Today i went to have my oil changed and radiator flushed in my RX-8. Well i bumped into my sales guy who sold me my RX-8 last year. Well acording to him , Mazda plans on bringing out a new RX-8 next year. Granted i took this news as a grain of salt....

....But at the same time i kind of believe him with his info. When buying my car last January he told me Mazda was going to put out a more powerful A/T RX-8 later that year(2006)..... i laughed at his assumption and said to myself no way will Mazda do that.... later that year Mazda gave us a the 212HP A/T RX-8. :Wconfused

Bill my sales guy has been working at the same dealership since 1988,and has been with Mazda from that time too. He told me Mazda is very tight lip about there cars, and the public will find out when the public needs to know, basically, that how Mazda operates.

He told me don't be surprised if spy shots start surfacing between june and october of this year.


We shall see.....

meh, grain of salt. I wont be holding my breath...

-Steakboy

kind of like how we still have no mazdaspeed RX8 yet every salesman in the United States tries to convince it's just around the corner?

we should research on when the auto rx-8 threads started to surface... to really see if ur salesman knows things ahead of time like.. zoom44? haha
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He told me Mazda is very tight lip about there cars, and the public will find out when the public needs to know, basically, that how Mazda operates.

Anyone notice the similarity to Apple here? Many business analysts now think that this is a very good business model in the digital era. Reduces competition and promotes hype when a product is released.

Its Will Probabely Be A Pz Tuned Version For The Us Or Something Along The Lines.

isn the redesign scheduled for a 2009/2010 MY? as posted in the mighty WIKI? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rx8) Direct link here. (http://autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060816/FREE/60814021/1024/LATESTNEWS)

I hate how buying cars is like buying computer hardware: you can get what's available now, or you can way just THAT much longer to see whats comin up around the corner.

Personally, i could care less for a redesign. This car is physically PERFECT. Any engine power setbacks can be subsidized with aftermarkety goodness. Hopefully they dont go the route of Subaru's Impreza: i was completely in love with the MY04-05, then they kinda took a shit on it for 06-08 (SMALLER hoodscoop?? WTF?? :Eyecrazy: ). Same thing with the Honda Civic. the 96-00 body style was the most appealing to me, and while they nearly doubled the horsepower and juiced up the handling with the new Si coupe, kinda looks like someone wrapped it around the ugly tree :pat:

Just as an aside having been an almost daily user of this site since 2/2004 I can't think of one news item , recall, TSB etc that wasn't posted here first. So if it was true, it would have been posted here before any dealership would know about it.

I believe we knew about the AT engine upgrade in fall of 2005.

According to Zoom44, 2008 will be last year for first gen. RX-8

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=111192&page=2

^ Dude you must be one of the first person on this site if you joined in Feb '02. And with your 99 posts, you're worse than me in join-date vs. post ratio!!!

Anyone notice the similarity to Apple here? Many business analysts now think that this is a very good business model in the digital era. Reduces competition and promotes hype when a product is released.
It's a terrible idea. If I knew Mazda was definitely planning a MS RX-8 I would wait on getting a new car. I don't see how springing it on the public helps. And even though they're "tight-lipped" it's not like they live in a secret bubble. People knew about the MS3 well in advance. That's why it's hard to believe an MS8 is in the works at least for the immediate future.

There definitely is a MS8 in works for North America for the 2008 model year.
Release date is soon....

The salesman might be talking about a Kabura based RX car. Spy photos around the summer, launch at the Tokyo Auto show in the fall, for sale coming the following spring - fits the time frame anyway.

Salesmen don't know anything more than the average person. In fact, even within MNAO most employees don't know about new models until the general public does. Only the executives and R & D people in the states are in the loop and they have to sign even stricter confidentiality agreements than the other MNAO employees.

Trust me, sales people usually don’t find out about new products until a local car enthusiast informs them from reading on a forum/magazine.

They do love rumors of new products that might increase their sales though.


When I sold Toyotas a while back, Sales Managers and others would tell us every day how they heard/know the next Supra is right around the corner. That was a long time ago, and hose rumors still exist to this day with no fruition.

The only new Mazda I would expect to see later this year is a redesigned 6. Everything is focused on launching the CX-9 and Tribute right now.

I HIGHLY doubt the salesperson.

hmmm now I'm interested in finding out... I'll see if I can find something out at work...

While I respect your salesman Bill..

It is a fact that dealership staff particularly "new car salespersons" are almost the last to know what is coming, particularly when their job is to sell what's on the floor NOW, not in 12 months time..even more when your talking about an existing model like the 8.

Sure, if it's an all new line of car...take pre-orders..

There definitely is a MS8 in works for North America for the 2008 model year.
Release date is soon....

From a companies stand point it's not a terrible idea. They need to move what's in the pipeline now. If news of a new product is released, fewer people will buy what out now. In order to clear the delivery pipeline incentives (i.e. price cuts) are required. This eats into profits.

Also, if a competitor knows the schedule of your release they can plan their releases to steal you thunder.

Also, if you are introducing a new feature then competitors have that much more time to develop their own equivalent.

This isn't a new business tactic it's been around for decades if not longer.

Example: A hundred years ago the Wright brothers operated in complete secrecy to keep other people who where working on powered flight from finding out about their ideas and attempting to steal them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wright_brothers

From a companies stand point it's not a terrible idea. They need to move what's in the pipeline now. If news of a new product is released, fewer people will buy what out now. In order to clear the delivery pipeline incentives (i.e. price cuts) are required. This eats into profits.

Also, if a competitor knows the schedule of your release they can plan their releases to steal you thunder.

Also, if you are introducing a new feature then competitors have that much more time to develop their own equivalent.

This isn't a new business tactic it's been around for decades if not longer.

Example: A hundred years ago the Wright brothers operated in complete secrecy to keep other people who where working on powered flight from finding out about their ideas and attempting to steal them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wright_brothers
You're likening the advent of a MAZDASPEED 8 to that of the dawning of the era of flight?

Today i went to have my oil changed and radiator flushed in my RX-8. Well i bumped into my sales guy who sold me my RX-8 last year. Well acording to him , Mazda plans on bringing out a new RX-8 next year. Granted i took this news as a grain of salt....

....But at the same time i kind of believe him with his info. When buying my car last January he told me Mazda was going to put out a more powerful A/T RX-8 later that year(2006)..... i laughed at his assumption and said to myself no way will Mazda do that.... later that year Mazda gave us a the 212HP A/T RX-8. :Wconfused

Bill my sales guy has been working at the same dealership since 1988,and has been with Mazda from that time too. He told me Mazda is very tight lip about there cars, and the public will find out when the public needs to know, basically, that how Mazda operates.

He told me don't be surprised if spy shots start surfacing between june and october of this year.


We shall see.....

The question remains even if true... what is meant by "new" 8. Probably just a finessed version ala special editions that were released in Japan only. i.e. New cosmetics with same power output! :boring:

You're likening the advent of a MAZDASPEED 8 to that of the dawning of the era of flight?

Maybe its not that much of a stretch. :)

well it depends, if mazda is going for the new life cycle that they are using for theyr cars the next gen RX-8 should come in 2008 as a 2009 one year after the mazda6, if they use the rotary car life cycle no one knows

I dont see the point of keeping the rx-8 as it is for another year, sales are low, mazda doest have to spend a fortune to get a new rx-8 model out, a couple of cosmetics changes and an engine upgrade, thats it!

I have an idea. I'll take one for the team here and I'll get a job as a Mazda salesman. Then, I'll spy on the company with all of the good Sam Fisher tools and I'll post all of my findings here.

According to the schedule 2010 will introduce a new model, but what year that model will actually be released is another story. Mazda has delayed the introduction of new model years for the 8 for whatever reasons since 2005. On the other hand, they advanced the release of some models - I bought a 2007 CX7 a month after I bought a new 2005 RX8.

There may be a new 2 seater Rotary released in early 2008 - the key word is may. There are some concerns with market share over the Miata as the Pontiac Solstice and Dodge Demon are positioned squarely against it. The Solstice is overpriced and the Demon has a potent motor package option (300 HP turbo).

One thing thats driving sales of the "MG" class of sports cars are the gas prices. That sort of puts the rotary at a disadvantage. Mazda already has an excellent motor in the 2.3 and they certainly have the turbo packages figured out. From purely a profit level, putting a MS Miata on the market would probably pay off the most short term.

As far as the next 8, we'll very likely be seeing a new evolution of rotary. I can't say if it belongs to Mazda, but someone has a contract with Kennametal to fabricate what surely look like a rotor from Powdered Metal - a titanium composite. It could just be a pump component but it sure does look like a rotor - only maybe a tad larger then the 13B size.

Along the same speculation line is solving the issue of sequential shutdown. Using the Lamda Sensor technology won't allow a motor with no valves to do this since it pumps raw air into the exhaust. However our friends in Sweden (who originally developed the Lamda tech) have come up with something even better by measuring resistance across the plug after firing. I believe Saab began using this new system in 2006. The secret to sequential shutdown is it allows more charge per firing which increases pressure & efficiency. Tht may be exactly what the rotary needs to do some catch up to piston motors in regards to fuel consumption.

If Mazda is heading down that path (and it makes sense they would) we may see something like a 1600 - 1800 cc motor with 5 Lb rotors and sequential shutdown in 2010 - or 2009, or 2011, depending on when they actually release it.

In any event, by 2010 I'll need a new car. If Mazda doesn't have something really cool, I'm sure there will be plenty of well preserved used low mileage RX8's available.

The MX-5 Miata is losing its footing in sales as well, and despite how well it drives and handles, visually, it's in need of a big redesign. The Solstice, Sky/Red-Line, Demon, etc., all look much more stylish whereas the MX-5 looks tired and uninspired after being around so long.

I agree the Miata is getting a bit old. Other then a facelift its what about 18 years old now?

I think thats part of what Mazda marlketing is challenged to decide. They've got some sexy designs sitting around and with the newcomers to the market along with a stronger potential market it's probably a tough decision.

Generally Mazda makes long term commitments on product strategy. At the lower volumes they've typically been that was easy - however they're getting bigger and those growing pains could begin to impact the length of term on product strategies.

Actually the MX-5 was completely new for 2006, and got an incredible power hardtop for 2007 which doesn't take away any trunk space. And it outsold the Solstice in worldwide sales.

As for a Mazdaspeed RX-8, we've got the Tokyo Auto Show in the fall and NAIAS two months after that. If Mazda doesn't announce a MS 8 and either of these events, then we can finally put these rumors to rest.

According to the schedule 2010 will introduce a new model, but what year that model will actually be released is another story. Mazda has delayed the introduction of new model years for the 8 for whatever reasons since 2005. On the other hand, they advanced the release of some models - I bought a 2007 CX7 a month after I bought a new 2005 RX8.

There may be a new 2 seater Rotary released in early 2008 - the key word is may. There are some concerns with market share over the Miata as the Pontiac Solstice and Dodge Demon are positioned squarely against it. The Solstice is overpriced and the Demon has a potent motor package option (300 HP turbo).

One thing thats driving sales of the "MG" class of sports cars are the gas prices. That sort of puts the rotary at a disadvantage. Mazda already has an excellent motor in the 2.3 and they certainly have the turbo packages figured out. From purely a profit level, putting a MS Miata on the market would probably pay off the most short term.

As far as the next 8, we'll very likely be seeing a new evolution of rotary. I can't say if it belongs to Mazda, but someone has a contract with Kennametal to fabricate what surely look like a rotor from Powdered Metal - a titanium composite. It could just be a pump component but it sure does look like a rotor - only maybe a tad larger then the 13B size.

Along the same speculation line is solving the issue of sequential shutdown. Using the Lamda Sensor technology won't allow a motor with no valves to do this since it pumps raw air into the exhaust. However our friends in Sweden (who originally developed the Lamda tech) have come up with something even better by measuring resistance across the plug after firing. I believe Saab began using this new system in 2006. The secret to sequential shutdown is it allows more charge per firing which increases pressure & efficiency. Tht may be exactly what the rotary needs to do some catch up to piston motors in regards to fuel consumption.

If Mazda is heading down that path (and it makes sense they would) we may see something like a 1600 - 1800 cc motor with 5 Lb rotors and sequential shutdown in 2010 - or 2009, or 2011, depending on when they actually release it.

In any event, by 2010 I'll need a new car. If Mazda doesn't have something really cool, I'm sure there will be plenty of well preserved used low mileage RX8's available.

If this was going to happen that would be great, but you can never tell Mazda may go with an improved rotary or they could be stubborn about the whole thing. I havent gotten my 8 yet though the more I wait the more I crave it. The only issue I have about getting one is not being sure whats around the corner, I dont want to buy a new 8 and bam out of nowhere its announced that (for example) an MS 8 or a new model for the 8 is coming out. But I should probably just go out and buy one and worry about it when the time comes, if ever.

The MX-5 Miata is losing its footing in sales as well, and despite how well it drives and handles, visually, it's in need of a big redesign. The Solstice, Sky/Red-Line, Demon, etc., all look much more stylish whereas the MX-5 looks tired and uninspired after being around so long.

WHAT! What a load of CRAP mate...

The Saturn Sky (Opel Speedster) is many years (3) older that the NC MX-5,
as for the Solstice, yes it has a bigger penis, but the quality and drivablility does not come close to the 5.

Actually the MX-5 was completely new for 2006, and got an incredible power hardtop for 2007 which doesn't take away any trunk space. And it outsold the Solstice in worldwide sales.

As for a Mazdaspeed RX-8, we've got the Tokyo Auto Show in the fall and NAIAS two months after that. If Mazda doesn't announce a MS 8 and either of these events, then we can finally put these rumors to rest.

Spot on mate......

I think Tokyo in October will be "VERRRRI INTERRESTINK"

If this was going to happen that would be great, but you can never tell Mazda may go with an improved rotary or they could be stubborn about the whole thing. I havent gotten my 8 yet though the more I wait the more I crave it. The only issue I have about getting one is not being sure whats around the corner, I dont want to buy a new 8 and bam out of nowhere its announced that (for example) an MS 8 or a new model for the 8 is coming out. But I should probably just go out and buy one and worry about it when the time comes, if ever.

I think you will know this year about the 8's future...
BUT, I can very much relate to your 8 purchase...

JUST DO IT!

As for a Mazdaspeed RX-8, we've got the Tokyo Auto Show in the fall and NAIAS two months after that. If Mazda doesn't announce a MS 8 and either of these events, then we can finally put these rumors to rest. :rolleyes: These rumors pop up every year and before every major auto show. It will only be put to rest when either the MS RX-8 is finally a reality or the current RX-8 is no more.

Spot on mate......

I think Tokyo in October will be "VERRRRI INTERRESTINK"

If you say this, I belive you,I dont think you have ever lie in this forum

Along the same speculation line is solving the issue of sequential shutdown. .

i did say 2008 in that other thread. dont be surprised if im wrong;) i have been a couple of times. the thing is is the schedule on Japan MYs so its 2003-2008 or US MYs so its 2004-2009?.


as far as sequential shutdown/displacement on demand- Mazda , as tight lipped as they are, they are quite clear when they arent doing something. They have stated clearly that they are not looking at DOD technology for the rotor at all.

oh and umm the Dodge Demon isnt a real car- only a concept that is being shown at Geneva with no real word on production yet, if any.

WHAT! What a load of CRAP mate...

The Saturn Sky (Opel Speedster) is many years (3) older that the NC MX-5,
as for the Solstice, yes it has a bigger penis, but the quality and drivablility does not come close to the 5.

I hope you're not arguing my opinion--that would be rather silly of you. My point is, everybody doesn't buy vehicles based on performance.... Just look at all the Mustangs out there--of course that doesn't explain style, either. Bad example. The Satury Sky debuted here, in the USA, just last year.

:rolleyes: These rumors pop up every year and before every major auto show. It will only be put to rest when either the MS RX-8 is finally a reality or the current RX-8 is no more.

It doesn't matter what rumors have come up before. If the next gen 8 is scheduled for ~2010, then after NAIAS 2008 is definitely the point where it's simply too late in the product cycle for a Mazdaspeed version in this generation. It's either going to happen soon or not at all. This really is it.

Any later and the Mazdaspeed version would be arriving at dealerships just months before the next gen, which of course isn't gonna happen.

Note that I'm not saying that I believe that there necessarily will be an MS 8, I'm just pointing out the obvious fact that by this time next year we will know for sure.

I hope you're not arguing my opinion--that would be rather silly of you. My point is, everybody doesn't buy vehicles based on performance.... Just look at all the Mustangs out there--of course that doesn't explain style, either. Bad example. The Satury Sky debuted here, in the USA, just last year.

This WHAT you said mate....

"The MX-5 Miata is losing its footing in sales as well, and despite how well it drives and handles, visually, it's in need of a big redesign. The Solstice, Sky/Red-Line, Demon, etc., all look much more stylish whereas the MX-5 looks tired and uninspired after being around so long."

How is the MX-5 (NC) tired after is been around for SO LONG...Its bloody new?..
I took the "performance issue" because your point was a little ignorant and SILLY!
And I TOTALLY agree with you that not everybody buys cars based on performance lone.... as one matures you appreciate other aspect of a car other than the size of its DONK. ;)

It doesn't matter what rumors have come up before. If the next gen 8 is scheduled for ~2010, then after NAIAS 2008 is definitely the point where it's simply too late in the product cycle for a Mazdaspeed version in this generation. It's either going to happen soon or not at all. This really is it.

Any later and the Mazdaspeed version would be arriving at dealerships just months before the next gen, which of course isn't gonna happen.

Note that I'm not saying that I believe that there necessarily will be an MS 8, I'm just pointing out the obvious fact that by this time next year we will know for sure.True, but that's only if the next gen RX-8 does debut in that given time frame that everyone has speculated on. But that's also still unconfirmed and subject to change, and is actually the real topic of this thread.

The MS Protoge and MS Miata both arrived very close to the end of their product cycles. This could happen again, especially if Mazda can leverage whatever engine technology used in the MS RX-8 for the next gen RX car.

This WHAT you said mate....

"The MX-5 Miata is losing its footing in sales as well, and despite how well it drives and handles, visually, it's in need of a big redesign. The Solstice, Sky/Red-Line, Demon, etc., all look much more stylish whereas the MX-5 looks tired and uninspired after being around so long."

How is the MX-5 (NC) tired after is been around for SO LONG...Its bloody new?..
I took the "performance issue" because your point was a little ignorant and SILLY!
And I TOTALLY agree with you that not everybody buys cars based on performance lone.... as one matures you appreciate other aspect of a car other than the size of its DONK. ;)

Well then I stand corrected! :Eyecrazy:

I meant the Miata in general. I see lots of them here in Las Vegas, and other than the headlights, I'd have a hard time, in passing, noting the differences in the models because so little has changed. On one hand, it's the true sign of a classic. That being said, I still think it looks tired, sort of like how the last version of the Acura NSX looking basically like the first version. As other automobile makers develop their competition and push the envelope with more aggressive styling and power, I just think it's going to be hard for the Miata to keep up.

I haven't driven a Saturn Red Line Sky and can't speak of its performance, but with its style and power, I would definately be looking at that over a MX-5 with the retractable hardtop as there's a 100hp difference for about the same price. But that's just me, and I'm happy with my RX8. :ylsuper:

The MX-5 needs a new front end. The slotty headlights do nothing for the car, but other than that I think it is very sharp and a fun car.

I wouldn't trust anything a dealer worker said to me. They are some of the last to know on the planet.

Mazda may try to be tight lipped, but look at the Mazda 6 spy pics on the Web....if there was a new 8 coming out very soon it would have been spotted somewhere.

if it is coming out look for spy pics around july of this year

Mazda seems to put out a MS version of the car, just before a new version comes out. It happened with the Miata and then with the 6. If/When we see a MS 8, expect a updated model to come out in a year or two.

Another camp fire story.

The only people at dealerships that know things ahead of time are going to be the owner, operations manager, key service managers, and that is only at strategic dealerships.

As for all the speculation, I think Tokyo or Detroit 08 may be the best guess at any RX news.

The only people at dealerships that know things ahead of time are going to be the owner, operations manager, key service managers, and that is only at strategic dealerships.

As for all the speculation, I think Tokyo or Detroit 08 may be the best guess at any RX news.


Will see.... i am like you i don't trust sales men or women as far as i can throw them, but Bill is not your typical sale guy. He's been with Mazda since the 80's,working at the same dealership,etc. I went into knowing very little about the 8 , i did research before i test drove it.... and Bill was the one to give me a full blown 10-15 min history lesson about the rotary before we even test drove the RX-8. He told me pro's and cons about the rotary , etc. Bill isn't your typical sales guy... i have a hunch that next year we may be seeing a new RX-8.

Or a refresh to say the least.

Haven't people been saying a refresh was coming in 08 for the past six months?

Its not surprising news. I think there was an article in one of the popular car magazines.

Unless Bill reads this board he still will not get RX-8 news as fast as we do. There are people here from all over the world that have very good Mazda connections and have provided us info before Mazda Corp. Bill very well might be quite knowledgeable in rotary HISTORY. Your thread was claiming he knows something about its future.

Unless Bill reads this board he still will not get RX-8 news as fast as we do. There are people here from all over the world that have very good Mazda connections and have provided us info before Mazda Corp. Bill very well might be quite knowledgeable in rotary HISTORY. Your thread was claiming he knows something about its future.

Thats true... he stated that there will be a RX-8 slated for next year. I am not holding my breath, but i am not going to dismiss that tid bit of info either....after all he was right about the power increase for the A/T Rx-8's. So will have to wait and see.... if a new RX-8 doesn't come out, i will still be happy to drive mine until Mazda decides to come out with another rotary powered car. :)

Haven't people been saying a refresh was coming in 08 for the past six months?

Its not surprising news. I think there was an article in one of the popular car magazines.

yes i even did a "what would it look like" thread with some of my infamous photochop skills

Jesus, ANOTHER thread about this?

Will see.... i am like you i don't trust sales men or women as far as i can throw them, but Bill is not your typical sale guy. He's been with Mazda since the 80's,working at the same dealership,etc. I went into knowing very little about the 8 , i did research before i test drove it.... and Bill was the one to give me a full blown 10-15 min history lesson about the rotary before we even test drove the RX-8. He told me pro's and cons about the rotary , etc. Bill isn't your typical sales guy... i have a hunch that next year we may be seeing a new RX-8.

Or a refresh to say the least.
While I don't doubt his sincerity...we all know a refresh/facelift whatever you want to call it is due..
As a Mazda Parts Manager in the 70s,80s and 90s at 2 different Mazda dealership and at one state Mazda Distributor, I can tell you that salesman are the last to know, Mazda usually will notify at a Dealer Principal meeting at their headquarters what is coming, if its all new usually 12-18 months notice, facelift changes told what year, but not exactly when until and around 3 months to release...I am talking the Owners of dealerships, they are given more vague information like Mazda Japan are working on a new range of engines or concepts but schedules are very vague, and I will repeat a Dealer Principal want their salesmen to sell what is on the floor not what may or may not "is coming soon"?...

As I said we all know that something is going to happen to the 8 soon, but, from my experience don't get too excited as the platform,freestyle door and body shell as we know it has many years to go...an ALL new 8...no that' at least 4 years out.

Look at the MX-5, 15 years before a major change the NA and NB MX-5 still the same platform,motor, just new dash trim and outer skin and alloys.

The specifications for 2008 model RX-8 were issued on Mazda Canada website today.There is nothing much new.

The specifications for 2008 model RX-8 were issued on Mazda Canada website today.There is nothing much new.

Had a quick look...where and under what subtitle...

On the dealer network, under Marketing.Also gives specs for 2008 Miata.

On the dealer network, under Marketing.Also gives specs for 2008 Miata.

You are talking Mazda.ca..in English, mate I can't be bothered looking under all the bullshit Mazda Canada have to say, they are that many fu**ing subtitle's and crap that tell you sweet FA.

I can not see ANY Dealer Network, then under Marketing.

There is find a Dealer....Can you be more specific with links or correct subtitles....

MMMmm

No it is not Mazda.ca.The site is only accessible to Mazda dealers.

or to me:)

there is some 2008 info starting to pop on the usa side as well i have been informed. only so far no rx-8 info or mx-5 info. this bit on the 2008 cx-9 surfaced

March 5, 2007
To: All Mazda Dealers

Subject: 2008MY Mazda CX-9
The all-new 2007 Mazda CX-9 is off to a great start and it is already time to order the first of the 2008 model year vehicles that
will arrive at your dealerships later this summer.
The 2008 model year CX-9 will offer a new advanced safety feature to medium crossover SUV intenders. Blind Spot Monitoring
system (BSM) will be standard equipment on all 08MY CX-9 Grand Touring models.
The BSM system uses radar sensors to help alert the driver when a vehicle is in a blind spot. The system monitors rear detection
zones any time the vehicle is traveling over 20 MPH, and illuminates a warning lamp in the outside mirror if any moving vehicle is
detected in this zone. If the driver uses the turn signal while the warning lamp for that direction is illuminated, a buzzer will sound.
Blind Sport Monitoring adds an additional safety feature to Grand Touring models and will compliment the already long list of
standard safety equipment found on all CX-9s.
Please look forward to more information regarding 08MY CX-9 specifications and pricing this summer.

Good info...pls post the same for '08 MY Rx-8 when it comes up in the US.

Off topic: Blind spot monitoring in the >4500 lb CX-9 sounds like a great idea... but:
1) it requires the driver to look in the mirror to notice the light; and
2) it requires the driver to activate the turn signal to hear the buzzer.

Many drivers of large SUVs do not appear to do either of these when changing lanes. Maybe they'd be better off having it sound a warning on the driver's cell phone.

hehehe ...:rofl:

The specifications for 2008 model RX-8 were issued on Mazda Canada website today.There is nothing much new.

Well WHY don't you tell us WHAT has Changed "007"..
Instead of throwing out such a vague comment....more detail if you have it.

Just colours and trim..

Why the hell would anyone want the MS8 anyway? It will be limited, overpriced, and still not as tunable as the MS3 or MS6.

..becuase it will look something like the rx8.. but.. with more power... and a warrinty with that extra power...

Why the hell would anyone want the MS8 anyway? It will be limited, overpriced, and still not as tunable as the MS3 or MS6.

The reason someone would want the MS RX8? Well thats because its like Nessie or Big Foot, its an elusive mythological beast that we all want to see and touch.

Still waiting.

no chance

....
Many drivers of large SUVs do not appear to do either of these when changing lanes. Maybe they'd be better off having it sound a warning on the driver's cell phone.

:rollingla :rofl: That's a good one! Also ....

.. and near the stereo's controls (aka 'American Idol' practice area)
.. and on the child seat (aka 'baby discipline' area)
.. and in the cup holder (aka 'food preparation' area)
.. and on the overhead visor mirror (aka 'makeup' area)

.....last but most important warning on the NAV/media screen:

"HELLO ???!!!
You'er weaving all over the freaking road IDIOT'

The specifications for 2008 model RX-8 were issued on Mazda Canada website today.There is nothing much new.


Can you just cut and paste that info and paste it here? Stop being ambiguous!

More power? Yeah right. Unless it's supercharged I don't want anything to do with it. There is no way they will come out with a turbocharged RX8. I guess we shall see. It will be funny if they just come out with an RX8 with all the Mazdaspeed parts. People will spend 40k on a RX8 that is no faster than stock 6 speed.

Can you just cut and paste that info and paste it here? Stop being ambiguous!

In Australia we call them BULLSHIT artist's or WANKER, JERK, DICK HEAD, F@%K WIT.

AND I will TAKE it ALL BACK if he actually posts information on what has changed....why post info without more detail.... :spank:

Drumroll please.

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Drumroll please.
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what a bastard, the guy disappeared and doesn't C&P here. he's probably lying.

This is my official image response to "upcoming new RX-8" threads:


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Yep!

theyre putting a rotary engine in the 2008 rx-8's

^^ I knew I should have waited 1 more year. I feel ripped off!

Anyone else notice that Winning Blue was on the paint list? Typo?

^ Yeah Canada specs..

its got 232hp :rock: !!!!!!!!!!!

^ Yeah Canada specs..
WTF? The Canadians still have Winning Blue?

"two rotors"

Thanks for the info, and I PUBLICLY TAKE BACK ALL THE 'DIS' I GAVE YOU.

I think it's best when you know something or have access to it is to share the info, particularly on the subject matter on anything new to the RX-8, IF you are not prepared to share it then don't mention it in the first instance, or expect a reaction. ;)

Even though they are Canada Specs, it's still the same for the rest of the world, so, no new/update RX-8 for 2008, I am surprised and then again...not.

It appears Mazda are going down the MX-5/Miata road, where it was about 7 years before any real change and 14 years before a platform change.

dropping phantom and keeping winning? it was exactly opposite for the US 2007 MY

Maybe if we all sign a petition then Mazda will produce an MS8 or at the very least an improved 8 for '08. Or we could all threaten to sue, that would probably work better.

Wow, I take back calling you a bastard too...

and double wow, that's hurtin'... I want the VR, and this year is the only year that they decided to take out the red/black, and they bring it back in 2008....damnit... I want the red/black interior! all the 06's are sold out... and if I want an 08 just for the color, I pay a premium... fack!

meh

What a waste of forum space

Mazda Crossfire!

They should bring winning blue back and make the moonroof optional in the US too.

Pretty stupid not to have an optional moonroof when the car has zero headroom to begin with. Unless mazda believes tall people don't like leather?

They should bring winning blue back and make the moonroof optional in the US too.

Pretty stupid not to have an optional moonroof when the car has zero headroom to begin with. Unless mazda believes tall people don't like leather?
Winning Blue for the.....win!

Perhaps they will bring back LIGHTNING YELLOW...

Or Burnt Orange anyone.....AH the 70's what a colour..that was

Nah, Lightning Yellow must remain exclusive to us first year owners. They are only allowed to bring yellow back for a Mazdaspeed version. ;)

wikipedia says redesign for 2009-2010

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for those that think the rotary is near its end

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=112316

2007 RX-8 US Spec Deck Draft was issued March 31, 2006, maybe we will see some thing soon. Hopefully...

they are going to have to do something. the hp /gas milage wars will force a move of some type.
olddragger

Any update from the US Dealer Network regarding '08 models?

nothing as of 2 days ago

Mazda is damn good at keeping the information from leaking out!
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I think a 2007 335i is sounding better and better all the time.

Remapping the ECU gets it into the high 12s.

As I always guess, the forces of evil & stupidity at Ford will stop Mazda from releasing a car that could blow the doors off their crappy Mustang.

I think a 2007 335i is sounding better and better all the time.

Remapping the ECU gets it into the high 12s.

As I always guess, the forces of evil & stupidity at Ford will stop Mazda from releasing a car that could blow the doors off their crappy Mustang.

yea, I think the reason why The NA mazda is so crappy is because Ford is afraid its gonna own their mustangs like shit.....which it already does.......

yea, I think the reason why The NA mazda is so crappy is because Ford is afraid its gonna own their mustangs like shit.....which it already does.......


wrong.

This is a stupid conspiracy theory and I'm tired of reading about it. Mustang's sell in the hundreds of thousands a year, the 8 even if it was faster, would have no impact on the Mustang.

Mazda's reasons for its treatment of the RX8 are money driven, period.

I just like the idea that Mazda is working on lowering the weight of their cars.

Less Mass = More Fun

I think a 2007 335i is sounding better and better all the time.

Remapping the ECU gets it into the high 12s.

As I always guess, the forces of evil & stupidity at Ford will stop Mazda from releasing a car that could blow the doors off their crappy Mustang.


And if I had 40-50k to spend on one it would be a good idea. I'll take a nice carbon black with red interior e93 please. Oh wait that is 20k more than I can afford.

I just like the idea that Mazda is working on lowering the weight of their cars.

Less Mass = More Fun

+! Yes! Think Ariel Atom :icon_tup:

less weight only goes so far in a passenger car ---ever ridden in a Lotus? I would not want that for my daily driver---damn great fun car though.
olddragger

would less mass contribute to less grip? I suck at this stuff

http://www.rx8media.com/images/2007-RX-8/2007rx8.jpg
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if that's it- 1st thing I'd do is get that awful crome thing off.

yeah, the front end slightly resembles a Saturn Sky

the headlight resembles the new Skyline Sedan. at least I think it does, might not be the same for others. I think I can get use to that. I mean I got use to the Civc Si! lol!

http://www.rx8media.com/images/2007-RX-8/2007rx8.jpg
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I wonder how many times people are going to post a picture of the kabura concept or something that resembles the kabura concept and call it the next RX-8. It could happen, but seriously, I doubt it.

too many people ready magazines and see the title "the next rx-8" showing the kabura... it will never end until that car either comes out or a new concept comes out.

I agree with 'Brillo',
Ford has no control over what Mazda does to the RX-8 apart from the car being a viable seller and profit maker.

As for the Mustang holding back the 8..well that is a load of BS.

The only thing that is holding the 8 back for the "extra" ZOOM, is emissions, then technology, but, as we hear Mazda are trying to Improve Fuel and Torque on their rotary like they have done over its 40 year history...

We just have to wait and see, but, sorry, I am not that optimistic on a "breakthrough" all new rotary that is solely petroleum driven.

Many plans can be announced in a 'press release'...but the reality is another story.

http://www.rx8media.com/images/2007-RX-8/2007rx8.jpg
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That thing is homely.

I am just waiting for the new rotary engine in 2010. I have the time to wait, lol. I wonder how will the car that will be containing that engine look like? I wonder if the Rx8 will be discontinued? I hope not, but if it is the new one better be as good, reliable, and family-friendly (4-seater) as the Rx8.

I am just waiting for the new rotary engine in 2010. I have the time to wait, lol. I wonder how will the car that will be containing that engine look like? I wonder if the Rx8 will be discontinued? I hope not, but if it is the new one better be as good, reliable, and family-friendly (4-seater) as the Rx8.

If there is a new Rotary around 2010, I think it will be called an RX-8, I see no reason to call it anything else, Mazda would continue to build on the 8's success.

If there is a new Rotary around 2010, I think it will be called an RX-8, I see no reason to call it anything else, Mazda would continue to build on the 8's success.

I would think so too, because it does not seem to make since why they would just stop production of a car that is doing extremely well. But then again, I really do not mind a couple of exterior changes, as long as it is still a 4 door, if you know what I mean? :confused:

I think a 2007 335i is sounding better and better all the time.

Remapping the ECU gets it into the high 12s.

As I always guess, the forces of evil & stupidity at Ford will stop Mazda from releasing a car that could blow the doors off their crappy Mustang.

so wrong...
The Mustang is the country's best selling sports car, a couple thousand more RX-8s wouldn't make any difference. Besides the potential Mustang Customer and RX-8 customer do now have much in common.

so wrong...
The Mustang is the country's best selling sports car, a couple thousand more RX-8s wouldn't make any difference. Besides the potential Mustang Customer and RX-8 customer do now have much in common.

That's a good point. Also, Ford owns Mazda. If they made an RX-8 that blew the doors off a Mustang... it would also blow the doors off of all other competition.

Driving sales up for the RX-8 doesn't mean an equal amount of lower sales for the Mustang. Sure, maybe one in three people who would buy that RX-8 bought it over a Mustang, but they also bought it over a 350Z, S2K, Solstice, BMW 330, Accord, Camry, Camaro, GTO, etc.

So a faster RX-8 doesn't mean less money for Ford -- it means more money -- so there is no logical reason they would intentionally hinder it.

If there is a new Rotary around 2010, I think it will be called an RX-8, I see no reason to call it anything else, Mazda would continue to build on the 8's success.

unless they bring back the rx-7. build on the legend. pure sports car, 2 seats, no compromises. I wish.

That's a good point. Also, Ford owns Mazda. If they made an RX-8 that blew the doors off a Mustang... it would also blow the doors off of all other competition.

Driving sales up for the RX-8 doesn't mean an equal amount of lower sales for the Mustang. Sure, maybe one in three people who would buy that RX-8 bought it over a Mustang, but they also bought it over a 350Z, S2K, Solstice, BMW 330, Accord, Camry, Camaro, GTO, etc.

So a faster RX-8 doesn't mean less money for Ford -- it means more money -- so there is no logical reason they would intentionally hinder it.

Actually Ford does not own Mazda, they only have a 40% stake in the company. However I have to agree that the RX-8 and Mustang are rarely cross shopped and then it would only be the GT Mustang.

unless they bring back the rx-7. build on the legend. pure sports car, 2 seats, no compromises. I wish.

thats what my friend who has a 2nd gen. rx-7 thinks mazdas going to do. and that picture of the "new" rx8 is hideous. as for the new rx8, if they come out with it, it'll probably be after the MS 8 if they make that. then again, mazda didnt do anything to the 3rd gen. rx-7's as far as tuning goes,makes me wonder if they just leave the rx series untouched as far as performance.

Actually, I think the Rx7 should either come out many years later, or be completely dropped. Its reputation is too good to be messing around with. Then again I have read many points before that does give a reason to bring back the Rx7. For instance, the Skyline is being brought back, despite its risk of ruining the name, but they are still doing it, and people are hyped up about it. Then again we won't really know the result till people starts test driving the Skyline and comparing it with the old, and the result of that most likely be closely watched by Mazda, which will most likely contribute to their final decision to either bring the Rx7 back or not.

At least that is my scenario, lol. :p:

Actually Ford does not own Mazda, they only have a 40% stake in the company. However I have to agree that the RX-8 and Mustang are rarely cross shopped and then it would only be the GT Mustang.

I would fit into the "rarely" category... I went from an '01 SVT Cobra vert to my 8 a year ago.

One thing though, it makes sense for Mazda to come out with a MS8 or new rotary in the 2008 to 2009 (2009 for the new rotary) time frame.

Many people have 3 to 5 year warranties. Depending on the country, the warranties will expire in the 2008 to 2009 time frame. Mazda should want to keep customers interested and from defecting to something else.

A Mazdaspeed 8 would make sense to hold down the fort if they are still working out the kinks on new rotary technology. Also, Mazda could catch a bunch of customers for extra cash by having them trade up to a Mazdaspeed RX-8, then catch new customers and some of their present ones again with a new rotary 2 years later.

Everyone knows you can FI or do something to at least get 50HP more out of the present rotary. I mean come on, if the Int-X is finding 20HP extra, no matter how retarded the Mazdaspeed engineers may be they gotta be finding some extra HP somewhere. I kinda of think you don't need to go FI to find that extra 50HP. ECU upgrade, air intake tweaks, etc... I would think the Mazdaspeed engineers could come damn close at this point in time without FI. Also, R&D into the new rotary may be showing what they can do to the present rotary engine to get a little more out of it.

On the flip, you damn sure can find ~100HP by going FI, as the pro-tuners like Mazsport and Pettit have shown Mazda. If anything, you would think Mazda engineers would get their hands on those supercharger or turbo kits and figure something out.

Just the 50ish HP jump would put JDM models at ~300HP, what everybody has been begging for for years. 50ish HP more should also be relatively safe to not cause more warranty issues.

Also, I think at this point, Mazda should be thinking more HP. There is no point to really tackle the gas/mpg issues until the next rotary engine release. The RX-8 is getting great reviews now. So I would think you tack on a bit more HP, if you can't get a new rotary engine out soon.

If they have figured out the new rotary, than I would expect a 2009ish release (as it may come late in the year). If they still have issues with the new rotary, I would expect a Mazdaspeed 8 in the 2008 to 2009 time frame and a new rotary in the 2010 to 2011 time frame.

Long thread - guess I'll take a shot at reading the crystal ball:
Since there's been no press, no leaks, no spy photos, I'll predict that 08 will be a straight repeat of 07. Maybe a new color, or maybe not even that, and the stray option change or so.

Future rotary RX-7: Could be. The technologies are all there. It would have to be priced away (higher) from the MX5 so as not to interfere with those sales. So at a price point of say below $40,000 you could squeeze under the Boxsters, and maybe go against Z4's. Related unknowns: Will BMW drop the Z4 and do the MX5 level Z2? Will they do both? Will Honda drop the S2000, or bring out a new car? My strategy would be to shoot for $35,000 max and stay under as many of the high end marques as possible. The Miata thrives on good bang for the buck. Do a 2 seat MX5/RX8 spinoff for $33,550 and maybe it could work. Lose 2 seats and 250 lbs. from the RX8.

Maybe a $50-60,000 high performance car? Don't know how Mazda would do against the other cars in that range, since there's some pretty good hardware out there for 60 large, with high lux badges.

So much for prognosticating, we'll know in Sept.