A classic from this section, but surprisingly not posted before today :hahano: :

http://media.ford.com/mazda/article_display.cfm?article_id=25154

9343 RX8´s sold in USA last year
552 of them in December

Let us see who is the first to say "it will be discontinued" :Freak_ani

I personally think sales are not that bad, provided the lack of marketing behind this car and the real tech-performance updates since the release in mid 2003 (none).

Is Mazda just "idling" till may 2007 to unlease a new RX8 with a Renesis DI to celebrate the 40th aniversary of the Cosmo 110s? Call me Mr. wish if you want.

Let the debate about sales begin!!! :ylsuper:

Cheers

jird20

Nah, I'm finished debating. Just compare sales with direct competitors.

i long for a DI renesis and when it comes out, i hope i have this 8 paid off so i can trade it in and get the DI MSP!

releasing a DI for the 40th anniversary sounds like a great idea....but 40 years in america is 2010, 2007 is 40 yrs in japan so releasing a 40 anniversary over here until then makes not as much sense.......


i dont care how little rx8s they sell, in 4 yrs when mines paid off ill be back to get another rx8.

Let us see who is the first to say "it will be discontinued"

it will be discontinue.

Ha....... didn't say when!

The important question is, would you have a Z4M instead of an RX8?

I wouldn't. Stylewise, that's like paying extra for a front wheel arch delete on an RX8.

Why is it so heavy for a car that size?

The important question is, would you have a Z4M instead of an RX8?

I wouldn't. Stylewise, that's like paying extra for a front wheel arch delete on an RX8.

Why is it so heavy for a car that size?

what? context? and undoubtedly i WOULD take the Z4M if i didn't need the backseat of the 8. it's an epic car...

"user"'s post made no sense, wtf r u talkin about man

Z4M= 2x the price.
apples and oranges bro


for 2x the price id have a lotus exige, but thats neither here nor there

A classic from this section, but surprisingly not posted before today :hahano: :

Not so surprising after all:

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?p=1678020

World Production for Month November 2006..

RX-8 2083 units...up 38.8%

MX-5(NC) 3983 units ...down 28.1%

December 2006....n/a

Japan sales for Nov 2006

RX-8 ..715 units....up 32.7%
MX-5..265 units ...down 37.9%
.................................................. .......

Exports Nov 2006

RX-8.. 1165 units....up 124.9%
MX-5.. 3012 units...down 19.2%

why does that seem opposite from how american sales r? jap sales for 8s are up over 30%? whatever the reason, thats cool!

why does that seem opposite from how american sales r? jap sales for 8s are up over 30%? whatever the reason, thats cool!
Maybe because other countries have curves in their roads? America is about big V8's and punching people while drunk. Once Mazda realizes this, we'll be set.

Sweet! Someone bought a Protege again! :ylsuper:

Sweet! Someone bought a Protege again! :ylsuper:

Nope, that's YTD

Maybe because other countries have curves in their roads? America is about big V8's and punching people while drunk. Once Mazda realizes this, we'll be set.

Right. Transportation infrastructure and topography is definitely a factor in the difference of taste between that of North America and the rest of the world.

Nope, that's YTD

Whoops. I figured Mazda still wasn't sanity checking their numbers before releasing them to the press.

"HeyBob, which intern thought it was funny to put in a sales figure of 1 protege again for December! Bring them up here so I can give them an atomic wedgie!"

They did better this year than I expected. They only sold 5,330 less RX-8s here than they sold in 2005. I thought it was going to be much worse than that considering they made almost no changes to the car except for an upgrade to the AT and some minor bullshit.

But did you notice that the for the few months the CX-7 has been available, it accounted for almost two years worth of RX-8 sales? :hahano:

Not so surprising after all:

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?p=1678020

HAHA thanks saturn- as soon as i opened this thread i started clicking to get that link:) saved me the trouble:)

Right. Transportation infrastructure and topography is definitely a factor in the difference of taste between that of North America and the rest of the world.

Or even between different parts of America.

mazda vehicle sales are up about 4 % overall! woot!!!!!!!!

Call me Mr. wish if you want.

mr. wish

Well, look on the brightside. That's still 3000 more units sold in 2006 then the S2000 which has been out twice as long, is totally impractical, and purchased as a weekend/summer cruiser, is only available in one trim, costs a lot more $$, and hasn't changed much either since it was released in 1999. Congrats. :mdrmed:

You're going to compare it to the S2000 but not the 350Z or G35 Coupe?

350Z sales for 06: 24,635
G35 Coupe sales for 06: 20,395

There were more 350Zs sold last year than RX-8s in 2 years.

Ouch. :sadwavey:

You're going to compare it to the S2000 but not the 350Z or G35 Coupe?

350Z sales for 06: 24,635
G35 Coupe sales for 06: 20,395

There were more 350Zs sold last year than RX-8s in 2 years.

Ouch. :sadwavey:


I was using the S2000 as a comparison to shed the only light available on the miserable market failure of the RX8, and to make fun by comparing a car that the RX8 should be selling three times as many of. You just added further insult, and the RX8 defendees are on their way to this thread. :lol:

that's weird.
isn't the 350z priced similairly as the S2000. Those people are stupid. i woudl defintely go for the s2000.

I got mine, and I don't really care who else does. They could sell 18 a year and that wouldn't make me enjoy mine any less. Miserable market failure? Okay, yeah, that may be true, but I still don't care.

350Z sales for 06: 24,635
G35 Coupe sales for 06: 20,395

(maniacally chanting)

yes....yes....

let them plague the roads. I STILL continue to enjoy the exclusivity :evil_laug


There used to be 2 other 8s around here. But for a good while now, mine is the only one in this region. I like it that way too. :bowdown:

I think the question is not "will Mazda kill the RX8?" but rather "will Mazda put any $$$ into a redesign?". Mazda has already shown that they have no trouble keeping a car the exact same design for 5-6 years (or more). If sales continue to drop in certain markets then Mazda will just stop importing to those markets.

I really like the RX8......but with less than 10,000 units sold in 2006, I can't see Mazda throwing a ton of $$$ at a redesign. I hope I'm wrong.

The new mpg estimates coming in 2008 are really going to hurt the RX8 even more.

I think the question is not "will Mazda kill the RX8?" but rather "will Mazda put any $$$ into a redesign?". Mazda has already shown that they have no trouble keeping a car the exact same design for 5-6 years (or more). If sales continue to drop in certain markets then Mazda will just stop importing to those markets.

I really like the RX8......but with less than 10,000 units sold in 2006, I can't see Mazda throwing a ton of $$$ at a redesign. I hope I'm wrong.

The new mpg estimates coming in 2008 are really going to hurt the RX8 even more.

I think Bascho is probably correct, all the years I have worked and followed Mazda their model release is pretty consistent..its usually a 4 plus 4 year cycle with a facelift and major changes....then its end of the road for that body type...look at the MX-5..

The MX-5 went through the same sales number decline(s) and they continued to make the model..
To date since the release of the 8 Mazda have made more RX-8s than MX-5's in the same period and that includes the new NC MX-5 model.

What is going to end the present RX-8 will be emissions more than anything IMO.
Mazda can not make it any cleaner apart from a "duel fuel" option or some kind of Hybrid which I cant see happening...if D.I ever happens, it may help economy but does it change emissions much...I have my doubts..

I think the question is not "will Mazda kill the RX8?" but rather "will Mazda put any $$$ into a redesign?". Mazda has already shown that they have no trouble keeping a car the exact same design for 5-6 years (or more). If sales continue to drop in certain markets then Mazda will just stop importing to those markets.

I really like the RX8......but with less than 10,000 units sold in 2006, I can't see Mazda throwing a ton of $$$ at a redesign. I hope I'm wrong.

The new mpg estimates coming in 2008 are really going to hurt the RX8 even more.


I just don't believe it's the best interest for Mazda to redesign this car for the American market. As much as I hope this car continues, it's probably better financially for Mazda to not do so. The car was already failing after the first year, and who can forget the massive overstock of the 04 model being insanely discounted less then a year after it was released. Even I got a fabulous deal in February of 2004 on my RX8. A redesign will likely render the sames results, and just mean history repeating itself even worse, unless the reliability and mpg ratings improve dramatically, and suddenly the market isn't weery of rotaries, which is unlikely.

(maniacally chanting)

yes....yes....

let them plague the roads. I STILL continue to enjoy the exclusivity :evil_laug


There used to be 2 other 8s around here. But for a good while now, mine is the only one in this region. I like it that way too. :bowdown:

I agree. Look at it this way...if the RX-8s had somehow offered the same straight line performance that every American buyer was expecting from a sports car in this price range like the Z or G35 (5.3 - 5.5 seconds to 60, 1/4 mile in low 14s or high 13s), then the 8 would probably be just as common on the streets today as the Z and G35, if not more so.

Sucks for Mazda, but great for me. :wavey:

that's weird.
isn't the 350z priced similairly as the S2000. Those people are stupid. i woudl defintely go for the s2000.


Incorrect. The 350Z has 5 trims in the coupe from ranging from $28k msrp to $36k msrp). The Roadster has 3 trims ($35k to $40k). The S2000 has one trim with an MSRP of $35k). 7 trim levels, choice of auto or manual, many luxury features available, and one thing many people love (TORQUE). The S2000 is just one roadster, no option packages, manual only with less HP and torque. That's what makes the S2000 sales, and the longevity it's had with no significant changes all the more impressive. Stupid for wanting a more powerful, quieter , more luxurious coupe or roadster with lots of amenities over a raw one trim torqueless S2000? Not everyone can live with the S2000. It's definitely a sports car in every way shape and form. :)

You're going to compare it to the S2000 but not the 350Z or G35 Coupe?

350Z sales for 06: 24,635
G35 Coupe sales for 06: 20,395

There were more 350Zs sold last year than RX-8s in 2 years.

Ouch. :sadwavey:

I think Nissan USA sell around 4 times as many units when compared to Mazda USA.

(maniacally chanting)

yes....yes....

let them plague the roads. I STILL continue to enjoy the exclusivity :evil_laug


There used to be 2 other 8s around here. But for a good while now, mine is the only one in this region. I like it that way too. :bowdown:

I agree. Look at it this way...if the RX-8s had somehow offered the same straight line performance that every American buyer was expecting from a sports car in this price range like the Z or G35 (5.3 - 5.5 seconds to 60, 1/4 mile in low 14s or high 13s), then the 8 would probably be just as common on the streets today as the Z and G35, if not more so.

:ugh2: The chrysler's crossdresser is more "exclusive". Maybe you guys should have gotten that instead. :uhh:

:ugh2: The chrysler's crossdresser is more "exclusive". Maybe you guys should have gotten that instead. :uhh:

Actually the Crossfire is more common down here than the 8

Actually the Crossfire is more common down here than the 8

ditto here. I actually WORK with 2 people that have them...

Yeah, i dont care for the sales going up, i bought mine after wanting it for 4 years (since 2002) and I like being the only 8 on the road. It isnt until ive driving for about 30 minutes to an hour that i see another one, unlike the 350's where i would see about 10 (in coral gables about 20) in the time it takes me to see 1 rx-8.

How long do they have to support the car with parts? 10 years?, So if they discontinue the build today, I have until 2017 if I need parts. By that time, I should be driving a George Jetson special.

i think we're doomed

that is all :)

How long do they have to support the car with parts? 10 years?, So if they discontinue the build today, I have until 2017 if I need parts. By that time, I should be driving a George Jetson special.
15 years is the industry standard. At least in California to sell the car, you must make parts available for the car for 15 years.

The only exception is if the manufacture goes out of biz

^^^ you can still get a lot of 1st gen rx-7 parts and they stopped making those over 20 years ago...

I hope they either continue making the 8 with cosmetic/performance enhancements in the future cause after my 3 is paid of by 2010 I want a rotary!!! Keep the 3 for gas :) I love my 3 but I actually spend more time on these forums than the 3forums because i'm infatuated with the Renesis and 8 in general. I like the speed3, but if I had to choose I would take the 8 even though the power/gas is less, but its the whole essence of the rotary :aroused: With the return of Skyline, Z's, Supra(or whatever they're gonna call it) maybe a RX7 return or RX9(combine the praticality of the 8 with performance of past 7's) mmmmmmmm dreams :3some:

:ugh2: The chrysler's crossdresser is more "exclusive". Maybe you guys should have gotten that instead. :uhh:
Great idea! Except that f8ckin thing is horrbily ugly, is just as "lacking" in the power dept., and doesn't handle as well.

i just sold mine after 2 1/2 years..didnt really care for it..now i have an 07 sti!!!

good.

January 07 numbers are in....

http://sev.prnewswire.com/auto/20070201/LATH08001022007-1.html

Mazda overall this month did very nice...

But RX-8 with only 504 domestic sales...not so much... :sleep:

January 07 numbers are in....

http://sev.prnewswire.com/auto/20070201/LATH08001022007-1.html

Mazda overall this month did very nice...

But RX-8 with only 504 domestic sales...not so much... :sleep:
my new one was one of those 504.

I suspect it is because there (at least in my area) a limited number available unless you wanted a Shinka or a loaded GT.

Well we won't be bumping into other 8's that often.

Yes, and for those who are doomsayers, as I said many months ago the sales trend is consistent with Mazda's other sports car the MX-5 (Miata), down 7.7% in January, and has been declining for 5 months now.....so is this the end of the MX-5 too?, for memory I think they (NB Miata) were as low as 130 a month in the US before the new NC model was released.

It's is the middle of winter yaknow...

Yes I do, but not 5 months ago...

Then there is the (PRHT What a dumb name)I will call it (like the rest of the world) the
MX-5 Roadster Coupe, but, I will concede there are probably supply issues with this one, I know there's around a 3 month wait in the UK and other parts of the world.

It's is the middle of winter yaknow...

YA DONT SAY!! :scared:

I knew there was something peculiar about the 2 feet of snow outside.

Yes, and for those who are doomsayers, as I said many months ago the sales trend is consistent with Mazda's other sports car the MX-5 (Miata), down 7.7% in January, and has been declining for 5 months now.....so is this the end of the MX-5 too?, for memory I think they (NB Miata) were as low as 130 a month in the US before the new NC model was released.
The Miata sold 370 in July 2005 in North America. The first third generation MX-5 was supposedly delivered in August 2005.

The Miata was down 14.3% in 2004 from the year before, up 5% in 2005, and up 72.4% in 2006. Right before the new model was released it was down 36.9% from the same time the year before. The RX-8 was down 38% in 2005 and down 36.3% in 2006.

I don't contend that these numbers necessarily mean anything. But I, probably someone you would probably refer to as a "doomsayer", think that it's clear that the sales of the 8 will continue to fall until a remodel is done just like with the Miata. It just seems weird that they're waiting until MY 2009 (from what I've heard) to do so. I really hope that it's something special to wait that long.

Yes, and for those who are doomsayers, as I said many months ago the sales trend is consistent with Mazda's other sports car the MX-5 (Miata), down 7.7% in January, and has been declining for 5 months now.....so is this the end of the MX-5 too?, for memory I think they (NB Miata) were as low as 130 a month in the US before the new NC model was released.

The MX5 NB problem was due to the factory fire. Mazda choose to stop making the MX5 early and only build RX8s after the fire leaving dealers unable to get any MX5s for six months.

Actual Numbers MNAO Sales onlyYTD Decembers 2003 to 2006 inclusive

RX-8........Miata/MX-5
2003
12,346...................10,920

2004
23,690.....................9,356

2005
14,673.....................9,801

2006
9,343......................16,897

TOTALS
60,052 RX-8's..........46,974 MX-5's

Since it's release there are more RX-8 owners than MX-5 in the same 4 year period.

13,078 more RX- 8's owners than MX-5's to be accurate.

Sales increase 2005 because of the New NC MX-5 Model.
These sales numbers in North America are very similar and consistent when compared to Total Mazda Production for the rest of the world.

We agree that when an update for the RX-8 occurs that it will lift sales as the new MX-5 upgrades have done over its long life.

From what I have heard the new RX-8 (same basic body shell with freestyle doors) will be announced at the 07 Tokyo Motor Show late this year for MY2008, this would give the RX-8 until 2012 when its any body's guess on its future.

My belief it wont be in its present form...engine or body...

The MX5 NB problem was due to the factory fire. Mazda choose to stop making the MX5 early and only build RX8s after the fire leaving dealers unable to get any MX5s for six months.

The Ujina factory fire also affected RX-8 production as they only come from the Hiroshima plant. There was MX-5 (NB) inventory in many countries, Mazda was just gearing up for the NC when the paint plant fire began.
Mitsubishi Motors help Mazda paint some body shells.

It just seems weird that they're waiting until MY 2009 (from what I've heard) to do so. I really hope that it's something special to wait that long.


It seems like everyone is coming out with a new performance car around that time. Camaro, Challenger, Evo, STI, Mustang, 350z.

Should be good times.

I imagine they are going to do a new 6 first since it's the oldest in the lineup and they don't want to steal thunder from the 6 with a new 8 which may be why they are waiting.

Wouldn't a discontinue help our resale or am I just a dumbass?

while the resale would likely go up OVER time, it ultimately points towards a failing product in one way or another. If something is a hit, it wouldn't make any sense in any way to discontinue it. The only exclusion to that would be limited edition and quantities of specific makes.

But that's just splitting hairs.

They only sold ~10K FD's in the three years it was sold in the US. They still made the RX8. They've sold >60K RX8's in 3 years. That sounds like a success story to me. Why would anyone think they would discontinue it?

^^
Because they want to see the RX 9 or Mazdaspeed Rx 8

The RX-8 ranked 6th in the Premium Sports Car category in terms of total sales for 2006 with 5.52% of the market (a decline of 1.86% over 2005). It was beat by the Corvette, 350Z, G35, 911, and SLK (in that order).

The MX-5 ranked 5th in the Sports Car category in terms of total sales for 2006 with 5.44% of the market (an increase of 2.42% over 2005). It was beat by the Mustang, Eclipse, Solstice, and Tiburon (in that order).

I would expect an RX-8 replacement next year. Although I still wish the turbo RX-7 made a comeback

The RX-8 ranked 6th in the Premium Sports Car category in terms of total sales for 2006 with 5.52% of the market (a decline of 1.86% over 2005). It was beat by the Corvette, 350Z, G35, 911, and SLK (in that order).

The MX-5 ranked 5th in the Sports Car category in terms of total sales for 2006 with 5.44% of the market (an increase of 2.42% over 2005). It was beat by the Mustang, Eclipse, Solstice, and Tiburon (in that order).

I would expect an RX-8 replacement next year. Although I still wish the turbo RX-7 made a comeback
do you have the full listings or a link?

You need a password to get to the data, and since my company pays a ton of money for it, I am pretty sure I shouldn't be giving out too much of the information. But if you are interested in a quick fact or two, send me a PM and I can probably look it up

just wondering what the bottom 5 of the 10 were

Sure thing, I will get that info for you tomorrow

I will start a new thread for the data