You all should be kissing my ass for a long time for organizing this.

Yep KW Variant 3 Coilover Suspension, these are better then any, I repeat ANY, coilover system made for the Rx-8 for the following reasons:



Double Adjustability, not just 1 knob that controls Rebound and Compression but 2 separate adjusters. (I'm not aware of any other system with true Double Adjustability)
Extremely Precise Valving, one of the major critiques of Japanese suspension is inadequate valving thats matched with a very high rate springs.
Progressing Rate Spring in the rear, stock suspension has a progressive rear, lots of conflicting opinion on what type of spring is better for the hardcore racer, but a progressive rate rear will give you a much more predictable handling car in addition to better ride quality for the weekend warrior.
They come with a lifetime warranty.
They are built in Germany.
http://www.kw-suspension.com/images/produkte/varianten_en_2007.jpg
Spring Rates:
Front: Linear 455
Rear: Progressive 285
Custom Spring Rates available for a serious auto-x or road race application there will be an additional charge of $125.00 if you want them. Keep in mind these are very precisely valved so any change should be minuet. (also lifetime warranty will be lost with custom spring rates)

$1800 Shipped

Details about Adjustment Tech: http://www.kw-suspension.com/en/20_Technology/10_Damping_technology/15_Adjustment.php
http://www.kw-gmbh.de/kw_upload/Einbau/ea68577009.pdf (http://www.kw-suspension.com/en/20_Technology/10_Damping_technology/15_Adjustment.php)

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EXCELLENT NEWS; We no longer have to do a 10 person miniumum order I will be doing the group buy in sets of 2, best thing is the price is still the same, so if you have signed up, pay up, and things will drop ship straight to your door.

very good pricing! =P

Does this system replaces everything but the sway bars??

Does this system replaces everything but the sway bars??Not sure what your mean by "everything" but yes you will need to reuse your stop top mounts, you can replace all the rubber pieces in the stock top mounts for $35 bucks, which will make them as good as new, here are the part #s.

4 qty F151-28-776
4 qty F151-28-775A
2 qty F151-28-012

Your about a year too late. I've them for that long and it's like glue on the track.

Damn good price.

Don't look at the kit. It's painted black on the bottom. Check the wheel wells.

Front is 3" off the ground.

How low do you want to go?

How low do you want to go?My seting will be somewhere between 23-25.5 it all depends on how the front lower-a arms sits basically I want it to pitch up a little bit at the ball joint, won't know exact numbers till i get it aligned and coner weighed.

wow this is a steal man. i would get these.... just saving up for other things:( maybe in a while i'll jump on this!! :rock:

shh.... don't tell anyone it's a steal.

it won't be below 25.5"

Mine's set for an even drop. 25.5" front, however the rear reads 24.5".

I know the car is level as I checked the frame height myself on the rack.

The wheel well design is differant for the front and rear so that osn't a good measurement.

I'm thinking about moving it higher by 3/4" so I can get another 1/1" clearance on the front lip if I add 17" wheels.

Razz1, That spoiler is sweet...How much down force does it add??

Not sure what your mean by "everything" but yes you will need to reuse your stop top mounts, you can replace all the rubber pieces in the stock top mounts for $35 bucks, which will make them as good as new, here are the part #s.

4 qty F151-28-776
4 qty F151-28-775A
2 qty F151-28-012
Sorry, i'm new to suspension upgrades....I'm assuming by top hats you mean sway bars??

i have the jic magic coilovers right now. how would the ride quality compare for everyday driving?

mork, shocks and springs don't add downforce. it stabilize the car during cornering to maximize tire contact patch area thus better handling.

i have the jic magic coilovers right now. how would the ride quality compare for everyday driving?

mork, shocks and springs don't add downforce. it stabilize the car during cornering to maximize tire contact patch area thus better handling.

Thanks stick, but I was reffering to the picture of Razz1's front nose

For the rear coilovers do they need remotes for adjusting since the top is basically covered once installed?

i have the jic magic coilovers right now. how would the ride quality compare for everyday driving?I've heard of an isssue with the valving on JIC especially the FLTA2 getting very worn out after as little as 1 year of use, not sure if you've experienced such a degredation in its performance. But thats another nice thing about these KWs, the lifetime warranty.

But brand new for brand new these will have a much nicer ride quality then any JIC coilover I am aware of.

For the rear coilovers do they need remotes for adjusting since the top is basically covered once installed?I'm guessing your referencing the Koni Yellow, and the issue with it is, it needs to be removed from the car for rebound adjustment is because it doesn't have an external adjuster in the rear. The KWs do have an external adjuster for rebound located at the top of the shock body. And Adjusters for compression are located at the bottom of the shock body.

So you can adjust for both without removing the coilover from the car; however, I will be fabricating my own adjustment cables for rebound in the rear because the top of the shock mounts are so difficult to get too, i.e. pulling back the carpet etc.... if you would like me to make some for the members of this group buy let me know.

A repeat of 4 Years........

How are dampening adjustments made after installation, Polak?

How are dampening adjustments made after installation, Polak?http://www.kw-suspension.com/images/content/technik/zugverst.jpghttp://www.kw-suspension.com/images/content/technik/druckver.jpghttp://www.kw-suspension.com/images/content/technik/Druck_V3.jpg

1st pic:Twist for rebound on F and R
2nd pic: Compression adjuster on F
3rd pic: Compression adjuster on R

Razz am I right about this I don't have my personal set yet so I haven't seen the rx8 specific set in person?

A repeat of 4 Years........
What?

I was simply repeating "4 years to Supercharge's" question above mine and I was making referrence to it :)

I've heard many a good thing about this system but I'm wondering if there is to much for a weekend warrior to worry about, i.e. as far as the many different ways to adjust them. Is it difficult to get the setup just right?

I was originally looking at getting Tein Flex or Mono Flex. The prices are decent and the quality is good. Again, I understand that this is a great set but is it too much to mess with w.r.t. I want to be able to set them and go. The car is only driven every so often and when I do get it out I like to aggressively run it through the gears. I plan on a few track days but no autox-ing.

What do you guys think?

Thanks in advance.

PS - How soon after you get the ten would it be before we get them?

I've heard many a good thing about this system but I'm wondering if there is to much for a weekend warrior to worry about, i.e. as far as the many different ways to adjust them. Is it difficult to get the setup just right?I disagree, if you were to go with another coilover system you have one adjuster to control rebound and compression. And i don't like what that implies; for instance what sort of relationship has the manufactuer set for that adjuster when you stiffen rebound are you stiffening compression or is it an inverse relationship and what are the ratios in each case.

What if i want to soften the compression in the rear so i can get more power to the ground? But at the same time I want to stiffen rebound to generate some more oversteer....

You can still set it and go you'll just need to figure out which setting works and you have more options to figure that out, but after you do you'll have and infinately better set up that you won't have to touch onces its finely tuned.
And on top of that you'll have me who should be getting his set shortly to give you a great performance focused baseline to start from.

quality is good.You'll get an arguement from alot of guys about flexs, and mono flex is more expensive then this GB price and not better by any means unless simplicty is a plus for you.

too much to mess with w.r.t. I want to be able to set them and go.As I said above you will be able to do that you'll just need to figure out what setting is the best for you first.

PS - How soon after you get the ten would it be before we get them?1-1.5weeks for shipping

Oh boy, now I'm in trouble............you've answered all my questions and there's nothing left for me to do but order. I'll ponder the expense over a week in Naples with my family.

Anyone else on the forum that has these, that would like to chime in?

Just thought of a question........

What kind of ride height adjustment can we look at with this setup?

I see pics of Razz's 8 and the drop looks great.

Thanks again.

They will drop to the point that you can't drive over speed bumps...or driveways :D:

How low do you want to go ;)

This is a great deal....let's get this going.

Unless someone can get me Mark's Koni's for the same price :D:



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yeah, great deal

can't believe people buy that Tokico/Tein crap over these

you can certainly go lower than 25.5", you just shouldn't ... ;)

you can certainly go lower than 25.5", you just shouldn't ... ;)BTW What/where/how is your perscribe method of measuring this.

Polak, are the KW's the sportiest suspension for our cars right now, or just the best bang for your buck??

Polak, are the KW's the sportiest suspension for our cars right now, or just the best bang for your buck??Depends how you define sporties, on paper they will translate to be the best performing coilover system in the high end range, however there is an even higher range thats much more aggressive, but they cost $3700-$5000 and since you didn't know the difference between a top hat and a sway bar you personally probably would not be able to take advantage of a system price in this range.

Depends how you defind sporties, on paper they will translate to be the best performing coilover system in the high end range, however there is an even higher range thats much more aggressive, but they cost $3700-$5000 and since you didn't know the difference between a top hat and a sway bar you personal would probably would not be able to take advantage of a system price in this range.

Touche....If I ever track the car, it will only be once or twice, so what is the advantage of this system on the street over koni yellows w/RB springs and sways??

Oh, I forgot to mention I read the article you prescribed, and I will have someone knowledgeable helping me with tuning.

so how much better would this system be over some koni yellows w/RB springs and sways??Infinatly, you just have to be good enough of a driver to harness its entire potential.

Theoretically speaking...How much lateral grip do you suppose our cars could generate on a skidpad w/this system, some upgraded sways, and wider tyres?? Anyone?

Theoretically speaking...How much lateral grip do you suppose our cars could generate on a skidpad w/this system, some upgraded sways, and wider tyres?? Anyone?I believe it was McCall who posted he got 1.10g with a set of RT615s in 275/35/18 I know he had sways im unsure if he had a non-stock suspension but you can expect to see those kinds of numbers and higher on a track/course with a properally setup combination of what you just mentioned.

You aren't stopping the gb at 10, correct?

We just need 10 to get it going, yes?

You aren't stopping the gb at 10, correct?

We just need 10 to get it going, yes?This is correct, potentially the price would be cheaper if it went over 10, hell if you have $20,000 to throw down you could probably sell these for a profit, however i do not have 20,000 nor am willing to assume the risk.

This is extremely tempting.

Polak, How would you compare this system to the Tociko D-specs??

the d-specs are just shocks, these are full coilovers, you should compare these with HKS Hipermaxes, JIC (forget the name), Tein Flexes. And im tempted into getting thsee myself.

so how are they compared to those mentioned above^^^

Let's put it this way...I have JIC's on the car....and I like them.

I have a fried with the KW's on his STI...that I drove before and after the coilovers...and the KW's are awesome.

I'm still buying a set....so that might help you decide.

I wish I had the 5K for what I'd like to buy...but I have to feed my family before the car :D:

so how are they compared to those mentioned above^^^Like anything the driver make the biggest difference, but put it this way "TECHNICALLY" nothing touches these coilovers short of going to koni 2812s or moton clubsports which can range $3800-$5000.

PS your username causes alot of problems when trying to quote you.

http://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php?p=1766823&postcount=7

I love it when people agree with me.

bump for a good deal

and a question, i have been considering the tein flexes, someone tell me what specifically makes these better or more effective.

I'm feeling kinda lonely on this list...need some help to spend my tax refund :D:

These are a great coilover ....especially at this price

im interested but im not sold yet, sell me :)

Your girl/boy ( everyone pick the one that applies) friend will pleasure you for 3 days if you install these coilovers :D:

They are that cool......

comon feras if you buy flexs I wont install em for you adding to the cost of buying an inferior product, if your worried about too many options for adjustment you'll have me who will be posting the "best performace" settings possible so you need not really worry.

Come on Feras...."you know you want it" :D:

These are superior coilovers at an amazing price. There's not anything I've seen, technically, that can touch them for anywhere near this money.

Those that want to tune their track performance to the 'neth' degree should be all over these. A great GB opportunity - go for it :yesnod:

AND on top of what spin9k said these will RIDE better then any coilover on the market, due to its:
1) Lower spring rates then most if not all Japanese coilovers on the market
2) Precise Valving to match the rates
3) The Progressive Rear Spring

Its a WIN WIN for whatever floats your boat!

MAN ! how the )#@!*$#@$ do I miss this ?

if I can spot this GB couple days earlier I could've jump into this GB .... now I just spent almost 1 K on my flywheel + clutch setup ......

I want coilover but what is the HIGHEST height settings for KW Var 3 ? I want to try some track this year, but before that this is still my daily driver, and New York City has the shittest road ever, so I need to know how high can this go before I check with my bank ...

MAN ! how the )#@!*$#@$ do I miss this ?

if I can spot this GB couple days earlier I could've jump into this GB .... now I just spent almost 1 K on my flywheel + clutch setup ......

I want coilover but what is the HIGHEST height settings for KW Var 3 ? I want to try some track this year, but before that this is still my daily driver, and New York City has the shittest road ever, so I need to know how high can this go before I check with my bank ...What i was told by KW is that the "lowering adjustment range" was from .08-2.0 in the front and .06-1.8 in the rear; these are also "TUV" approved as going lower or higher would cause undo stress on the spring or at least I would assume.

I'll ask if you can go higher then OEM, but it probably wouldn't be advised.

Btw you've never seen New Orleans roads, i've driven both and let me tell you i would pay you for the ground your on right now.

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1) Lower spring rates then most if not all Japanese coilovers on the market

According to my calculations they are exactly the same as most 8 kg/mm front and 5 kg/mm rear (445/55.88 = 8.14 & 255/55.88 = 5.1). Same as Cusco & JIC. HKS is 7/5, Zeal Xs is 8/6.

That being said these are WAY better. Dual adjustments, stainless, warranty... I'm so tempted but I just got my 8 and have a big list of to-do's! I don't need further selling, just need to make up my mind.

According to dpeweb.com:

JIC "hard" is 560 front 392 rear "soft"'s are almost the same rates.
I'll take your word on the other ones tho.

What i was told by KW is that the "lowering adjustment range" was from .08-2.0 in the front and .06-1.8 in the rear; these are also "TUV" approved as going lower or higher would cause undo stress on the spring or at least I would assume.

I'll ask if you can go higher then OEM, but it probably wouldn't be advised.

Btw you've never seen New Orleans roads, i've driven both and let me tell you i would pay you for the ground your on right now.

Hmm, well I got 2 bent OEM wheels , and 3 sidewall cuts Proxes 4 .....

They dont have to be as high as OEMs, an inch lower should be *fine* .... but nothing lower.

Hmm, well I got 2 bent OEM wheels , and 3 sidewall cuts Proxes 4 .....

They dont have to be as high as OEMs, an inch lower should be *fine* .... but nothing lower.I've got 2 bent OEMs, but you have 1 more sidewall then me so touche. Then i did all that inside 3000 miles :Eyecrazy:

Then at .08 min and .06 min in F/R you should be "okay"

The ride height doesn't really effect the damage from potholes, unless the car bottoms out.

I suppose you loose a bit of suspension travel...but it's the springrate and damping that depends on the "hit"

The difference between OEM and coilover doesn't make much difference when you hit a big hole :(

O and btw Feras thanks for signing up, whose next lets get this on a roll i want 5 by the begining of next week... success07 ready to bite the bullet?

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The ride height doesn't really effect the damage from potholes, unless the car bottoms out.

I suppose you loose a bit of suspension travel...but it's the springrate and damping that depends on the "hit"

The difference between OEM and coilover doesn't make much difference when you hit a big hole :(

I know :(

Thats probably why my gf said I drive like an idiot now, cuz I keep on dodging all the holes that I see, deep or not.

Aye ...

I've got 2 bent OEMs, but you have 1 more sidewall then me so touche. Then i did all that inside 3000 miles :Eyecrazy:

Then at .08 min and .06 min in F/R you should be "okay"

I did all that in 1/2 year.

Now I think I need to check my bank account and see if I can *use* that much money in a month ...

how hard are these to adjust? like how much skill is needed.

I m interestd but not sure if you can arrange shipping to far east or alternatively when i arrive LA on May 12, u may hav it snd to my hotel ?

Han :fingersx:

how hard are these to adjust? like how much skill is needed.
Download the PDFs here. They explain it all...
http://www.kw-suspension.com/en/30_Products/20_KW_Coilovers/40_Application_List/index.php?modell_1=RX8&level=3&hersteller_1=MAZDA&gruppe=all&zeile=1

Polak, might want to download these for your original post.

how hard are these to adjust? like how much skill is needed.http://www.kw-gmbh.de/kw_upload/Einbau/ea68577009.pdf

These explain the general principles, however after I recieve my set I'll be posting a detailed DIY on how to get the "best performance" from these, if you feel thats too hard for daily driving you can soften compression(they call it bump in this pdf) and rebound from the "best performance" setting until your ride is comfortable.

BTW i don't expect the performance settings i'm going to run to be that uncomfortable on the street, so i'm not woried

Basically guys its not that hard your turning 2 knobs... not one... don't worry about it !
I m interestd but not sure if you can arrange shipping to far east or alternatively when i arrive LA on May 12, u may hav it snd to my hotel ?

Han :fingersx:That might be a little risky, i'd perfer to ship them to you in the Far East, I believe KW is drop shipping these straight from Germany so the shipping charge won't be much greater to ship it from Germany to Asia.

Talked to KW again today, if you track your car frequently or auto-x and would like custom spring rates its +$125 and once again you'll loose the lifetime warranty, original post updated.

Saw myself quoted, and just wanted to clarify. The standard JIC FLT-A2s are 448lb front and 280lb rear springs; very close to these KWs. Not speaking to the quality of either, just saying the rates are very close. And they use progressive rear springs, just like the KWs.

Note that spring rates don't necessarily equate to ride harshness either. All else being equal (such as getting stiffer springs for these KWs as is an option apparently), yes, stiffer springs = stiffer ride. But as we all know, all else is rarely equal. There may be a substantial difference in ride between any of the common coilovers out there despite having similar spring rates.

Looks like a hell of a price on these, by the way, and on paper they do appear to be the best thing going. I'll be interested to hear reports from the track to see how they do compare to the other options out there.

Just curious, do they use the OEM upper mount in the rear like JIC and HKS, or do they have their own pillowball or rubber-isolated mount like Tein?

Just curious, do they use the OEM upper mount in the rear like JIC and HKS, or do they have their own pillowball or rubber-isolated mount like Tein?I've heard Yes from someone and No from KW-USA, I'm asking Razz to clarify this for me?

For those that don't know what pillowball mounts are, you probably don't need/want them. They basically transmit much more precisely movement to the coil over, and allow for camber alignment adjustments to be made more easily/precisely on strut type suspensions. HOWEVER, these are usually for diehards as they transmit much more noise and vibration and in some cases need to be replaced annually or bi-annually. I don't even think I want/need them.

If its a No, KW-USA says they are developing and will have the upper pillowballs for these coilovers within 2-3 months, however if you absolutely want them now they sell pillowballs for their fullout racing suspensions, however they are a little pricey $300-350. The ones they are making for the Variant 3 will be $200.

I only ask because if they do use the OEM rear tophat and do not come with a cable, you will not be able to adjust rebound in back with them on the car. Now if you come up with some cables, as I think we've discussed in the past and you mention in this thread, that would take care of it.

If they come with their own upper mount, you MAY be able to adjust the rebound in the rear fairly easily by pulling back the trunk liner. This is true of the Flex and MonoFlex, which use their own rubber isolated upper mounts. HKS and JIC come with extention cables to take care of adjustment using the OEM upper mount, as do Tokico D-spec shocks (if you buy them from us :)).

Just something I'd like to know personally, really. I wouldn't mind trying these myself. Where is Razz? He has about 4.7 million posts, so I know he spends a lot of time on here :)......

And on a side note, pillowball or otherwise custom upper mounts do not effect/control camber or caster on the RX-8. That is only for cars with strut suspensions, in which case it is usually very desirable to have them for the alignment adjustability. In this case, pillowball upper mounts will simplify the install a bit and allow for a bit more precision in how the dampers respond, and may ease rear rebound adjustment if they do in fact make rear mounts for it.

I only ask because if they do use the OEM rear tophat and do not come with a cable, you will not be able to adjust rebound in back with them on the car. Now if you come up with some cables, as I think we've discussed in the past and you mention in this thread, that would take care of it.

If they come with their own upper mount, you MAY be able to adjust the rebound in the rear fairly easily by pulling back the trunk liner.
In either case the cables I'll be making are a must because that whole processes of pulling back the trunk liner is just too big of a pain in the ass and somewhat difficult from what i hear.

Hell if they only cost me a few buck a piece i'll make them free to the members of this group buy :rock:

EXCELLENT NEWS; We no longer have to do a 10 person miniumum order I will be doing the group buy in sets of 2, best thing is the price is still the same, so if you have signed up, pay up, and things will drop ship straight to your door.

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For the inital order I would like to have at least 3 if not 4 so noone at KW has any doubts about if this was a profitable idea or not, so lets get 1 or 2 more guys

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Phil (DPE) could I pursuade you to send me a set of those cables, it might be to your benefit as they may be compatible with the KW adjuster and a cheaper alternative then me having to pay for the materials to fabricate them for the members of the group buy?
I won't damage them in anyway and if you want i'll pay for em long as you promise to return them if they aren't what i'm looking for, or if i look at them and realize that I can do what i need to for $50 bucks at home depot for 10 people.

polak,

if you are refering to the tokico cable i have an extra one you can borrow to try.

beers :beer:

I also have the JIC adjusters...I can try them as well when they come

Good work on the 2 person thing........I'll get you a MO ASAP

if you are refering to the tokico cable i have an extra one you can borrow to try.Please, and thank you, ship here: http://www.polakgraphics.com/index2.php?page=contact.html

i will get it out tomorrow.

beers :beer:

Excellent thanks again swoope; Feras is paid, i'll wait for dannobre's MO to mark him as paid.

I'll have pictures of my set uploaded in about a week when they get to my residence and i have time to tinker while I'm home over Easter/Spring Break.

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Like I said lets get one more so i don't look bad placing the inital order.

Mark...even if I send you the MO tomorrow....it will take about week for the Post to get it to you......I sent Team and Jay MO's and it took about 10days to get there :( Paypa; would be faster. Did you get a price for the pillowball mounts for the front?

If you send it priority flat rate envelope ($4.05) it will get there there in 2-3days, and btw supermarket money orders are significantly cheaper then postal money orders.

Did you get a price for the pillowball mounts for the front?I'm hunting this down for you, KWUSA says that KWEUR may have a set available and I found this R32 post that would seem to corroborate this:
http://forums.speedarena.com/zerothread?id=3064008
Blue R32, sig says that he has Variant 3's and "KW Motorsports Adjustable Top Mounts" I'm asking the owner of the car to elborate, it may just be that those are the Racing ones I meantioned earlier for $300-350, IF thats the case and IF they are adaptable to the Rx-8 (racing catalog for 2006 doesnt' have the rx8) would you want them, or do you wanna hold out on the prototypes that KWUSA will be realease in a few months?

I do want the pillowball upper mount...the adjustment will do nothing on our cars though..and is a waste of money. See if they have a non-adjustable one...I can wait for them if needed.

As for the postal delivery...remember I live in Canada :D:....it takes 4-5 days to get to the border :D:

This is what their racing catalog says: (image attached)

Now it says they are "adjustable in some applications" meaning they probably wouldn't be for ours, because like you said it would be a waste of money. Now don't quote me on this but i thought i read that the MX-5 (which they have racing pillow ball mounts in their 2006 catalog) uses the same upper mount for their suspension as we do...?

polak,

adjuster went out today.. i will need it back at some point. it is one of my good ones...

beers :beer:

good deal, i'll be able to fux with it over easter, then i'll send it back.

This may be a stupid question but does lifetime warranty mean free rebuilds??

^ Good question ^

"The KW warranty is a lifetime warranty to the original purchaser against defects in materials and workmanship for as long as you own that car registered for street use. The warranty does not cover damage to the parts caused by misuse, misapplication, installation, motorsports, etc."

When I started the groub buy I asked my contact if the warranty covers rebuilds; the responce I got is "any seal damage is warranted long as its not caused by poor installation or vehicle accidents" he didn't even mention anything about racing.

So as long as your rebuild isn't because you bent a shaft or something like that i would assume so.

dannobre; if you want new ones you can get all 4 stock top mounts for $150 from mazmart or you can reuse your stock ones and if you really want pillowballs, speedsource can convert the OEMs ones for $195/pair. Pretty good deal.

Paul at mazmart confirmed that MX-5 topmounts are different, still waiting on KWEUR to answer if they have an racing application for the rx-8, I myself will probably wait on KWUSA to produce a kit for $200/pair.

Sorry I was late getting back to the party on this; sounds like Beers covered you on the cable, but we can supply them if need be. By the fact you need a cable am I to assume that the kit does not come with top mounts of any kind? Sounds like no fronts either? Just want to clarify that. I'd say the odds are better that the JIC cable will adapt to the KWs, but you may get lucky on the Tokico ones.

still waiting on KWEUR to answer if they have an racing application for the rx-8, I myself will probably wait on KWUSA to produce a kit for $200/pair.
Bump for a Great Price...and an answer from KW EUR

PoLak,

Mounted? Any pics yet?

PoLak,

Mounted? Any pics yet?

Upzz....

Upzz....

Trying to get your post count up?
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The last 6 posts have been upzz... :rant:

My stuff came two days ago, won't be mounting it until the end of april.
Should be really easy to make an adapter for the adjustment cables swoope sent me, i'll go to home depot today to see what i can throw together.
Pics of front and rear coilovers.

don't forget to weight them once the top mounts are installed

Ha Ha...... Ypu for got about the adjustments on the bottom. See that rubber C clip on the bottom? Move it and you can use a screw driver to adjust it.

Dam! I hope this GB will last long enough for me too save 1700!

It might take a month or two, but I'm completely determined too get in on this...

Dam! I hope this GB will last long enough for me too save 1700!

It might take a month or two, but I'm completely determined too get in on this...You should be fine, I expect to be running this for a while.

I've found the required hardware to link up the tokico adjustment cable to the KW rebound adjuster, so this will be fairly easy to do.... OR

But heres the really exciting bit, I'm about 2 weeks away from having a finalized EDFC-like system for adjusting rebound, i've sourced the motors and have a way of attaching them to the shocks, now all i have to do is find a analog knob with 16 positions and make a programming table for the controller and wam bam we'll have a electronic way of turning the rebound adjustment knob in the rear rather than using extension cables, pretty cool if you ask me.

Great idea Polak.

The coilovers I have should work perfectly with the Cusco Zero2E controller once I make a bracket to hold the motors on the top of the adjusters.

It will be awesome to have control from inside the car. :icon_tup:

Sign on MSN Ted i'd like to discuss a few things with you.

I'm tempted.....Hmmmm. I'm actually considering this offer Polak. :squint:

Dam! I hope this GB will last long enough for me too save 1700!

It might take a month or two, but I'm completely determined too get in on this...

Yeah me 2, gimme at the least 3 mos.

Took some close up shots of the individual components showing off some quality German engineering; just look at the input shaft diameter upgrade (I’ve never seen input shafts this thick, and the metal/plastic hybrid lower helper spring perch (presumably to save weight).

Dan and Feras are Paid soon as your check clears i'll be ordering your stuff, probably Wed.

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Took some close up shots of the individual components showing off some quality German engineering; just look at the input shaft diameter upgrade (I’ve never seen input shafts this thick, and the metal/plastic hybrid lower helper spring perch (presumably to save weight).

Dan and Feras are Paid soon as your check clears i'll be ordering your stuff, probably Wed.

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Btw, your jeans are ripped. :wiggle:

PolakEdit: this post sounds so wrong on so many levels.

Damn... that shaft IS thick.

Btw, your jeans are ripped. :wiggle:

PolakEdit: this post sounds so wrong on so many levels.

ewwwwwwhhhhhh, cringe.


beers :beer:

I'm glad you got the joke. :crazy:

I was expecting crickets.

Just as an added point; several of you that are local to me have PM'd me if I could install these for you and save the typical $400-500 dollar installation fee for those that are not mechanically inclined.

If that’s the case, I don't have an issue with doing the install for you, and would just ask for some small pittance in exchange; one sway bar, or a set of AWR endlinks, car parts are perfered but a nice bottle of red wine (I like mid to very sweet reds; melots, barbarossas, cabernet franc/sauvignon, or even semillons) I'm also trying to broaden my fine scotch/bourbon horizons.

Dan and Feras your stuff is ordered and processing, soon as i have tracking numbers i will give them to you. My set came out of California lets hope yours do as well that way you won't have to wait as long on the international shipping.

kick ass, btw if i don't have you install the coilovers would you still be able to fabricate those adjustor cables for the rears? (i dont know if i want to wait for ya to get back to put the coilovers on...too excited)

Yeah Feras i have no prob with making you the adapaters for the cables, or if it ready by then the edfc like system i'm developing.

that edfc is what im excited about.

i heard if 10 people buy coilovers i get one for free, is this true?

yes but only one coilover, rear left lol

hey the only thing diff about the flexes to me is the efdc that comes with it for 350 more than the price tag so its like a 1850 price for a bit of laziness and a decent suspesion. hey polak how do i pay for this since im in the dersert right now.? any cheap ideas.

By the desert do you mean Iraq/Middle East?
Since Muslims don't believe in borrowing money, i.e. there aren't many banks, and western union probably isn't too profitable of a business, just mail me a personal check.

rockld_1928@yahoo.com

umm thanks (dot dot dot)
I'm not a salesman here, if you want em then express your interest.

Goodnews, the coupler for the Tokico adjustment cable works without issue.
Next good news the inexpensive motors I sourced are powerful enough to torque the adjustment knob without issue, Pictures below.

very very nice job..

beers :beer:

cant wait to see the install!

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i might get these at the end of the summer.....extremely tempting. are they height adjustable? i didnt want to read through the pages and pages of posts.

Yup.

What i was told by KW is that the "lowering adjustment range" was from .08-2.0 in the front and .06-1.8 in the rear; these are also "TUV" approved as going lower or higher would cause undo stress on the spring or at least I would assume.

I'll ask if you can go higher then OEM, but it probably wouldn't be advised.

so r these height adjustable? in car too?

No coilovers made for the rx-8 are height adjustable, from in the car... thats not something you're going to find for cheap.

but it is height adjustable tho right?

Yes... read/understand/then spend money.

Yes... read/understand/then spend money.
i dont feel like reading 9 pages, i understand completely, im not spending the money for a bit. its unclear on kw's website

:slap: anyway, I went on mazdaspeed motorsports to figure out how much it would be to replace all the rubber pieces in the stock top mounts since mine should be fairly worn after 40k, turns out its only $35 to replace everything which i'd be doing rather than reconditioning the old rubber. New rubber parts will make them pretty much good as new.

part numbers for what you need are below:

4 qty F151-28-776
4 qty F151-28-775A
2 qty F151-28-012

:slap: anyway,
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Psycho your order is still processing.

i may just wait for you to get back here anyway to install em

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Dan and Feras sorry for the delay in getting you tracking #'s I'm leaving messages and will have them soon.
Psycho your order is still processing.


hopefully it will be here soon

Hopefully this GB should keep running for a while...scraping money together...

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Nice price, but I will be hard pressed to part with my Zeals. :D:

I have so much stuff to install.......and so little time. Roll bar, harnesses, seats...and the KW's when they get here.......At this rate I won't get another track day till June.....

OH....I don't anyway :D: Guess I can chill a bit...

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Ferrrrrrrras's coilovers shipped 4/25 Tracking PM'd
Dan's are shipping from Germany won't have a Tracking number till they are State side.
Psycho's shipped from Germany yesterday as well.

Was wondering where they were. It's starting to look like my car will be in pieces for a while starting in a few weeks anyway.....:D: So I'm really not in a big hurry

shit im not gonna be home for that shipping date (going on a vacation) hmm hope no one takes them thanks for the update mark.

Too bad it's so far...I'm sure with the tracking info...someone will find them on your step :D:

I would phone and arrange alternate delivery ....

Yeah, I would delete the track link and PM those instead

good point mark please take that tracking number off this public forum

Damn..I had arranged for a midnight pickup :D: Just get them on the car already :)

I would not post tracking numbers here, I've been able to re-route packages in-transit just with a tracking number

Oh yeah, sweet suspension. I'm seriously considering these or the Tein Flex's with EDFC. If the top adjuster is the same, I don't see why you couldn't mount a complete EDFC kit on these. Of course the caliabration would be off.

Of course the caliabration would be off.Yeah so it would be worthless, think about it let say tien adjuster does one full 360deg rotation, these KWs do 3.5 360deg rotations. Beside that the adjuster isn't the same, hense why i had to buy my own motors and have my own programing table made, plus the kit i'm making will be a lot more practical than EDFC the component are going to end up costing between $50-100.00, its ridiculous they charge $360 for that.

^Yeah that's what I was thinking anyways. I just like the digital controller of the EDFC. If you wanted to go more high tech and depending on how electrically-innept you are, you could make a custom digital controller. Like a read out for each setting your changing, or even allow for micro adjustments. I would use two knobs and then do the same for the front so you can adjust both in the car as well.

I plan on using something similar to the volume knobs on stereos, They are going to be small enough that they can fit in sequence, in the mini change holder under the DSC OFF button and other buttons.

that sounds good. Getting the calibration right is key, of course.

I still like a digital readout or something. I guess I would make so it can fit in the ashtray and have numbers outside with switch position that are easy to read- so you can simply flick it to a pre-determined setting. Plus, then you could look at it in a glance and know you settings. Just an idea.

it really is cooler without the display, just some crazy knobs and switches that no one but the drivers knows does anything

You can glance at a fender guitar and know your at volume 10 because its pointing to "10" etc....

Problem with "digital potentiometers" is that they are bulky and expensive, and wouldn't look right in the interior the only substitue i found was this new zalman fan speed contoroller just imagine it saying Shock 1 instead of Fan 1.
http://www.zalman.co.kr/upload/product/zm_mfc2_s_p.jpg
Problem is again bulky and expensive.

bah gonna take the plunge and get em.

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put me down for the variant 3....... but it may take me a little bit to gather the cash... but it will be before the bulk buy is over

picked them up from UPS yesterday, they look sweeet cant wait to get them on.

got mine yesterday too. by the way, does anyone know what's that black rubber hose thing for?

I may be looking at the KW V3's in August.. Do you expect to still have these in late August?

wow such nice price and ive been looking for these... im curious too would you have these around july-august as well?

Is there any chance you could get similar GB pricing on other car models?

Has anyone on the forum been using these for a while and really pushing them? I'm curious how consistent the adjustments are when you go back and forth. I've talked to some SCCA and auto-x people that were telling me to look at Bilsteins both for consistency and availability of someone to rebuild them and rework the valves. No one seemed to be giving the Tein's or JIC's much love and from what I've seen on the forum that seems a reasonably strong position.

I guess my real question is how well do they hold up and how repeatable are their adjustments settings?

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I have no problem at all. Ford racing team uses them along with others.

got mine yesterday too. by the way, does anyone know what's that black rubber hose thing for?

Wrapping electrical wires... brake lines maybe, not really needed....

Is there any chance you could get similar GB pricing on other car models?

Yes there is a possibility let me know what you want/need via PM


I guess my real question is how well do they hold up and how repeatable are their adjustments settings?

I'll be installing the suspension today and dialing them in on sunday, I'll let you know what i find.

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I have no words.
Well actually I do, I finished the install around 2am last night, took her for a drive, and i can't express to you all how happy i am with my purchase. For now I've set the bump and rebound to KW recommendations; turn in, overall grip, and responsiveness is all up from stock by a very noticeable amount.

This is still without any alignment done, won't be able to dial it in since i couldn't make it to the alignment shop yesterday, and its raining anyway, but the initial impressions are way worth the $. The best part of this all is as I was told the ride quality/comfort, on at least KW recommended settings is as good as OE. Perhaps a little better, but defiantly no worse.

Install is a little tricky, I'll post up a DIY, those who have PM'd me to do the install for you I am willing, however after the amount of blood sweat and tears it took i want those sway bars.

Ride height is roughly even around the car, won't know till i get a precise alignment, rear ride height is easy to adjust, fronts are a little tricky. Compression adjusters are easy to get to on both the fronts and rears.
Rebound in the rear will need tokico adjustment cables and a set screw coupler.

nice mark glad to hear they are in...so where does one get tokico adjustment cables and a set screw coupler? (part #s?)

http://www.allelectronics.com/cgi-bin/item/SMT-89/400600/2-PHASE_1.8_DEGREE_STEPPER_MOTOR_(USED)_.html

Just buy yourself this used motor, it comes with the coupler and is cheaper than if you were to go out and source a coupler alone. When i get the programing figured out on the motors, i believe that this motor will be sufficient to turn the rebound adjustment knob so you can knock out to birds with one stone.

Heres some shots of ride height, excuse the lack of front bumper, I'm prepping and repainting it, in my newly built paint booth.

So are you in New Jersey or are you in Orleans?

I just got my tax refund...I might be getting these. Mmmm. Will let you know when I'm ready Polak.

Just to let you guys know, I work for Ruf Autocentre necause I am friends with the owner's son. He drives an RGT 997 and he uses the variant 3s. Now I am compelled to buy these....if I only had the money! and yes, I know, these are amazing prices.

Razz1, That spoiler is sweet...How much down force does it add??


wtf....down force doesnt really do much until u get into the higher speed....ricers make me sick to my stomach:puke: haha

right... not the place buddy.
Avital I placed your order today sorry for the delay had an eventful weekend/week.

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Mark(polak) and i spent the day installing my coilovers yesterday and echoing his sentiment after install they were absolutely wonderful, body roll reduced to near zero, cornering crisp and very precise, and ride quality was excellent (similar to stock, on the manufacturer settings for the coilovers.) and all this before alignment and balancing. Only minor issues including a knocking occasional sound at low speed possibly due to the low ride height (being corrected today). Altogether very happy with my purchase.

Got your voicemail feras glad they are exceeding your expectations.
Heres a couple shots of my car with everything on and set:
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My finger is doing better.

that knocking sound btw was both sides of the front sway bar being loose lol

Polak it looks high.

What is th eheight of the front lip off the ground.

Mine is slammed real low.

polak and i have ours set at 26" when we installed yesterday my front was less than 25 1/4 and that was really slammed.

is there an expiration date for this GB?

i first have to see if I can get a winter beater before carrying out my evil plans since I don't think i can really sacrifice any ride height in the winter :puke:

is there an expiration date for this GB?

i first have to see if I can get a winter beater before carrying out my evil plans since I don't think i can really sacrifice any ride height in the winter :puke:

Not planning on ending it anytime soon, but just an FYI you could raise the car higher than stock for the winter....

Not planning on ending it anytime soon, but just an FYI you could raise the car higher than stock for the winter....

:) I have trieed jacking the car up, because the Mazdaspeed bumper is so much lower. (only gained about an inch.) :(

Decided to swap the front bumper to stock before winter instead. :dunno: Works well for me.

If you do decide to change the ride height keep in mind that allignment will be needed because changing the height affects camber. ;)

Not planning on ending it anytime soon, but just an FYI you could raise the car higher than stock for the winter....

are you sure? They list the drop from .8-2" ??

Actually I doubt i'd go lower then stock right now even if winter wasn't a problem because I already have to drive up on boards in order to get a florrjack under my car because of the MS sideskirts. :banghead:

...I already have to drive up on boards in order to get a florrjack under my car because of the MS sideskirts. :banghead:

I know EXACTLY what you mean!!! I have to do the same thing to get a jack under my car, and the jack is to raise it up even higher so that I can get the lift arms under it. Anyway, I'd love to have coilovers but I have to make damn sure that it doesn't lower my car any because with the MS kit I already have trouble with driveways and speedbumps around here.

get yourselfs a racking jack from pepboys/autozone 3.25''-17'' for mine eliminates the floor jack issue.

Have the alignment shop put a mark on the camber bolts for 2 different ride height so you can set it if you raise it for the winter drop it for the summer, your alignment will be fucked after 6 months anyway.

ill second that on the racing jack mark, mine (same as yours) fits perfectly underneath..

jackson ill bring the jack with me to the dragon so you can see if ya like.

Quick noob question. I've only installed one set of coilovers before, some Teins on my friend's eclipse. All we had to do was remove the entire assembly, including mounts, and replace it with the tein unit. Is the setup as easy or do we reuse the stock mounts?

Quick noob question. I've only installed one set of coilovers before, some Teins on my friend's eclipse. All we had to do was remove the entire assembly, including mounts, and replace it with the tein unit. Is the setup as easy or do we reuse the stock mounts?

Stockers are re-used. Therefore you will need to have a spring compressor handy; an impact gun makes the process significantly easier aswell.

Then again, you could just buy new OEM top hats and bushings, install them on the KW's then no disassembly of the stock coilover is needed.

Its not very cost effective to re-buy the stock top-mounts they are 150 or so per pair I think... you should contact SpeedSource if you want spherical bearing top mounts instead of rubber, they install the bearing into the stock steal mounts and replace the rubber, and are about 225 per pair.

That's disappointing. I was hoping for the price that they'd be better than Teins in every way. So if I get these I'll have to get them installed because I don't have the tools nor the know how. hmm...

^^ you actually don't need to worry about a compressor if you have done spring installs before. The pre-load isn't that high

I seriously am thinking of a set of these, but I seriously do not want to have to pay someone to install them. I'm assuming the tricky part about replacing the mount is that you don't want the spring to pop up into your eye. Now I'm sure you're right that putting the mount on the coilover won't require that much force, but what about taking it off the stock assembly?

Also Polak, did anything happen with that remote adjuster you were tinkering with a few pages back?

I seriously am thinking of a set of these, but I seriously do not want to have to pay someone to install them. I'm assuming the tricky part about replacing the mount is that you don't want the spring to pop up into your eye. Now I'm sure you're right that putting the mount on the coilover won't require that much force, but what about taking it off the stock assembly?

Also Polak, did anything happen with that remote adjuster you were tinkering with a few pages back?

Dannobre is correct about putting the top mount on to the coilover, but removing it from the stock assembly will definitely require a spring compressor. I know this from when Mark (Polak) and I went about installing his KW's. We had to crank down on the spring compressor pretty hard with an impact gun to release the preload on the spring.

Here's a shot of mine.

Are these available with pillow ball mounts? I'm going to try to purchase an RX8 today, if I do, I might be on board for these :)

Finally got mine in today, took almost 2 months, look great. Just wanted to forewarn anyone that it will take a while to get them.

Finally got mine in today, took almost 2 months, look great. Just wanted to forewarn anyone that it will take a while to get them.


What ended up being the issue with delivery, was it a mistake on their side or just simply noting in stock for the rx-8 even in Germany?

What ended up being the issue with delivery, was it a mistake on their side or just simply noting in stock for the rx-8 even in Germany?

Sounds like they were just dragging ass and hadn't even put in the order to build them till about 2 weeks ago.

Hey PoLaK, how much would shipping be to Canada R3P1T2?

Thanks

Shipping is the same price to international destinations.

It's worth the wait. I wish I saved that much money. But at least I was the first to get them in the States!

how would these compare to Top Secret Coilovers?

Top Secret have their coilovers made by Aragosta, they'd likely be better but MUCH MUCH more expensive - you could probably get Quantum or Penske's made up for the price (which could be easier to get serviced depending on your location Penske in USA, Quantum in UK). I found it hard getting any useful info out of TS, they just regurgitate what is already on the site - despite detailed questions.

I'd love a set of these KWs, but.. no supra fitment, and I want to adjust ride height without changing spring pre-load/shock travel (it doesn't look like these can do that)

Does anyone in California have these installed? I'm thinking about them but I'd really like to see them in person first.

I'm just debating if they are too stiff for the roads here.

Basically the foundation of our entire city is clay, so LOTS of movement = there is no such thing as a smooth road here. Combined with -50F winters and +100F summers and when snow/ice melts then refreezes because of the late winter/early spring variations around melting/freezing point = roads are damaged to shit.

My cousin has an S2000 with Buddy clubs which are 10kg/10kg not a horrible ride, it's tolerable. Much better than the Ksports on my sentra which were 8kg/7kg, that was unbearable, and the rear lost contact with the ground too much. My friend has an EG civic with 12kg/10kg that's pretty stiff.

Hmm...

Do they also come preset from the factory to what they think is the best for the car?

spring rates aren't the only factor you should be looking at, you can have two identically sprung coilovers, but if one set was a ton cheaper you can bet the money is on it having much shittier valving and will be a lot less comfortable to ride on.

New Orleans is also built entirely on clay (and water) and the roads are well horrendous, but I'm just going to raise the ride height up a bit for the high driveways/crubs and I think i'll be just fine.

And yes its what they think is the best balanced combination for the car, but they do not specify what ride height they tuned for nor if they are accounting for any other modifications (i.e. sway bars), that said i still use their recommendations for a baseline on autocross days.

PoLaK, so how do the KWs ride for you? I'm thinking I Should buy them, try them out, and if they don't work well, at least I can hopefully sell them right?

I have no issues with comfort, like i said as comfortable as stock on everything but the sudden random depressions in the road (i.e. deep manhole covers) I think Feras will agree how bout the rest of you?

I'm counting the pennies...

PoLaK I love your rims :| So sexy...the 9.5s fit without rubbing issues?

yes just go with a offset +42 or greater, i had to roll the rear fender inner lip because i went with +38s.

I'm counting the pennies too

Crap...I did some measurements today, and it looks like if I drop them on KWs my jack won't fit under the car, and I don't really want to drive it up on wood, personal bad experience.

Maybe I'll start simple, Konis, if it's not good enough RB springs, then if that's not good enough, KW Variants, I'm sure the Konis and RBs would be easier to sell than the KWs and a lower profile jack. I wouldn't of noticed if I didn't rotate my tires for the local autox (which btw, the lot we use is so uneven it upsets the car on stock suspension :|)

I hate the city I live in, seriously, I want to buy nice things for my car, but I can't because of where I live :(

I used the recommended specs also but found that the ride comfort was almost exactly the same when i had just stock suspension but upgraded Racing Beat Sway bars and endlinks.

I haven't adjusted the ride height since i've been out of town but the roads here in vegas are really nice so i'll probably be dropping it 1/2" more and making the bump a bit stiffer.

*Warning to those who do or dont have upgraded swaybars*

With the upgraded RB endlinks you have the mount the Front coilovers with the oil reservoirs facing towards the front of the car but this leaves only about an 1" of clearece from the top of the resvoiver and the upper A Arm which makes me nervous. Other members say that the new version of the coilovers dont the have the resevoir so this might not be a problem.

In the end i might not lower it at all and just adjust the bump enough to be sure that they wont clank into each other.

Add me to the List Polak. I'm getting some KWs!

So, how are they on the track?

So, how are they on the track?

molto bene i love em

check your pm polak, thanks

PM'ed!

Is this GB still going on?! i got a buddy who gets stuff at distributer cost and he can't beat this price. How soon can i get em if i buy now? are they in stock? Also a little unclear, what is the price shipped to wash DC.

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I'm wondering who was the last one to have contact with Polak about this Group Buy, I WANT I WANT, but i want soon.???

Thanks:Eyecrazy:

I wish I bought at these prices.

Sorry I haven't been too on top of this been busy with life, just got off the phone with my contact at KW, everything is still good to go, the only thing that he cautions is all the kits will be shipping from Germany which can take between 2.5-3 weeks and often tracking info is unavailable.

Whoever is still interested pop me a PM or an email and I'll tell you where to send the money.

Oh MANNN!!!!

Just about 2 days too late, just spent 1900 for them, got tracking, to arrive in 2 weeks... YAY!!!!!!

PoLaK, you still doing this group buy? I'm interested in the V3's.

Yeah Mazurfer i just posted i was 2 days ago, check ur PMs.

any details for the pillow mounts?

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any details for the pillow mounts?

Just called them "in development, but don't expect em anytime soon"

Any idea when this GB will end? I'm thinking coilovers for Christmas...

^Good idea.

Really its indefinite/when i don't want to run it anymore which won't happen unless i get bugged about shipping times or nagged when it takes a while for them to get to you from Germany; doing this out of the goodness of my heart so i don't wanna hear about it :-p

=)

Thanks Polak

Really its indefinite/when i don't want to run it anymore which won't happen unless i get bugged about shipping times or nagged when it takes a while for them to get to you from Germany; doing this out of the goodness of my heart so i don't wanna hear about it :-p

We love you Polak.

hugs and kisses buddy hugs and kisses

I can offer you pillowball mounts using converted OE shock mounts just like they run in GrandAm, Koni Challenge, etc. I use higher quality monoballs than what everyone else sells.

I'd just need to know some of the shaft dimensions.

^Sounds expensive.
Polak , I'll be picking up a KW set soon!

they aren't cheap. but they're less than the other guys and better quality

heh.... I'll send you my shaft dimensions, but usually i charge for this sort of thing :rolleyes:

Send me a PM letting me know exactly what you need.

Just wondering if anyone else has these installed besides polak and feras and at what height? had any issues with clearance? Rather sure I saw feras say that him and polak have it set to 26". No worries for winter here in texas, but just wondering with speedbumps and such. Definitely considering these for christmas...

team is offering to use monoballs for his mounts...

polak is gonna give team the dimensions of his shaft...

whats really going on here?! heh

What's the travel like for these coilovers?

For those of you that allready own these, have you been satisfied with your purchase?? I'm thinking about getting these, or the bilstein PSS9s.

Just sent the check off today!

Coilovers arrived today! cant wait to unwrap! Pictures to follow later...

Is the group buy still going on? If so I may be interested in some V3's.

Coilovers arrived today! cant wait to unwrap! Pictures to follow later...

Pics...pics....pics........I want these and haven't pulled the trigger just yet. How long did it take to get them?

Pics...pics....pics........I want these and haven't pulled the trigger just yet. How long did it take to get them?

AHHH....why am i at work....wish i was home unwrapping! It probably took about a month and a half for everything to go through from the time i mailed to check to PolaK to the moment they arrived at the door. PolaK had to wait for my check to clear before he sent the $$ to Germany...who then had to wait as well.

any updates now that you arent at work :)?

Started the install last night and only got on the two front coilovers on....mazda front suspension is pretty interesting...started at 8pm last night and after adjustments and joy rides, it was 2am... although the front is still really low, i have yet to scrap. The rears will have to wait until Saturday...=/

Overall impressions, since the ride is really low at this point, the preload on the springs arent that high. I will be raising it before i take it in for an alignment. The ride comfort feels close to OEM but you can feel the imperfections of the road a bit more (esp when the chuck holes come). The car seems a bit more responsive and there is the increased ability to throttle steer. During the joy ride last night, I felt that the car was understeering a bit, but this was probably due to having the OEM suspension in the rears. :squint:

Pretty impressed with the coilover and glad to see that it rides fair nicely as this is a daily driver for me.

Pictures to follow.:rock:

quite ridiculous...

Any updates?

Hey polak did you ever come up with a way to make these adjustable from inside the car?

Polak you have a PM :O

Any updates?
Im been really busy at work for the last couple of weeks, but i still managed to get the two back coilovers on. Now i am in mississippi for work while my poor car is just sitting there....It's also been raining so no opportunities to take any pictures. The install went pretty well, but I hope I adjusted the rear coilovers appropriately bc once they are tucked in, there seems to be no way to adjust the rebound without ripping the coilover off again.

The overall ride quality is good and still very close to OEM. It still handles most of the bumps well, but there is that increased sensitivity to dramatic surface/elevation changes (i.e. pot holes). The car also feels more predictable and stable during cornering; turn in appears to be more precise. The car can enter the turn with more confidence. When traveling on the highways, if there are surface undulations, the car can be a little jarring, but that's with any set of coilovers. I am glad that I have a lotta padding in my seats! Also in the rain on the highway, the car tends to be more affected by puddle-steer.

On a side note, I was also very surprised the that car hasnt bottomed out yet. There have been a few close calls where i scrap a little of the front bumper black plastic, but that's only from underneath. I enter entrance ramps at a slow speed, and I still tend to avoid scraping. What I am most surprised about is that the center of the car has cleared everything I've thrown at it. Given the long wheelbase, I thought that would be the first thing to hit.. but i was wrong. Although Texas is quote flat...

Overall great purchase and value; Id recommend it for any person who uses the car for daily and the occasional sprited/track/touge driving...
:FIREdevil

Decided to throw my 2 cents in since i've had these for about 6 months now. Like taka i have yet to bottom out with only 1" of clearance between the front wheel and the front fender ~2" in rear and 5" from pavement to the frame in the front and 6.5" in rear. I used the recommended settings with the intention of making it a bit stiffer since the roads here in vegas are very smooth. After a few months the ride is plenty stiff for DD and whenever i want to have a bit of fun, coupled with RB swaybars, its quite thrilling in the corners having nearly ZERO body roll and great corning characteristics.

The only downside that i can think of is when i first installed them the oversteer seem to increase quite a bit, no biggy just took a while getting used to. Now its much easier to throttle steer like taka said.

Def worth the money!