This is in the lounge forum...so I can speak my mind, mods.
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Why are the mods so picky with threads....I understand if certain things are in the wrong forums and need to be moved.

But things such as this:
LINK (http://rx8forum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10752)

are just annoying!

Look, if its related to the rx8, why the fuck can't it be discussed?

Stop moving shit around so much!!! Let the forums flow. I look in the RX8 Discussion forum and half the page is saying "MOVED" infront of every thread. And I know some of these need to be moved...but most don't.

I'm no newbie to forums, (except this one :D ), so I have a general understanding on whats acceptable and whats not.

And IMO, most mods here are clueless to that.

anyone agree? ..i doubt it. :)

the mods are like cops

Originally posted by mikeb
the mods are like cops specifically So Cal cops.

I dont like it when a new guy asks how many colors does the 8 come in.

mod--- already discussed CLOSED

might as well say youre an idiot

exactly! whats up with that "already discussed shit"

PEOPLE DON'T BROWSE THE BOARDS 24/7

ever think that they might miss a topic?

damn......

but things like "whats colors does the 8 come in"

...let that shit be, so we can flame that guy :D

The one thing I've never understood is the posts they move to the lounge and the ones the leave in the general area. There doesn't seem to be any pattern and stupid posts about someone trading in a 350Z for an RX-8 will stay there for weeks with tons of flaming going back and forth while others that seem to be more about the RX-8 will get sent to the lounge.

I do see why that thread you posted was locked, there really was no point to it... For some reason the mods here freak out when you post a link to another car site when they are discussing the RX-8. Most other car sites welcome it when you do so, I know I'm curious to hear what other car owners say about the WRX whether it be good, bad, misinformed, whatever...

Ike

Originally posted by IkeWRX
The one thing I've never understood is the posts they move to the lounge and the ones the leave in the general area. There doesn't seem to be any pattern and stupid posts about someone trading in a 350Z for an RX-8 will stay there for weeks with tons of flaming going back and forth while others that seem to be more about the RX-8 will get sent to the lounge.

I do see why that thread you posted was locked, there really was no point to it... For some reason the mods here freak out when you post a link to another car site when they are discussing the RX-8. Most other car sites welcome it when you do so, I know I'm curious to hear what other car owners say about the WRX whether it be good, bad, misinformed, whatever...

Ike

You want to here what folks say about subaru? So I must state the obvious: There are forums for wrx owners! Go there!! Or, go to a mitsu site, they probably have more to say. Of course, they probably do not care for trolls like yourself any more then we do.

the mods here are like nazis. and plus the rx8forum is probably the most uptight car forum on the internet. people here seriously need to loosen up.

or when someone asks how much are strakes

mod----search



why not just say around 200

Originally posted by IkeWRX
IFor some reason the mods here freak out when you post a link to another car site when they are discussing the RX-8. Most other car sites welcome it when you do so, I know I'm curious to hear what other car owners say about the WRX whether it be good, bad, misinformed, whatever...

Ike

it's called respect Ike we don't like it when someone from another forum comes here to start a flame war and the owners and mods of the other forums don't like it when people go to theirs to do the same thing either. when someone posts here "hey look what the people on this other forum are saying about our car" it is usually done in the manner of "now lets go over there and flame those guys!". if you want to correct some misinformation about the rx-8 or just argue about it with people on another forum do so on your(not you specifically here ike) own, just don't come here and try to start a forum vs. forum flame fest. it doesn't serve any purpose other than to clutter up both forums with ridiculous garbage and so a few people can get their jollies watching others do their flaming for them because they are too chicken s**t to do it on their own.

if it was just "check out this other forum it's pretty cool" there would be no problem, it's the trying to incite flames between forums that is the problem.

Originally posted by TuPaK
This is in the lounge forum...so I can speak my mind, mods.
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I'm no newbie to forums, (except this one :D ), so I have a general understanding on whats acceptable and whats not.

And IMO, most mods here are clueless to that.

anyone agree? ..i doubt it. :)

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Perhaps you're familiar with other forums- but you're obviously not with this one. We do what we're told by the admin. THEY determine what's acceptable and what's not-NOT the forum members. And if you don't like that something got moved, POST IT IN THE RIGHT FORUM THE FIRST TIME. And if you don't like the way we handle stuff, talk to the admin, since we're following their orders.

How, exactly, did the thread you referenced serve any purpose other than to start a flame war? The minute one of the forum members there noticed that people over here were making comments about their posts, they'd be here to start crap. How, exactly, is that a productive discussion? And you're pissed because it got closed?

And you know what? It might be the most up-tight forum you've been to, whatever the hell that means- but there are a hell of a lot fewer flame wars and trolls than on other forums. And if you don't realize that, you obviously haven't been on as many internet forums as you say you have. Even the wedding forums I spent a couple years on were full of trolls and nastiness.

And in case you haven't noticed- no one forced you to come here. If you really hate it so much, go somewhere else. This is already a really thankless job- and if we weren't doing it, you'd all bitch, but when we do it the best we can, you also bitch. So basically, it's a lose-lose situation for us. It's not like we're getting paid- so basically, we're volunteering our time to get abused by jerks like you. Quit the childish whining.

Close this thread, it has been discussed before... :)

exactly! whats up with that "already discussed shit"

Whats up, is this forum costs money to run, money that its members don't pay, this forum is out of an enthusiasts generosity. You don't realize the amount of B/W and Money required to run a site like this. The more treads there are the slower the database will be, then you will complain that we need more servers etc.
And also there is a SEARCH button for a reason.


the mods here are like nazis. and plus the rx8forum is probably the most uptight car forum on the internet. people here seriously need to loosen up.

Hey if you don't like it I implore you to leave, I personally think this is the most mature forum on the net, and I don't want it to turn into a freshalloy.com etc.

Originally posted by PoLaK


Whats up, is this forum costs money to run, money that its members don't pay, this forum is out of an enthusiasts generosity. You don't realize the amount of B/W and Money required to run a site like this. The more treads there are the slower the database will be, then you will complain that we need more servers etc.
And also there is a SEARCH button for a reason.




Hey if you don't like it I implore you to leave, I personally think this is the most mature forum on the net, and I don't want it to turn into a freshalloy.com etc.

Well said, but I fear your message is on deaf ears. May I suggest banning certain people after ,say, Three warnings?

I'm still somewhat a newbie. Until I'ma senior, I don't feel I've grasped everything about the site. But, I don't see any problem w/it so far. Granted, sometimes people 'smack' you for posting your opinion, but that's what it's all about. If the Mods want to close or move something, why should I care. They are doing it for a reason. If I want to continue w/the topic, I'll just pm or email the person I'm having the debate with instead of clogging up the system. Until the powers that be want money to be a part of the system, (don't even think it admin :D ), then I'm not complaining bout it.
My 2c

I think the mods do a great job. Perhaps they can even be a bit more aggressive. They provide a valuable service by donating their time and working to keep this a pleasant and informative place to gather.

There is all ready too much anarchy, too many trolls, too many people not following directions. Without the mods intervention, this site would be unusable. How would you handle a post that says "heydawg,.....watzup....wit ta hrsppoer sht? wrxrulz mafa!"

A couple of points/questions...

1) How do I tell which topics go into the Discussion and the Lounge? I don't care if the stuff I post gets moved, there is a large enough audiance in both sections, but I rather get it right the first time so that no one needs to bother moving it in the first place. It seems that many times it is confusing which section things should be posted too. Usually forum lounges are where anything totally unrelated goes, but It's not the case here. Please point me in the right direction here.

2) The quality of this forum is degrading fast. It is unfortunate, but true. Nothing good can last and all that... When I joined a couple months ago this forum was unbeleivable, no flame wars, no trolls, it was excellent. Now that the car is out, it is getting more attention and it is going to attract more people to this forum. With these new people iherently come the trolls, whiners, elitists, and others who post the mounds of worthless words that I have to wade through to get to any decent information now.

3) Perhaps there is a way to move hijacked threads to another section that is dedicated to flame wars and such. It would mean more work for the mods most likely but it would keep everything cleaner hopefully.

4) Mods and Admin.... Thanks for keeping this thing going. Even with all the worthless posts there is still a HUGE wealth of informaiton here. Your work really is appreciated even if it is not stated.

Thanks,

JiM

I don't think a flame or kills section would be a good idea at all. This was actually discussed quite some time ago, when I first joined the forum, and the consensus then was to keep out those sections at all costs.

Allowing a flame or kills section is applicable to the slippery slope argument, meaning: once you begin allowing flaming and kills it's hard to draw the line as it will begin in other threads and sections. Before we know it, this forum will be like many others on the net.

Thanks to the mods and admins also...

I think the mods do an excellent job on this site. The number of sections are just about right and the moderators do a commendable job in making sure the posts go to the proper forum. If you check the forum daily, I suggest using the "View New Posts" feature as that searches all sections.

You know all the anti-spam tools out there??
Well, there should be an anti-flame-bait-garbage filter that we could use here. Its impossible to go search for a relevant topic and answer without browsing through 20 pages of: "I can piss farther than you," " Ha!, but I can piss for a longer time...see it took me 13 minutes to p..s"

If only legit info could be kept separate from garbage...

Originally posted by j1mb0x99
A couple of points/questions...

1) How do I tell which topics go into the Discussion and the Lounge? I don't care if the stuff I post gets moved, there is a large enough audiance in both sections, but I rather get it right the first time so that no one needs to bother moving it in the first place. It seems that many times it is confusing which section things should be posted too. Usually forum lounges are where anything totally unrelated goes, but It's not the case here. Please point me in the right direction here.

2) The quality of this forum is degrading fast. It is unfortunate, but true. Nothing good can last and all that... When I joined a couple months ago this forum was unbeleivable, no flame wars, no trolls, it was excellent. Now that the car is out, it is getting more attention and it is going to attract more people to this forum. With these new people iherently come the trolls, whiners, elitists, and others who post the mounds of worthless words that I have to wade through to get to any decent information now.

3) Perhaps there is a way to move hijacked threads to another section that is dedicated to flame wars and such. It would mean more work for the mods most likely but it would keep everything cleaner hopefully.

4) Mods and Admin.... Thanks for keeping this thing going. Even with all the worthless posts there is still a HUGE wealth of informaiton here. Your work really is appreciated even if it is not stated.

Thanks,

JiM


1.) I agree I can't figure out what the reasoning behind moving some threads and not others, the 350Z traded in for RX-8 thread is a perfect example. If the post were the other way around it would have been locked or moved to the lounge long ago. That thread is nothing but a flame war yet it still exists.

2.) I'm just here because I like talking about cars and I signed up in the first place because of my curiosity in the car, long before any of the drama. I think the circumstances surrounding the 8 have made it the talk of the import world and that will bring a lot of trolls, and also make a lot of RX-8 owners very defensive.

3.) I think that's a good idea, just make it a garbage bin though, if posts turn into flame wars move them down there and then people that don't want to hear it can easily avoid seeing it in the more popular sections. Don't make it a place to go flame people or post kill stories, just make it an area for previously existing posts to be moved to.

4.) With everything surrounding the RX-8 now this forum is not easy to moderate, I am a mod on other boards and it's simple as pie, I'm sure that is not the case here, but it'll get easier once the newness and drama fades away.

Ike


P.S. I'm all for closing threads that don't seem to have a point or are clear reposts, it seems we can use all the bandwidth we can get.

Hmmm...this thread could start a flame war. Better close it.
http://www.rx8forum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2304

A. because it was not an inticement to go to the other forum and start an arguement.

B. because while it lasted it was quite level headed and sans flames as far as the discussions, apart from pooman's laughter.

c. because it had died on it's own until revived this morning, and as of yet is still not flame bait.

Originally posted by PoLaK


Whats up, is this forum costs money to run, money that its members don't pay, this forum is out of an enthusiasts generosity.I'd be the first in line to pay around 10 bucks to keep the forums up. Whats the paypal addy? :)

Originally posted by TuPaK
I'd be the first in line to pay around 10 bucks to keep the forums up. Whats the paypal addy? :) A bunch of us donated through PayPal earlier this year. According to the red announcement at the top of each forum, new hardware has been purchased and was due to have been rolled out by now. I don't know what the holdup is, or the revised ETA - perhaps you might ask in the Suggestions forum.

Originally posted by mikeb
or when someone asks how much are strakes

mod----search



why not just say around 200
1. Because pimping you to use the search feature to find info helps new members and guests. When they use the search button, they find their info, rather than pulling up 80 threads that may or may not be actually discussing the same topic.
2. It also reduces inconsistencies in the info being posted. If you found 4 threads discussing the price of strakes, and there were 2 different prices listed among them, you'd still be confused.
3. Also, it's a LOT easier to read one thread about a topic, rather than having to find and read 8 threads discussing that topic.

The mods here do a good job I think, but I wouldn't mind for them to be even more aggressive in closing and moving threads. The RX-8 isn't a car for 16 year old kids, so I don't want this to be a forum for 16 year old kids either.

The Garbage Bin is a good idea. I also have some other ideas to keep the 'crap' post level down. Like some custom code that would allow Mods/Admins to flag a post that is really bad ... or one that is really good. And then it affects your user rating. Maybe even turns extra forum features off if your rating gets to low. Say you couldn't have an avatar or signature anymore because your rating is low. That would nip things in the bud :D

About the hardware upgrade, Dell should be shipping the servers out to our ISP today in fact. Which means by the end of next week they should be online. Then a couple days to get stuff transferred, and maybe around the 23rd or 24th the site will be on our new screaming setup. I should probably update the Announcement with that info.

PayPal for donations is ryan@rx7club.com

Seems to me the admins show a world of patience with some of the trolls on these boards. That isn't meant as a criticism, because I don't know that I *could* be that patient.

I know moderating forums like these is a thankless task, and no matter what you do someone will like/hate your actions. That said, thanks for taking the time and effort to do what you do guys. Whether you do a good job or not (and I think you do a good job), you deserve a pat on the back for donating your time to it.

Originally posted by BOOSTD 7
The mods here do a good job I think, but I wouldn't mind for them to be even more aggressive in closing and moving threads.

Kudos to you and the mods for the work you do here! I know it's not an easy job being a moderator (I'm a moderator at Miataforum.com, which (I have to say) beats this site for maturity level and minimalness of crap! ;) ).

BUT - could you please address the question about the difference between RX-8 Discussion and Lounge? Several people have raised this question in this thread, and there is genuine (and, imho, legitimate) confusion about what is supposed to be posted or not posted in each forum. Lots of (what appear to be) RX-8 discussion threads get moved to Lounge, and we don't understand the reasoning. If you tell us what is supposed to go where, then a lot less moving of threads will be required!

Regards,
Gordon

BUT - could you please address the question about the difference between RX-8 Discussion and Lounge?

The Rx-8 Discussion is literally what is says....... discussion pertaining to the car itself, meaning don't discus things such as your playstaion etc. in there. If let say a video game has the rx-8 in it that should be placed in the lounge, along with anything else not pertaining to the car.

Originally posted by PoLaK


The Rx-8 Discussion is literally what is says....... discussion pertaining to the car itself, meaning don't discus things such as your playstaion etc. in there. If let say a video game has the rx-8 in it that should be placed in the lounge, along with anything else not pertaining to the car.

And if it fits into another forum, like the Tech Garage or Aftermarket Performance, don't put it in Discussions.

If it will help, I'll start putting notes in threads I move, and why I'm moving them. I usually try to put links in the "already been discussed" threads before I close them, but sometimes it takes me longer to look them up and copy and paste them into a message than I have time to devote to the job.

Originally posted by PoLaK


The Rx-8 Discussion is literally what is says....... discussion pertaining to the car itself, meaning don't discus things such as your playstaion etc. in there. If let say a video game has the rx-8 in it that should be placed in the lounge, along with anything else not pertaining to the car.


I think we all understand that, but there are posts regularly moved to the lounge that do pertain to the RX-8:confused:

I think we all understand that, but there are posts regularly moved to the lounge that do pertain to the RX-8

Example?

All from the last 4 or 5 days

http://www.rx8forum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10751
http://www.rx8forum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10721
http://www.rx8forum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10627
http://www.rx8forum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10626
http://www.rx8forum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10623
http://www.rx8forum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10585
http://www.rx8forum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10605
http://www.rx8forum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10603
http://www.rx8forum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10600
http://www.rx8forum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10575
http://www.rx8forum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10556
http://www.rx8forum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10551
http://www.rx8forum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10531
http://www.rx8forum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10532
http://www.rx8forum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10284


These are all posts that on most car forums would be left in the general areas, they may not be hardnosed questions but they do in one way or another talk about the RX-8, it's stuff like this that is most commonly found in the general discussion areas I've seen. The stuff that's usually in the lounge is totally off topic and really doesn't have anything to do with the car the site is about. I can see why some of those were moved to the dealership area, but at the same time seem the person asking the question would have received better info had it been left in the General areas since the dealership area really seems to be more for financing and ordering type stuff. I don't exactly have a big problem with it, I think some of us are just confused since general areas are usually for general chit chat about the car, and the lounge is usually general chit chat for everything else.


Ike

Hummm maybe I should rephrase everything in discussion is more DIRECTLY pertaining to the car, and I would also say more towards the technical aspects/problems of the car.

Though I do see what your saying there's usually a method to the madness.

Ike, how does

1)waiting on hold at Mazda
2)a radio controlled car
3)repurchase questions
4)a Mazdaspeed question
5)United Postal Service/Mazda mailing question
6)a whining repost of someone's problems stated 6 billion times already
7)another we finally bought an 8 post
8)same as above
9)Dealership servicing question
10)a media post
11)another media post
12)a post about how long you can keep it if you're turning it in because you want to buy an Acura TL instead
13)do you like the supra better
14)another media post
15)comments from strangers who notice the car

have to do with the actual car? None of those pertain to the actual car. They don't discuss driving the car, they don't discuss the interior of the car, and they don't discuss anything specifically 8 related. And this is NOT other car forums you've been on. If you don't like it, go elsewhere.

Originally posted by Elara
Ike, how does

7)another we finally bought an 8 post


have to do with the actual car? ..... .........uh. And how does that not have to do with the actual car?

Somebody buy's an 8, makes a big investment. Comes to rx8forum and posts it in the rx8 discussion board to get a heads up and it gets moved to lounge.

Pardon me, but I don't see any logic in that.

Originally posted by Elara
Ike, how does

1)waiting on hold at Mazda
2)a radio controlled car
3)repurchase questions
4)a Mazdaspeed question
5)United Postal Service/Mazda mailing question
6)a whining repost of someone's problems stated 6 billion times already
7)another we finally bought an 8 post
8)same as above
9)Dealership servicing question
10)a media post
11)another media post
12)a post about how long you can keep it if you're turning it in because you want to buy an Acura TL instead
13)do you like the supra better
14)another media post
15)comments from strangers who notice the car

have to do with the actual car? None of those pertain to the actual car. They don't discuss driving the car, they don't discuss the interior of the car, and they don't discuss anything specifically 8 related. And this is NOT other car forums you've been on. If you don't like it, go elsewhere.


Maybe to you don't agree but these are the types of posts that the General areas are made for on most car sites. They discuss the RX-8 but don't really fit into another category more specificly. The lounge is usually reserved for completely off topic discussion. I'm not saying it's wrong, just saying it's different from what many of us are used to which is why we're confused... And the aggressive tone of your post is really not needed, I'm not attacking you nor the site, yet you feel the need to act like so many of the other overly defensive people on this site.


Ike

Come on guys, this isn't that big of a deal. Most of you guys check the forum a few times a day so the "View New Posts" feature should capture both sections. Alternatively, there are not that many sections so searching each one by one is not bad.

If you think this is bad, try evolutionm.net (a great forum except for this). They have a ton of sections and its for Lancers and EVOs. Many times EVO threads get moved to mixed sections. You literally have check the forum every few hours if you want to use the "View New Posts" feature.