Here's something those of you awaiting the unveiling

http://www.lancerproject.com/

Whoever sees the new photos pop up on the web first go nuts and post em here :) They should start surfacing on the web around 2:30 CT tomorrow.

I can't freakin wait to see what the hell mitsu has been up to all this time. Hopefully all the new technologies that they are implementing in the new Evo won't ruin it.

Stay positive!

Can't wait. Do you have any interesting info on the new evo Ike?

I can't freakin wait to see what the hell mitsu has been up to all this time. Hopefully all the new technologies that they are implementing in the new Evo won't ruin it.

Stay positive!

Can't wait. Do you have any interesting info on the new evo Ike?

Nothing more than the info that has been floating around for a while. The car being debuted tomorrow is a prototype but should be close to a production car. The regular lancer should hit dealers in a couple months. The Evo X a little over a year from now.

pretty cool ad, but a cheap rip of what abc did for the tv show lost...other than that, i'll be following this tommorow at work.

Ohhhh my my.... Can't wait to see it!

registered and waiting, good thing i am sick i can stay home and watch this.

If thats the new lancer in the background....then I just threw up in my mouth

Here's something those of you awaiting the unveiling

http://www.lancerproject.com/

Whoever sees the new photos pop up on the web first go nuts and post em here :) They should start surfacing on the web around 2:30 CT tomorrow.

That has to be the stupidest flash video ever...

I've been waiting for this for months. I have no doubt it will totally pwn n00bs -- I just hope they make the interior look more like the Outlander than the last Lancer concept they showed a month ago.

One of the few debuts left I'm looking forward too. The Caddy CTS and Camaro Convertible looked really good as well as the Acura NSX and Lincoln MKZ. Lots of nice metal out this year.

hope mitsu does it right

pictures!

This is what I've been able to find so far El Linko (http://www.automobilemag.com/auto_shows/2007_detroit/0612_2008_mitsubishi_lancer_evolution_x/)

Nothing offical as of yet of course.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/2007/01/08/mitsubishi-prototype-x-breaks-cover/

I'd drive it.

Am I crazy, or did a shot of the plain-jane Lancer sneak into that leftlane article? Also, for such a hardcore street legal race car, I'm surprised they don't supply the driver with a felt-wrapped steering wheel (or whatever that material is).

Looks good from the outside.

Wow!
For some reason, that first pic in that link reminded me of an Acura TL. (The side lines on it)
I like the fact that this Evo looks a bit more 'refined' on the outside then the previous version.

What's with that ONE random guage on the center dash. I'm assuming it's a turbo guage of some sort but strange place to put it. Can you get these things with Nav?

Daddy like......Mmmm

I'd drive it.

Am I crazy, or did a shot of the plain-jane Lancer sneak into that leftlane article? Also, for such a hardcore street legal race car, I'm surprised they don't supply the driver with a felt-wrapped steering wheel (or whatever that material is).

Suede, alcantra, and whatever similar synthetic they might use for steering wheels would look like crap pretty quickly.

And yeah, there is a regular Lancer shot in the Leftlane photos.

Does the sequential manual box require a clutched launch, or is it pretty much just an aggressive automatic with little flaps to get in the way of the steering wheel?

Suede, alcantra, and whatever similar synthetic they might use for steering wheels would look like crap pretty quickly.

Meh. Awesomeness trumps practicality.

Does the sequential manual box require a clutched launch, or is it pretty much just an aggressive automatic with little flaps to get in the way of the steering wheel?


It's going to be a DSG much like the VAG unit, so no clutch pedal involved. If launch control doesn't come with it the tuner gurus will probably be able to add it sooner or later.

Well, that is a huge improvement.
The front end still looks aggressive but it's much more cohesive than the previous model. The rear end is much more refined than the previous model.
The interior looks less like the EVO was just an add on kit and more like a different model of the car.

All in all, I like it a lot and I'd consider buying one as my next car, unless something with direct drive comes along at an affordable price.

The standard lancer looks much better too (and yes, they did sneak a pic of it in there).

Does this mean we only have to have 1 thread about the Evo?

Hopefully Mitsubishi can stay out of financial ruin by then.

It's going to be a DSG much like the VAG unit, so no clutch pedal involved. If launch control doesn't come with it the tuner gurus will probably be able to add it sooner or later.
Ah, 5-speed it is. I can't stand feeling like I'm just pushing a button that doesn't really effect anything and isn't even particularly necessary. (a la automatics with "sportshift") I'll stick with the plain old boring - yet infinitely more entertaining - 5-speed clutched box, even if it's not quite as fast around a track.

Like it overall. I think the front facia is really mean looking and the rear very muscular. What's with the 1980's vintage Coutach NACA duct on the hood. I haven't seen one of those since they started using computers for aero design. I like the seats and the diff control on the steering wheel. The center stack looks disconnected though. The radio is way up top and then the AC controls are way down under the dash lip. I wish they would do something more integrated like in our RX8. All in all I give it two thumbs up and hope Mitsu can sell other cars as well. :bigok:

Now if they could figure out how to make the eclipse a sports car again they'd be in business.

It's going to be a DSG much like the VAG unit, so no clutch pedal involved. If launch control doesn't come with it the tuner gurus will probably be able to add it sooner or later.

Let me rephrase this... It was supposed to be a DSG style tranny, now these links are saying sequential. I get the feeling they jumped the gun with these photos and don't really know the official news. I spoke with someone that was at the filming of the webcast (there is a delay) and he claims it's worth a watch.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=119065#3

I hope the dual exhausts don't make it to production...

Love the car, but I don't have any faith in Mitsu.

Ike, what work have you done on your Evo? Charles mentioned on Sat that you've got a few mods...

Too bad they couldn't keep the fender flares, I rather liked them. Overall it looks pretty good. I wonder how long it takes before pricing is announced. Probably late this fall I'd guess.

looks great.. too bad mitsu lost my respect when they refused to take my Galant in under warranty because the orignal store I got it from closed. Had to fight to get my warranty honored.

Love the car, but I don't have any faith in Mitsu.

Ike, what work have you done on your Evo? Charles mentioned on Sat that you've got a few mods...

Clutch, flywheel, TBE, intake, AMS custom tune, JDM MR DV, lighter 9" wide wheels, TT, guages, B&M adjustable SS, TT, and probably a couple things I'm forgetting.

I have an incredible mod friendly dealer that's local to me so I love Mitsubishi. The dealer makes a huge difference. I can go in there and shot the breeze with the owner, sales manager, service manager, and another technician that own 5 Evos between the 4 of them.

Let me rephrase this... It was supposed to be a DSG style tranny, now these links are saying sequential. I get the feeling they jumped the gun with these photos and don't really know the official news. I spoke with someone that was at the filming of the webcast (there is a delay) and he claims it's worth a watch.

Looks like I was correct. DSG or a 6 speed manual rather than 5 speed that was reported on the other sites.

much better than the current one, in fact I like it.

the twin exhaust look out of place, I prefer a single 4" tip

Clutch, flywheel, TBE, intake, AMS custom tune, JDM MR DV, lighter 9" wide wheels, TT, guages, B&M adjustable SS, TT, and probably a couple things I'm forgetting.

I have an incredible mod friendly dealer that's local to me so I love Mitsubishi. The dealer makes a huge difference. I can go in there and shot the breeze with the owner, sales manager, service manager, and another technician that own 5 Evos between the 4 of them.

You'll have to come out to Road America, even if you're not driving.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=15&article_id=4452

You'll have to come out to Road America, even if you're not driving.

I'm hoping I can get some proper rubber and Bilsteins on and be able to join you guys on the track. It has been way way too long since I've done a trackday.

Looks like I was correct. DSG or a 6 speed manual rather than 5 speed that was reported on the other sites.
Ike, you're the zoom44 of the Evo world! I get all my info from you!

Good news about the DSG -- it's probably what will make me get this car. The shifter in the pics looks weird in that it's a manual style (leather wrapped boot), but it's got P, N, R, and D next to it. I'm hoping that's just a hybrid mock-up that will be lost during final production. If that's what it'll look like for the DSG model I'll throw up a little in my mouth.

I hope they don't loose the suede on the dash. It's really unique albeit hard to keep new looking. I'm also psyched that they're talking about adding navigation because I was feeling hard pressed to figure out where to install an LCD screen for a carputer. Cars that offer optional nav usually have well-defined places to put custom LCD screens even if you don't buy the factory option.

I too am missing the fender flares. I also hope when they slap on 18" wheels that it won't look ridiculous. That is usually one of the biggest let downs for me when it comes from prototypes to the actual production model. Looks great with stylish 20" but then looks like ass with real-world wheels.

not bad..it has a shyt load of potential..those are some nice buckets as well..

http://www.motortrend.com/features/auto_news/2007/112_news070108_mitsubishi_prototype_x

http://www.caranddriver.com/autoshows/12209/mitsubishi-prototype-x-concept.html

Note: The photos are still from the Concept X

I'm hoping I can get some proper rubber and Bilsteins on and be able to join you guys on the track. It has been way way too long since I've done a trackday.

We all took rides in a guy's Evo a year, or so, ago. It had the Ohlins and full exhaust/tune from Vishnu. Was a badass car. And the driver was pretty good.

Have you driven RA before? Last was my first time. It took me all weekend to get comfortable with it, if that as I still don't feel 100% about it. I just start really slow and then make my progressions and increase speed from there.

Those sites are all saying different things. Motortrend is saying that the DSG model will be out first with the manual (5-speed) coming later in the year whereas other sites have said the exact opposite with a 6-speed manual instead of 5-speed. I hope the webcast sorts these rumors out.

We all took rides in a guy's Evo a year, or so, ago. It had the Ohlins and full exhaust/tune from Vishnu. Was a badass car. And the driver was pretty good.

Have you driven RA before? Last was my first time. It took me all weekend to get comfortable with it, if that as I still don't feel 100% about it. I just start really slow and then make my progressions and increase speed from there.

I wish I could afford Ohlins, but owning a house, buying a ring, and just getting a new plasma TV have taken away from my abilty to drop 2k+ on Coilovers. :( The Bilsteins will be good though since it is my daily driver afterall. I was in a car at RA once, but mainly I've driven my shifter car there, but it has been ages. The little bit of experience I have there will probably hurt more than help.

Those sites are all saying different things. Motortrend is saying that the DSG model will be out first with the manual (5-speed) coming later in the year whereas other sites have said the exact opposite with a 6-speed manual instead of 5-speed. I hope the webcast sorts these rumors out.

5 speed manual only just doesn't make sense. There may be a 5 speed and a 6 speed but I highly doubt they will just dump the 6 MT.

pics!!

http://www.y2kelly.com/images/DerekPix/EVO-X-Concept-Gold-Wheels-B.jpg
http://www.coltmania.de/images/news/exo_X_1.jpg
http://www.coltmania.de/images/news/eco_x_2.jpg

I like the black, looks sexy...

-Steakboy

pics!!

I like the black, looks sexy...

-Steakboy

Those are all over a year old and are the Concept X and a Concept X photoshop.

^^Yeah, now that I see those pics, I really wish they would have kept the fender flare thingies....

^^Yeah, now that I see those pics, I really wish they would have kept the fender flare thingies....

I agree. Other than that the car looks better than the concept IMO.

Pics galore

http://www.autoblog.com/photos/mitsubishi-prototype-x/

Nice. Seats remind me of the last Ferrari GTO seats, and the dash has a 3 series feel to it. Funny, the GTO also had a suede dash. More upscale in appearance overall...looks heavier though.

Heard it'll finally be sold in Canada, love to finally try one.

Hopefully the wing is a n/c delete.

I'm still not sold on the weird pattern on the seats. They appear to be great seats but the pattern...

Big ass brake pedal.

This is like Christmas for the Ikemeister!! Enjoy it man...

I certainly like it better than the last one. I wonder if the car is more heavy than the last model, as it shares a platform now. The subi is down right ugly in comparison.

I still trust Subi engineering over Mitsu, but this car will hopefully change my opinion of that.

It's got a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge brake pedal! No me gusta. =T

Nice. Seats remind me of the last Ferrari GTO seats, and the dash has a 3 series feel to it. Funny, the GTO also had a suede dash. More upscale in appearance overall...looks heavier though.

Heard it'll finally be sold in Canada, love to finally try one.

Hopefully the wing is a n/c delete.

Sadly I fear the new car will come in a little under 3500 lbs.. Though the current Evo feels very light and nimble compared to its curb weight so hopefully even though it will weigh more it won't feel heavy.

http://www.jalopnik.com/cars/news/super-detroit-unveiling-potential-turbo-specialty-sports-sedan-prototype-x-227088.php

I agree. Other than that the car looks better than the concept IMO.
I agree... somewhat. It's kinda hard to explain but from certain angles this car looks much better than the concept, but from certain angles the concept looked better. I'm sure it will grow on me though, it's a beautiful machine.

What's the estimated price range gonna be on this thing?

What's the estimated price range gonna be on this thing?

Depending on options probably 33-38k. Unless Mitsubishi continues with a a stripped down model like the RS. Most likely the Ralliart will end up being a WRX fighter and fill the lower price bracket. These are all my estimates though...

It looks very good, i agree that the twin exhaust has to go. Pretty cool interior. Although the tacho and speedo is a direct ripoff from ferrari, but hey i'll take it in a 33-38k car!

Hey Ike, do you know anything about the turbo/engine in the EvoX? is it similar to last gen's?
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Impressive.

Gee, It think it looks bloody Ugly with the Audi-ish front...the mechanicals are probably very sound, but the body is out-dated already IMO.

Makes me appreciate the RX-8's design even more..

looking hot, and im not a big fan of evo's.

Webcast is starting

OMG I almost missed it. Damn work!

It looks very good, i agree that the twin exhaust has to go. Pretty cool interior. Although the tacho and speedo is a direct ripoff from ferrari, but hey i'll take it in a 33-38k car!

Hey Ike, do you know anything about the turbo/engine in the EvoX? is it similar to last gen's?
Check out all the links that have been posted in this thread. All that info is in those very short articles.

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wow those are a lot of pictures, i am glad it is so close to ceoncept compared to so many other designs. still the base model will be blah but i am sure the evo will be awesome.

Outrander doing vely good!

Outrander doing vely good!
Haha, I didn't wanna say anything, but that dude needs some help.

I hope they answer my question. I asked whether or not the Evo with DSG would have launch control. I need to know how many n00bs I'm going to be able to pwn.

sounds really interesting and impressive.

I'm a bit worried at the aluminum block though... I'm sure they will be doing whatever it takes to make it very strong and able to handle good boost from the factory... still aluminum is aluminum... it might take away the bullet proof-ness of the 4g63 and cause a decrease in amount of after market boost it can handle... im waiting to see if the tuning potential of the evo platform will take a hit. This goes to the new GT-R too since the VQ engines also have aluminum blocks.

looks pretty good, if they can make it handle like the current evo then they have a winner.

So am I right in saying that this isn't coming to dealers until "sometime next year"?

sounds really interesting and impressive.

I'm a bit worried at the aluminum block though... I'm sure they will be doing whatever it takes to make it very strong and able to handle good boost from the factory... still aluminum is aluminum... it might take away the bullet proof-ness of the 4g63 and cause a decrease in amount of after market boost it can handle... im waiting to see if the tuning potential of the evo platform will take a hit. This goes to the new GT-R too since the VQ engines also have aluminum blocks.

looks pretty good, if they can make it handle like the current evo then they have a winner.

A couple others things of note concerning modability. It looks like the turbo and manifold is now at the rear of the engine while the intake is at the front. While this going to help keep intake temps lower and increase the efficiency of the engine a bit, it will make doing more major mods a bigger pain in the ass.

I'm sure the new engine will be quite strong, but I doubt we're talking 4G63 strong. Though that's probably not a concern unless you're wanting 400+ whp.

So am I right in saying that this isn't coming to dealers until "sometime next year"?

Spring of '08 most likely.

Overall I think it looks good. I can't wait for a test drive. I like what they've done to the interior. I wonder if anything close to these Recaros will come in the production car...

http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=92083&stc=1

Overall I think it looks good. I can't wait for a test drive. I like what they've done to the interior. I wonder if anything close to these Recaros will come in the production car...

http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=92083&stc=1

They're saying it's about 95% accurate of what the Evo X will be. Put 18s on it instead of 20s, change the tails and headlights a bit to make them DOT compliant. I bet the seats stay, if they don't and they end up being more like the Evo IX seats I won't complain one bit. The Recaros in the 8 and 9 are amazing even if the versions in the VIII aren't very pretty.

I think I read every article and it seems like it will be in the US early in 2008, I'm just a bit worried on the price. While still a good bargain for the performance almost 40k is a whole lot of change.

Still 4 doors, AWD and the wife could drive it too so that helps.

I think I read every article and it seems like it will be in the US early in 2008

I hope so.

That has to be one of the best looking factory steering wheels I've seen. I hope the lap timer/stopwatch makes production.

I hope so.

That has to be one of the best looking factory steering wheels I've seen. I hope the lap timer/stopwatch makes production.

I could see that one not making. Though it seems if they took the time to integrate it into a car that near production that it'll at least be an option.

New Photos.

http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=244305

I hope so.

That has to be one of the best looking factory steering wheels I've seen. I hope the lap timer/stopwatch makes production.
My guess is that they're going to ditch the lap timer and then put the nav unit there. Total guess though. They could also relocate the timer somewhere else.

edit: On second thought, they'll prolly stick the nav unit in where the radio controls are like on the base Lancer.

Looks great, first Evo I really like the design of. Those fender vents need to be black with a couple of strakes though ;)

R&T video

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=15&article_id=4484

In some of the photos it appears to have production ready headlights:

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/01/12-prototype-x-static-fr-3-.jpg

It'll be a year before these things hit the streets so I'll reserve final judgement until then. If this prototype is 95% of the production Evo X there are definately some clear-cut improvements over the three CT9A/4G63 platforms that preceded it...



interior quality
exterior looks
side curtain air bags
DSG
cruise control
lighter aluminum engine
The interior and exterior changes are long overdue. Any interior creature comforts are an improvement - whether it be cruise control, heated seats, NAV or all of the above. I really don't know anybody that can honestly say that the Evo VII-IX has better lines than the Evo X either. I can comfortably and confidently say that this a damn good looking car. Considering all of the insurance and highway safety surveys, it's also about g'damn time Mitsubishi offered some supplemental side protection. I've been saying for years, since I walked away from my own side impact accident, that those side airbags will be as standard as ABS eventually. Those techno-goodies to the drivetrain are also cool but we'll see how many of them make it to the USDM. People pay $50k USD for their Evos around the globe but nobody in America will buy a Mitsubishi for even $40k. That's for damn sure. But there are also some things that I see as problematic and/or inhibitive to the performance and eventual tuning potential of the car...


200lbs heavier
turbocharger sits against the firewall
twin exhaust tips
I'm honestly not sure why keeping the vehicle weight down wasn't a MAJOR priority for Mitsubishi. It's upsetting to me really considering the scope of Mistubishi's (the corporate behemoth, not just the car manufacturer) understanding and advances in metalurgy technologies. One of the great things about the Evo (which is definately no lightweight in its current form) is that, even with an all wheel drivetrain, the developers have always consciencely kept vehicle weight to a minimum since the platform's inception. The CT9A chassis wasn't light but, through the use of aluminum and other lightweight metals, it stayed right around 3250lbs. This Evo X continues to use light weight alloys like forged steel and aluminum but it's fat ass has now ballooned to almost 3500lbs. That's too heavy. That's E46 M3 heavy and 350Z heavy. It's too much weight for a car that's best trait is it's handling and tossability. Just my 2 cents. The location of the turbocharger on the new engine is a bit of bummer from a tuning perspective. It will make installation of even simple things, like a boost controller, a complete knuckle scraping PITA. Forget about a DIY turbo swap. The car will probably have to be up on a lift for something like that. One of the best things about the 4G63 is how accesible everything is. The guy who did my turbo swap at Speed Element had the old turbo off in 10 minutes and the new turbo on in about 15 minutes. That kind of accesibility is a direct result of the WRC influence on the 4G63. Those drivers need to be able to quickly and easily put a wrench on anything under the hood. If you haven't ever looked under the hood of an Evo do yourself a favor and check it out. The simplicity and accesibility behind the engineering is genius. Now that part of the car's lineage has apparently died. Symbolic of that new found tilt of "show over go" are the goofy twin exhaust tips. It's a totally cosmetic move that needlessly adds 4 feet of stainless steel backpressure to the exhaust setup.

I'm not dissapointed with the Evo X. I'd hit it. It's still more car than most people can wrap their brain around. They've done some new, good, really progressive things. Maybe my expectations were unreasonable though. I think I just really wanted a better looking, leather appointed, better performing, OEM tuned version of my own car. I'll have to wait for the retail version to come to market. Until then I'm still looking for my next car. This wasn't the homerun I was hoping for.

It also has 18" wheels. Many have been speculating that it's a production model. Most likely it's just a car they put together that way so they could legally drive it on the street for the photoshoots and demonstrations. One thing is for sure though, the headlights will need some changes like the ones in the photo above.

looks are better - not good enough to turn my head though.

Steiner, great post. But weight savings is something most people, even most enthusiasts, couldn’t care less about. Nothing you can’t overcome with horsepower or fatter tires they’ll say. Many were raised in the “ground hugging weight” days, or many more believe more weight = more safety. In these days of bigger is better, cars will get heavier. And the fact that it’s cheaper to produce shared platforms or use heavier materials will contribute as well.

Fact is you can’t easily sell low weight. Fact is you can get a heavier car to “perform” better than a lighter car. In these days of electronic aids, it’s even easier. But it’s much harder to get a heavier car to “feel” better than a lighter car – stuff you don’t easily see in skidpad grip or slalom times. To me, light weight = better feel = more control = usable handling = more fun, etc. But most drivers lack the skills to notice a difference anyways between a 2800 pound car and a 3800 pound car.

Even experienced motorcyclists equate higher weight with stability and resistance to winds. They’ll tell you my 585-pound touring bike is less twitchy than my 385-pound sport bike, but ask me which one I’d rather avoid an accident with.

Fact is horsepower and stats will sell cars, especially sporty ones. Weight is, unfortunately an afterthought.

And keep in mind its 200lbs not 500. I'll take the 200lb hit and have all the stiffness of the new frame as well as improved safety and amenities and the 325hp or so will help too. Anything under 5 seconds 0=60 is more than fast enough for me.

yeah...this car looks pretty sick.....

you guys sound anorexic, the bottom line is how fast can it get around a track. If the stiffer chasis and all the new AWD technologies makes it a faster car then 200 extra pounds seems very justified. Being lighter has its disadvantages too in handling, its a double edged sword. Ether way you go, you gain some and you loose some, the bottom line is how fast will you get around the track?

plus, the car looks to be safer for the street. That is worth the extra weight to me.

i like my cars sleek and sexy... this looks like it has an angry dodge ram pick-up truck front end (needless to say i'm not a big fan at this point) :boring:

you guys sound anorexic, the bottom line is how fast can it get around a track. If the stiffer chasis and all the new AWD technologies makes it a faster car then 200 extra pounds seems very justified. Being lighter has its disadvantages too in handling, its a double edged sword. Ether way you go, you gain some and you loose some, the bottom line is how fast will you get around the track?

Really? The time it takes to lap a track is what makes a car great?? And what are those disadvantages about being light???

This and other attitudes just expressed proves my earlier points, that most people care first about stats. Screw feel, or fun to drive, intuitive handling. It's all about stats. Maybe Clarkson is right about the 335i; great car, great stats and performance, but bland as hell to drive.

Kinda sad really. Stats don't put a smile on my face, but a finely balanced car does. I betcha if the new Evo is 3600 pounds, that the existing one will be more fun to drive for "real" driving enthusiasts.

The evo gets my vote for 2008 car of the year!

Fundamentally, the car looks looks mean in styling, all the new active suspension upgrades and its upgrade in power (allthough they did not say how much).

Looking forward to see it in the streets.

Nice job for mitsubishi.

Hope Mazda can kick up the notch on the RX model a bit more.

Really? The time it takes to lap a track is what makes a car great?? And what are those disadvantages about being light???

This and other attitudes just expressed proves my earlier points, that most people care first about stats. Screw feel, or fun to drive, intuitive handling. It's all about stats. Maybe Clarkson is right about the 335i; great car, great stats and performance, but bland as hell to drive.

Kinda sad really. Stats don't put a smile on my face, but a finely balanced car does. I betcha if the new Evo is 3600 pounds, that the existing one will be more fun to drive for "real" driving enthusiasts.

in my experience lighter cars tend to be less stable than heavier cars as speed increases. ceteris paribus a lighter car feels relatively more nervous as a function of weight vs speed. For example, the high speed maneuverability test is ran pretty often on Best Motoring International where they take the cars to 200km/h and beyond around the ring, the heavier cars tend to earn better remarks. For example the bmw 3 series and audi A series was much more stable than the rx8 in that test.

please note that i never said heavier cars handle better than lighter cars, I just said light weight has its own disadvantages. I do however believe that a good lap time does make a car great because tracks are designed to test all facets of a car's performance including handling and acceleration. You cant usually just get a great time with a car that cant handle. an example is the mustang GT ending up slower vs the rx8 in C&D's lightning lap despite the huge advantage in acceleration. A great lap time around the track indicates that a car is not just 1 dimensional, but can handle and accelerate well. More often than not, it does make a car great.

your concept of "fun to drive" is subjective, while a great lap time is not. Plenty of people prefer heavier cars as more fun to drive. you might prefer that being nimble and light weight is more fun to go around the track. Someone else might believe that its more fun to drive a car like the comparatively heavy skyline GT-R (the current reigning Touge Monster in American Touge) and tackle each corner with ruthless efficiency and control. what constitute as "fun to drive" can differ from person to person, while a great lap time is objective and cannot be argued.

Jermey Clarkson is not the be all end all guy. Plenty of professional race car drivers prefer the GT-R style of driving as more fun. No one is wrong or right, Its each person's right to decide for him self what constitute as "fun" or "feel."With that said, I must address again that in my experience, a car that gets a great lap time around a good track is usually very fun to drive and handles very well regardless of its weight.

I don't see how judging car by its weight is any less ignorant than judging a car by its hp rating. I can easily see EVO X being not only the better performer but more fun to drive too thanks to its improved active AWD system and and chassis regidy.
your idea of "REAL" enthusiast seems very ignorant to me.

Well, maybe it's like eating broccoli, or camping out and sleeping on rocks, there is sort of a painful pleasure in driving something really fast and really uncomfortable!

I didn't mean to start a debate about the car's weight. The Evo X will no doubt handle better and accelerate quicker than its Evo IX predecessor, just as the IX out did the VIII, the VIII out did the VII, etc. I just think the Evo X is the first to do it IN SPITE of its weight, rather than as a direct result of it. I might be wrong. I know there was a 200lb jump in weight between the Evo VI and Evo VII because of the new CT9A platform.

This is a cool website if you want to follow the Evo's 15 year history...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_Lancer_Evolution#Evolution_VI

im not even arguing about the EVO. im just saying that weight is only 1 of a plethora of factors that contribute to how fun a car is to drive. theres plenty of heavy cars thats more fun to drive than lighter cars and vice versa. just because the EVO X picks up 200 lbs does not mean it will be less fun to drive, the technologies in it might very well make it more fun to drive. theres a lot of people on this board that tend to make weight way too big of a deal when it comes to what constitute to a great sports car.

Looks solid overall. Nice proportions. Appears heavier, which is a good thing as long as it's actually not.

The lines of the tail lamps are peculiar with respect to the trunk line, almost as if someone forgot to align it.

Interior, which was current EVO's weak spot looks much improved!

Appears to be another iconic tarmac terror.

This part worries me though:
"This new, larger and more sophisticated Evo X might not be the rally-bred car we remember" - Edmunds.com

I for one like the late EVOs because they are rally-bred.

im not even arguing about the EVO. im just saying that weight is only 1 of a plethora of factors that contribute to how fun a car is to drive. theres plenty of heavy cars thats more fun to drive than lighter cars and vice versa. just because the EVO X picks up 200 lbs does not mean it will be less fun to drive, the technologies in it might very well make it more fun to drive. theres a lot of people on this board that tend to make weight way too big of a deal when it comes to what constitute to a great sports car.Ask the BMW nuts which M3 was the funnest to drive. Ask the international Evo and STi nuts too. It'll always be the lightest one. That's why people bought those gutless effeminate Miatas in droves when I was a kid. The thing was a like a little go-kart. You can always modify the engine's power but removing vehicle weight is typically an exercise in futility if you like your back seat and the comfort of knowing there's a spare tire in the trunk. From a tuning potential I think people have traditionally looked at the Evo as a blank canvass. It's one of the big draws. Right now these cars are a roll cage and some r-compounds away from a weekend road course warrior status. I'm worried that's gonna change now.

Also wonder how the alloy block will compare to the current iron block in terms of ultimate strength once the mod crowd has their way with it.

Playdoh, a few points I'd debate...

Your assertion that high speed stability is related to weight. I think it's more a function of aerodynamics, suspension tuning, or even simple things like a wider track, longer wheelbase...not weight. And you don't need weight for chassis rigidity either, a well engineered and rigid frame doesn't need to be heavy, just well engineered.

And we can go on forever about your belief that lap times make the car. I'd never buy a car or bike on stats alone. Why even have an 8 if you believe that?

I am a bmw nut and im in the local M3 club and i beg to differ, theres always two camps of people many of which like the E46 or E36 over the E30 as far as fun goes. and Plenty of people I know prefer EVO 7-9 over the earlier ones too. i dont see lighter weight automatically translate into more fun or better feel. As far as im concerned, i consider it more fun if it can make its way around the track better, turn better, accelerate better etc. eitherway, weight is not everything when it comes to feel.

ooooh doggy i cant wait, i will buy it as long as i get to keep my 8. but then again i would rather save up for the gtr, any news on that yet?

And we can go on forever about your belief that lap times make the car. I'd never buy a car or bike on stats alone. Why even have an 8 if you believe that?

id also never buy a car based on stats alone, but Id never judge a car based on weight alone either.

ohh well, theres nothing else to argue about due to the subjective nature of "feel" and "fun" i respect those than emphasis "feel" more than quantifiable characteristics like lap time. everyones different, there are romantics and realists and all kinds of other people. respect for those who are different is whats most important.

For example the bmw 3 series and audi A series was much more stable than the rx8 in that test.

Playdoh, sound logic on the weight's relationship to stability. It's a natural phenomenon.

However, are you sure about the result of that Best Motoring high speed test? I think I saw that episode and the drivers said that the late BMW 3 series' high speed zigzag felt scary to them ("kimochi warui" = bad feeling) and the RX-8 felt ("kore ii" = this is good).

from what i remember they said the 8 felt scary. im not leaving out the possibility of remebering it wrong though since it was a while ago. the video should be on google or youtube somewhere

There were people in the Evo community thinking that the Evo X would weigh less or about the same as the same as the current car. Some of those same people were the ones complaining about the safety and creature comforts of the car. Now some of those same people are complaining that the Evo is going to weigh more and that the 4G63 is gone...

In this day and age of increasing safety regulations and car buyers demanding more gadgets and creature comforts cars are just going to keep getting heavier. It's a shame if you ask me. I don't need cruise control, climate control, a 650w stereo, less cabin noise, and side impact airbags. I knew my Evo didn't fare well in side impact crash tests and it was a risk I was willing to take.

The Evo will certainly lose some of its rawness, but it remains to be seen if that will take away from the fun of the car. I'm not ready to assume a heavier car means less handling and fun. In recent times we have the 350Z as an example, it has gained weight since it was first released but the current MY is an improved car over the lighter early models. Some would and have argued that the E36 M3 was a better car than the E30 M3 despite it being heavier.

All that being said we don't know how much the new Evo will be up in weight. What we do know...

1.) The chassis is 200lbs. heavier
2.) The engine is 60lbs. lighter
3.) There are more luight weight aluminum body panels
4.) There are lighter weight aluminum suspension pieces
5.) There are more creature comforts to add weight
6.) There are additional airbags

What all that will add up to in the final tally is hard to say. It could end up being less than 200 lbs. When it comes down to it if it's around 200lbs. or less then is about the same thing as driving your car with a full tank of gas vs. being low on gas. One might feel a tiny difference, but it's hardly something that is going to make or break a car.

No matter how it turns out current Evo owners should be happy. If the Evo X turns out to be not as modable and not as fun as the previous models my resale value will skyrocket even higher than it is now. If the Evo X is better in just about every aspect then I'll go buy one. It's a win win situation. It could even turn out that both happen. Older Evos will be in high demand because of their power potential and rawness while the Evo X will still be a much better car even if it isn't as modable or as fun.

I just hope that if for some crazy reason Mitsubishi blows it with the Evo X that Suby does not do the same with the new STI.

Older Evos will be in high demand because of their power potential and rawness while the Evo X will still be a much better car even if it isn't as modable or as fun..

I think so too. However, I hope that it's an esoteric thing leaving open the possibility of getting EVO IX's for cheaper.

Similar thing happened with the MX-5, no?

I think so too. However, I hope that it's an esoteric thing leaving open the possibility of getting EVO IX's for cheaper.

Similar thing happened with the MX-5, no?

There's a decent chance that the Evo 8-9 could end up being like the past Supra. The Evo already has the best resale value of any car on the market according to several sources. I could turn around and sell my car now for the same or more than I paid over a year ago. I think they're either going to keep holding value as well as they have or they're going to get even pricier. The one time where it will probably be easier to get a used Evo for cheaper is right when the Evo X is released and there are a larger number than usual of used Evos sitting on lots. Once those are gone the resale values could creep up and up much like the Supra has. This will all depend on the Evo X being far less mod friendly than the 8 and 9.

i think its ugly

i think its ugly

thats what she said

The one time where it will probably be easier to get a used Evo for cheaper is right when the Evo X is released and there are a larger number than usual of used Evos sitting on lots. .


you beat me to it, if the evo X shows potential to continue the evo line into this new model, then i could see myself buying a slightly modded IX mr (or if i'm lucky an unmodded IX just off an original owner lease)

you beat me to it, if the evo X shows potential to continue the evo line into this new model, then i could see myself buying a slightly modded IX mr (or if i'm lucky an unmodded IX just off an original owner lease)

They don't lease Evos.

They don't lease Evos.
I didn't know that (i said lease mainly in hopes of an unmodded one being returned to the dealer)

In this day and age of increasing safety regulations and car buyers demanding more gadgets and creature comforts cars are just going to keep getting heavier. It's a shame if you ask me. I don't need cruise control, climate control, a 650w stereo, less cabin noise, and side impact airbags. I knew my Evo didn't fare well in side impact crash tests and it was a risk I was willing to take.

Same here. I remember how excited I was when the EVO RS was released a few years ago. This type of car appeals to me. I think it was stripped of every unnecessary option including AC and spoiler. I went to look for one not long after its release and I don't remember finding one anywhere. This type of stripped out car doesn't appeal to many Americans...

Well, maybe it's like eating broccoli, or camping out and sleeping on rocks, there is sort of a painful pleasure in driving something really fast and really uncomfortable! You got that right!

More news and videos

http://www.worksevo.com/

http://www.motortrend.com/features/auto_news/2006/112_news061218_mitsubishi_prototype_x

Quick PS of what blue would look like...

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n59/pseichler/mitsu-prototype-x-ii---13.jpg

They don't lease Evos.

Interesting! I didn't know that. :)

The more I see and read about X, the more I like the current Evos.

It's most likely just me, but I like the exterior styling of the current version better. It has more personality, kinda like natural vs silicone :). The new car reads like a bit of a compromise. The current Evos have a clear vision.

i kinda like the current one better also look wise. i think 7-9 are the best looking ones.

I'll be interested to compare the sales totals for first year of the IX and X (at least 2nd-4th quarters) I'd put money down that they will sell at least 2x as many X's (unless they over price it).

Looks great, first Evo I really like the design of. Those fender vents need to be black with a couple of strakes though ;):ylsuper:

Or maybe CF from Jay

Kinda looks like a civic from the front. I like the current model better.

The more I see and read about X, the more I like the current Evos.

It's most likely just me, but I like the exterior styling of the current version better. It has more personality, kinda like natural vs silicone :). The new car reads like a bit of a compromise. The current Evos have a clear vision.


I agree with you. The new X looks overdone.

The current Evos have a clear vision.

What? Ugly.... Ha!

I don't agree obviously. I think the X is an improvement. I'm excited to see it in person.

Being an Evo owner now, there's few pros and cons on the 9 to 10 conversion.
I am very happy about 4g63, and it is very tune friendly, and quite easy to achive 320-330whp on the 9 mivec motor. :rock: 4B11T, only time will tell about how that engine will do.
But in general, I feel like the general structure on the car(current evos) is a bit "cheap"(Don't quote me on that :Eyecrazy: ) At least from my personal opinions. There's alot of rattles here and there...nothing crazy, but a bit irritating.

X looks like it's going to enter a bit more into "Luxury" department along with its legendary performance that evo has been known for a long time. Either way, I think Mitsubishi will be very sucessful with X, and that's good for the company.

But in general, I am extremely happy with my 9. Let the modding continue :)

Looks nice. I wouldn't mind buying it.. Although, I already have an 8.. ;)

Ohhhhh that looks niiiiice! ive been on the scoobie side of the old STI-EVO debate for the LONGEST time, but the X is really looking to change that. The EVOVIII looked like a Pontiac Reject, and the IX was just ho hum, but the X is turning it ALL around for me!

(that and uh..... 08 Impreza: :puke:

This car is alot worse then a regular civic!!!

3032Lbs for a front wheel drive car
60/40 weight distrbution
152 HP 2.0l engine


Are we suppose to get all excited when they come out with the "evo" version.???yes, it will probably have 290Hp. But, it will weigh another 500Lbs on top of the base lancer and the weight distbution will be the same. :icon_tdow

This car is alot worse then a regular civic!!!

3032Lbs for a front wheel drive car
60/40 weight distrbution
152 HP 2.0l engine


Are we suppose to get all excited when they come out with the "evo" version.???yes, it will probably have 290Hp. But, it will weigh another 500Lbs on top of the base lancer and the weight distbution will be the same. :icon_tdow

I have no idea who you are, but it only took one post for me to realize you're a moron! Yet another guy spouting off that have never driven an Evo.

I have no idea who you are, but it only took one post for me to realize you're a moron! Yet another guy spouting off that have never driven an Evo.


Actually I have driven an evo and STIs, and they are really well modified economy cars, nothing more.

This car is alot worse then a regular civic!!!

3032Lbs for a front wheel drive car
60/40 weight distrbution
152 HP 2.0l engine


Are we suppose to get all excited when they come out with the "evo" version.???yes, it will probably have 290Hp. But, it will weigh another 500Lbs on top of the base lancer and the weight distbution will be the same. :icon_tdow
There have been a lot of dumb posts as of late, but man, that was right up there with the best of them. Also, you forgot to criticize the Evo's main weakness -- its cheating turbo1!!!11fortyseven1!!1!

This car is alot worse then a regular civic!!!

3032Lbs for a front wheel drive car
60/40 weight distrbution
152 HP 2.0l engine

7Are we suppose to get all excited when they come out with the "evo" version.???yes, it will probably have 290Hp. But, it will weigh another 500Lbs on top of the base lancer and the weight distbution will be the same. :icon_tdow

As opposed to:

2800lbs for a FWD car
61/39 weight distribution
140hp 1.8L engine

Doesn't seem like the Civic is much better to me :dunno: Besides, if the new Evo is anything like the old ones, it really won't have much in common with the base Lancer besides the interior. It's kind of hard to say how good or bad the car will be when we don't know a single spec yet.

true, but the whole thing in "modifying" a base lancer is the same as modifying a civic. yes it will be better. But its really nothing to get excited about. I thought Americans were patriots!! What about the marvel of engineering that a Corvette is?

That is an amazing car!! :icon_tup:

true, but the whole thing in "modifying" a base lancer is the same as modifying a civic. yes it will be better. But its really nothing to get excited about. I thought Americans were patriots!! What about the marvel of engineering that a Corvette is?

That is an amazing car!! :icon_tup:

So the Corvette with its pushrod engine and leaf springs is an egineering marvel yet the Evo is a lancer with a few mods? You're a complete and total idiot.

So the Corvette with its pushrod engine and leaf springs is an egineering marvel yet the Evo is a lancer with a few mods? You're a complete and total idiot.


Don't even compare an Evo to a Corvette.. LOL

well lets see, we have a car that has 400hp with torque to match and it weighs in at 3250Lbs. There is nothing wrong with a leaf spring suspension, it does it the job and it saves weight. So whats the problem? Same thing with the pushrod engine. The corvtte does 0 to 100mph in under 10 seconds, there is no car out there that can touch the value for the performance.

point is... The corvette with smoke your evo, on the street and on the track. not to mention the Z06 and the superchargered version which is coming out this year.

Ugly car.

Don't even compare an Evo to a Corvette.. LOL

well lets see, we have a car that has 400hp with torque to match and it weighs in at 3250Lbs. There is nothing wrong with a leaf spring suspension, it does it the job and it saves weight. So whats the problem? Same thing with the pushrod engine. The corvtte does 0 to 100mph in under 10 seconds, there is no car out there that can touch the value for the performance.

point is... The corvette with smoke your evo, on the street and on the track. not to mention the Z06 and the superchargered version which is coming out this year.

The only thing to marvel about with a regular C6 vette is how bad the shifter is and how little driver feedback it has. Don't get me wrong, they are impressive cars for the money, but they're hardly automotive nirvana and I'll take an Evo or Elise over a Vette during a trackday every time. And no, a C6 will not smoke my Evo.

true, but the whole thing in "modifying" a base lancer is the same as modifying a civic. yes it will be better. But its really nothing to get excited about. I thought Americans were patriots!! What about the marvel of engineering that a Corvette is?

That is an amazing car!! :icon_tup:
The whole point is that it's like that from the factory. It has a warranty and will be covered fully by insurance. You start adding parts to a Civic and your warranty is gone and most (if any) of the parts won't be covered in an accident. On top of that you'll never make a Civic look good. I have never seen a Civic that looks as good as the Evo X. They're always tacky, disproportionate, and cheap looking.

You say it's nothing to get excited about, but give me another car in the vicinity of ~$35k that's got a warranty, covered fully by insurance, 4-door, 4-seat, large trunk, that will go around a track or in a straight line as fast as it does. I know it's not the car for everyone, but you are out of your mind if you think it's not special.

And comparing it to a ~$45k, 2-door, 2-seat, rear-wheel drive Corvette is stupid. Why don't we just compare the RX-8 to a Yaris.

And comparing it to a ~$45k, 2-door, 2-seat, rear-wheel drive Corvette is stupid. Why don't we just compare the RX-8 to a Yaris.
DUDE! A Yaris would smoke an 8 in a straight line and in the twisties! And it looks better too!

The Evo is not a hopped up Lancer. If you'd ever driven the two you would know that. It sounds like the Evo X will put this streak to an end but, at least up to now, the only thing they shared was the same crappy interior, trunk and front exterior door panels.

Comparing an Evo to a vette is just well stupid. Lets see four door sedan, FWD based AWD system with a turbo 4. And a RWD, 2 seater coupe, 400hp V8 that costs 10k more.

While I liked the looks of the Evo X concept better than the Prototype X with it's more flared wheel arches it still a good looking vehicle. Not beautiful but purposeful. I'm expecting some serious numbers and great reviews with all the techno wizardy mitsu has put into the handling.

And as far as the Vette and the Z06 goes lets see how well it handles the New GT-R.

DUDE! A Yaris would smoke an 8 in a straight line and in the twisties! And it looks better too!
Nothing pwns the 8 in the twisties... except for the Crossfire.

The only thing to marvel about with a regular C6 vette is how bad the shifter is and how little driver feedback it has. Don't get me wrong, they are impressive cars for the money, but they're hardly automotive nirvana and I'll take an Evo or Elise over a Vette during a trackday every time. And no, a C6 will not smoke my Evo.

Never drove a C6, but the C5 shifter did suck. Otherwise I heard the driver feedback really improved in the C6, though it still may not be as good relative to a 911. I think the Elise/Exige may be in a class of one in terms of driver feedback.

Also never drove an Evo (don't sell 'em here), but I heard it has great feedback. But a C6 would smoke an Evo, the thing is slightly lighter, 400hp, endless torque, etc. afterall. You'd have to have some pretty decent mods to overcome that diff.

Never drove a C6, but the C5 shifter did suck. Otherwise I heard the driver feedback really improved in the C6, though it still may not be as good relative to a 911. I think the Elise/Exige may be in a class of one in terms of driver feedback.

Also never drove an Evo (don't sell 'em here), but I heard it has great feedback. But a C6 would smoke an Evo, the thing is slightly lighter, 400hp, endless torque, etc. afterall. You'd have to have some pretty decent mods to overcome that diff.

Around a track all it it would really take are basic boltons to keep up with or beat a C6 Vette. There are guys running mid 11's at around 120 that still have their stock turbo. For less than $1000 you can get 330whp and run very low 12s in an Evo IX. Spend more and stock turbo guys are making up to 400whp.

As much as I hate to use Top Gear as proof of anything...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVST9Un8XDw

You'll see that the C6 vette is about 1 sec. slower around their track than the old FQ320 Evo, which is about the equal of an Evo IX with an exhaust. Their results may be a little off, but the fact remains the same, it doesn't take much to make an Evo be able to take a C6 Vette around a track or even in the 1/4 mile.

Around a track all it it would really take are basic boltons to keep up with or beat a C6 Vette. There are guys running mid 11's at around 120 that still have their stock turbo. For less than $1000 you can get 330whp and run very low 12s in an Evo IX. Spend more and stock turbo guys are making up to 400whp.

As much as I hate to use Top Gear as proof of anything...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVST9Un8XDw

You'll see that the C6 vette is about 1 sec. slower around their track than the old FQ320 Evo, which is about the equal of an Evo IX with an exhaust. Their results may be a little off, but the fact remains the same, it doesn't take much to make an Evo be able to take a C6 Vette around a track or even in the 1/4 mile.


How do they test these cars anyway?!?! A "Honda" Nsx faster then a C6 Corvette in a straight line? I don't think so.... :nono: Also, they reviewed the corvette and pointed out how bad it is. And then they pick the corvette in another show as the best overall sports car?

Also, the "track" testing that they do is just as bad! They were testing a FWD Audi TT 1.8 and it was faster then the Mazda RX-8?? There is NOWAY that the
RX-8 is slower then the TT 1.8, even in a straight line!

When it comes to "Top gear" don't take their reviews seriously.

Ike, I own one of those 11 second Evos running on the stock (ish) turbo. It's an OEM 16G IX turbo tuned for 100 octane. Needless to say, it flies and will pull most Corvettes in a straightaway and around most tracks. My friend's running a similair 100 octane setup on his '05 VIII, minus the aftermarket cams and IX turbo, and he's got track day videos of his ride outdancing, outpulling and outclassing Corvettes all over the place. But the new Zo6 Corvette is in a league of its own - not just against coilovered and big boosted Evos, but against Vipers, M5's, M3's and most everything else people would take to the track nowadys. This one video he has is unbelievable. He's coming out of a corner at Laguna Seca and his 300whp Evo, running KW3 coilovers and R-compounds loses the inside line to bone stock Z06. From there the Z06 takes off in the straightaway with the kind of gusto you'd expect from a 950cc street bike. It was amazing. For the $65k price tag it's even more mind boggling. Now I hate using the Euro trash car shows to support a claim, but these two videos are excellent for anybody who hasn't seen them yet...

http://www.z06zone.com/media-videos/Fifth-Gear-C6-Z06.avi

http://www.z06zone.com/media-videos/Top-Gear-C6Z06.avi

Ike, I own one of those 11 second Evos running on the stock (ish) turbo. It's an OEM 16G IX turbo tuned for 100 octane. Needless to say, it flies and will pull most Corvettes in a straightaway and around most tracks. My friend's running a similair 100 octane setup on his '05 VIII, minus the aftermarket cams and IX turbo, and he's got track day videos of his ride outdancing, outpulling and outclassing Corvettes all over the place. But the new Zo6 Corvette is in a league of its own - not just against coilovered and big boosted Evos, but against Vipers, M5's, M3's and most everything else people would take to the track nowadys. This one video he has is unbelievable. He's coming out of a corner at Laguna Seca and his 300whp Evo, running KW3 coilovers and R-compounds loses the inside line to bone stock Z06. From there the Z06 takes off in the straightaway with the kind of gusto you'd expect from a 950cc street bike. It was amazing. For the $65k price tag it's even more mind boggling. Now I hate using the Euro trash car shows to support a claim, but these two videos are excellent for anybody who hasn't seen them yet...

http://www.z06zone.com/media-videos/Fifth-Gear-C6-Z06.avi

http://www.z06zone.com/media-videos/Top-Gear-C6Z06.avi

No doubt the Z06 is in another league and an Evo would need an upgraded turbo and some suspension work to stand a chance with equal drivers.

How do they test these cars anyway?!?! A "Honda" Nsx faster then a C6 Corvette in a straight line? I don't think so.... :nono: Also, they reviewed the corvette and pointed out how bad it is. And then they pick the corvette in another show as the best overall sports car?

Also, the "track" testing that they do is just as bad! They were testing a FWD Audi TT 1.8 and it was faster then the Mazda RX-8?? There is NOWAY that the
RX-8 is slower then the TT 1.8, even in a straight line!

When it comes to "Top gear" don't take their reviews seriously.

The Audi TT was the new one and IIRC it was the 2.0T with the special suspension. There's no reason to believe it's not quicker than an RX-8 around a track...

Don't get me wrong, they are impressive cars for the money, but they're hardly automotive nirvana and I'll take an Evo or Elise over a Vette during a trackday every time. And no, a C6 will not smoke my Evo.

Good, then get a C5 Z06 for cheaper.

Good day sir, you lose.

Blah blah, compare stock cars to modded, blah blah.

ive driven both the C5 and C6 quite a few times, I think people tend to underestimate how well they handle. IMHO, they handle very well.

I think for amature drivers the corvette handles better than a lot of cars including the 350Z because it is very easy to drive fast and it has so much grip. For serious drivers who has the skills to take a car to its limit, the corvette is not so great because its unstable when the tail end breaks loose while the 350Z breaks loose in a linear fashion.

As far as for 90% of the car enthusiasts who dosnt have the ability to drive a car at its limit, id say the corvette would be one of the best handling cars under 50k. Lets face it, most of us will never even come close to taking our car to the limit let alone driving it at its limit consistently

Good, then get a C5 Z06 for cheaper.

Good day sir, you lose.

I don't even know what you're talking about...

Damn, I had to bring this thread back to life..

Blah blah, compare stock cars to modded, blah blah.

Right on. Let the Vette be modded equally, then do a comparison. My former 1987 Mitsubishi Starion could walk a stock EVO from a roll all day long. It was pretty well modified, and that car was DEADLY on straightaways, and a stock EVO wouldn't have stood a chance against that car. Although this is true, do you see how ridiculous it sounds to say this? Come on now, No more comparing modded to stock. TY. ;)

WTF! Why are we talking about Corvette's? I know we're all bored sitting around waiting for the Evo X to come out, but seriously. They're not even close to being in the same price range or even the same kind of car.

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I agree that the modded argument vs. stock can be and usually is lame. I was just trying to point out that a basic C6 Vette is not going to "smoke" an Evo around a track.

^ the Evo got smoked by the C6 in that Car & Driver lightening lap, no? Think it was 5 seconds or so.

i love the evo and all, but on the track the vette is in a different league, stock vs stock at least, i dont think its that close at all. the C5 Z06 back in the days was already a faster track car than the evo, the base c6 is a usually tad faster than the C5 Z06. the evo is very respectable as a 30k car vs a 45k car.

modded evo vs vette is a whole different story.

and just a tid bit of unrelated side info, during last years umd spring meet, when the z06 first came out, an old dude brought a brand new bone stock z06 with only 400 some miles on it and pulled 474.3whp on the dynojet.

i love the evo and all, but on the track the vette is in a different league, stock vs stock at least, i dont think its that close at all. the C5 Z06 back in the days was already a faster track car than the evo, the base c6 is a usually tad faster than the C5 Z06. the evo is very respectable as a 30k car vs a 45k car.

modded evo vs vette is a whole different story.

and just a tid bit of unrelated side info, during last years umd spring meet, when the z06 first came out, an old dude brought a brand new bone stock z06 with only 400 some miles on it and pulled 474.3whp on the dynojet.


Keep in mind that in other comparos the Evo has turned better lap times than the Carrera S, Cayman S, and the RS4. Yes, the Evo got beat by the Vette in the C&D lightning lap. But that Evo also got beat by the Z which I've never seen happen before and got beat by the Cayman (which was about equal with the Vette) which the Evo was about even with in another track comparo. Also, like I said earlier, the Evo was faseter in Top Gear as well.


Here's an STI special model that's actually slower than a lot of stock Evos around Tsukuba beating the new Z06

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6blkJGyd9U

That is a freakish thing to happen... :shocking:

Here's a video of stock Evo chasing a C5 Z06 Vette (might be stock or might not)
I could show you lots of these videos but I'm the first to admit that they don't mean a whole lot. Driver skill in any given HPDE group varies wildly. I will say that the Evo takes the wrong line more than a few times and the Vette looked a little shaky once or twice as well.

http://www.mydeo.com/videorequest.asp?XID=15079&CID=87107

Here's one just for kicks of the recent lap record on Tsukuba, the last minute is the best part :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS93gfz2TDE

In short, I don't know if the Vette is faster or the Evo is faster stock for stock. It's probably going to come down to the track but one isn't going to "smoke" the other on most tracks on most days. Don't forget, this is just silly bench racing so just have fun with it...

In short, I don't know if the Vette is faster or the Evo is faster stock for stock. It's probably going to come down to the track but one isn't going to "smoke" the other on most tracks on most days. Don't forget, this is just silly bench racing so just have fun with it...

Silly bench racing is amusing though. ;) I tell ya, with equal drivers, that track better not have long straightaways on it stock vs stock or it's not gonna be close. I've had some experience with even the 350hp C5 stock vs stock with my STI from a roll. It wasn't pretty. I got SMOKED. A winding track where driver skill means everything, and HP doesn't is where you want to be. In a perfect world, the EVO is just out of it's league overall in performance stock vs stock. This is why people start comparing modded cars to stock. It's the only way to compete, so one must cheat. :)

In a perfect world, the EVO is just out of it's league overall in performance stock vs stock. This is why people start comparing modded cars to stock. It's the only way to compete, so one must cheat. :)

Thank you. I'm glad someone agrees with me. People always pull out this card to defend their cars. Hell, we defend our beloved RX8 here when people start bashing it so it's human nature.

Even so, it is a ridiculous comparison. I can see discussing modded vs stock to prove value but other than that it's worthless and irrelevant. Different target audience, different price range, different cars.

Both the Vette and the Evo are fantastic values for the money but neither are perfect.

What does any of this have to do with the Evo X anyway?

^^Nothing. Here, I'll try and get us back on topic:

Saw a new Lancer yesterday in blue. Very eye-catching car, even in non-Evo form, unlike previous Lancers. I can't wait to see the Evo, it's gonna be hot!

^^Nothing. Here, I'll try and get us back on topic:

Saw a new Lancer yesterday in blue. Very eye-catching car, even in non-Evo form, unlike previous Lancers. I can't wait to see the Evo, it's gonna be hot!

You got that right. The new Lancer looks 1000 times nicer IMO then the past generation. The new EVO is simply gonna be HOT. I never looked at the Lancer and said " this car is gorgeous, but in that one commercial, it caught my eye, and I thought, holy crap, that car looks really nice. Nice job Mitsubishi. It's about time. They have such an amazing piece of engineering in the EVO, now it's time to make it look as nice as it drives. WOO HOO. :)

The regular lancer seems to be a good value too as you can get a loaded GTS with nav for like 22k I think.

I must say, other than the Evo I never would have considered a Mitsubishi product in the past. I don't look at the regular Lancer with the disdain that I used to and some of the other new models aren't bad. Mitsubishi is doing a pretty good job turning things around and they certainly seem to have a winner on their hands with the new Lancer.

lets hope so for mitsu sake, I used to own a evo VII and a 2001 montero and they dint leave a good taste in my mouth, they where allways braking down, but the montero was the worse to the point of needing an engine replacement after less than one year of use and I sold it with bad piston rings

EEEEEE VOOOOOOOOOO Evo Evo

I think I'm going over to the EVO forum and start a RX8 thread and be like IKE!

doh..........

It actually looks pretty good TBH.

Deets on the Evo X:
El Linko (http://jalopnik.com/cars/news/here-it-is-the-2008-mitsubishi-evo-x-255431.php)

http://www.jalopnik.com/assets/images/gallery/12/2007/04/medium_473372502_2eb77fe7db_o.jpg

http://www.jalopnik.com/assets/images/gallery/12/2007/04/medium_473388107_f9bee78593_o.jpg

http://www.jalopnik.com/assets/images/gallery/12/2007/04/medium_473372474_36bae3e6ac_o.jpg

Check it out. The right side tires are different than the left side ones. Probably like that for bettar drifting!1!!!

http://www.jalopnik.com/assets/images/gallery/12/2007/04/medium_473388191_d990ed4b47_o.jpg

http://www.jalopnik.com/assets/images/gallery/12/2007/04/medium_473388045_ebde935810_o.jpg

Here's a more official type link: http://media.mitsubishi-motors.com/pressrelease/e/corporate/detail1621.html.

However this is just a press release about the name. I'm pretty sure these pictures are just the Prototype X from Detroit.

They are different. Grill, no side markers in the mirrors, wheels and a couple other things.

Check it out. The right side tires are different than the left side ones. Probably like that for bettar drifting!1!!!

http://www.jalopnik.com/assets/images/gallery/12/2007/04/medium_473388191_d990ed4b47_o.jpg

http://www.jalopnik.com/assets/images/gallery/12/2007/04/medium_473388045_ebde935810_o.jpgThe front looks like Spawn and the creature on the box cover of the "The Dead Hate the Living (http://www.amazon.com/Dead-Hate-Living-Ariauna-Albright/dp/1573471879)" got it on. I like it though.

Certainly the first time I could see myself in one.

They are different. Grill, no side markers in the mirrors, wheels and a couple other things.
Well, personally I like to code first and design never, but this time you're right. This is definitely different than the Prototype X. The headlights actually look street legal on this thing. If this really is the final package I'm pretty impressed at how close it really did stick to not only the prototype, but the concept as well.

And lucky for me I don't need to run with a front license plate!

And lucky for me I don't need to run with a front license plate!
haha very true. I was just thinking about how damn ugly that looks. I had almost convinced myself it was just a photoshop by some kid.

Looks good in black.

Yeah! I can't wait!

That is all...

Colors!!!

More colors!!!

It's amazing, i have a friend that works at our local mitsubishi dealer and ever since they started selling the new regular lancers on the lot, the old evos are going WAYYYY down in price. Right out front they have 5 or 6 brand new evos with stickers on the windshield for 28.5k...a huge diffrence from the previous 35-40k sticker price. Ive taken a test drive in both the old evos and new regular lancers with that same friend and the diffrence in handling between the new and the old is very noticable. GJ mitsubishi!

saturn those colors are gayer than AIDS...

They definitely fit the car.

wow
http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=102103&d=1181698435

The front looks like Spawn and the creature on the box cover of the "The Dead Hate the Living (http://www.amazon.com/Dead-Hate-Living-Ariauna-Albright/dp/1573471879)" got it on. I like it though.

Those would be Yokohama Advan Neova's on the left side of the car or possibly Hanook's they are very similar in tread design.

Man, if you mixed that teal with the dark blue I bet it would look like Laguna Seca Blue from the E46 M3s. That's my favorite car color EVAR!

Some real world Evo X pics:

http://images4.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos/6070703.002/6070703.002.mini1L.jpg
http://images4.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos/6070703.002/6070703.002.mini2L.jpg
http://images4.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos/6070703.002/6070703.002.mini3L.jpg
http://images4.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos/6070703.002/6070703.002.mini4L.jpg
http://images4.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos/6070703.002/6070703.002.mini5L.jpg
http://images4.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos/6070703.002/6070703.002.mini6L.jpg
http://images4.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos/6070703.002/6070703.002.mini7L.jpg
http://images4.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos/6070703.002/6070703.002.mini8L.jpg
http://images4.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos/6070703.002/6070703.002.mini9L.jpg

Some pics from Nurburgring:

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/07/evox.nrt4.kgp.ed.jpg
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/07/evox.nrt2.kgp.ed.jpg
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/07/evox.nrt1.kgp.ed.jpg
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/07/evox.nrt5.kgp.ed.jpg
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/07/evox.nrt3.kgp.ed.jpg


These pictures are a little worrisome to me. The wheels are ugly, the radiator is way too visible through the grill, the wheels/tires don't fill out the fenders, and the wing looks detachable and not part of the car. What's worse is that even though the design lines from the profile give it that classic wedge shape, the lack of fender flares around the rear wheels make the rear wheels looks very small and too sedan-like.

Adding in the fact that the interior is probably going to be less than inspiring and that these things will cost well over MSRP makes me wonder if this wait is going to be worth it in the end.

I dunno. I'm definitely seeing some fender flare in the rear. I'm sorta indifferent on the rims but I can see how they wouldn't be well received. I personally thought the Evo IX Enkei rims were nasty...was told by everybody they would grow on me...and 2 years later I'm still waiting. I see what your talking about with radiator and, although 2 wrongs don't make a right, unfortunately that's nothing new. The CT9A Evolutions all had visible intercooler piping peeping through the grill. It did look far more subtle though than the X in those pictures though. I wonder what that stainless steel line we're seeing is even for?

http://www.carbuyersnotebook.com/archives/06EvolutionMR.jpg

http://images4.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos/6070703.002/6070703.002.mini1L.jpg

I'm not gonna argue with you on the wing though. Some people love them. Some people will argue their functionality until their blue in the face. They all look like a glued on afterthought to me and I can do without them every single time. In fact, when I look at those pictures, I hold my finger over the wing and I gotta say...at least compared to my '05 VIII RS...the new generation of wingless Evo looks damn good...more proportional...better flowing lines.

The things that have me concerned can't be addressed through a spy shot. I'm not excited about a 3500lb+ curb weight but I'll reserve judgement until it's seen how the car handles. I'm also not excited about the open deck aluminum block 4B11T engine when it comes to aftermarket potential. Although I'll assume that's far less of a hurdle for professional tuners than working with the cumbersome and complicated SMG transmission. A lot has yet to been. That's for sure.

I dunno. I'm definitely seeing some fender flare in the rear. I'm sorta indifferent on the rims but I can see how they wouldn't be well received. I personally thought the Evo IX Enkei rims were nasty...was told by everybody they would grow on me...and 2 years later I'm still waiting. I see what your talking about with radiator and, although 2 wrongs don't make a right, unfortunately that's nothing new. The CT9A Evolutions all had visible intercooler piping peeping through the grill. It did look far more subtle though than the X in those pictures though. I wonder what that stainless steel line we're seeing is even for?

I'm not gonna argue with you on the wing though. Some people love them. Some people will argue their functionality until their blue in the face. They all look like a glued on afterthought to me and I can do without them every single time. In fact, when I look at those pictures, I hold my finger over the wing and I gotta say...at least compared to my '05 VIII RS...the new generation of wingless Evo looks damn good...more proportional...better flowing lines.

The things that have me concerned can't be addressed through a spy shot. I'm not excited about a 3500lb+ curb weight but I'll reserve judgement until it's seen how the car handles. I'm also not excited about the open deck aluminum block 4B11T engine when it comes to aftermarket potential. Although I'll assume that's far less of a hurdle for professional tuners than working with the cumbersome and complicated SMG transmission. A lot has yet to been. That's for sure.

I don't think there are fender flares at all. I think the back section near the taillights tapers in, but there is no flaring out around the wheels -- it just tapers in.

Most of my issues are going to involve me having to look at the car in person before really making a judgement. Those wheels have to go and possibly the wing, though. I hadn't heard anything about 3500+ lbs, but I really doubt anything performance related is going to be a real concern on this car.

I think it looks sooo much better. I might be trading in one on in a couple years if they perform well....I think they really did a good job on the interior too, the old EVO's are really plain inside.

kinda looks like a bastard child of a mazda 6 and a volvo, should be an awesome car despite it being a dsm :D:

I know everyone reads Autoblog anyways, but here's an article for anyone who hasn't seen it. It gives a little more info about the S-AWC and SST (transmission)systems.

I don't really understand the need for both a sport mode and s-sport mode. However, such language does worry me that they're going to have it auto-shift when it hits redline which bothers me. Then again, I'm much more concerned about the potential lack of launch control than this. How can I pwn n00bs from the line if my car doesn't do all the work for me?

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/07/10/mitsubishi-releases-details-on-s-awc-and-twin-clutch-sst

More production pics.

http://www.motorauthority.com/wp-content/uploads/Mitsubishi/EvoX/spy1/DSC_0220.jpg
http://www.motorauthority.com/wp-content/uploads/Mitsubishi/EvoX/spy1/DSC_0225.jpg
http://www.motorauthority.com/wp-content/uploads/Mitsubishi/EvoX/spy1/DSC_0227.jpg
http://www.motorauthority.com/wp-content/uploads/Mitsubishi/EvoX/spy1/DSC_0143.jpg
http://www.motorauthority.com/wp-content/uploads/Mitsubishi/EvoX/spy1/DSC_0145.jpg
http://www.motorauthority.com/wp-content/uploads/Mitsubishi/EvoX/spy1/DSC_0146.jpg

Again, just looks like it's lost some of the subtle accents of the concept and even prototype that made it really stand out. The missing fender flares. large areas on the back trunk, cheap side mirrors, lack of chrome accents, ugly wheels are just really starting to add up.

wow that front end is just awful, I guess since subaru ruined the wrx Mitsu just couldn't be outdone or something, what's with all the new cars lately? It's either retro or bleh, people running out of ideas or what? :dunno:


(maybe this stuff will grow on me, or hopefully it will look better in person)

Official JDM brochure leaked: http://www.autoblog.com/2007/08/27/mitsubishi-evo-x-official-brochure-supposedly-leaked

The pictures aren't really high quality, but the interior pics are disappointing again. I cannot fathom how they manage to make it look so dated without blatantly trying.

The exterior appears to be getting more tacky as time goes by. I don't think this car will look good in light colors at all (what with all the black pieces) except for maybe white which tends to "class up" certain cars.

I may as well just put myself into debt for the rest of my life and buy a 911. There isn't one car under $60k that has an interior that's not insufferable with performance to get me excited.

Wow, I see fender vents from the actual picture of the Evo X taken at the Nurburgring... the way it's arched makes it look very similar to our 8...

Is this available in the US?


Are all Evos sold in the US?

Is this available in the US?


Are all Evos sold in the US?

YOUR PRETTY FUNNY :)

You post you are selling your 8 because you are broke and can not afford 350/mnth.

then you post here asking about the new EVO.

There's a good write-up in Sport Compact Car regarding the Tommi M. Edition Evo VI as compared to the current IX. The writer claims the Tommi Edition is arguably the best Evo made so far. :)

YOUR PRETTY FUNNY :)

You post you are selling your 8 because you are broke and can not afford 350/mnth.

then you post here asking about the new EVO.

Ya, I was curious. What's your point? God forbid I ask about a car :confused:

Question still stands though, Is it just the 8 series that was in the US

Question still stands though, Is it just the 8 series that was in the US

no.

Evo VIII and IX are the only USDM Evos. The VI in SCC magazine was either a EDM transplant to the US or JDM/British conversion to LHD. I'm pretty sure the Evo VI was the first one England got by the way.

Evo VIII and IX are the only USDM Evos. The VI in SCC magazine was either a EDM transplant to the US or JDM/British conversion to LHD. I'm pretty sure the Evo VI was the first one England got by the way.

Thanks alot

There's a good write-up in Sport Compact Car regarding the Tommi M. Edition Evo VI as compared to the current IX. The writer claims the Tommi Edition is arguably the best Evo made so far. :)

Not as much the TME as the Evo VI. I would trade my Evo right now for a Evo VI even though performance wise they're very similar the older model is a little lighter and more tossable. This is one of the reasons why I'm not totally sold on the Evo X. I'm affraid it's going to be a dumbed down version of what the Evo should be. It's already happened with the WRX, we'll see with the Evo X. If Mitsubishi manages to screw it up I'll be keeping my Evo and buying a daily driver BMW 135i in a couple years.

f Mitsubishi manages to screw it up I'll be keeping my Evo and buying a daily driver BMW 135i in a couple years.
+1

Exactly what I was talking about with my wife over dinner. Great minds think a like I guess. :)

If the X ends up becoming a watered down pig then of course another option is the forthcoming STI. Supposedly it's going to be lighter than the current STI and will inevitably have some tweaks to the power and handling (and hopefully steering feel) so it could be a viable option...assuming of course that a hatchback doesn't turn your stomach.

It's already happened with the WRX

I'm not going to act like I know a whole lot about the history of WRX/STIs, but was that comment directed at the upcoming hatchback model or the most recent model out? or even before that? Any one specific reason you'd say it's dumbed down? I dislike the hatchback, but not sure if that's the reason you say that. Just interested in what you think the change was that shouldnt have been made

+1

Exactly what I was talking about with my wife over dinner. Great minds think a like I guess. :)

If the X ends up becoming a watered down pig then of course another option is the forthcoming STI. Supposedly it's going to be lighter than the current STI and will inevitably have some tweaks to the power and handling (and hopefully steering feel) so it could be a viable option...assuming of course that a hatchback doesn't turn your stomach.

I'd have no problem jumping back to the Subaru camp, but that's a bigger wait and see right now. I'd love the utility of a hatch.

It will likely be dumbed down with lots of assists. FWIW, in that same SCC issue, they clocked the masked Evo X doing laps at Willow Springs notably faster than the late Evo IX MR. No numbers were quoted however.

I'm not going to act like I know a whole lot about the history of WRX/STIs, but was that comment directed at the upcoming hatchback model or the most recent model out? or even before that? Any one specific reason you'd say it's dumbed down? I dislike the hatchback, but not sure if that's the reason you say that. Just interested in what you think the change was that shouldnt have been made

It's not upcoming, the new WRX is on lots as we type. All the rawness from the previous WRX is gone. While some may like that, to me it has sapped a lot of fun out of the car. The ride is softer, it's quieter, and overall it feels more like a Camry than the WRX of old.

It will likely be dumbed down with lots of assists. FWIW, in that same SCC issue, they clocked the masked Evo X doing laps at Willow Springs notably faster than the late Evo IX MR. No numbers were quoted however.

The Evo already has lots of assists, but they're not the least bit intrusive.

It will likely be dumbed down with lots of assists.

I don't get where they're going with the Evo X anymore. Much to the dismay of many current Evo owners it appeared as though they were going towards a more electronically assisted, more user-friendly, potentially more bulky design. But with every rendition it looks more and more like a base Lancer. The fender flares are gone, the interior looks 90% like a Lancer with gaping holes in the dash, and vents that look like they're from a 1984 Ford Bronco. They took away the sharp, aggressive lines and added in tacky boy-racer looking features.

Seems to me there's a real danger that many people from the old Evo camp are going to dislike it because of it's lack of rawness and many people from the opposite end of the spectrum are still going to see a Lancer with a turbo in it.

Maybe I'll just buy an RX-8 and get a cheating turbo. The best of both worlds!

The Evo already has lots of assists, but they're not the least bit intrusive.

Yes, I heard the seamlessness must be experienced to be believed. From what I read though, the new one has more logic built into the assist to push the limits further.

Personally, I'm not against assists, but many seem to associate assists with "nannying" and consequently, "dumbing" down. I don't blame them. I sometimes really want to be able to practically accommodate a very basic and balanced sports car, like a 60s Lotus Elan coupe and really feel the rawness.

Assist technology still has lots of potential for improvement, so I'm all for it.

Nuts to spend the money on such an ugly car, as the Evo.

Nuts to spend the money on such an ugly car, as the Evo.

Some might say that it's nuts to spend the money on such a slow car, as the RX-8.

Speed is for fools.

Handling and style is all that matters.

Speed is for fools.

Handling and style is all that matters.

so what car do you suggest?

Speed is for fools.

Handling and style is all that matters.

You are an idiot. Just because you think that's true doesn't mean anything to anyone. Did you come into this thread just to piss on the Evo? How is this guy not banned already?

You call RX8 slow on a RX8 forum, and want people banned for saying another car is ugly. What a hypocrite.

EVO is a ugly box on wheels.

You call RX8 slow on a RX8 forum, and want people banned for saying another car is ugly. What a hypocrite.

EVO is a ugly box on wheels.

In case you didn't notice I did it in direct response to your post. I was hoping you would see the arbitrary nature of your comment if I copied your post (bad grammar and all) and modified it to insult the thing you love. I guess you're not that bright.

And BTW, I don't want you banned for saying something is ugly. I want you banned because you've gone around trolling the entire time you've been here.

You call RX8 slow on a RX8 forum, and want people banned for saying another car is ugly. What a hypocrite.

Why so upset? I thought you said, "Speed is for fools. Looks and handling is all that matters." Who's the hypocrite? :confused:

the IQ in this therad just dropped....

Ugly is, ugly does.

Not my fault you bought an ugly box.

Ugly is, ugly does.

Not my fault you bought an ugly box.

If you hadn't fell off the jungle gym when you were 4 you would have realized it's "stupid is as stupid does". I guess for stupid people that's kind of complicated.

Go sit on a bench.

If you hadn't fell off the jungle gym when you were 4 you would have realized it's "stupid is as stupid does". I guess for stupid people that's kind of complicated.

Go sit on a bench.

refer to my signature quotes. all is well.

Sensitive about how ugly your cars are? You can always trade it in on a RX8, but be prepared not to get much cash for your car.

Sensitive about how ugly your cars are? You can always trade it in on a RX8, but be prepared not to get much cash for your car.

Ok, first of all, I don't own an Evo. However, I would be just as happy to own an Evo as an RX-8.

Second, if you think that the RX-8 resale values can even hold a candle to the Evo's resale values you are out of your mind. Seriously, do you just make this stuff up as you go?

Get on a bench.

Let's quit the flame fest.

First off, whether you like the looks of the Evo or the RX-8 for that matter is irrelevant.
To each their own in that department.

Secondly, the Evo is fast and it handles well. It's a damn AWD rally car. It's going to handle well unless they royally fuck up something!

Third, the RX-8's resale value sucks. I know. I checked just to check recently. The EVO is much more limited in production and it WILL have better resale value than the 8 because of it.

So chill out before this thread goes away..

It's not upcoming, the new WRX is on lots as we type. All the rawness from the previous WRX is gone. While some may like that, to me it has sapped a lot of fun out of the car. The ride is softer, it's quieter, and overall it feels more like a Camry than the WRX of old.
Are we talking just the WRX or the STI as well? The STI and EVO should be as raw as possible. I realize the world screams for more safety but people who buy these cars pay higher insurance for a reason. They're raw, powerful, rally machines that just barely belong on the street at all.

Are we talking just the WRX or the STI as well? The STI and EVO should be as raw as possible. I realize the world screams for more safety but people who buy these cars pay higher insurance for a reason. They're raw, powerful, rally machines that just barely belong on the street at all.

I thought the insurance rates were really high on Evo's because of Ike? Haha, I kid, I kid.

As an aside, I checked the rates recently and the Evo was the highest, but not by a ton. The 350Z wasn't too far behind.

I still find it amusing that people who have probably never driven an STI or Evo think they are experts on the matter. Test drive one, then come back and tell me you still think the same. My little brother works for Subaru, and he brought an STI home the other day, my god, I have never had a driving experience like that ever. With a car like that you get over looks real quick.

Sensitive about how ugly your cars are? You can always trade it in on a RX8, but be prepared not to get much cash for your car.

You are kidding, right?

a dealer would give you anRX-8 and CASH if you wanted to leave him an EVO to sell.

Are we talking just the WRX or the STI as well? The STI and EVO should be as raw as possible. I realize the world screams for more safety but people who buy these cars pay higher insurance for a reason. They're raw, powerful, rally machines that just barely belong on the street at all.Just the WRX - if they're even calling it that anymore. I think they may have even renamed the trim levels on the Impreza for MY08. The '08 STI is still a year away based on what I've been reading though. Although the current Impreza looks more like a Camry than last year's model, I'd be absolutely shocked if the forthcoming STI doesn't retain the more aggressive and more traditional flared fenders, hood scoop and some sort of spoiler on the rear of the car.

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O/T....but i could see some rich ass ricer kid putting 6 exhaust tips on this beast...

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only 6?

only 6?

I think he's saying 6 because there's 6 "slots" in the rear bumper separated by plastic. Makes it very inviting for someone to want to fill each slot with an exhaust tip.

I hate the idea of a cosmetic dual exhaust FWIW. On the SRT-4 it was just another bend and then 3 feet of bottleneck. I don't understand the appeal. The Evo has always been about form following function - perhaps moreso than any other performance car in the last 10 years. Little extraneous aesthetic changes like this make me think there's either 1.) been a loss of focus at Mitsubishi or 2.) they're simply targeting a different demographic. I guess we'll know soon enough. The production JDM Evolution X makes its debut at the Tokyo Auto Show in October.

I hate the idea of a cosmetic dual exhaust FWIW. On the SRT-4 it was just another bend and then 3 feet of bottleneck. I don't understand the appeal. The Evo has always been about form following function - perhaps moreso than any other performance car in the last 10 years. Little extraneous aesthetic changes like this make me think there's either 1.) been a loss of focus at Mitsubishi or 2.) they're simply targeting a different demographic. I guess we'll know soon enough. The production JDM Evolution X makes its debut at the Tokyo Auto Show in October.

It's just more nonsense having to do with appealing to the masses and getting a larger market for the car. Having a dual exhaust on a 4 cylinder car is pointless and the fact that the Evo X has one bugs me as well.

I still think it looks toooo economy. Its a massive improvement over the current one and even the new WRX but it still needs a lot of work.

But im still going to make a final judgement after i see it in person in black!

i work at a mitsu dealer and the new lancer is really cool the manual tranny is nice and the cvt one isnt all that bad and no it does not have a launch mode so its kinda slow of takeoff but rolling its actually pretty nice

i work at a mitsu dealer and the new lancer is really cool the manual tranny is nice and the cvt one isnt all thhat bad and no it does not have a launch mode so its kinda slow of takeoff but rolling its actually pretty nice


The Evo won't have the CVT, it's going to be a similar system to the VAG DSG. I will be buying a manual if I decide to go for the car.

I hate the idea of a cosmetic dual exhaust FWIW. On the SRT-4 it was just another bend and then 3 feet of bottleneck. I don't understand the appeal. The Evo has always been about form following function - perhaps moreso than any other performance car in the last 10 years. Little extraneous aesthetic changes like this make me think there's either 1.) been a loss of focus at Mitsubishi or 2.) they're simply targeting a different demographic. I guess we'll know soon enough. The production JDM Evolution X makes its debut at the Tokyo Auto Show in October.

What about our cars? It goes from one pipe to a dual exhaust.

What about our cars? It goes from one pipe to a dual exhaust.

Many cars have dual exhausts that do nothing but add more weight, I think it's lame for all of them. But it's especially lame for a car that has a reputation as a performance car with few compromises.

Many cars have dual exhausts that do nothing but add more weight, I think it's lame for all of them. But it's especially lame for a car that has a reputation as a performance car with few compromises.

I would agree whole heartedly. I do have to point out that the RX-8 didn't have a reputation at all when it came out. It had no predecessor, remember? If you are comparing to the RX-7 (which you are) then I will have to mention that the RX-7s had little few compromises - like you said - but that when you look around you will see the RX-8 has compromises EVERYWHERE.


Great suspension architecture -- Unfathomably low spring rates
HUGE WIDE fenders -- 225 width tires on +50 offest wheels
Good power for an NA rotary -- 10:1 comperssion.

The RX8 seems to have just enough "sports car" to passify the rotary fans and have just enough temperment to passify the wave of averaeg, everyday drivers Mazda obviously wanted to reach with this car. Its not setup like your RX-7 of the past but its not setup like your typical heartless daily driver.

I can't wait so see what Mazda does when they finally reintroduce a no compromises sports car.

[QUOTE=Ajax;2034393]Let's quit the flame fest.

First off, whether you like the looks of the Evo or the RX-8 for that matter is irrelevant.QUOTE]

Looks is very important, if the 8 was ugly, many of us would not own one.

The EVO and WRX are so plain and ugly, that speed would never justifying owning one. Some of us want a little of all things. Not just speed and forget about the looks and comfort.

And further more, used RX8 prices rock. There is no need to buy new.

Looks is very important, if the 8 was ugly, many of us would not own one.

The EVO and WRX are so plain and ugly, that speed would never justifying owning one. Some of us want a little of all things. Not just speed and forget about the looks and comfort.

And further more, used RX8 prices rock. There is no need to buy new.

As per usual you're confusing opinion with fact. There are plenty of people out there that think the RX-8 is ugly and people that like the looks of the Evo. Hell, the RX-8 has even shown up on polls put out by publications as among the ugliest cars on the road.

I'll tell you what rocks, being able to sell my Evo for about what I paid for it almost two years and 20k miles ago. I'll take the best resale value in the industry over resale values that drop like a rock any day.

[QUOTE=Ajax;2034393]Let's quit the flame fest.

First off, whether you like the looks of the Evo or the RX-8 for that matter is irrelevant.QUOTE]

Looks is very important, if the 8 was ugly, many of us would not own one.

The EVO and WRX are so plain and ugly, that speed would never justifying owning one. Some of us want a little of all things. Not just speed and forget about the looks and comfort.

And further more, used RX8 prices rock. There is no need to buy new.

Not that this matters all too much, but you should have said "looks are"... Anyways, The evo and wrx arent that bad looking, and if you're looking for a performance car, then their performance would justify buying one. Just cause it's not what you're looking for, doesnt mean no one is looking for it. Take a look at Lotus... pretty much any comfort feature is optional (power windows, floor mats, CD player and such). If you're going to make a point, at least state it properly or make it a good point. :icon_no2: