exist bothers you then you may want to seek some therapy. :D

Originally posted by tagS60
I really wish they would create a new forum for those whining about the whiners. I am getting so tired of reading about those who are sick of reading about those who don't like their cars. ;)

Seriously, if you don't want to read about HP or mileage, don't click on the threads. If the fact that they exist bothers you then you may want to seek some therapy. :D

You should take your own advice! ;)

It keeps going on because we don't have straight answers from Mazda.

In Germany they advertise the RX-8 as having a power output of 231PS

http://www.mazda.de/rx-8/de/upclose/specs/specs2.asp

231PS is equal to 227.8HP

In other words Mazda is STILL lying to us.

That makes some people very angry.

It has already been established that the cars have different ECU programming due to Emissions standards. That is why It is 250HP in Japan, 238 in the US, and lower in the UK.

Sorry you didn't do your homework or refuse to accept the facts.

It keeps going on because we don't have straight answers from Mazda.

In Germany they advertise the RX-8 as having a power output of 231PS

http://www.mazda.de/rx-8/de/upclose/specs/specs2.asp

231PS is equal to 227.8HP

In other words Mazda is STILL lying to us.

That makes some people very angry.


It has already been established that the cars have different ECU programming due to Emissions standards. That is why It is 250HP in Japan, 238 in the US, and lower in the UK.

See... even this threads threatens to turn into another hp issue hijacking.

-JiM

I know! It needs to stop! :o

OK, then no MPG and no HP ( Kind of like a horse with no legs):

When I bought my car the dealer put on the sales invoice a few things, including a BLOCK HEATER.
That is a pretty automatic thing to do around here.
I live in Edmonton. Ever see the wrong side of -40 ?

Guess what: No block heater. No place to put a block heater.
I asked about using a circulating heater instead ( plugs inline in heater hose). These are a pretty standard approach in colder climes.
"Sorry, as it would not be a genuine Mazda part it would void your warranty"
I got that answer from both the dealer AND Mazda Canada.

Whining? Imagine the whining when you get up to find your motor is toast..

Here let's save somebody the trouble:

"You should not drive your RX-8 in the winter"

Why not?
And besides, even if I did not drive it, if it froze and toasted the motor, would Mazda cover that under warranty?

I don't think so..

"Why don't you put it in a heated garage"

Because I do not have a spare heated garage, thank you.