Hi guys...

As most of you know, I *was* the owner of a great, black RX-8 GT... I loved the car, but gave it back on lease and got a BMW M3. Having the M3's power is great, but the RX-8 gave me so much more in handling and fun-to-drive.

That said, I'm wondering if I should think about an RX-7. I should tell you first, this is a *weekend car only*. I have a daily driver, now an Audi A4 3.0 (2003) that has nice AWD for the year round weather. I want to spend ~$15-17k on the car. And the handling of the car is very important, which is why the RX-8 was so great for me. It was comfy inside and looked great outside, all the creature comforts and reliability of a N/A rotary engine.

So what do you think? Should I think about the RX-7 at all? I haven't driven it so I can't say from experience, but I am rather curious either way....

Let me know what you all think, don't spare me details :)

The RX-7, I assume you are talking about the 3rd gen, is a powerful car and if I had the money I would buy one in a heartbeat. But you have to think about reliability. If you have the time and money to keep it running then do it. IMO it is a beatiful car. But the RX7 is not a N/A car, as you know, and F/I has been known to run into problems with the RX7(as it does any car.)

If you can find one in good condition and have time and money to put into it, then that would be awesome. Go for it!

the 7 is a nice car, but they're generally going to be 12+ years old... depends if you're okay with something that isn't going to look new, have stuff worn out, and might be falling apart..

You can get a used rx-8 for similar money.

Should post this in the Rx7 forum man.. ;)

Do whatever it takes to put a rotary back in your garage.

everyone remove your hats, bow your head, now repeat after me

Dr. Felix Heinrich Wankel
Dr. Felix Heinrich Wankel
Dr. Felix Heinrich Wankel

I agree with "T-Run." The FD is a classic looking car and is very fast. I was a mouse fart away from getting one vs. the 8. Thing is, as above, used cars--especially Turbo and 12+ y/o cars--require a lot of $$$ and time. Time to invest once you have the car and to even FIND the car. I had a 91 300ZXTT before my 8 and it was a blast. It took me 6 months of "interviewing" and net surfing before I found the "right" one. Not too crappy but not too modified.

Thing was, for me, I calculated everything I wanted to do to "restore" the car and it came up to about $20k. That does not include the parts that will wear and break while I'm fixing the things included in the $20k.

You can find a decent FD with a "second" motor, most do not have the original, for about $16-19k. Now you can keep it as is and be done. But if you're used to really "nice" cars, then you'd want to repalce the seats, repaint, etc. which could add up FAST. FBs & FCs are much cheaper but REALLY require some $$$. You can get a "mechanic's special" for under $1k.

Hope this helps.

I agree with the masses on this one, for once. The 7 really is a sweet ride, and a total adrenaline rush to drive. But it's maintence is through the roof, and that turbo (drools...) only makes it more expensive to maintain. Sounds to me like most 7's need an engine rebuild or replaced at about 100K or so.

If you can afford the maintence, and are willing to to work with a 12yo cars aging issues, it would be hands down...in a heartbeat. wow...that car really is a riot though! :)

Sounds like you got money! Get the RX7.

Rx-8<Rx-7, you gety almost all the power, minus the heat, and a warenty.

I agree with "T-Run." The FD is a classic looking car and is very fast. I was a mouse fart away from getting one vs. the 8. Thing is, as above, used cars--especially Turbo and 12+ y/o cars--require a lot of $$$ and time. Time to invest once you have the car and to even FIND the car. I had a 91 300ZXTT before my 8 and it was a blast. It took me 6 months of "interviewing" and net surfing before I found the "right" one. Not too crappy but not too modified.

Thing was, for me, I calculated everything I wanted to do to "restore" the car and it came up to about $20k. That does not include the parts that will wear and break while I'm fixing the things included in the $20k.

You can find a decent FD with a "second" motor, most do not have the original, for about $16-19k. Now you can keep it as is and be done. But if you're used to really "nice" cars, then you'd want to repalce the seats, repaint, etc. which could add up FAST. FBs & FCs are much cheaper but REALLY require some $$$. You can get a "mechanic's special" for under $1k.

Hope this helps.
The first thing he should do when he gets the rx7 is do a FULL TUNE UP. Replace all fluids, most if not all hoses, do most if not ALL the reliability mods (most have them already like downpipe, larger radiator, aluminum AST, etc), and then basically what he wants to replace thats cosmetic (which should be dead last thing to put money on when it comes to rx7s).

Like they said... check out rx7club and READ THE STICKIES (that should answer ALL your questions... if not... search... theyre very anal about it). Really get to know the car before you think of purchasing it, or else you'll just end up wasting a sh!3t load of money and end up selling the car like many people do (because it wasn't something they expected to buy).

Rx-8<Rx-7, you gety almost all the power, minus the heat, and a warenty.

What?

Hi guys...

As most of you know, I *was* the owner of a great, black RX-8 GT... I loved the car, but gave it back on lease and got a BMW M3. Having the M3's power is great, but the RX-8 gave me so much more in handling and fun-to-drive.

That said, I'm wondering if I should think about an RX-7. I should tell you first, this is a *weekend car only*. I have a daily driver, now an Audi A4 3.0 (2003) that has nice AWD for the year round weather. I want to spend ~$15-17k on the car. And the handling of the car is very important, which is why the RX-8 was so great for me. It was comfy inside and looked great outside, all the creature comforts and reliability of a N/A rotary engine.

So what do you think? Should I think about the RX-7 at all? I haven't driven it so I can't say from experience, but I am rather curious either way....

Let me know what you all think, don't spare me details :)

Hold out for a year and trade the Audi in for an Evo X and you'll have one car to do it all. Weekend fun and great year round daily driver. Or maybe pick up a project car like a FC turbo II or MR-2 Turbo for under 10k and you'll have some more wiggle room to put money into it. I still think the MR-2 Turbo can be a great auto-X car as well if that's something you're interested in.

I love the FD, but unless you have a bunch of disposable income they're just not a good idea and it'll cost twice as much as the two cars I mentioned above. Keep in mind getting financing on a car that's 10+ years old and nearly 20k isn't an easy thing to do.

Hold out for a year and trade the Audi in for an Evo X and you'll have one car to do it all. Weekend fun and great year round daily driver. Or maybe pick up a project car like a FC turbo II or MR-2 Turbo for under 10k and you'll have some more wiggle room to put money into it. I still think the MR-2 Turbo can be a great auto-X car as well if that's something you're interested in.

I love the FD, but unless you have a bunch of disposable income they're just not a good idea and it'll cost twice as much as the two cars I mentioned above. Keep in mind getting financing on a car that's 10+ years old and nearly 20k isn't an easy thing to do.

hahahah yeah going from an Audi A4 to a Evo X for a daily driver is a wonderful decision. Screw that.

Keep the Audi, and look for some un-molested FDs in your area. I think having something with a factory turbo on it that hasn't been "tuned/riced" too much is the best way to go. If you've got the spare cash to insure an FD as a weekend car then repair costs won't break your bank.

no one has mentioned some of the great SC / Turbo kits that are or will soon be out for the 8 . Some of these will be OEM quality & probably more reliable than going to an RX7 .....

no one has mentioned some of the great SC / Turbo kits that are or will soon be out for the 8 . Some of these will be OEM quality & probably more reliable than going to an RX7 .....

"Soon" is a pretty relative term...any idea when?

no one has mentioned some of the great SC / Turbo kits that are or will soon be out for the 8 . Some of these will be OEM quality & probably more reliable than going to an RX7 .....
Can't be too quick to say that. We still don't if a rx8 with FI can be as reliable as a FD even modded.

I've driven both as my father owns a fd. Compared to the 8 the 7 has ALOT of power, even in second gear I can easily get the fd sideways. I gotta say, to drive the 7 through the canyons or the track you have to have skills and know the car very well where with the rx8 anyone can jump in and drive hard. Performance and styling wise the 7 owns the 8 if you now how to drive it but overall the 8 is more of a driver friendly car.

Can't be too quick to say that. We still don't if a rx8 with FI can be as reliable as a FD even modded.

right - but early signs are good .

with an rx-7 you will spend more than you think you will. im currently fixing one up and i can already see the tons of money i will need to spend in the future.

gotta get those reliabiliy mods done

BWAHAHAHAHAHAH replace an A4 with an EVO LMAO. Who wants a tinny little POS econobox ponycar? Sure its a good handler and its fast, but sht, if I had a 10 car garage, the Evo would have to work hard just to be considered for the last slot. Its an ugly cheap car, a fwd mustang.

NO thanks. LOL

, a fwd mustang.
NO thanks. LOL

you lend no credibility to your self with your bashing considering you cant even get the drivetrain layout right...

you lend no credibility to your self with your bashing considering you cant even get the drivetrain layout right...

LOL. Its a fwd car with an added awd system, just like the audi system. these cars are fwd designs with the awd added afterwards. the weight distribution is forward biased (just like uhmurikan pony cars).

In other words, they are nose heavy and tend to understeer. They are japanese pony cars.

The point is, if you are driving an A4 as a daily driver, then you aren't driving it as a sports car (its not), you are driving it because it is a nice car. To replace it with an evo, you are giving up everything nice, including a nice ride and attractive looks inside and out, and getting a big motor. It's like moving from hawaii to alabama because the nascar racing is better.

:hahano:

The Evo X isn't a bad looking car, IMO.

http://eur.news1.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/xp/dennis/20060309/16/3687328059.jpg


I was going to ask if anyone had driven the 7 and the 8. Someone asked me how they compare and I have never driven the FD. Thanks for your comments.

I would imagine it's more akin to the current 350z but I've never heard anyone mentiion HEAVY and rx7 in the same sentence. The 8's just easier to drive with traction and DSC I would imagine.

Thanks -- SmileyNH

The Evo X isn't a bad looking car, IMO.

http://eur.news1.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/xp/dennis/20060309/16/3687328059.jpg

(snip)

This car is nothing like what what is available today. We'll see what the interior is like, but I wouldn't expect anything remotely resembling the high quality of an audi interior.

If you want a traditional sportscar like the rx-7 there are many alternatives. EVO's are NOT traditional sportcars. They are derived from a awd econo box platform. There are other fun cars in that class to choose from too. Sounds like you want traditional sportscar. Look around. Roadsters are plentiful if you like the open sky following you on the open road. The S2000 has alot to offer.

Hold out for a year and trade the Audi in for an Evo X and you'll have one car to do it all. Weekend fun and great year round daily driver. Or maybe pick up a project car like a FC turbo II or MR-2 Turbo for under 10k and you'll have some more wiggle room to put money into it. I still think the MR-2 Turbo can be a great auto-X car as well if that's something you're interested in.

I love the FD, but unless you have a bunch of disposable income they're just not a good idea and it'll cost twice as much as the two cars I mentioned above. Keep in mind getting financing on a car that's 10+ years old and nearly 20k isn't an easy thing to do.

Im with Endor. This is one of the funniest shit from you.

Audi A4 to Evo X ? You must be smoking shit.

Me thinks hercules fell in love w/the rotary.

Which makes all your points about alternatives irrelevant. But that's just my opinion.

By your comments and your previous car choices, you seem to like all-rounders. That’s easily an 8 over an FD. Not the Evo as suggested, or anything else with a punishing ride.

But if you want a pure weekend toy, an FD is hard to beat. Though I found the FD, though more powerfull, lacks the charm of the renesis - it hangs on to boost after shifts, revs slower and lower, and is not as linear. Or if it’s just a toy, why not a convertible like a used S2000, you’ll pay more at the onset but save over time. Plus, I’d take n/a over boost any time. Or at the risk of getting flammed, if it's cheap and fun you want, get a used Miata. It's a blast to drive, just don’t expect any respect from the benchracer crowd.

This topic kind of reminds me of my insurance agent and his little collection of cars. Every couple years he adds another car to his stable, drives it for a while as his daily driver and then switches a around until the next super-deal comes along. Every one cost him under $10,000. Over the last 10 years he's managed to collect a few really nice vintages, not really sure of the years, but the following gives his impressions, top to bottom;

Porsche 944 Turbo
Best road manners of the bunch. Excellent acceleration, fantastic handling, comfortable ride. Better gas milage then EPA ratings, the only car he's ever owned that he can say that about. It has under 50,000 miles, one of the later models built, and virtually bullet-proof. If parts are required they aren't cheap, but nothing ever seems to break.

74 Porsche 911 T
He bought this one with a blown motor in the late 80's and installed a rebuilt 2.8 S motor with about 220 HP over 10 years ago. Motor has about 50,000 miles, chassis about 150,000 miles. Probably has more then 10G's in it today since doing body & interior restoration about 5 years ago. He let it sit for nearly 5 years at one point other then moving it around to keep from flat-spotting the tires. Another bullet-proof example of a Porsche - nothing ever breaks, even the AC still worked fine last summer. Oh it does leak a little oil, just enough that it's annoying, not enough to pull the motor and re-seal it. Excellent city car, definately not a track car.

Nissan 300Z Turbo
Powerful, but somewhat clumsy when pushed. So-so ride quality. His top pick for styling and loves the T-Top other then the creeks & rattles. Lots of little problems like leaky steering rack, gas strut failures, alignment stability issues (no sign of previous damage). Transmission seems weak, rubber parts have aged. He doesn't drive it much since "every time he puts the plates it costs him a couple hundred in parts" to get it right. I think it's got about 70,000 miles.

Mazda RX7 Turbo Gen III
This was his love-hate car. The most fun to drive, yet he rarely has the chance to really enjoy it. He used to use it for track days at Motorsports Ranch but as a daily driver it sucks. It was a theft recovery a few little dents but was parked for nearly a few months before it was recovered and the settlment had already been made. It has around 30,000 miles on it. Lots of little mechanical gremlins though, it's just as bad or worse then the Z car on maintenance cost. Likes the rotary feel and drivability but on the road it's a real gas hog. Has seen 5MPG at the track while his Class A motorhome gets 7 MPG when he tows the car. He's considering selling it this spring to make room for something else.

He's driven the RX8 and wants one when they drop to under 10G's, figures a few years before that will happen. If a late model Supra comes along thats what he'll buy next.

His pride & joy is a beyond the $10,000 collection, an early model Acura NSX. About 50,000 miles on it. It had an electrical fire as a new car that fried the harness and smoked the interior. Acura wouldn't have the interior parts available for several months so the insurance company bought the car. It took him about four years repair it as it took almost an entire disassembly to replace the harnesses. He also waited find a wrecked NSX to strip down, then resell parts. By the time he was finished he had something like $30 in the whole thing, so I suppose you could include it in the collection. In that case it's his favorite by a long shot.

Personally I think you are better off with an 8 unless you really really like the 7. A stock 7, even the FC isn't really that much faster than an 8 considering the 8 handles better out of the box. Drag strip faster... yes, twisty faster... not much.

A FC in really good shape is still expensive, figure in the 25k+ range for a FC you would actually want to buy.

Best bet to get a good FC is to try RX clubs and look for someone who wants to get out of RX cars and go to something else. Usually those people have to money to treat their cars right.

As for the EVO, I would take that any day over an Audi, no question. Audi's are way to fat and heavy. Last time I was at the track I watched two Audi's melt down with major issues, none of the EVO's or RX cars did. The EVO is faster, handles better, and is better looking than an A4. All you loose by going to an EVO from an A4 is creature comforts.

Anyone who doesn't consider an EVO one of the top cars under $100k simply doesn't know anything about cars.

reliability
Considering you actually used the word "reliability", I dunno. The 3rd gen is a wonderful machine, and certainly one of the most rewarding cars to own IMO....that said, it can be a huge money pit, and equally as frustrating as it is gratifying, if you have extra time and money, and a good rotary mechanic, go for it!

. . . All you loose by going to an EVO from an A4 is creature comforts.

hmmm. By "creature comforts" do you mean all the things that make a car more comfortable to use as a daily driver?

QUOTE: As for the EVO, I would take that any day over an Audi, no question QUOTE:


Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha :greenchai One born everyday.

To the idiots flipping out over the Evo suggestion...

The Evo X will in all likelyhood have more creature comforts and have options to make it more daily drive friendly. All indications are the Evo will be going a little more upscale. Go ahead and insult it all you like, the fact remains that Evos can take out most cars under 50k (including "true" sportscars) in every performance category. The Jackasses who are insulting the Evo have never even driven one.

Evos usually have just about the best seats on the market, they have a good amount of space, the interiors are boring but well laid out, and the AWD is great for bad weather. The ride is stiff but if that bothers you the MR versions are pretty comfortable for a car that handles so well.

Lastly, I used to own an A4, I'll take my Evo every time for a daily ride. I'd rather have more fun than have a prettier interior. I wouldn't suggest the Evo 8 or 9 to most people for a daily driver, but the Evo X is going to be a different story.

What's so special about an A4? :sleep: Front heavy, psuedo performance, when you're looking for a sports car? How'd the A4 even come up in this conversation?

To the idiots flipping out over the Evo suggestion...

The Evo X will in all likelyhood have more creature comforts and have options to make it more daily drive friendly. All indications are the Evo will be going a little more upscale. Go ahead and insult it all you like, the fact remains that Evos can take out most cars under 50k (including "true" sportscars) in every performance category.

When the Evo X comes out I would have to consider it as it not only has the performance but loses the riced up econobox looks of the earlier models.

the original poster has this exact thread over in the rx7club.com and its alot calmer than over here, no one over there is putting down anyone else's opinions, its just positive comments and good lucks. Sometimes disagreeing with someone is fine, but not when it ruins a good thread and is ment to disrespect a member.

The current EVO MR didn't feel front heavy to me. On the other hand, the Audi A4 feels very front heavy.

If you want to spend 15-17k on a weekend car, why don't you consider an NB MX-5? They are so fun to drive and have great aftermarket support.

So hang on, idiot, have you actually been in an Evo? Also, on the one hand we're talking about creature comforts and you say the Evo handles better . . . um, get your arguments straight. Sure the Evo handles better, the A4 is not great, period. However it is a VERY nice car for the money, and this is the OP's daily driver, NOT the car hes thinking about replacing.

Creature comforts? Not in an Evo. In an A4? Few are better _for the money_ .

That's why I laugh at the evo suggestion, that's it; no discussion regarding the handling, but that's not the point of the discussion.

To the idiots flipping out over the Evo suggestion...

The Evo X will in all likelyhood have more creature comforts and have options to make it more daily drive friendly. All indications are the Evo will be going a little more upscale. Go ahead and insult it all you like, the fact remains that Evos can take out most cars under 50k (including "true" sportscars) in every performance category. The Jackasses who are insulting the Evo have never even driven one.

Evos usually have just about the best seats on the market, they have a good amount of space, the interiors are boring but well laid out, and the AWD is great for bad weather. The ride is stiff but if that bothers you the MR versions are pretty comfortable for a car that handles so well.

Lastly, I used to own an A4, I'll take my Evo every time for a daily ride. I'd rather have more fun than have a prettier interior. I wouldn't suggest the Evo 8 or 9 to most people for a daily driver, but the Evo X is going to be a different story.

When the Evo X comes out I would have to consider it as it not only has the performance but loses the riced up econobox looks of the earlier models.

IF it does, my opinion changes, but IMHO that is a pretty big if. We'll see.

in a little defense for the sti/evo. besides the wing there isn't much on it that most would consider rice cosmetics, for IE brembo brakes, light weight wheels, light weight body panels, a factory turbo, and a tested awd(more tech in their awd than the quattro). Its more rally tech than street based tech, you should see the countless extra body welds they add to the evo.

it really stuns me how stupid some people on this forum can get...in no way was he stating his Audi was a sports car, if you read from the beginning you would realize that the Audi is his daily driver and he is looking to add a weekend car to his garage. If the Audi is better then the Evo or vice versa doesnt really need to come into play. Also to be honest they shouldn't even be compared, if you like to compare the two you might as well compare the Evo to the Audi S4 or the RS4 ( but still not in the same price range ) not the A4...

So hang on, idiot, have you actually been in an Evo? Also, on the one hand we're talking about creature comforts and you say the Evo handles better . . . um, get your arguments straight. Sure the Evo handles better, the A4 is not great, period. However it is a VERY nice car for the money, and this is the OP's daily driver, NOT the car hes thinking about replacing.

Creature comforts? Not in an Evo. In an A4? Few are better _for the money_ .

That's why I laugh at the evo suggestion, that's it; no discussion regarding the handling, but that's not the point of the discussion.

I own an Evo as my daily ride right now, I used to own an A4. If you didn't suck at reading comprehension you would realize that I was throwing the possibilty of the Evo X out there as one car that could take care of all his needs rather than having the Audi as his daily and needing something more fun for the weekends. I was not comparing the Evo to the Audi in any way when I made my original comment.

Saying the Evo is like a FWD Japanese mustang is about the stupidest thing I've ever heard on these forums.

I own an Evo as my daily ride right now, I used to own an A4. If you didn't suck at reading comprehension you would realize that I was throwing the possibilty of the Evo X out there as one car that could take care of all his needs rather than having the Audi as his daily and needing something more fun for the weekends. I was not comparing the Evo to the Audi in any way when I made my original comment.

Saying the Evo is like a FWD Japanese mustang is about the stupidest thing I've ever heard on these forums.

Evo is a fwd japanese mustang. Same farking thing except these days awd from fwd is as common as dumbasses like you.

The OP specifically said he's looking to go back to an 8 or a 7 from his M3, which he replaced his 8 with, and might be regretting. Only a dumbass who sucks at reading comprehension would read that first post and think he might want something remotely similar to his A4 to replace his M3, A4, and be lots of fun to drive all the time while at the same time being comfortable and relaxed, ok, whatever.

See someone about your anger problems, just throwing that out there like suggesting an evo . . . .

Evo is a fwd japanese mustang. Same farking thing except these days awd from fwd is as common as dumbasses like you.

The OP specifically said he's looking to go back to an 8 or a 7 from his M3, which he replaced his 8 with, and might be regretting. Only a dumbass who sucks at reading comprehension would read that first post and think he might want something remotely similar to his A4 to replace his M3, A4, and be lots of fun to drive all the time while at the same time being comfortable and relaxed, ok, whatever.

See someone about your anger problems, just throwing that out there like suggesting an evo . . . .

Yeah, I'm the angry one...

You're so misguided you're not even worth my time.

Sorry to be off topic, but...

EVO is a Japanese Mustang? :cwm27:

Lot of arrogance here... presuming to know what OP wants... speaking on his/her behalf...
I'm outta here.

Sorry to be off topic, but...

EVO is a Japanese Mustang? :cwm27:


The Z350 is said to be such. :ylsuper:

Evo is a fwd japanese mustang. Same farking thing except these days awd from fwd is as common as dumbasses like you.

The OP specifically said he's looking to go back to an 8 or a 7 from his M3, which he replaced his 8 with, and might be regretting. Only a dumbass who sucks at reading comprehension would read that first post and think he might want something remotely similar to his A4 to replace his M3, A4, and be lots of fun to drive all the time while at the same time being comfortable and relaxed, ok, whatever.

See someone about your anger problems, just throwing that out there like suggesting an evo . . . .

Ike wont let you go on this one, didnt you know that he actually sleeps in his Evo with a Laptop ? :angel:

but Evo = Fwd japanese mustang ....... I have to disagree with that. :nono:

What can I say, I hate the evo. For the money there are better cars, much better cars, out there, especially the 8.

The evo is about cramming the most power possible into a tiny cheap POS economy car, like the lancer.

Would YOU buy a base lancer over a base mustang, if you had to choose? Come on.

You guys are hung up on the awd vs rwd and good handling vs zero handling of the evo vs the mustang.

But you loose sight of the fact that the strategy is exactly the same: put big powa into a small car that can barely handle it.

So, CYA, dynamho, CYA Ike.

Disagree with me all you guys want. Who says we have to agree? Peeps get upset because they cant get the other guy to agree with them. Big deal; cry to mommy.

I'm not trying to convince anyone, just presenting my point of view. If you don't like it great! That doesn't call for any insults.

I still say LOL Evo to replace A4. Yikes.

take your time and look around for a STOCK LOW MILE RX-7. That's what I did and couldn't be happier.

I did all the reliability mods and some power mods and take good care of it and it has never let me down.

Much nicer looking then the current model, the only real question is will Mitsubishi still be in the US when it hits the market. They have stated they will pull out of the US unless their sales improve. The Evo is the only really good car they sell and it is limited in its appeal.

The Evo X isn't a bad looking car, IMO.

http://eur.news1.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/xp/dennis/20060309/16/3687328059.jpg


I was going to ask if anyone had driven the 7 and the 8. Someone asked me how they compare and I have never driven the FD. Thanks for your comments.

I would imagine it's more akin to the current 350z but I've never heard anyone mentiion HEAVY and rx7 in the same sentence. The 8's just easier to drive with traction and DSC I would imagine.

Thanks -- SmileyNH

The EVO and STi are both based on an econ boxes and are pretty low rent inside but they are real killing machines both would make quick work of our RX-8 on the track. Also the AWD is very nice to have in snow and rain not to mention the ability for quick lunches. If it wasn't for the boy race stigma I might be driving one instead of the 8.

You may not like them but there is no denying their performance prow less.

What can I say, I hate the evo. For the money there are better cars, much better cars, out there, especially the 8.

The evo is about cramming the most power possible into a tiny cheap POS economy car, like the lancer.

Would YOU buy a base lancer over a base mustang, if you had to choose? Come on.

You guys are hung up on the awd vs rwd and good handling vs zero handling of the evo vs the mustang.

But you loose sight of the fact that the strategy is exactly the same: put big powa into a small car that can barely handle it.

So, CYA, dynamho, CYA Ike.

Disagree with me all you guys want. Who says we have to agree? Peeps get upset because they cant get the other guy to agree with them. Big deal; cry to mommy.

I'm not trying to convince anyone, just presenting my point of view. If you don't like it great! That doesn't call for any insults.

I still say LOL Evo to replace A4. Yikes.

The EVO and STi are both based on an econ boxes and are pretty low rent inside but they are real killing machines both would make quick work of our RX-8 on the track. Also the AWD is very nice to have in snow and rain not to mention the ability for quick lunches. If it wasn't for the boy race stigma I might be driving one instead of the 8.

You may not like them but there is no denying their performance prow less.

Um, isn't that what I've been saying? Over and over? Low rent is a good way to pur it.

No thanks.

Quote:You may not like them but there is no denying their performance prow less.;Quote:

I Don't think the driving/handling characteristics are as much fun and relaxing as the rx8. Too much drastic technology to bring them up to par. The 275 hp is what makes them more desireable on the track. They are fast and furious little econos.

The Evo X isn't a bad looking car, IMO.

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I was going to ask if anyone had driven the 7 and the 8. Someone asked me how they compare and I have never driven the FD. Thanks for your comments.

I would imagine it's more akin to the current 350z but I've never heard anyone mentiion HEAVY and rx7 in the same sentence. The 8's just easier to drive with traction and DSC I would imagine.

Thanks -- SmileyNH

The Evo X is a better looking car than the current Evo. The Evo X still can't touch the RX-8 in the looks department, but its an improvement for them. It might do the trick to upgrade their image. As for Performance numbers, you can't really argue that the Evo is a good value for under 50k.

But, again the "love" for the Evo comes down to HP and its 0-60 numbers. If the turbo and supercharger kits under development for the RX-8 were finally out, I think people would be less "infatuated" with the Evo. The day you see a 4.9 secound 0-60 RX-8, is the day you will hear less about the Evo.

Guys, I know this conversation has steered off course, but there is no way in hell I'd ever buy a Mitsubishi.

I have decided on the RX-8, since the RX-7 is going to be a lot harder to find, maintain, and get to the level I want it to be. Besides, driving a car like the RX-7 is beyond my limits and it's not as easy to drive as the RX-8. I want something I can enjoy and feel good driving. That's the 8 :)

Guys, I know this conversation has steered off course, but there is no way in hell I'd ever buy a Mitsubishi.

I have decided on the RX-8, since the RX-7 is going to be a lot harder to find, maintain, and get to the level I want it to be. Besides, driving a car like the RX-7 is beyond my limits and it's not as easy to drive as the RX-8. I want something I can enjoy and feel good driving. That's the 8 :)


:ylsuper: :)

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You obviously have money.

1. Sell the BMW and buy a 911. You will not need but one car for a daily driver and the weekend. :)
or
2. Get an 8 instead of the 7. Newer technology and just a fun and safer car to drive.

I think they design Lancer chassis with the Evolution thing in mind. The *Regular* Lancer we see is actually the *strip down* version of the Evolution.

You can call an Evo or STi an econbox. but to me they're not. in fact is they're actually pretty good cars.

IT depends on what you're looking for.

If you're looking for Absolute performance. You should go for STi or Evo. Hell the STi its even faster than a Z06 on the track, for under 35 K ? oh yes its stock to stock. I think its pretty good freaking deal. But in order to get something(performance) you have to give something up (interior, luxury stuff, etc) so yes you get shit interior ...

but if you're looking for style .... go somewhere else (or get a 8 like us)

You can call an Evo or STi an econbox. but to me they're not. in fact is they're actually pretty good cars. Quote:

Noone said econobox platform cars were not good cars. Most are. They just lack the refinement and status required by many well off mature drivers.

Quote:You may not like them but there is no denying their performance prow less.;Quote:

I Don't think the driving/handling characteristics are as much fun and relaxing as the rx8. Too much drastic technology to bring them up to par. The 275 hp is what makes them more desireable on the track. They are fast and furious little econos.

I love when people talk about driving characteristics of cars they've never driven. There are a few of you in this thread...

yup... what's worse is that some people probably don't even understand their own cars as well either! :eek:

I love when people talk about driving characteristics of cars they've never driven. There are a few of you in this thread...


I can imagine :boring:

Guys, I know this conversation has steered off course, but there is no way in hell I'd ever buy a Mitsubishi.

Off course?? You think?? lol.

I have decided on the RX-8, since the RX-7 is going to be a lot harder to find, maintain, and get to the level I want it to be. Besides, driving a car like the RX-7 is beyond my limits and it's not as easy to drive as the RX-8. I want something I can enjoy and feel good driving. That's the 8 :)

Cool. Getting a new 8, then? Love that stormy blue mica . . .

I love when people talk about driving characteristics of cars they've never driven. There are a few of you in this thread...

Too true - you can tell because they don't agree with your assessment of the different cars.

:yesnod:

Off course?? You think?? lol.



Cool. Getting a new 8, then? Love that stormy blue mica . . .I don't think I'll be buying it new... used is more likely. I figure I can get a 2004 for a reasonable price (~$15k). I can go up to $20k if need be, but I would like to avoid that to keep my payments nice and low :)

but . . . stormy blue . . . lol.

So why not buy the one you leased? At least you know what kind of care it got during the lease.

$15k would be nice. But if you start heading towards $20k you prlly can get a brand new base model, and a lower APR.

Good luck - whichever way you go.

but . . . stormy blue . . . lol.

So why not buy the one you leased? At least you know what kind of care it got during the lease.

$15k would be nice. But if you start heading towards $20k you prlly can get a brand new base model, and a lower APR.

Good luck - whichever way you go.
Yea I know, I'm not in a rush... winter is here for me and thus, I can't drive it anyway :)

I'll see what I want to do as it gets warmer out.

Get both! I could not decide either and ended up getting both. Some days you can drive the FD and some days the Rx8. I like driving the 8 so much more.

Anthony

Get both! I could not decide either and ended up getting both. Some days you can drive the FD and some days the Rx8. I like driving the 8 so much more.

AnthonyYou offering to spot me? :D

Get both! I could not decide either and ended up getting both. Some days you can drive the FD and some days the Rx8. I like driving the 8 so much more.

Anthony
don't take this the wrong way, but I hate you.

:rollingla

You offering to spot me? :D

Hey, you had a 2003 M3, you should spot all of us :) Actually I did not mean get both at once. I meant get the rx8 first and then get an FD later down the line for a good deal to tinker around with.

You're also lucky to be on the east coast in terms of resources.

Good luck either way.

Anthony

Get both! I could not decide either and ended up getting both. Some days you can drive the FD and some days the Rx8. I like driving the 8 so much more.

Anthony


Lucky duck! :)

but . . . stormy blue . . . lol.


Nothing wrong with Stormy Blue ...

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Good luck on the 8 search. You'll find what you're looking for. Check out the for sale section of the forum to see what people are asking for. I've had a '93 RX-7R1 and the RX-8. I'd have to say the RX-7 was an amazing car that was absolutely perfect to drive. But I smile so much more driving the 8 and am more willing to take it whenever wherever. Based on what it sounds like you're looking for you'll really be happy with the 8. :ylsuper:

I saw that you've already made your decision, so congratulations on that!

I did want to add my opinion, though... just for argument's sake. ;)

I've owned both and prefer the RX-8. I had an FD for 4 years and have had my RX-8 for just over a year now.

The FD is an amazing sports car and racing it was an absolute blast but the RX-8 just provides so much more from an all-around point of view. The FD can be faster, but that doesn't mean it is (especially in the hands of most drivers) . The RX-8 is more likely to be faster more consistently, it's more fun and less hassle.