Who do you think the next EFFECTIVE president should be of all that have "mentioned" running, behind the scenes.

Its one thing to have a good President to work with the economy, to help with SS, and imigration, our educational problems, energy problems, but as far as actually being EFFECTIVE, in deterring another attack, and keeping this country safe?

Guliani?
Kerry?
Cheney?
Clinton? the Mrs.
others?

those are all that I can think of.


Should Swartznegger be allowed since he's not a native born american.

comments please.

I know this sounds ludacris... But what if the next American president was an Arab-American?

Ofcourse that won't happen! Ya, I know that their exists no presidential candidate that's Arab, but wouldn't solving our relations problem go in contrast with the relations problem we have inbetween our society and the president

Robin Williams..

Anonymous white Protestant male?

I'm so disenfranchised with politics. For a long term solution, we need to understand why the Arab world hates us and fix that. The short term isn't really an issue because it's mostly dumb luck and money (spent on intel and security personnel) that solve that problem.

What we really need is to fix the massive gap between the poor and rich in this country. Education is the most important thing in the entire world because education breeds moderation. The illiteracy rate in this country is a joke and is a systemic problem that creates all sorts of other problems like crime.

We need to stop addressing the symptoms of the problems we create with our behavior and start dealing with the actual behavior itself. Whatever candidate has a plan and presents that instead of bashing the other candidates will get my vote. The odds of there being such a candidate in the next election are about as good as us seeing a MS8 by tomorrow afternoon.

It just dawn to me that if Hillary wins then we would have 20 years of either a Bush or a Clinton as a President. Man, I'm slow. lol

haha I know Jesse Ventura haha.. I'm sorry we've had a Actor as President and as Govenors so the next logical step is to have a ex-seal ex professional wrestler as President. Sides we all know it would be classic anytime he opened up his mouth in one of his "I dont care if its politicaly incorrect" moments. Thats the one thing I loved about that guy he said what he really thought and let the repurcussions be damned, instead of "ok speech writers what I am saying today as to not offend anyone and hopefuly win people over." As political as Ima make my reply haha..
If not him Howard Stern.. Come on.. Strippers poles in the Oval Office friggin' CLASSIC!!! :rock:

I am pretty impressed with Barak Obama, the U.S. Senator from Illinois.

Saturn. i heartily agree about your passions for everything you stated in that post. I feel that any american voting process will have to deal in low blows and mudd slinging. Even a simple coke and pepsi add are dissing eachother.

the fact that we are at war continuously with anti-american muslims (mostly) is our fault and yet at the same time time theirs. i support the war but i dont think that it should have taken this long to complete. osama should have met his end a while ago. but at the same time, they will always hate us. this is about how they feel about us and the wars outcome," if we loose we are weak and should be destroyed. if we leave without finish the war we are still weak and should be destroyed. if we win, we are brutal savages and should be destroyed." they wont stop.


<sigh> dicks...

For a long term solution, we need to understand why the Arab world hates us and fix that.You're kidding, right?

I'm going to have you assume you're making a rhetorical statement and you haven't done any research at all.

mysql...
haha so true.
so general....
so vague....
haha

the fact that we are at war continuously with anti-american muslims (mostly) is our fault and yet at the same time time theirs. You are quite right.

If we had not been helping out groups and countries to do battle with our current (at the time) enemies, there wouldn't have been a Saddam, and more importantly, we wouldn't have helped the Russians be defeated in Afghanistan.

We showed them that superpowers could be defeated.


The ironic thing is that black gold is what causes this to be a pressing issue. Without oil money that region of the world would be no more important to us than south africa. And the people would all be dirt poor and no one would give a rats ass about them.

Watch where this thread is heading but please keep in mind that ALL political threads are against the rules. Be careful.

well id vote for me, anyone else wanna join the "Put Feras where he doesn't belong" campaign???

It wasn't me, I swear.

I think someone's editing my posts and making me say political things.

JON STEWART FOR xxxx

You're kidding, right?

I'm going to have you assume you're making a rhetorical statement and you haven't done any research at all.
I'm going to assume you're a giant douchebag who speaks in a condescending manner to make himself feel better about himself.

I never said I didn't have some opinions as to why there's a disconnect between the western world and the middle east if that's what you were implying. I was simply stating that we need to actually address the issue by means of understanding rather than just dropping bombs and singing country western songs about freedom and saluting the flag.

But thanks for criticizing without offering any input at all. Maybe we should send you to be our representative to the middle east and you can just be condescending to them. Let me know how that works out.

I'm going to assume you're a giant douchebag who speaks in a condescending manner to make himself feel better about himself.See your comments below. At least I don't need to resort to name calling. You will be why this thread gets locked.


But thanks for criticizing without offering any input at all. Maybe we should send you to be our representative to the middle east and you can just be condescending to them. Let me know how that works out.
Having been born in Egypt, and having visted jerusalem, I'm more likely able to speak than you.

My comments were written as such because of your remark on trying to "Understand" why they hate us. If you understood the situation, you wouldn't be asking why they hate or have the misguided notion that we can do anything about that hate.

rotory god is right... there are no poli threads allowed and this is getting a bit heated.... although not so much on politics as on name calling... saturn made a point... i wrote my bit about it agreeing... it may have bee a but broad but it still made us all think... it was fine.

both of you chill

haha
:beerchug:
try that....

My comments were written as such because of your remark on trying to "Understand" why they hate us. If you understood the situation, you wouldn't be asking why they hate or have the misguided notion that we can do anything about that hate.

Re-reading what i said I should point out that I didn't mean to convey that their "hate" was misguided or invalid -- just that it exists. Not that you had brought this point up -- just wanted to clarify for anyone else.

Anywho I disagree with your estimation of the situation. I don't believe there is nothing we can do to fix the situation. If you want to believe that you being from Egypt makes you right, go for it -- it's a weak argument.

Moreover, I responded because of the way you responded to me. The fact that you need to mock my post because you disagree with it is an insult that I did nothing to provoke other than simply post about something you disagreed with.

well id vote for me, anyone else wanna join the "Put Feras where he doesn't belong" campaign???
So Nominated. All in favor?

Re-reading what i said I should point out that I didn't mean to convey that their "hate" was misguided or invalid -- just that it exists.Then we might agree on this topic more than you think.

Having lived in some of these countries doesn't make me an expert by any means, but it does mean that no one can pull the "you're from america so you're close minded" retort :)

oh boy - this should be fun.

Saturn - I really do admire your optimism & hope.

MySQL - Unfortunately you do have a good point. The entire region is just packed with groups who have thousands of years of hatred for each other. About the only thing the can agree on is that violence is the best course of action. Weeding out the violent, extremist factions certainly seems to be impossible.

How do you convince people that values they learned throughout their lives is wrong?

I can't even quit smoking cigarettes - and that started when I was 15, not 1.

So Nominated. All in favor?

I

Anyone wanna nominate me for Czar?

-Steakboy

The entire region is just packed with groups who have thousands of years of hatred for each other. About the only thing the can agree on is that violence is the best course of action. Weeding out the violent, extremist factions certainly seems to be impossible. It doesn't help that even the children television shows have them teaching how america is satan and evil, and jews will actually kill them and drink their blood. Small wonder why they grow up with the viewpoints they have. With that said, I don't think they are an evil people, no more than we would be evil for disliking the Russians during the cold war.

I have to disagree with anyone who says that it's a small minority of people in the middle east who think america is bad, or that would want america destroyed. Hell, a large number of EU countries dislike us. For example, regular college students watched with joy as daniel pearl had his head chopped off. It's a spectator sport like football. Huray for the good guys! down with america.

It's twisted, but their viewpoint says the same about us. We cannot change their mind by force, we cannot appease them with gifts (Just shows them we're weak). So imagine a situation like we had not too long ago in America with racism, then add in religious fervor - only you're not able to tell anyone it's wrong, and you can't pass laws to stop it. Now add in a corrupt group of people in the united nations into the mix.

Any country is only as strong as its PEOPLE, and I believe as of this election the American people have spoken, whether the results are in anyones political favor or not.

Our future relies on just this. WE need to focus on US, find the commonality in our elected officials to be able to work together and move forward to keep this country healthy, our economy strong and the citizens safe.

All I can say as far as a favored candidate.......is to watch, listen, and learn.

It doesn't help that even the children television shows have them teaching how america is satan and evil, and jews will actually kill them and drink their blood. Small wonder why they grow up with the viewpoints they have. With that said, I don't think they are an evil people, no more than we would be evil for disliking the Russians during the cold war.

I have to disagree with anyone who says that it's a small minority of people in the middle east who think america is bad, or that would want america destroyed. Hell, a large number of EU countries dislike us. For example, regular college students watched with joy as daniel pearl had his head chopped off. It's a spectator sport like football. Huray for the good guys! down with america.

It's twisted, but their viewpoint says the same about us. We cannot change their mind by force, we cannot appease them with gifts (Just shows them we're weak). So imagine a situation like we had not too long ago in America with racism, then add in religious fervor - only you're not able to tell anyone it's wrong, and you can't pass laws to stop it. Now add in a corrupt group of people in the united nations into the mix.

I agree with all that, but still believe it's rectifiable.

First off, no matter what happens, you have to wait a generation before things even have a chance to cool down. You can't change something that deep-rooted in a culture in a year or something. You need to reach people when they're young and then you have to wait for them to grow up to take power and change the culture.

Keep in mind that although these civilizations are extremely old, they were (and still are to some degree) very tribal and/or ruled by a totalitarian government. Europe was just as violent when it was going through that era.

What is needed is a government that can secure its people and promote economic reform in order to give people something to live for. Then the focus becomes education which is a vital in fostering social stability as it allows people to understand others.

I'm not saying any of that's easy, but it is the only way we can move forward. We can't bomb everyone into submission without destroying ourselves and we can't stick our heads in the sand anymore.

Before we go any farther on this, this thread is over. If you disagree with this decision please don't start another thread asking why this was closed. That's a rules violation too.