American pilots aren't allowed to even attempt these moves...
http://www.livevideo.com/video/6533A4C1D94948249C50F08C82BECA59/russian-fighter-acrobatics.aspx

Oh weird, my roomie just showed me this video last night - he said almost the same thing ("American pilots would be in SO MUCH trouble if they got caught doing that"). Cool stuff, but those guys are insane.

Oh weird, my roomie just showed me this video last night - he said almost the same thing ("American pilots would be in SO MUCH trouble if they got caught doing that"). Cool stuff, but those guys are insane.

+1

That takess some nerves of Steel to put a plane through thos kinds of moves.
:rock: :rock: :rock:

at least its the right plane for the job, not sure an f-22 can pull that off. pretty sweet

i love the stall characteristics of that sukhoi

not sure an f-22 can pull that off

You'd be surprised. Either way, it wouldn't matter, since the Raptor could kill it well before it ever had a chance to get all fancy. :D:

From an airshow acrobatics standpoint it is extremely impressive. From a stealth standpoint it's probably got the radar cross section of a mack truck towing a tin foil factory behind it. Modern combat today relies on not being detected.

haha that's how i fly in my flight simulation video games! i get pwned all the time!

a lot of those tricks are only possible because the engines on those planes can thrust vector asymmetrically up or down 15 degrees. The first time they showed one of those flying and doing stalled loops, I was amazed.. that has to put an unbelievable amount of stress on the plane itself to have those engines setup like that.

You'd be surprised. Either way, it wouldn't matter, since the Raptor could kill it well before it ever had a chance to get all fancy. :D:

Heck the F-22 could sneak up right behind them and blow them away before anyone even knew they were there. Also, I don't know if its a limiting factor or not but, the Raptor is so capable that it has limits set so as not to have the pilot pass out.

:Drooling_ :rock:

That's pretty sick. Useless, but cool shit.

Also, I don't know if its a limiting factor or not but, the Raptor is so capable that it has limits set so as not to have the pilot pass out.

All fighter jets are like that.

As most everyone knows those maneuvers are useless. In the real world, thrust vectoring is actually more about saving fuel than anything else. Perhaps we need some on the 8.

Thrust vectoring would be useful in dogfighting but an old style dogfight isn't terribly common today. It's not to say one will never happen again though. In a dogfight if you are in a turning fight, you are trying to get the guy in front of you in your sights. With thrust vectoring you could actually alter the direction the nose is pointing without changing the direction the plane is actually moving. This could potentially get your sights lined up on your target. The F-22 literally ejects missles out and it can do this from any orientation. That too is an advantage.

The Mig is a pretty traditionally designed aircraft from a munitions standpoint. It is probably limited in when it can fire as opposed to the F-22. Those crazy manuevers are all about getting the enemy in your sights before he can turn around and get them on you. A disadvantage is the loss of airspeed so you need your shot to count. If you put an F-22 against a Mig (any Mig, pick one), the Mig would be dead before it ever even saw the F-22 come up behind it. It's already done this to our best fighters in combat games. It's killed F-15's with guns before they knew they were there! I'm not too worried about an F-22 losing a fight to any other jet in the world right now. The F-15 hasn't even been defeated once yet and it's obsolete next to an F-22.

Impressive video and flying. The Russians like to show off some of their "next gen" aircraft in a token effort to pretend that they have a fighter than go toe to toe with our F-15s and F-22's.

I'll be really impressed with the Russians when they can build a fighter and then "afford" to both produce and maintin them in large numbers, like we do. 5 super Mig Su-37's while cool in an airshow mean precisely dick in terms of combat power projection.

Are there any rear-facing weapons systems on today's combat fighter jets? I understand how the F-22 "ejects" its payload from internal bomb bays but can it target an enemy directly on it's "6" without the missle performing serious aerobatics after launch? Is there a gun system on any modern combat fighter that can engage an enemy on its "6?"

Ray

Are there any rear-facing weapons systems on today's combat fighter jets? I understand how the F-22 "ejects" its payload from internal bomb bays but can it target an enemy directly on it's "6" without the missle performing serious aerobatics after launch? Is there a gun system on any modern combat fighter that can engage an enemy on its "6?"

Ray

The last supersonic jet to get a rear facing gun was the B-58. The gun could only manage to drop bullets in front of the enemy plane because it couldn't overcome the speed of the jet.
The F-22 won't get a fighter on it's six. If the enemy plane was behind a Raptor a missile shot would take care of it long before it reached gun range.

:Drooling_ :rock:
+1

really impressive, but it's like doing burnouts in my 5.0 mustang when my direct competition have an F1 car :).

Thrust vectors greatest stand is short distance take offs.


And like darkbrew said it's hard to get a missle to fire directly behind you when you are moving forward 600 to 700 mph. Guns if anything, but missles are designed to move forward from a platform moving in the same direction.

With a helmet-mounted cueing system and an AIM-9X, there's no need to get on the enemy's tail to engage them. The AIM-9X can engage targets up to 90 degrees to the side and the pilot turns his head, not the entire airplane to designate the target. The only reason to get on the enemy's tail is if you've already splashed six of his comrades and are out of missiles. But then again, that's when you let your wingman have a turn.

If you're not outta control, you're not in control.









(someone had to say it.)