ok guys so listen to this, some of you may know that honda is discontinuing the rsx. Which pisses me right off. I am a huge honda fan. and with the discontinuation i started looking for other possibilities and of course im feelin the 8. i dont own either obviously and the reason i am a part of these forums is to gain some knowledge of the cars first. but i have a question for you guys, fully stock, which would win, rx8 or rsx. i cant think of it because looking at it, i see the 8 with more hp but the rsx with 2.0L and almost the same hp. anyway, just makin' car convo

RX-8 is slightly faster, but 100x more fun

we're not a bunch of fanbois and we dont give a shit about competing.
do yourself a favor and search before everybody flames you do death.

street racing is dumb and illegal, grow up son.

oh yeah, the 8 doesnt have vtec, y0.

whoa dice...chill man, sorry if you cant be nice about it. and i dont street race. i go to the track. and i have done research. and do me a favor, dont give me a reply if you are going to be a dick. :)

These are public forums and ill do as i wish.

RSX = FWD
RX8 = RWD

i dont think there is even a comparison

1/4 miles times are the same, but thats about all the similarity.
youll pay double insurance on a RSX
youll pay double the gas bill on an RX8

A kid once thought he could out handle my 8, a 41 mph right turn landed him straight through a curb and into a wall.
edit, i wasnt being a dick compared to what others may say :P

ok im just asking you to be courteous man, anyway, yea i understand about the rwd and fwd of course and theres the gas issue..which really, eh no biggie. the kid that tried to take you..was he in an rsx?

he was in a TypeS. I guess he was cool because he called me a pussy at the redlight and told me he has a superAFC.

Evidently a super airflow controller does nothing for handling.

http://www.rx8club.com/search.php?searchid=1970620

lmao, i hate people like that, LSD ftw

Speed wise they're about the same. Handling wise the RX-8 is better than any USDM RSX.

yea of course in handling

yea of course in handling

So if you already knew that and are just interested in straightline power why are you even considering either car. Why are you such a big Honda fan for that matter?

mad tyte jdm vtec yo son cuh bro!

RX-8 has the handling advantage. But the RSX Type-S engine is more fun. That's just me. I happen to like the whole iVTEC thing. The RSX Type-S holds value really well. It did for me. The RX-8's resale value is in the pooper. Probably one of the worst out there... As the other poster said, insurance is higher on the RSX and gas bills are higher for the RX-8. RSX responds to mods better than the 8. Drive both cars and decide what you want for yourself. I enjoyed owning both of them. Now its time for a change ;)

RX-8 has the handling advantage. But the RSX Type-S engine is more fun. That's just me. I happen to like the whole iVTEC thing. The RSX Type-S holds value really well. It did for me. The RX-8's resale value is in the pooper. Probably one of the worst out there... As the other poster said, insurance is higher on the RSX and gas bills are higher for the RX-8. RSX responds to mods better than the 8. Drive both cars and decide what you want for yourself. I enjoyed owning both of them. Now its time for a change ;)

What are you getting next?

i just am, im just tryin to get a full understanding of the cars that interest me, but what ever it doesnt matter just drop the thread if im going to get hit with inquisitions

thanks for being civilized about it sun :)

What are you getting next?

06/07 White S2000 most probably. M3/Z4si if I find a very good deal.

but i have a question for you guys, fully stock, which would win, rx8 or rsx.

win?

RSX engine more fun? That thing is a dog compare to the rotary in the low end, I found the rotary to be more responsive

win was the wrong word. which would perform better.

win was the wrong word. which would perform better.

just busting your balls
the rx-8 always wins, duh

hehe ;)

The winner depends on how you race. If you race from a stop, the 8 will win to about 100, and after that the type s will start to walk away. From a roll, the type s has more of an advantage, and you will more than likely start to lose toward the end of 3rd gear.

The RX8 wins every time. You cant get no play drivin an rsx. You just get laughed at. Now roll up in an RX8, now you are turning some heads. Who cares which is faster, the mazda gets the chicks. :)

RSX engine more fun? That thing is a dog compare to the rotary in the low end, I found the rotary to be more responsive

Don't know about the base RSX. But my Type-S engine sure is better than the rotary even at low RPMs. Maybe that's just me...

The RX8 wins every time. You cant get no play drivin an rsx. You just get laughed at. Now roll up in an RX8, now you are turning some heads. Who cares which is faster, the mazda gets the chicks. :)
Haha yup.. the real reason behind why we own this car..
Roll up in a RSX.. "Oh hey is that a Civic?"
Roll up in a Rx-8 "Oh shyt its the Batmobile, maybe he's rich like Bruce Wayne."

I kid realy I do lol.. Honestly to me the Rx-8 has more of a total package deal. Has the looks, the feel, the handling, and yes power. Sure some scoff at its lack of it but honestly I think its lack of torque and overall "break neck" power if you will has kept me outa trouble along with many others. That and I'm not sure how diverse the RSX's age group is but I'm very surprised with the age range of owners our 8 has. Oh also you have less of a stereotype driving the 8 than say the RSX.

the 350z is faster straight but the rx8.... aw shit wrong thread.

the 350z is faster straight but the rx8.... aw shit wrong thread. you forgot the TWISTIES! :hahano:

test drive em... i drove both i own an 8 and drove my friend and cousins rsx... personally i love the 8.. but i feel the rsx has so much more potential (well atleast as of right now) but then again idont know much about cars... if autox is your thing i think the 8's better for you...

Benny....pics of strakes?

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Here's another example where cars that are routinely fractions of a sec faster than the 8 are proclaimed to be WAY faster, yet cars that are routinely slower than the 8 like the RSXS are judged to be "about the same."

:uhh:
Here's another example where cars that are routinely fractions of a sec faster than the 8 are proclaimed to be WAY faster, yet cars that are routinely slower than the 8 like the RSXS are judged to be "about the same."

And that's yet another example of you following me around and spouting off about something you have no clue about. Moostafa summed up pretty well the likely scenarios if these two cars were to race with roughly equal drivers.

Am I following you around, or are you just freak’n EVERYWHERE?

Listen sport, I don’t want to go look this up, but I’m pretty sure RSXS routinely were tested at 14.9 to 15’s, maybe one test at 14.5. The new si, same engine and weight as the RSXS, tested the same. Top speeds are just over 130 for the si, about 140 for the rsx. Every major mag has tested the 8 in the mid 14’s. Top speeds usually closer to 150.

See, if it was the other way around, you’d be all over it like a fly on shit…or Ike on a RX8 forum.

Am I following you around, or are you just freak’n EVERYWHERE?

Listen sport, I don’t want to go look this up, but I’m pretty sure RSXS routinely were tested at 14.9 to 15’s, maybe one test at 14.5. The new si, same engine and weight as the RSXS, tested the same. Top speeds are just over 130 for the si, about 140 for the rsx. Every major mag has tested the 8 in the mid 14’s. Top speeds usually closer to 150.

See, if it was the other way around, you’d be all over it like a fly on shit…or Ike on a RX8 forum.

Ok Corky, get this through you head, I've explained it to you before. When talking about how fast a car is it refers to trap speeds, take away the traction factors and the RX-8 and RSX Type S are about the same. Many other people in this thread realize that, I don't get why you always get your panties in a bunch when another car is "about the same" or faster than the RX-8.

You are talking about the RSX Type S, right? Because the stock RSX doesn't even come close to the speed or power of the RX-8. RSX has been measured at a 0 - 60 time of 7.7, which is a lot more than a second worse the the RX-8.

RSX Type S is a good machine, and can compare speed - wise. Handling, though, the 8 would win hands down.

Nothing is more satisfying and FUN than taking a 90 degree corner at 40 and flooring it through the turn. Nothing.

Hey Redline...

Have you given the new Si any consideration at all? I would've thought you'd be all over that considering you're a Honda fan.

The k20z3 is an AMAZING engine, check it out sometime.

BTW the top speed of the Si is 140ish. It'll take a long time to get there in 6th, but 129 in 5th is easily attainable.

I just traded my '06 RSX Type S for a '06 RX-8. I owned the Acura for 11 months and I am a Honda nut (I road raced an '86 CRX Si and am now building a '94 Integra GSR). The stock RX8 is faster and out handles the RSX. Rear wheel drive + Rotary is a lot easier to drive fast than Front wheel drive + VTEC. Hope this helps.

Ivan

VTEC is fun, for a while, but it does get old. I don't know why, though - screaming redline, lunging power, that sort of thing. iVTEC smooths it out a bit, but it's high RPM twiddling at its finest. Rotary is different, simply put.

The handling is fine in both the Type S and the 8, and it depends on what you like - FWD or RWD. In most track situations it will come down to the driver. However, I'd wager that in longer courses with long straights the 8 would pull away eventually.

my friend has a types and i have a 8. i came from a 96 prelude vtec. i miss vtec everytime i sit in my friends car but when it comes down to it. i love my 8. engine smoother and not unexpected jolts from vtec. but the honda do come with better reliabity and maintainence. also, im getting 17.5 mpg on a good day he gets 26 mpg constantly.

wouldnt trade the 8 though...till the s2000 replacement comes out. =)

yea i was lookin' at the Si, comparing and all the good stuff but i just cant get off the rsx.

Quote: ok guys so listen to this, some of you may know that honda is discontinuing the rsx. Which pisses me right off. I am a huge honda fan. and with the discontinuation i started looking for other possibilities and of course im feelin the 8. i dont own either obviously and the reason i am a part of these forums is to gain some knowledge of the cars first. but i have a question for you guys, fully stock, which would win, rx8 or rsx. i cant think of it because looking at it, i see the 8 with more hp but the rsx with 2.0L and almost the same hp. anyway, just makin' car convo


The 2 litres of the Honda doesn't, really, mean anything. Nothing at all! You gotta wrap your head around the concept that Rotary is not equivalent to Piston! 15Liters of Piston does not equate to 15lLiters of Rotor. Apples & Oranges, bro.

Forget everything you've read in the brochures! Numbers on paper are only relevant when you are a professional driver and can drive consistently to within hundredths of a second all day-every day. They're only important for "my dick is bigger than your dick" contests. Test drive both cars! I mean drive the crap out of them!

When you say "what would win?" That is a very loaded question! Almost naive. Win in what? 1/4 mile, mountain trail, top speed, 0-60, 60-80, 80-100, 100-120, pie eating contest? Second of all, who's driving? Same person, me vs. you, me vs. my grandmother, your grandmother vs. my grandmother? Get the picture? Another thing, are you buying a car to say "mine would beat yours on paper/popular opinion in X type of race!"

Find out what you are looking for first! Then you'll know which car is better for you!

dont give me a reply if you are going to be a dick. :)
+1

Guys, please be polite. No one's crossed the line too badly yet, but I can see it's heading that direction pretty quickly.

Don't know about the base RSX. But my Type-S engine sure is better than the rotary even at low RPMs. Maybe that's just me...

Huh, the automatic RX-8 is way more fun below 5K than a RSX Type S below 5K

Ok Corky, get this through you head, I've explained it to you before. When talking about how fast a car is it refers to trap speeds, take away the traction factors and the RX-8 and RSX Type S are about the same. Many other people in this thread realize that, I don't get why you always get your panties in a bunch when another car is "about the same" or faster than the RX-8.
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Because I know better sparky. You read far too much into ¼ mile trap speeds, and if I see another thread of yours on it I’ll puke, yet so many here who can’t think for themselves just line right up.

Yes, a ¼ mile trap speed can be an indicator of how hard a car pulls once rolling, but you seem to think that it is the only indicator - that a car that pulls slightly harder at 90-100mph will automatically pull harder at 100-110, or 120-130.

All mags have tested the 8 at low 95/96mph traps, shifting at redline as a rule. If you actually drove an 8, you’d know that the shift into 4th at redline feels like driving into wet concrete, it takes a couple of moments but then its back onto decent power. This is what kills the 8’s trap speed in the quarter. Cars with more torque aren’t as exposed to this, nor are cars that have the fuel consumption issues of the 8 that I’m sure has influenced gear ratio selection. As a former kart racer, you must have played with rear sprockets sizes to suit particular tracks, I still have a set in the garage to use with my sport bike. Yet you don’t get it. Aerodynamics and weight are other factors, but this thread getting long enough.

If it’s all about the ¼ mile trap, I’m sure the same magazine testers could be getting 98mph speeds simply by using the 8’s over-rev capability. It’s not talked about here, but the renesis’ 500rpm over-rev is 2-3 times higher than most cars. When I use 9500rpm in that same 3 to 4 shift, that wet concrete feeling disappears. Bike guys know this, as many bikes have over-rev capability to allow their riders to stay on the powerband…I had a 600cc that redlined at 13800rpm but allowed me to shift at 14500.

Again, I know the 8 is no rocket, buy why all the effort to make it sound even slower than it actually is? Maybe if I couldn’t keep up with my buds and their supposedly faster cars I’d believe you, but that hasn’t been the case.

To me it's very simple.

Do you want to live with a glorified econobox for the next few years, or do you want to have a bonafide sports car for the next few years.

It's the reason I'd never own a WRX, EVO, RSX or any other hopped up econocar as my main car. It'd be a fun second car, but not as my primary means of transportation. DOn't get me wrong, I'm not trying to downplay those cars at all, just not for me.

:Freak_ani
Because I know better sparky. You read far too much into ¼ mile trap speeds, and if I see another thread of yours on it I’ll puke, yet so many here who can’t think for themselves just line right up.

Yes, a ¼ mile trap speed can be an indicator of how hard a car pulls once rolling, but you seem to think that it is the only indicator - that a car that pulls slightly harder at 90-100mph will automatically pull harder at 100-110, or 120-130.

All mags have tested the 8 at low 95/96mph traps, shifting at redline as a rule. If you actually drove an 8, you’d know that the shift into 4th at redline feels like driving into wet concrete, it takes a couple of moments but then its back onto decent power. This is what kills the 8’s trap speed in the quarter. Cars with more torque aren’t as exposed to this, nor are cars that have the fuel consumption issues of the 8 that I’m sure has influenced gear ratio selection. As a former kart racer, you must have played with rear sprockets sizes to suit particular tracks, I still have a set in the garage to use with my sport bike. Yet you don’t get it. Aerodynamics and weight are other factors, but this thread getting long enough.

If it’s all about the ¼ mile trap, I’m sure the same magazine testers could be getting 98mph speeds simply by using the 8’s over-rev capability. It’s not talked about here, but the renesis’ 500rpm over-rev is 2-3 times higher than most cars. When I use 9500rpm in that same 3 to 4 shift, that wet concrete feeling disappears. Bike guys know this, as many bikes have over-rev capability to allow their riders to stay on the powerband…I had a 600cc that redlined at 13800rpm but allowed me to shift at 14500.

Again, I know the 8 is no rocket, buy why all the effort to make it sound even slower than it actually is? Maybe if I couldn’t keep up with my buds and their supposedly faster cars I’d believe you, but that hasn’t been the case.

There's no reason this shift into 4th gear in the 1/4 in a stock RX-8, so that kinda shoots your theory...

No effort to make it slower than it is, simply pointing out the fact that the RX-8 and RSX are about the same speed wise once rolling. I don't get why that is such a hard pill for you to swallow...

C&D RSX Numbers
Zero to 60 mph: 6.2 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 16.6 sec
Street start, 5-60 mph: 6.9 sec
Standing 1/4-mile: 14.9 sec @ 95 mph

C&D RX-8 numbers
Zero to 60 mph 6.6 sec 5.9 sec
Zero to 100 mph 17.5 sec 16.0 sec
Zero to 130 mph 36.6 sec 34.8 sec
Street start, 5-60 mph 7.4 sec 7.2 sec
Standing 1/4-mile 15.1 sec 14.6 sec
@ 93 mph @ 96 mph

RSX numbers from MT or R&T
0-30 mph 2.32 s
0-40 mph 3.78 s
0-50 mph 4.88 s
0-60 mph 6.82 s
0-70 mph 8.45 s
0-80 mph 10.88 s
0-90 mph 13.39 s
0-100 mph 16.06 s
0-110 mph 20.64 s
0-120 mph 25.58 s
0-130 mph 31.82 s

Notice the 0-130 times compared to the RX-8. Are you honestly going to keep arguing that I'm off base by saying they're about the same to at least 130mph? Now stop being such a fanboi and grip reality. In fact in this case the RSX is clearly faster, but I've seen faster times for the RX-8 though I think it was the preproduction car mags were testing.

RIP RSX. Acura's going upscale and is going to leave the boy racer and entry level folks driving Hondas. It was about time. It really doesn't help sell $45K+ RLs when a potential buyer pulls up next to tacky Acura bling on wheels.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c55/ChrisV196/Popcorn.jpg

There's no reason this shift into 4th gear in the 1/4 in a stock RX-8, so that kinda shoots your theory...

No effort to make it slower than it is, simply pointing out the fact that the RX-8 and RSX are about the same speed wise once rolling. I don't get why that is such a hard pill for you to swallow...

C&D RSX Numbers
Zero to 60 mph: 6.2 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 16.6 sec
Street start, 5-60 mph: 6.9 sec
Standing 1/4-mile: 14.9 sec @ 95 mph

C&D RX-8 numbers
Zero to 60 mph 6.6 sec 5.9 sec
Zero to 100 mph 17.5 sec 16.0 sec
Zero to 130 mph 36.6 sec 34.8 sec
Street start, 5-60 mph 7.4 sec 7.2 sec
Standing 1/4-mile 15.1 sec 14.6 sec
@ 93 mph @ 96 mph

RSX numbers from MT or R&T
0-30 mph 2.32 s
0-40 mph 3.78 s
0-50 mph 4.88 s
0-60 mph 6.82 s
0-70 mph 8.45 s
0-80 mph 10.88 s
0-90 mph 13.39 s
0-100 mph 16.06 s
0-110 mph 20.64 s
0-120 mph 25.58 s
0-130 mph 31.82 s

Notice the 0-130 times compared to the RX-8. Are you honestly going to keep arguing that I'm off base by saying they're about the same to at least 130mph? Now stop being such a fanboi and grip reality. In fact in this case the RSX is clearly faster, but I've seen faster times for the RX-8 though I think it was the preproduction car mags were testing.

Wrong again. Third gear redline is 88-92, a shift to 4 in the 8 is a must in the ¼. Unless you use the over-rev capability of 500rpm, which no magazine test uses. So my point completely sticks.

Otherwise, as for stats, I’m almost as stubborn as you, so in this case let’s try to compare apples to apples no? Same magazine to same magazine.

Let’s start with Car & Driver;
RX8
0-60 5.9 (6.1)
0-100 15.8 (15.9)
0-130 33.5 (34.8)
¼ 14.5@96
RSXS
0-60 6.4
0-100 16.6
0-120 27.4
¼ 14.9@95
Conclusion; 8 was faster by .05 at start, and time intervals still grew 60-100.

Now Motor Trend;
RX8
0-30 2.1
0-40 3.2
0-50 4.5
0-60 6.0
0-70 7.9
0-80 10.2
0-90 13.1
0-100 16.9
¼ 14.49/95.47
RSXS
0-30 2.7
0-40 3.9
0-50 5.3
0-60 7.0
0-70 9.2
0-80 11.9
0-90 15.2
0-100 n/a
¼ 15.32/92.41
Conclusion, the 8 was faster by 1 sec. at the start, and intervals were faster everywhere else.

And Road and Track;
RX8
0-20 1.3
0-40 3.1
0-60 6.1
0-80 10.1
0-100 16.1
¼ 14.6/95.6
RSXS
0-20 1.6
0-40 3.7
0-60 6.7
0-80 10.8
0-100 16.6
¼ 15.0/94.9
Conclusion, the 8 was faster by .06 at start, and intervals were faster everywhere except 80-100 by .02, as per my point re. the 3-4 shift.

I won’t even get into the fact that the 8 has a higher top speed, usually by 10mph, which should also suggest pull at speed.

So you and someone else here were originally saying that the RSXS would pull on an 8 at speed - not "even" as you are saying now. I’m still waiting for the evidence of either.

I would just get the S2000 if you like honda. The RX-8 is probally one of the best stock handling cars out on the market. Mazda is really good about building well balanced cars. Personally I would stick around see what people do with the RX-8 thought. People are just now really starting to tap in to the power of the 13b R. Go to the performance section of this forum and you will find some articles on new turbos coming out. The RSX is cool and I use to own and integra in high school, but trust me RWD cars are way more fun. So if Your a big honda fan Get a S2000. I would If I could afford to have two cars.

Wrong again. Third gear redline is 88-92, a shift to 4 in the 8 is a must in the ¼. Unless you use the over-rev capability of 500rpm, which no magazine test uses. So my point completely sticks.

Otherwise, as for stats, I’m almost as stubborn as you, so in this case let’s try to compare apples to apples no? Same magazine to same magazine.

Let’s start with Car & Driver;
RX8
0-60 5.9 (6.1)
0-100 15.8 (15.9)
0-130 33.5 (34.8)
¼ 14.5@96
RSXS
0-60 6.4
0-100 16.6
0-120 27.4
¼ 14.9@95
Conclusion; 8 was faster by .05 at start, and time intervals still grew 60-100.

Now Motor Trend;
RX8
0-30 2.1
0-40 3.2
0-50 4.5
0-60 6.0
0-70 7.9
0-80 10.2
0-90 13.1
0-100 16.9
¼ 14.49/95.47
RSXS
0-30 2.7
0-40 3.9
0-50 5.3
0-60 7.0
0-70 9.2
0-80 11.9
0-90 15.2
0-100 n/a
¼ 15.32/92.41
Conclusion, the 8 was faster by 1 sec. at the start, and intervals were faster everywhere else.

And Road and Track;
RX8
0-20 1.3
0-40 3.1
0-60 6.1
0-80 10.1
0-100 16.1
¼ 14.6/95.6
RSXS
0-20 1.6
0-40 3.7
0-60 6.7
0-80 10.8
0-100 16.6
¼ 15.0/94.9
Conclusion, the 8 was faster by .06 at start, and intervals were faster everywhere except 80-100 by .02, as per my point re. the 3-4 shift.

I won’t even get into the fact that the 8 has a higher top speed, usually by 10mph, which should also suggest pull at speed.

So you and someone else here were originally saying that the RSXS would pull on an 8 at speed - not "even" as you are saying now. I’m still waiting for the evidence of either.


1.) Magazines absoluetly will use every bit of RPMs available in a gear, do you honestly think they won't take a car past redline that is given to them to beat the shit out of.

2.) The C&D RX-8 you give numbers for was a preproduction car. The numbers I cited were for a production car and the second set of numbers was after the car had a bunch of miles and was broken in.

3.) Your Motor Trend RSX is the older version with less HP

4.) Do the math on your R&T numbers. 40-100 where traction would not be a factor the RSX was .1 QUICKER. Which oddly enough is ABOUT THE SAME.

5.) I'd love for you to show me where I said the RSX would pull on the RX-8 in this thread. All I said was they were about the same and you've had sand in your vagina ever since.

6.) Just stop the stupid argument, I've proven pretty clearly that after traction is no longer a factor the two cars are pretty close.


P.S. Next time you want to compare mag to mag maybe at least use production cars and current models...

1.) Magazines absoluetly will use every bit of RPMs available in a gear, do you honestly think they won't take a car past redline that is given to them to beat the shit out of.

2.) The C&D RX-8 you give numbers for was a preproduction car. The numbers I cited were for a production car and the second set of numbers was after the car had a bunch of miles and was broken in.

3.) Your Motor Trend RSX is the older version with less HP

4.) Do the math on your R&T numbers. 40-100 where traction would not be a factor the RSX was .1 QUICKER. Which oddly enough is ABOUT THE SAME.

5.) I'd love for you to show me where I said the RSX would pull on the RX-8 in this thread. All I said was they were about the same and you've had sand in your vagina ever since.

6.) Just stop the stupid argument, I've proven pretty clearly that after traction is no longer a factor the two cars are pretty close.


P.S. Next time you want to compare mag to mag maybe at least use production cars and current models...

Ike, you’re wearing my down man. I gotta start ignoring you like 99% of the guys on this site. Nobody is as committed as you, how can I possibly compete. I actually have a job, family, hobbies…

Ok, I’ll try again;

1.) Nonsense. C&D has described their testing procedures, they always shift at redline. R&T clearly indicate shiftpoints in all their tests – “maximum speed in gears” - always at redline. Don't know about MT, but I’ll assume they are the same since their times always tend to be a little more conservative.

2.) A RX8 "preproduction" car in the summer of 03? You are quite the conspiracy theorist. Even if so, it could just as easily be too slow or too fast. Regardless, other mags duplicated the numbers from that test, including C&D. So what’s you point?

3.) No. It’s the current generation RSXs - the ’02 model. It did have 10 less HP, but was slightly lighter too. Regardless, it’s the only full test of theirs I’ve seen.

4.) Yes, as I said, in that one very selective example the RSXs was close to the 8. How bout the other examples?

5.) You’re so full of it. In an earlier thread you said “Moostafa summed up pretty well the likely scenarios” where he said the type S would “walk away” once rolling. You agreed with “walk away”, not “even” as you are now implying.

6.) All you’ve proven is that you can be quite shifty with the facts, creative with your interpretations, and very gifted with the ‘ole about face.

Plus, has anybody realized how dumb this argument is…“So without the RWD the Honda would be as fast.” How many cars would suddenly be as fast as a stock Evo if it didn’t have AWD? Oh, never heard that one.

Ps. Sand in my vagina eh? Gotta love a cyber space tough guy!

hail to the redskins!

sorry about your exp in this forum not all of us are dicks:P, I have loved this car the moment i took this car for a test drive i was also looking for either a honda S200, BMW Z4, Nissan 350Z i test drove all of them but none of them made me feel the way my 8 does, its just so fun to drive, whenever i have a rough day at work i always smile when quitting time is almost here cause i kno i am goin to drive home in my 8, its your choice so i suggest a test drive that should give you an idea

FWD vs. RWD...my decision has been made.

But, then again our motor is eternally doomed and fundamentally flawed so were all screwed anyway :cwm27:

Ike and the phone number, cut it out you pussies. You're scaring the children.

Ike click this: http://www.rx8club.com/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=23147
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This will make it a better world for all of us.

:Freak_ani
Because I know better sparky. You read far too much into ¼ mile trap speeds, and if I see another thread of yours on it I’ll puke, yet so many here who can’t think for themselves just line right up.

Yes, a ¼ mile trap speed can be an indicator of how hard a car pulls once rolling, but you seem to think that it is the only indicator - that a car that pulls slightly harder at 90-100mph will automatically pull harder at 100-110, or 120-130.

All mags have tested the 8 at low 95/96mph traps, shifting at redline as a rule. If you actually drove an 8, you’d know that the shift into 4th at redline feels like driving into wet concrete, it takes a couple of moments but then its back onto decent power. This is what kills the 8’s trap speed in the quarter. Cars with more torque aren’t as exposed to this, nor are cars that have the fuel consumption issues of the 8 that I’m sure has influenced gear ratio selection. As a former kart racer, you must have played with rear sprockets sizes to suit particular tracks, I still have a set in the garage to use with my sport bike. Yet you don’t get it. Aerodynamics and weight are other factors, but this thread getting long enough.

If it’s all about the ¼ mile trap, I’m sure the same magazine testers could be getting 98mph speeds simply by using the 8’s over-rev capability. It’s not talked about here, but the renesis’ 500rpm over-rev is 2-3 times higher than most cars. When I use 9500rpm in that same 3 to 4 shift, that wet concrete feeling disappears. Bike guys know this, as many bikes have over-rev capability to allow their riders to stay on the powerband…I had a 600cc that redlined at 13800rpm but allowed me to shift at 14500.

Again, I know the 8 is no rocket, buy why all the effort to make it sound even slower than it actually is? Maybe if I couldn’t keep up with my buds and their supposedly faster cars I’d believe you, but that hasn’t been the case.


Arguing Ike is like playing tennis with a wall. Don't hijack the thread.

By the way, I don't know of any cars that redline at 3000 rpm...

I personally never saw a Honda I liked. The S2000 is nice but it's that whole Honda thing.

Correction I saw a nice Honda riding Mower at Home Depot but I prefer the John Deere.

Honda is the personal favorite of Consumer Reports NOT Car and Driver.

I drove an RSX back in 2000, it was funish but the interior was awful plastic-icky, just reminded me of a Neon. I ended up leasing a v6 passat. The fit and finish even on the Jetta was so far superior it was silly. The shifter on the passat was like butter. The RSX felt oh-so-cheap. The RSX torque and oversteer were not fun. Hopping the tail end out on the 8 just brings a smile to your face. Go drive the 8 then get back to me on the RSX.

That said, the interior of the 8 left me with my draw dropped and rushing home to drag my wife back to the dealer. We took a used VR out with the red leather interior and were sold. I couldn't take the red leather(screams traffic ticket) so ended up with BB with gorgeous black and tan (isn't that a beer, how bad is that) interior.

DIE HONDA DIE DIE DIE

yeah if ur gonna go honda/acura.. go s2000.. a used 03 s2k with good milage on it like 20k miles will run u the same price as a fully loaded RSX type S... s2k is faster straight line, better handling, and if u like convertables its another plus for you.. the rx8 handling is unmatched by any car IMO.. with exceptions to high end exotics porches etc.. yet the gas bill will crush ur wallet.. insurance will be cheaper though.. but.. maintenence on an 8 .. lots of problems have occurred.. fortunatley for some people nothing has happened.. yet to others all sorts of weird stuff happened to their 8's.. pinging sounds, warped brake rotors, broken sun visors, flooding of engines.. numerous things... honda engines are easy to work on and cheap to fix if necessary.. also they run forever.,.. on my 95 integra LS it has 115k miles and still going strong running perfectly.. my friends 95 civic has almost 200k miles and runs like its brand new... also.. check to make sure that there are mechanics around your area where you live that are familiar and good with rotary engines.. i know that mazda has the warranty.. but if something happens where mazda cant fix it or wont do it bc of a warranty void or an expired warranty.. you want to have a mechanic around that knows what hes doing

The RX8 wins every time. You cant get no play drivin an rsx. You just get laughed at. Now roll up in an RX8, now you are turning some heads. Who cares which is faster, the mazda gets the chicks. :)



good point =] thats why i got an 8.. well..not the only reason why.. but one of em haha..


my friend has an 06 type-s black on black , lowered, tints, rims, .... he still gets head turns and chicks.. but .. not as many :naughty:

u gotta also think about price too... 05-06 type S is around 24k? ... the brand new 07 rx-8 starts at high twentys.. 27-28k.. add delivery, tax , tag , title, and all that other bull and ur lookin at around or a lil over 30k for a base model 6MT rx8 fresh from the dealership.. a used rx8 is a diff story bc the resale value on em arent great at all.. u can get a 04-05 for anywehre between 18k-25k.. but u gotta take into consideration that it was driven by someone else.. and you dont know how they drove the car.. they could have abused it or not changed the oil when its was supposed to or do other stuff to it.. the recalls and everything.. w/e that was done..you just gotta realize that it was someone elses car and you dont know how well they maintained it.. because dealerships can say "runs mint or runs brand new" but you dont know that for sure.. dealerships say that so u just buy the car.. they are swines. sharky car dealers.. i hate em

good point =] thats why i got an 8.. well..not the only reason why.. but one of em haha..


my friend has an 06 type-s black on black , lowered, tints, rims, .... he still gets head turns and chicks.. but .. not as many :naughty:
I agree, when I was shopping for my new car it was b/w the RX-8, WRX STI, Mustang GT, or Charger. I test drove all of them. The Most fun to drive I found was the STI and RX-8. My decision ended up being based on looks, the STI looks like a lunch box to me. The 8 though looks like a bikini clad girl at the beach :aroused:

u gotta also think about price too... 05-06 type S is around 24k? ... the brand new 07 rx-8 starts at high twentys.. 27-28k.. add delivery, tax , tag , title, and all that other bull and ur lookin at around or a lil over 30k for a base model 6MT rx8 fresh from the dealership.. a used rx8 is a diff story bc the resale value on em arent great at all.. u can get a 04-05 for anywehre between 18k-25k.. but u gotta take into consideration that it was driven by someone else.. and you dont know how they drove the car.. they could have abused it or not changed the oil when its was supposed to or do other stuff to it.. the recalls and everything.. w/e that was done..you just gotta realize that it was someone elses car and you dont know how well they maintained it.. because dealerships can say "runs mint or runs brand new" but you dont know that for sure.. dealerships say that so u just buy the car.. they are swines. sharky car dealers.. i hate em


Where are you getting your figures from? A base RX8 manual starts at 24458...
add sport package for 1700 more..

...the mazda gets the chicks.



Those chicks must have low standards

Ike, you’re wearing my down man. I gotta start ignoring you like 99% of the guys on this site. Nobody is as committed as you, how can I possibly compete. I actually have a job, family, hobbies…

Ok, I’ll try again;

1.) Nonsense. C&D has described their testing procedures, they always shift at redline. R&T clearly indicate shiftpoints in all their tests – “maximum speed in gears” - always at redline. Don't know about MT, but I’ll assume they are the same since their times always tend to be a little more conservative.

2.) A RX8 "preproduction" car in the summer of 03? You are quite the conspiracy theorist. Even if so, it could just as easily be too slow or too fast. Regardless, other mags duplicated the numbers from that test, including C&D. So what’s you point?

3.) No. It’s the current generation RSXs - the ’02 model. It did have 10 less HP, but was slightly lighter too. Regardless, it’s the only full test of theirs I’ve seen.

4.) Yes, as I said, in that one very selective example the RSXs was close to the 8. How bout the other examples?

5.) You’re so full of it. In an earlier thread you said “Moostafa summed up pretty well the likely scenarios” where he said the type S would “walk away” once rolling. You agreed with “walk away”, not “even” as you are now implying.

6.) All you’ve proven is that you can be quite shifty with the facts, creative with your interpretations, and very gifted with the ‘ole about face.

Plus, has anybody realized how dumb this argument is…“So without the RWD the Honda would be as fast.” How many cars would suddenly be as fast as a stock Evo if it didn’t have AWD? Oh, never heard that one.

Ps. Sand in my vagina eh? Gotta love a cyber space tough guy!

1.) They're just showing the gear ratios and the speed compared to RPMs, they're not showing where they shift.

2.) No conspiracy theory here, the car was rated at 250hp and they even mention that it's a preproduction car in the article.

3.) The 05-05 RSX is clearly faster than the previous MYs even if it does weigh more.

4.) If you look at all the examples of the current RSX compared to the RX-8 the they're VERY close to 130mph, I don't know why you have such a hard time with that.

5.) I never said even, I said about the same. Meaning it could go either way.

6.) Yeah, I'm the shifty one with the facts... I'm not the one using older slower versions of the RSX and preproduction pre retuned for emissions RX-8s.

It's a really dumb argument, and you're the one that started it after I simply said the RSX is about the same as the RX-8 in speed.

Where are you getting your figures from? A base RX8 manual starts at 24458...
add sport package for 1700 more..

Why are you talking about invoice pricing?

Stock for stock, the RSX type S is not faster up to at least 120...;)
Mod for mod the RSX type S embarrases the 8. Intake, exhaust, Hondata will give 04 mustang GT's a run for their money. I was very close to getting a type S before the 8, however, the salesman thought I was a young punk who was only interested in a test drive and didn't take me seriously at all. He did me a favor. I drove to the Acura dealership with my friend when he bought a TSX and told him not to deal with that same guy. The look on his face was priceless, me in the shiny new 8 and my friend giving the commission to another salesman :)

My brother had an 03 RSX-S and he had greddy ehaust, injen intake, kuhmo ecstas, struts, sways, and headers. We raced and he beat me once because I forgot to turn off the dsc and he fluttered the clutch from 6 or so while I did a very small drop from around three as well as chirping second. I had just a rb exhaust then. Raced him again with the Revi w/ ram air, the exhaust, no dsc, a drop from 4 and no chirping and smoked him by at least 3 car lengths. He said he had a lot better start than the time he beat me. Keep in mind though, this was an 03 so less power from factory and with just those mods he kept up well. I have driven it too and on a chilly night it is very quick. But once your past 105-107(to me) it really seems to slow down while the 8 keeps on accelerating.

^sounds like a street race thread...

^LOL, tattletail :)
He meant to say "We raced ON A TRACK and he..."

^sounds like a street race thread...

Why don't you share your RSX experiences ;)

I dont know what youre talking about!!!
lets get this thread back on track.

FWD < RWD.

just ask your self. ecobox or sports car..?

I owned a 2004 Rx8 and sold it for various frustrations. Currently own a 2005 RSX (actually it's an Integra Type-S in OZ, but anyhoo).

I've owned 4 rotaries now, and objectively the RSX is just as fun as all of them, Rx8 included.

Dont let FWD fool you, Honda/Acura went out of their way to make an awesome handling car in FWD, and they succeeded. Yes, it is probably not as top notch in outright handling compared to the Rx8, but having owned both, I can tell you, it's bloody close. The RSX is extremely understated. To me, the RSX feels as quick, it pulls damn hard. It's a good feeling to be able to control fuel economy too: keep it under 5800 rpm and your'e sucking hardly any fuel, if you wanna have some fun wind it out 8300 and let it screeeeaam.

turn up the volume! :rock:

http://www.agoraphone.com/prerecorded/acura_prclip.html

Hold out until Honda puts the RDX turbo4 engine in the next "RSX".

RSX < RX-8 < Type R

rsx looks like to be canceled for 07

^didnt you read the first thread?

I owned a 2004 Rx8 and sold it for various frustrations. Currently own a 2005 RSX (actually it's an Integra Type-S in OZ, but anyhoo).

I've owned 4 rotaries now, and objectively the RSX is just as fun as all of them, Rx8 included.

Dont let FWD fool you, Honda/Acura went out of their way to make an awesome handling car in FWD, and they succeeded. Yes, it is probably not as top notch in outright handling compared to the Rx8, but having owned both, I can tell you, it's bloody close. The RSX is extremely understated. To me, the RSX feels as quick, it pulls damn hard. It's a good feeling to be able to control fuel economy too: keep it under 5800 rpm and your'e sucking hardly any fuel, if you wanna have some fun wind it out 8300 and let it screeeeaam.

turn up the volume! :rock:

http://www.agoraphone.com/prerecorded/acura_prclip.html

I tend to believe this post more than most of the others.

Still hate Hondas, know why? They don't have one iconic car. Nothing, plainsville. They're on the cover of Consumer Reports not C&D.

Icons:
Chevy -- Vette
Ford -- Mustang
Mazda RX, Miata
Nissan Z
Dodge Charger
Toyota Supra

Honda Civic ?!?!?

The S2000 performs better then the Miata but the miata is the car everything else is compared to. If you want an S2000 just get an Elise it is soooo far superior it's silly.

Blech, Honda has lovely reliable technology. The vtech engine is amazing, CVT great. But it's still a honda. It's like an ugly girl that's in GREAT shape. Who cares.

:P NH

If you want an S2000 just get an Elise it is soooo far superior it's silly.



an elise is also much more expensive its silly.

thats like saying if you want an rx8 just get an m3 its silly.

1.) They're just showing the gear ratios and the speed compared to RPMs, they're not showing where they shift.



People are sick of us going back and forth as I am, so I'll - atleast - stop. But man, watching you go unchallenged only because most are simply ignoring you is just too hard to take.

...so more reasons why YOU ARE WRONG, I'll spell it out. I'm sure you have the "Fourgasm" Car&Driver issue, where they tested all the modded Evo's. Look at the test summary at the back where it describes testing proceedures, it's almost as if they wrote it for you when they say "redline is never exceeded."

So, once again, the low 95/96mph trap speeds of the 8 - that you've spent 3426 threads on - is done with a 9000rpm redline shift, not using the the 500rpm overrev.

I dont get it... why would you want to over rev it? or even shift at redline? the best shift point is somewhere befor the redline... shifting at or past redline just slows you down?

I dont get it... why would you want to over rev it? or even shift at redline? the best shift point is somewhere befor the redline... shifting at or past redline just slows you down?
Here's what I already wrote on the issue...

All mags have tested the 8 at low 95/96mph traps, shifting at redline as a rule. If you actually drove an 8, you’d know that the shift into 4th at redline feels like driving into wet concrete, it takes a couple of moments but then its back onto decent power. This is what kills the 8’s trap speed in the quarter. Cars with more torque aren’t as exposed to this, nor are cars that have the fuel consumption issues of the 8 that I’m sure has influenced gear ratio selection. As a former kart racer, you must have played with rear sprockets sizes to suit particular tracks, I still have a set in the garage to use with my sport bike. Yet you don’t get it. Aerodynamics and weight are other factors, but this thread getting long enough.

...point is, you want to be in the meat of the powerband once you shift. Shifting from 3 to 4th at 9000rpm redline (88-90mph) gets you into the lower/mid 6000rpm's, where that shift at 9500rpm gets you into the high 6's. If your are not in the 7000-9500 range, you're loosing time.

Won't make the 8 into a Z beater, but I'll improve your times and traps.

it dosnt work like that bro, you are not taking into account of the power lost at the top of the rev range by going to or past redline

the 6mt rx8 makes it peak hp at 8500rpm, anywhere past that RPM you are loosing power fast. if you wait till 9500rpm to shift, you are going to spend an entire 1000RPM while loosing power. It actually slows you down down more than shift at or before redline. furthermore, the max torque comes around 5500rpm, so when you shift you want to land somewhere around there instead of 7000+

There is a whole formula to calculate your optimal shift point based on your powercurve for the best acceleration, that point is ALWAYS before redline. shifting at or after redline just slows you down

http://www.bgsoflex.com/shifter.html --you can use this site to find relatively where the optimal shift point is for each gear

as far as i know... in general the optimal shift point is about 2-3 hundred rpms after the point where it makes its peak hp.

^^Must be why so many cars are limited right at the damn start of the redline. That and the engine can't handle it like the rotary. :) But seriously, about lucifuge's post, I can tell you from first hand experiance that the RX-8 is FAR superior in the handling department. And that is with struts, sways, and tires on the RSX. RX-8 will outhandle RSX any day. And another thing, the RSX vtec is kick ass but I made three passes with it (redlining the first 2 and 7000 on the second) and after the third I caught a whiff of something very strong. With the 8 I could make passes all day long and she would willingly go on.

^^^^ Keep in mind I am talking about the 03s, don't know much about the next generation or if they beefed up the suspension.

it dosnt work like that bro, you are not taking into account of the power lost at the top of the rev range by going to or past redline

the 6mt rx8 makes it peak hp at 8500rpm, anywhere past that RPM you are loosing power fast. if you wait till 9500rpm to shift, you are going to spend an entire 1000RPM while loosing power. It actually slows you down down more than shift at or before redline. furthermore, the max torque comes around 5500rpm, so when you shift you want to land somewhere around there instead of 7000+

There is a whole formula to calculate your optimal shift point based on your powercurve for the best acceleration, that point is ALWAYS before redline. shifting at or after redline just slows you down

It does on the 8, atleast it feels like it does. Try your 3 to 4 shift at 9000 vs. 9500 and see for yourself.

Yes, peak power is at 8500, but is it lower at over 9000rpm vs. 6000 rpm?

sounds like psychological to me. i dont know where it is for sure but the max shift point is somewhere between 8500 and 9000 rpm. please keep in mind its not just a function of hp, its a function of torque and gear ratio too.

normally the optimal shift point is 2-3 hundred rpms after peak hp, so in the rx8's case it should be 8700 or 8800 rpm roughly. Mazda or any car maker simply wouldnt tune the engine to have optimal shift point past redline. its all about the compromize between maximizing the acceleration after you drop into the new gear AND minimizing the loss of acceleration after peak hp.

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=98997&highlight=optimum+shift+point just read this thread it shows rx8 is an abberation. so you are probably right! due to the crappy torque curve of the rx8 :p, but well i still wouldnt shift at 9500 though

Dont let FWD fool you, Honda/Acura went out of their way to make an awesome handling car in FWD, and they succeeded. Yes, it is probably not as top notch in outright handling compared to the Rx8, but having owned both, I can tell you, it's bloody close.


You can't compensate a FWD for a RWD with technology. No matter how you put it, power will be delivered to either the front or the rear of a vehicle making a different driving feel. FWD drive is great for winter driving, but it can have too much torque steer and its no 'fun' in the snow if you like to play around.

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=98997&highlight=optimum+shift+point just read this thread it shows rx8 is an abberation. so you are probably right!

Thanks for the thread, I always wondered about this, 'cause the difference in feel is really noticeable when I use the overrev.

On small displacement sportbikes the overrev is actually a selling point, allows you to hang on to gears longer or again, shift into the meat of the next gear. Also a nice autox feature of the 8.

My point all along is, a 500rpm overrev is a rarity with cars. Even the s2000 only allows the usual 200rpm overrev. I'd love to see a formal test using the overrev, I betcha its good for atleast a couple of mph on a 1/4 mile trap.

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=98997&highlight=optimum+shift+point just read this thread it shows rx8 is an abberation. so you are probably right! due to the crappy torque curve of the rx8 :p, but well i still wouldnt shift at 9500 though

We weren't talking about shift points we were talking about the end of the 1/4 mile. If you can get to the end without having to shift to 4th it will probably yield a better time. Between this thread and the Z thread my head hurts, I'm going back to just makes short snide remarks :cwm27:

We weren't talking about shift points we were talking about the end of the 1/4 mile. If you can get to the end without having to shift to 4th it will probably yield a better time. Between this thread and the Z thread my head hurts, I'm going back to just makes short snide remarks :cwm27:

The RB flash will put you to 100 MPH in 3rd instead of 92.

The RB flash will put you to 100 MPH in 3rd instead of 92.

So is 92 at redline or is 92 fuel cut? I've asked this before and have gotten mixed answers.

92 is fuel cut. redline is only 9k, fuel cut is 9300

though the tach is off that high and it looks like 9500

i wasnt paying attention to waht you and 90210 were arguing about Ike. I was just responding to his comment about shifting after redline...

i think the OP in that thread should have made 1st gear shift at ~8850rpm then hed land around 5500rpm instead of 5670... , that should give 2nd gear more pull? i think he just did his math based on shifting at 9000rpm in first.

You can't compensate a FWD for a RWD with technology. No matter how you put it, power will be delivered to either the front or the rear of a vehicle making a different driving feel. FWD drive is great for winter driving, but it can have too much torque steer and its no 'fun' in the snow if you like to play around.

Sure it will have a different feel, I'm not saying it doesnt. What I am trying to get across is that for practical driving on the street, the RSX is pretty bloody top notch. Having owned both I feel like I've got a marginally slower car that still handles bloody well, I can fit a surfboard in the back with seats down, costs a lot less and uses a shitload less fuel.

You (and others) may have driven an RSX, maybe not. All I can say is, I had never driven one and was blown away when I did. So much so, I sold my Rx8 for one.

The RSX doesnt have any torque steer and if I want to play in the snow I'll go skiing. :)

my girlfriend owns a 04 rsx-s, and i drive it a lot!!
i mean, the rsx-s are not slow, especially when the v-tech kicks in. but i still think the rx8 is faster, at least mine feels faster! and a stock rsx-s handle sucks, the shocks are too soft, feels like the car is bouncing all over the place!! a lot of body roll.
but one think you cant beat it is it has really good gas mileage!!

Still hate Hondas, know why? They don't have one iconic car. Nothing, plainsville. They're on the cover of Consumer Reports not C&D.

Icons:
Chevy -- Vette
Ford -- Mustang
Mazda RX, Miata
Nissan Z
Dodge Charger
Toyota Supra

Honda Civic ?!?!?

The S2000 performs better then the Miata but the miata is the car everything else is compared to. If you want an S2000 just get an Elise it is soooo far superior it's silly.

Blech, Honda has lovely reliable technology. The vtech engine is amazing, CVT great. But it's still a honda. It's like an ugly girl that's in GREAT shape. Who cares.

:P NH



Honda NSX S2000 type-R

^^ i'd say the honda civic (even the typeR)

What's up with the Honda hate???

What's up with the Honda hate???

ditto!

Honda knows how to make a car...however, most of them are exactly what the average consumer wants: Inexpensive, reliable, safe and fuel efficient. They do try to factor in some sport to some of their models, but it's still that base econobox underneath.

Honda makes a great car, and Toyota does it even better.

Honda knows how to make a car...however, most of them are exactly what the average consumer wants: Inexpensive, reliable, safe and fuel efficient. They do try to factor in some sport to some of their models, but it's still that base econobox underneath.

Honda makes a great car, and Toyota does it even better.

what a load of horsesh*t.

Mazda and Honda are on par for car types: Mazda has the Rx8, MPS 3 and Mx-5 with the remainder being family sedans and other. Honda/Acura have the S2000, RSX and Civic Type_R on the horizon, with remainder being family sedans and other. A quick reminder dude: the S2000 is quicker than the Rx8. So your comments are ridiculous.

They simply offer sports and other cars depending upon your TASTE.

what a load of horsesh*t.

Mazda and Honda are on par for car types: Mazda has the Rx8, MPS 3 and Mx-5 with the remainder being family sedans and other. Honda/Acura have the S2000, RSX and Civic Type_R on the horizon, with remainder being family sedans and other. A quick reminder dude: the S2000 is quicker than the Rx8. So your comments are ridiculous.

They simply offer sports and other cars depending upon your TASTE.
hey noob, calm down, rotarctica didn't post anything that qualifies as "horsestuff" in that post. It was an honest opinion that alot of folks will agree on, BUT please don't start a freakin s2000 is faster hijack.

Yeah! what dillsrotary post. enough said

hey noob, calm down, rotarctica didn't post anything that qualifies as "horsestuff" in that post. It was an honest opinion that alot of folks will agree on, BUT please don't start a freakin s2000 is faster hijack.

noob?? grrr

how can anyone believe that is an honest opinion?? Objectively, it's flawed!

Fair enough on "not another s2000 debate" tho

I did forget the NSX. Although I have never seen one at the dealer. Notice I didn't include the viper for the same reason. The NSX is/was an awesome car but is not iconic, more of an oddity.

As for the comment on the Elise, when I looked at them they were 40k and the s2000's were selling for 36k at a premium. The used market makes the M3 and elise afforadable to an 8 or s2k owner. The Elise is NOT a daily driver tough but from what I've heard the M3 and Z punish your kidneys just as well. :) NH

^ S2000's selling at premium??? LOL!

You should be able to get an 07 at invoice with minimal haggling. That's < 32K.

For fun i go with 8. but you get hella props for owing a rsx, because its hella jdm like that you heard! Vtec is hella jdm in the hella jdm world. also make sure you put hella lot of stickers on the rsx, becuase it makes you hella faster then a rsx with out stickers. and also you will get mad props for having lots of stickers. and also make sure you put them on backwards because that is hella jdm you heard!

lol.. lets not talk about NSX's and whatnot.. the guy just wanted your opinions as to which was the better car.. the rsx type S or the 8.. each car has their strong points... if you're more into style and exterior design and looks but ur okay with sacrificing gas milage.. get the 8.. but.. if ur more into performance and small cheap bolt on mods for big power gains.. go for the rsx-S.. each car is equally nice in my opinion.. the only reason why i dindt get an rsx is bc liek i said.. my best friend who lives 3 blocks away has one =\. absoultley stunning car.. and once you hit vtec in that thing your'e goneeeee

for some extra flare on the rsx-S.. if you can.. try and get the RSX-S A-spec body kit.. gets u the front lip, skirts, rear lip and spoiler.. throw a cat back exhaust, intake, headers, suspension and thats a mean sharp lookin car.. quick too

well last time i raced an rsx-s we were on a 20 roll. it pulled on me on first and second, but once i hit third. i whoooooped him. at least by like 3 car lengths. no joke. i felt good. hehe