Autobild testdrive (http://www.autobild.de/aktuell/neuheiten/artikel.php?artikel_id=2975#)

More pics and informations tomorrow, I'll scan the article..

Stefan Janssen
Germany

Damn......you are me one step ahead! I was just about to post it here

I like the RX more in yellow

lets see- sunroof, left hand drive, plate holder, black stems for the side mirrors, bigger ducts in front- this must be the one from mazda irvine/ sevenstock with the bra and panties removed, looks great!:D
edit: anybody got a translation for us. from my small understanding of german i dont see anything new but the pic.

Click for translation (http://babelfish.altavista.com/urltrurl?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.autobild.de%2Faktuel l%2Fneuheiten%2Fartikel.php%3Fartikel_id%3D2975%23&lp=de_en&tt=url)

Enjoy "translating the translation"!

RX8Dreamer

Well, whatever they said . . . it seemed to be good! :D

first two pics...
number one

...and number two

theese do seem to be new pics, not recycled ones. i like the 0 of the tach being at the bottom. and the other shot clearly shows colored seat inserts and of course the steering wheel. i say this is new because you can see a line on the roof which is either the gutters or the edge of the sun/moon roof:cool: are those from that article as well?

That pic looks VERY different at the front to even the latest red car from the video's... the main air intake seems deeper and the side ducts are way bigger...

Mabe I've just lost the plot... but I swear it's different!

No one has commented on the freakn' ugly side turn indicators/reflectors that magicaly have popped up on this incarnation. They are horizontal and just ahead of the front wheel. They are recking the classic lines of OUR RX-8!

PLEASE TELL ME THEY ARE NOT SERIOUS!

Originally posted by Puppy1
No one has commented on the freakn' ugly side turn indicators/reflectors that magicaly have popped up on this incarnation. They are horizontal and just ahead of the front wheel. They are recking the classic lines of OUR RX-8!

PLEASE TELL ME THEY ARE NOT SERIOUS!

Yep! I was just talking about that... they are hideous... I won't say it, as I'd find it hard not to be rude, but PLEASE!

http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/22634.jpg

are those turn indicators mandatory in the us? i hope not. also is the rx8 logo on the front in a plate holder or attached to the grill?

:p well, i'm gonna have to say i like them... i LIKE turn signals, and those are neat, i like the positioning... i just wish they wrapped around to the front, touching the side of the head lamp...

and those bigger ducts look SICK!!! i agree with Blue, this one is definitely different... :D

anyone notice the size of those huge wheels??? are those 18"s??? yikes... :eek:

are the turn sigs there because they are not on the mirrors?:mad:

Looks like the center part of the front portrudes a little bit, like the Ferrari F60 (but not overdone). The inlets are definately bigger. And if this picture is from the same article, it looks like the gauges might be white illumination now (or it could be a poor picture):

http://www.rx8forum.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=13029

Edit - those gauges ARE different. For one, the redline is shown as 9000 RPM, whereas the other photos showed it as 8500.

The whole car looks much meaner.

http://www.rabidpineapple.com/site/misc/rx_8.jpg

Putting stoneguard or x-pel on the front is going to be much harder...

i think i know what my first mod will be now:D

This is one of the best pics of the RX-8 that I've seen. It looks slicker than I remember. Thanks for the treat.

Actually, those teeth look pretty sweet! Makes it look like a hammerhead shark. Who was asking about mods? There's your first one ;)

This is not the one from Irvine, but you are now looking at the 'REAL THING":D

You can see that the front end has changed considerably and LOOKS A LOT BETTER, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE!

THIS CAR IS AWESOME. ENJOY:D :D

This is not the one from Irvine, but you are now looking at the 'REAL THING"
boo, are youy saying the side mirror stalks are going to be that way?
and yeah i am seriously considering the teeth.:D i wonder if they will be an option from the factory with a warrenty and everything?:D ;)

Hey, it's halloween here. :D Too bad I don't have an RX-8 right now. *cough* mazda *cough*

Boo... are those side signalers going to be there for the us model as well....? AND YES THE FRONT END DOES LOOK BETTER.... about it looking meaner well it SHOULD its a MEAN car. :D

This may be moot now, but has anyone seen this picture before:

http://www.rx7wi.org/images/news/renesis12.jpg

There are a couple of others at this site (http://www.rx7wi.org/news.html) that I hadn't seen before.

Saw it a few days ago.... some pretty cool views of the renesis

wow Thanks for confirmation boowanan I think we all owe him 5lbs of candy for halloween ^_^

Originally posted by PoLaK
Boo... are those side signalers going to be there for the us model as well....? AND YES THE FRONT END DOES LOOK BETTER.... about it looking meaner well it SHOULD its a MEAN car. :D

No, I'm gonna wait for more pictures... but I think the secondary air intakes on the front could be just a little too big.,.. have they over tweaked it?

I really don't like the turn indicators, and it's a shame about the mirrors... otherwise... well, I'm not convinced... Like I say, I'll wait for more pics, but I _think_ they ruined it!

edit:-

Somone said that was harsh... but this is that I think FROM THAT SINGLE PICTURE ONLY....

I really don't like the way the ancilary intakes are bigger than the headlights... or the way they nearly touch the main intake.... I'm also not sure about the now almost non-existant break between the main intake and the front defuser...

Mabe it will grow on me...

peering closer... the problem might have a LOT to do with the picture being too dark... I'm gonna have to wait and see...

I like the larger intakes. The car look much more serious, even if the front end always looked like it was smiling at me. :D The curves, creases, all are much more pronouced and bold. I like it. A lot.

It is a shame about the mirrors. I wish they would have kept that and the grills on the hood. :( Oh well, it's still a beautiful car.

Originally posted by boowana
This is not the one from Irvine, but you are now looking at the 'REAL THING":D



Does that mean that the redline is finally 9K not 8500... as shown in this pic... if thats the final version?

Originally posted by Gaidin
It is a shame about the mirrors. I wish they would have kept that and the grills on the hood. :( Oh well, it's still a beautiful car.

Amen...

bout the mirrors we just gonna hvae to rewire and fit the turnsignals to the mirrors our selves
if they dont putem there fot hose who waint it..errr crappy tping do to intociation

Here is a picture without the plate in the front grill, MUCH better:

http://www.rx8forum.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=13115

As for all the critiques of the side marker: I don't like it either. But in North America we rarely get the same exterior lighting as Europe does, so maybe it won't make it here. Side markers aren't a requirement in NA. That said, if it does make it into production, it won't be a deal-breaker for me.

Originally posted by Grimace
Here is a picture without the plate in the front grill, MUCH better:

http://www.rx8forum.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=13115



Wow... I thought I liked the RX-8 in the middle there but it does look a whole lot better without.

Also I'm not sure the the ducts are quite as bad as I thought...

Still need more pics... Trying to see the back, did we loose the nice boot lip too, or is that just too far out of sight?

This pic might just have changed my colour choice... get a darker colour so it doesn't exagerate the bigger ducts!

her you go blue i lightened it up so you can see the ducts better
http://www.rx8forum.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=13122

I think the rotor cutouts in the seats have gotten the ax.

This car is going to look great in black or dark dark blue...

thats exactatly what i said to some1 (ie Blue) grim. I like the X-car color.

Can someone make this thread sticky?

Originally posted by Grimace
I think the rotor cutouts in the seats have gotten the ax.


Nope. Still there.:)

I guess they moved the side markers to the fender since it's easier for people to see when you're about to cut in front of them. You obviously can't see the maker blinking on the side mirror, and if you're right next to the car, you can't see the rear blinker.

Maybe that's why so many german cars have a little blinker on the side.

I agree with the mirrors. They should be completely painted in, or at least have the black plastic minimized.

And how about a nose mask with teeth sewn in? :D

Make the side markers CLEAR please.. orange is so boring :)

For Grimace I took the time to show him..

http://www.rx8forum.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=13150

The article says, 9000 rpm redline, with a warning buzzer at 9500 (real redline). This should mean the fuel cut isn't til close to 10,000 :)

Originally posted by Hercules
Make the side markers CLEAR please.. orange is so boring :)

Unfortunately the US requires amber reflectors in the front somewhere. :( Red reflectors are required in the rear.

Originally posted by fuz


Unfortunately the US requires amber reflectors in the front somewhere. :( Red reflectors are required in the rear.
oh....
DOH!

The amber lights in front could be built into the headlamp housing.

I'm a little discouraged about the markers, which I do agree ruin the lines a little bit.

Does the car look less "sleek" to anyone? Though from a distance it definitely has a meaner look to it.

I agree about the black mirrors being body color. That would probably look a little more upscale. Can anyone photoshop that?

Boowana, any more you can add?

Glad to see you guys think the rotor-in-the-seats made it in. I honestly couldn't tell.
For those who want clear sidemarkers: Wait about 5 minutes after the car comes out, and you'll be able to get them anywhere. :D
Body colour mirrors would have been nice, but there is an easy solution: Buy a black car. :) Seriously, take it to a bodyshop and for a couple hundred dollars they should be able to paint that black bit for you body colour. I did that with my current car myself, it was easy.
Can anyone photoshop that pic and make the car different colours? Drk. blue and black maybe?

Originally posted by Jerome81
The amber lights in front could be built into the headlamp housing.

I'm a little discouraged about the markers, which I do agree ruin the lines a little bit.

Does the car look less "sleek" to anyone? Though from a distance it definitely has a meaner look to it.

I agree about the black mirrors being body color. That would probably look a little more upscale. Can anyone photoshop that?

Boowana, any more you can add?

Yep, I agree with all that...

It won't stop me having one, only minor cosmetic issues... but the indicators (markers, turn signals, whatever).. are a let down. It Might make me get a darker colour though.

I still need to see more pics, but you've hit the nail on the head for me... the more agressive look seems somehow to take away from the sleek look at the front... If it's needed for better cooling that's different of course...

There also seems to me somthing weird going on since the car doesn't seem to be sitting flat on the tarmac... I can see under it, which is surely wrong? Although the wheels do seem to be sitting satisfyingly high in the arches....

Seriously, take it to a bodyshop and for a couple hundred dollars they should be able to paint that black bit for you body colour.

Sounds like a ripoff :p Body shop shouldnt charge more than 100 bucks to paint those.

Heres one with painted mirrors, no sidemarkers and a little gunmetal love :)
http://www.rx8forum.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=13180

Originally posted by Grimace

Can anyone photoshop that pic and make the car different colours? Drk. blue and black maybe?

Here's a dark blue4U

Originally posted by Snowman


Here's a dark blue4U
That's going to be my color when the car comes out :)

changed the color of the side view mirror 4 u...

PoLaK:

The sidelights you see in this photo are "Euro-spec" and will not be on our version.

:)

HALELUJA! :o

I've seen that picture before because that is my hand :)

I haven't heard anything further on the key, between then and now, but when I asked Mr Kei Kado about the key (he was the one showing it off) he smiled, and said "we'll see"


Originally posted by B-Nez
This may be moot now, but has anyone seen this picture before:

http://www.rx7wi.org/images/news/renesis12.jpg

There are a couple of others at this site (http://www.rx7wi.org/news.html) that I hadn't seen before.

Originally posted by BlueAdept
There also seems to me somthing weird going on since the car doesn't seem to be sitting flat on the tarmac... I can see under it, which is surely wrong? Although the wheels do seem to be sitting satisfyingly high in the arches....
the car is in motion. the guy driving is looking and turning to the left!

Originally posted by boowana
PoLaK:

The sidelights you see in this photo are "Euro-spec" and will not be on our version.

:)
wooooohoooo! now about them mirrors boowana?

What you see is what you get as far as the side mirrors go.

Remeber the riddle?/ I mentioned that a riddle could also be called a puzzle.

Now look at the car depicted in the puzzle and compare it to this photo...Mmmmmm!

So where are the scans of the full article? Does it have more pics? Damn, I wish I knew someone in Germany...

The puzzle photo shows the mirror being all red with turn signals.

Originally posted by boowana
What you see is what you get as far as the side mirrors go.

Remeber the riddle?/ I mentioned that a riddle could also be called a puzzle.

Now look at the car depicted in the puzzle and compare it to this photo...Mmmmmm!

Well, the puzzle has the turn signals on the mirrors and driving lights in the oil cooling ducts.....:confused:

i see a fog lamp... so how's this...?? :D

Originally posted by zoom44

the car is in motion. the guy driving is looking and turning to the left!

OOps... yeah... Just looked so crisp I assumed it was still!

can any1 tell me how to attach a file so dat we can all see...?? and not clicking the link again and again? ...do u know what i mean?

Originally posted by Cihuuy
i see a fog lamp... so how's this...?? :D

It's looking better all the time... fog lamps... body colour mirrors... no daft turn signal, no RX-8 logo on the front... you know... I think I _AM_ gonna be modding my car on day one after all...

I wonder what parts I have to ship from the US to loose those indicators...

Perhaps there's some things that can be had as options?

Turn signal was on the sevenstock car... that new front is that they were hiding under the bra... wonder what they have done to the back!

Originally posted by BlueAdept


OOps... yeah... Just looked so crisp I assumed it was still!
yeah it was kinda hard to tell until i looked hard at the one i brightened. there is just the tiniest blurring on the front wheel. was taken by a really fast camera. and i am dieing to see the back now too. i hope we dont have to wait until january!

I actually think I might LIKE the side mirrors. It's kind of hard to tell, but the black bit looks like it might be glossy or perhaps even carbon fibre, and not that flat, rough, el cheapo unpainted plastic. If it is glossy, I like it. If it is carbon, I love it.

Originally posted by B-Nez
I actually think I might LIKE the side mirrors. It's kind of hard to tell, but the black bit looks like it might be glossy or perhaps even carbon fibre, and not that flat, rough, el cheapo unpainted plastic. If it is glossy, I like it. If it is carbon, I love it.

I don't mind the half-black side mirrors either. What I do miss is the turn idicator on it.

Originally posted by Snowman


Here's a dark blue4U

You are my new hero. Thanks!

I know some people like the new mirrors but what the hell are Mazda doing removing the indicator?!! The Rx-8 looked so much better with the indicator on the mirror than on the wing. So now they just stick some bog standard indicator from any old car on it and loses its sophisticated Mercedes styling?!
Beats me:mad:

(Sorry for the rant:o )

Originally posted by Cihuuy
can any1 tell me how to attach a file so dat we can all see...?? and not clicking the link again and again? ...do u know what i mean?

http://www.rx8forum.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=13197

Originally posted by Mazda man
I know some people like the new mirrors but what the hell are Mazda doing removing the indicator?!! The Rx-8 looked so much better with the indicator on the mirror than on the wing. So now they just stick some bog standard indicator from any old car on it and loses its sophisticated Mercedes styling?!
Beats me:mad:

(Sorry for the rant:o )

Yep, I might have been a bit premature with the rest of the styling... but that turn signal really grates.... look it's here too...

http://www.rx8forum.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=13239

Ya know, even though those markers aren't gonna be on the US car, that picture we have is pretty darn horrible. I wonder if its poor quality makes the side markers look even more like an afterthought?

Originally posted by boowana
What you see is what you get as far as the side mirrors go.

Remeber the riddle?/ I mentioned that a riddle could also be called a puzzle.

Now look at the car depicted in the puzzle and compare it to this photo...Mmmmmm!

Boowana, so are you saying that the puzzle is the correct thing? I'm a bit confused... :confused:

Originally posted by boowana
PoLaK:

The sidelights you see in this photo are "Euro-spec" and will not be on our version.

:)

Are you saying that the German car we are seeing now is NOT the same one we saw in Irvine? And if they are two separate cars, why would the one in Irvine have the European lights???

Originally posted by Mazda man
I know some people like the new mirrors but what the hell are Mazda doing removing the indicator?!! The Rx-8 looked so much better with the indicator on the mirror than on the wing. So now they just stick some bog standard indicator from any old car on it and loses its sophisticated Mercedes styling?!
Beats me:mad:

(Sorry for the rant:o )

I hate to break to you all, but Mazda may not have much of a choice in the matter. The 2002 reg is not yet online, but according to the 2001 CFR 49, Chapter 5, Part 571 (Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (FMVSS)), Section 108, Table IV:

Side marker lamps MUST be "on each side--1 red as far to the rear as practicable, and 1 amber as far to the front as practicable. "
Turn signal lamps MUST be "at or near the front--1 amber on each side of the vertical centerline, at the same height, and as far apart as practicable."

The lone, mirror-mounted turn signal probably would not have met the requirements. Still would have to have the ones up front.

Here's a link to the regs. (http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_01/49cfr571_01.html) The .pdf versions take forever to download.

Originally posted by B-Nez


I hate to break to you all, but Mazda may not have much of a choice in the matter. The 2002 reg is not yet online, but according to the 2001 CFR 49, Chapter 5, Part 571 (Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (FMVSS)), Section 108, Table IV:

Side marker lamps MUST be "on each side--1 red as far to the rear as practicable, and 1 amber as far to the front as practicable. "
Turn signal lamps MUST be "at or near the front--1 amber on each side of the vertical centerline, at the same height, and as far apart as practicable."

The lone, mirror-mounted turn signal probably would not have met the requirements. Still would have to have the ones up front.

Here's a link to the regs. (http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_01/49cfr571_01.html) The .pdf versions take forever to download.

Yeeeha... Mabe its only the US that gets the side markers! Man I hope so, I really am gonna have to get rid of them on my car if I have them...

uhhhh i dont think that applies both my parents cars dont have em....

Do their cars have a horizontal amber light under the headlights that wraps around the corner? That is a side marker. Looking around my hotel parking lot, I saw many variations, but all cars appeared to have a marker of some sort in addition to a turn signal of some sort.

Some cars have the amber turn signal (or amber bulb) inboard of the headlight, and place the amber side marker outboard, wrapping slightly.

Another car had rectangular amber turn signals a couple of inches below the headlights, and an amber light outboard of the headlights counting as the side marker.


I guess if the orange reflector is that much of a gripe, get an orange RX-8:D

Yeeeha...

My thoughts exactly:D

Originally posted by PoLaK
uhhhh i dont think that applies both my parents cars dont have em....

According to that article, those are regulations that come into force later in 2002... so your parents cars wouldn't...

The sidelights you see in this photo are "Euro-spec" and will not be on our version.

That's odd...usually it ís America that have those sidelights! Just look at the Mazda6...

The side marker lights are ugly and the new fat/thick mirrors are ugly. If they had decided to get rid of the lights on the mirrors, did they have to make the stalk that attaches the mirror to the car so ugly?? Fat and black. Out of touch with the rest of the car.

I think the new front looks great. The headlights seem slightly larger, on slightly more curvaceous fenders, while the intakes on either side of the main front grille are definitely wider and somewhat more aggressively shaped. The downside to this update, which draws the eye more towards the sides of the front end, is that the center grille no longer has the same impact as it did before.

I'd like to see more shots with different lighting/angles before I make up my mind, but I think I'm pretty much indifferent about this update... sometimes I feel like it's an improvement, other times I like the yellow concept's schnoz better.

I quess there will be more pics later this week. That's usually the case at Autobild.de

It's looking better all the time... fog lamps... body colour mirrors... no daft turn signal, no RX-8 logo on the front... you know... I think I _AM_ gonna be modding my car on day one after all...

Was I the only one that actually liked the Rx-8 logo on the grille?

Originally posted by Mazda man


Was I the only one that actually liked the Rx-8 logo on the grille?

No, I kinda like it too!

Page1

Page 2

Page 3

sweet. thanks elise. Finally we get a look under the hood! Where's the engine? heh heh.

Maybe it's just me, or maybe it's the scans, but in a couple of the shots the corner markers look clear. Also noticed the drivers seat was still 2-tone. Hmmm...

Elisemk1,

Could you get the entire article translated. I know we are missing out on a bunch of information from what I can see from your scans.

Thanks
Fritts

Thanks elisemk1!!

Yeah... thanks elise...

More to the point however, if a german mag can get a test drive and publish production pictures... I'm sure other mags can too...

Go get that scoop, we want to see ALL the details you can torture out of Mazda!

Gad, more of those nasty plastic panels that cover things up in the engine bay for looks. My first mod will be to remove most of those pieces.

---jps

Originally posted by Sputnik
Gad, more of those nasty plastic panels that cover things up in the engine bay for looks. My first mod will be to remove most of those pieces.

---jps

Some of it might well be for directing airflow... but I make you right on some level...

Translating the entire article would take a lot of of time, but I’ve tried to translate the parts with IMHO useful informations:
…The RX-8 will not have any problems with crash tests (eg. EURO-NCAP) and in a sidecrash with 40mls/h the door will be imprint(?) for only six inches, one of the best results ever…
…on the first test drive the car feels very stiff,… because of a carbon bone next to the cardan shaft from the engine to the back of the car……result is a great ride, even on rough bumps the car keeps it track……the chassis is up to date with double wishbones in the front……the steering is very direct and gives a perfect feeling for the road…
… the last RX-7 turbo was banned because of it’s emissions and only sold in Japan, the new engine has 240horsepowers without any turbo. Euro4 emission limit will be no problem, and the consumption will be 20 % lower compared to the last rx-7…there are no final results, but the consumption will be around 11,6liters per 100kilmoters…the engine feels like a mixture between a V12 and a turbine, no vibration, no turbo hole. Early cars with those kind of engines sounded like vacuum cleaner…The reborn rotor engine is 30% smaller and lost the same amount of weight. It goes far over 9.000 without no problems, and sounds as good as we wished a rotor engine to sound…
The RX-8 is a real sportscar, but it’s not quite a Porsche and it’s no RX-7, too. It has too much space and comfort to be compared with those cars. …The weight is devided 50:50, with some oversteering in fast corners, but because of DSC it’s no problem at all…
…result: There are stronger, faster and less heavier sportscars. But no car is able to be compared with the RX-8. This car is next to the MX-5 a very fascinating car, but in a different way…and it’s cheap,too. Prices are about 30.0000 € for the 192 PS basic car, and 35.000 € for the 240 PS version… it’s a new class of it’s own…

Originally posted by elisemk1
...consumption will be 20 % lower compared to the last rx-7…there are no final results, but the consumption will be around 11,6liters per 100kilmoters…

Hi elisemk1,

I assume the 11,6 (approx 21 mpg) would be for the "city" rating? I tried looking at the article online and I couldn't find the mileage stats or the test report for the rx-8.

I'm not sure how the German mileage testing differs from the US epa testing but did Autobild mention the

Stadt/außerstädtisch/insgesamt 1 (l/100km)

figures?

Thanks, Brian

I think the 8 will come with these side mirrors when all is said and done in the US...
http://www.mazdausa.com/rx8/gallery/photos/photo15_display.jpg
http://www.mazdausa.com/rx8/gallery/photos/photo15_display.jpg


Looks the same as the ones on that puzzle game. Takes care of the sidemarker problem.

What scares me about the article is the 240 hp number. Seems like the power is definetly slipping. But I guess this is a euro model and US models could be different. I wonder if there will be a lower power version offered to the US.

It could be DIN numbers.
I do remember them saying at SS5 the redline would be 9K. I will have to get the video tape out. They gave out the official specs such as length, wheelbase etc.

Originally posted by fritts
What scares me about the article is the 240 hp number. Seems like the power is definetly slipping. But I guess this is a euro model and US models could be different. I wonder if there will be a lower power version offered to the US.

Page 3 finally a shot with the hood open. also from a second look at the pics the "rx8" in the grill was in the front license plate holder. thanks elise!

Originally posted by rxman720b
It could be DIN numbers.
I do remember them saying at SS5 the redline would be 9K. I will have to get the video tape out. They gave out the official specs such as length, wheelbase etc.


Hi rxman720b,

To quote myself :) : "The mass of the last generation rotors was 9.54 lbs and the fd3s had a 8000 redline (9000 tach). Mazda says that the renesis rotors are 14% lighter so they should be approx 8.2 lbs with a 9000 redline (10000 tach). "

I would not be too afraid of the 240 hp number because it has been known that the Euro version had lower specs.

Brian

The photo in the German Magazine appears to have come from the recent press presentation done by Mazda at the Myoshi Proving Grounds, Mazda's private testing facility.
I guess they did not respect the November 15th embargo. i wonder if they will get invited back???
Anyway, you can see that the press embargo ends November 15th which technically means that magazines can start producing write-ups and photos.Check the newsstands often after that.
:p

Originally posted by boowana

Anyway, you can see that the press embargo ends November 15th which technically means that magazines can start producing write-ups and photos.Check the newsstands often after that.
:p
Well, all the December magazines will already all be out by then, so I guess that means we'll have to wait for the January issues.

Also, do you know when Mazda will be lending vehicles to the auto mags? Both Car & Driver and Automobile magazine's headquarters are in my town, just minutes from my house. It would be great if you could give me a heads up on that so I can go check out the car up close and snap some pictures! :)

Thanks for the information elisemk1.
I really think this car will be wonderous car. The engine. Body style, etc... . It is really worth getting regardless that it has no turbo or more horsepower. 250 is great .
r limit over 9000 i couldnt ask for anthing more. By the time your warranty goes out there will be plent of aftermarket parts that will turn this swift crane into a roaring phoenix

Thanks for the scans!

Looking at the small print on page 3, it says 1340 kg, which is 2948 lb. I wonder if that's test weight (with driver) or curb weight (empty, but with all fluids)?

In the black box, does it say 5-100 km/h in 6.2 secs?

I think a proper launch would put it way under 5.5 :)

Originally posted by BlueAdept
Some of it might well be for directing airflow... but I make you right on some level... I've said it before, and I'll say it again: What the heck would plastic panels that sit right up against the hood (when closed) have to do with airflow?

---jps

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Autobild (http://www.autobild.de)

and follow the links "Mazda Mutprobe" and than "Galerie"
to get the pics from the article...


Stefan Janssen

Just so we don't miss anything...

http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/23379.jpg
http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/23383.jpg
http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/23381.jpg
http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/23382.jpg
http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/23384.jpg
http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/23377.jpg
http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/23378.jpg

Thanks for posting these.

What's with the pic of the Right-hand drive mixed in here?? (the first one with the guy just hanging out)

You can also see the clear lens on the turn signal in the engine pic.

But all in all, I still think this is pre-production, especially with such an odd mix of pictures.

RX8Dreamer

Originally posted by RX8Dreamer
Thanks for posting these.

What's with the pic of the Right-hand drive mixed in here?? (the first one with the guy just hanging out)

You can also see the clear lens on the turn signal in the engine pic.

But all in all, I still think this is pre-production, especially with such an odd mix of pictures.

RX8Dreamer

Yeah... they have a mix of old pictures in there... look:-

http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/4880.jpg

I filtered this one out since it's obviously an older car... at least I hope it is since I love the rear defuser...

I filtered this one out since it's obviously an older car... at least I hope it is since I love the rear defuser... yeah blueadept it is an older car. see how the exhaust comes thru the red bumber instead of thru the cut out black area below the bumper?! i wonder why the lens for the signal on the side looks clear at some angles and red at others? and what is with the right hand drive pic? is it some how a negative reversal from a film camera(for those of us that remember cameras that werent digital)? or did they have 2 cars at the press show?
edit: let me just say OMG that car is gorgeous!

You can tell it's older because of the rims... they don't match :)

In the black box, does it say 5-100 km/h in 6.2 secs?

its atually says 0-100 km/h in 6.2 but anyway 100 km/h is equal to 62.13712 miles per hour so u can shave a lil off that time maybe 3-4 tenths of a sec. and ur right i doubt he lanched it right.

Originally posted by PoLaK
its atually says 0-100 km/h in 6.2 but anyway 100 km/h is equal to 62.13712 miles per hour so u can shave a lil off that time maybe 3-4 tenths of a sec. and ur right i doubt he lanched it right.

3-4 tenths sounds just about right. Also note that the Euro version has different hp and torque curves.

The previous torque curve that we have seen has 3 "lobes" due to the 3 different length intake paths in the manifold. The middle "lobe" peaked at 5500 (approx 155 ft-lbs) and the top "lobe" peaked at 7500 (approx 159 ft-lbs).

From the specs mentioned in the Autobild article, the torque peak was 211Nm@5500 (155 ft-lbs) and the hp peak was 240 @ 8200.

I tried some revised gearing ratios to match up with the Autobild article and estimate the US version (159 ft/lbs @ 7500, 250hp @ 8500) to have a 0-60 time of approx 5.9 seconds.

Brian

Originally posted by PoLaK


its atually says 0-100 km/h in 6.2 but anyway 100 km/h is equal to 62.13712 miles per hour so u can shave a lil off that time maybe 3-4 tenths of a sec. and ur right i doubt he lanched it right.
I'll wait for C&D to publish the 0-60 times.. they always get the lowest times, except they themselves admit that launching the car the way they do won't let you have it for long :)

i hope u all liked my 62.13712 mph i used the unit converter on my calculater :)

Originally posted by PoLaK
calculater :)
Now if you'd use your spellcheck we'd be all set! :)

Just kiddin with ya :D

LOL!!! :D :D :D

Originally posted by zoom44
i wonder why the lens for the signal on the side looks clear at some angles and red at others? and what is with the right hand drive pic? is it some how a negative reversal from a film camera(for those of us that remember cameras that werent digital)? or did they have 2 cars at the press show?


The reason the corner marker looks amber in some photos and clear in others is because there are 2 different cars. The right hand drive has clear, the left hand drive has amber. Look at the engine pic. You can clearly see that the marker is clear, and look at where the brake booster is...

We (in the U.S.) may get stuck with amber, but not to fear. I'm sure somebody will be selling the clear ones.

Hey guys. Is it me, or did anyone else see a third oil control seal on the rotor of the renesis engine?

I didn't notice that, but did anyone else notice the fuel gauge and temp gauge have switched places since the yellow concept? :) I wonder what the reason is...

Because that's the way the gauges are oriented on my BMW damnit! ;)

hallo stefan

ich schreib dir jeztmal in deutsch! vielen dank für deine infos.

wenn du genau hinschaust, sind die bilder bearbeitet worde. dieser rx-8 wurde farblich manipuliert. dabei haben sie nicht so genau gearbeitet. auf seite 9 an der hinteren stosstange zum beispiel sieht man noch einen hauch von gelb. auch bei anderen bildern sieht man einen gelben rand. dieses auto war gelb!!

ist ja nicht schlimm. nur zur information.

sonst ist dieser artikel sehr gelungen. ich freu mich jedenfalls schon auf meinen RX.. farbe schwarz!

gruss aus der schweiz!

sorry! irgendjemand kann das sicher ins englische übersetzen. damit das alle lesen können.

O.K.

Originally posted by setpixel
hallo stefan

ich schreib dir jeztmal in deutsch! vielen dank für deine infos.

wenn du genau hinschaust, sind die bilder bearbeitet worde. dieser rx-8 wurde farblich manipuliert. dabei haben sie nicht so genau gearbeitet. auf seite 9 an der hinteren stosstange zum beispiel sieht man noch einen hauch von gelb. auch bei anderen bildern sieht man einen gelben rand. dieses auto war gelb!!

ist ja nicht schlimm. nur zur information.

sonst ist dieser artikel sehr gelungen. ich freu mich jedenfalls schon auf meinen RX.. farbe schwarz!

gruss aus der schweiz!

sorry! irgendjemand kann das sicher ins englische übersetzen. damit das alle lesen können.
The picture of the RX-8 was yellow!

Hello Stefan:

I will write you in German! Thank you very much for your information.

If you check carefully, this is not so perfect work. You can see that the pictures were worked on. This RX-8 picture has been manipulated.

On page 9, check out the rear bumper. There is another example of a hint of yellow. Also, in other pictures one has a yellow edge. This car is yellow!

Do not be bad. Only to the information.

Otherwise this article is ???????. In any case already know what my RX color is: black!

Greetings from Switzerland!

Sorry! Someone can certainly translate this to English so that everyone can read.

That's better. :cool:

Originally posted by Hercules

Now if you'd use your spellcheck we'd be all set! :)

Just kiddin with ya :D

Yeah... you lot all spell things wrong... missing the U out of colour and putting Z's where they don't belong...... Don't even get me started on how you pronounce Aluminium.

ROFL

Originally posted by BlueAdept


Yeah... you lot all spell things wrong... missing the U out of colour and putting Z's where they don't belong...... Don't even get me started on how you pronounce Aluminium.

ROFL

LOL BlueAdept, dont get me started on things like "tyre":p

Originally posted by zoom44


LOL BlueAdept, dont get me started on things like "tyre":p

Can't resist...

My Tyres come from:-

http://www.tyre4u.com/main.htm

I get Tired of replacing Tyres though... I tire easily.

/me ducks...

hehehe i cant throw that far:D

BLUEADEPT ROAH i may spell things worng but at least i dont have kinky dreams like www.trickedt................ well i think u remember wat im thinking. (u sick #$@#) ROFL LAMO RAPO NANA WEEE

well even if the u.s. version gets the turn signals theres no doubt you'll be able to replace them with some nice looking clear aftermarket ones.

Ehh I think i saw a car with blue turn signals last night. against the law but really i never seen a car getting pulled over for its turn signals.

Originally posted by BlueAdept
I get Tired of replacing Tyres though... I tire easily.

LOL! Just make sure you put your bonnet down before you pull out of the garage (pronounced "gare-ij"). ;)

Originally posted by NOTA V6

LOL! Just make sure you put your bonnet down before you pull out of the garage (pronounced "gare-ij"). ;)

Wow, an american who can speak english... I'm not sure how you're changing tyres though since I've never had to look under the "hood" for the wheel nuts before?

ROFL... we really should stop this, it's far too humourous.

Originally posted by BlueAdept


Wow, an american who can speak english... I'm not sure how you're changing tyres though since I've never had to look under the "hood" for the wheel nuts before?

ROFL... we really should stop this, it's far too humourous.
Blue and his bloody wordings :)....

Tyre = Tire
Bonnet = Hood
Boot = Trunk
Blue = British :D

Tyre = Phoenician island city; also the name of the 4th largest city in Lebanon.

Bonnet = A woman's non-fashion (read Amish) accessory.

Boot = The things I wear to walk all over the British version of the English language.

Blue = Purveyor of poor literacy by influence of an outdated version of the English language! ;) (Not like most people on the interent need help)

gare age i thought it was a car hold

Originally posted by fuz
Tyre = Phoenician island city; also the name of the 4th largest city in Lebanon.

Bonnet = A woman's non-fashion (read Amish) accessory.

Boot = The things I wear to walk all over the British version of the English language.

Blue = Purveyor of poor literacy by influence of an outdated version of the English language! ;) (Not like most people on the interent need help)

Trust an American to assume that they speak better English than the English... ROFL....

Actually I find the differences quite satisfying... particularly since _I_ don't have a problem understanding "y'all"... At worst it's a talking point.

And then we get on to measurements... Particularly the Gallon... Did they originally spill some on the way from europe to the USA?

Mein goldfish mishkeshtaben

Originally posted by BlueAdept
And then we get on to measurements... Particularly the Gallon... Did they originally spill some on the way from europe to the USA?


Hi BlueAdept,

Its not fair that your gallons are bigger than ours! (or was it the other way around?) :)

In the 5th grade (1980?), we had some people give a presentation on the metric system to the entire school. They said that we would have to learn it because the US would only be using the metric system after a couple of years.

A few years later I was wondering what happened?

I think our gas pumps have both liters and gallon figures but nobody really looks at the liters number except foreigners. :)

Brian

Imperial Gallon (UK) is about 20% bigger than in the US.

They told us that too in 1980ish... but it actually happened, I can't say "Gas" but our pumps are ONLY in litres and have been for many years. I still work in Mpg for fuel economy but I can just about cope with Litres/100Km now...

By the way, If you call Petrolium Spirit "Gas"... what do you call Petrolium Gas, which is also used here to power verhicles, and is much cheaper???

Originally posted by Buger


Hi BlueAdept,

Its not fair that your gallons are bigger than ours! (or was it the other way around?) :)

In the 5th grade (1980?), we had some people give a presentation on the metric system to the entire school. They said that we would have to learn it because the US would only be using the metric system after a couple of years.

A few years later I was wondering what happened?

I think our gas pumps have both liters and gallon figures but nobody really looks at the liters number except foreigners. :)

Brian

By the way, If you call Petrolium Spirit "Gas"... what do you call Petrolium Gas, which is also used here to power verhicles, and is much cheaper???

Natural Gas. There is also LPG wich is short for Liquid Propane Gas.