http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/203084/mazda_readying_another_suv.html

Masahiro Moro had this to say(among other things)

the Japanese firm has also hinted that it could expand its sporty MPS brand in the future. Currently, only the 3 family hatchback plus 6 saloon and estate get the performance upgrade. But Moro explained: "There's no concrete plan yet. Maybe the RX-8 or MX-5, or even the 5 could be added."

This is why we love you Charlie. You're always on top of the latest news.

Paul. :)

Here's to hoping it becomes a reality.

Thanks for the post Zoom.

Charlie is back in top form. Good stuff man.

If they have no plans yet, but COULD be doing it, that means what? 2009 or 2010 at the earliest?

I am pretty sure they wont make a Mazdaspeed 5 haha... wats the point! errr Mazdaspeed MX-5........ its a little new, ususally doesnt happen until 3rd or 4th year....
so.............. that leaves the RX-8!

yay, mazdaspeed8 next year!
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I've heard some inside information that they will release the MS RX8 in 2030!!!! YEAH! I can't wait I'll be like 61!

If they have no plans yet, but COULD be doing it, that means what? 2009 or 2010 at the earliest?
True but look how long it was befor the Miata guys got what they wanted :wiggle:

Mazda is really going to have to step it up to keep up with competitors. MS is definitely the way to go.

I'll be pissed if the new MX-5 gets the MS treatment before the RX-8. But it's probably much easier to just take the same 2.3L turbo they've got in the MS6, MS3 & CX-7 and squeeze it into the MX-5. Or they could simply turbocharge the 2.0L in the MX-5.

Anything less than 285-300 hp won't do for a MS RX-8, but it's easier said than done.

MS MX5 makes more sense since GM is going to be running away with the market segment pretty soon with the Redline products

I'll be pissed if the new MX-5 gets the MS treatment before the RX-8. But it's probably much easier to just take the same 2.3L turbo they've got in the MS6, MS3 & CX-7 and squeeze it into the MX-5. Or they could simply turbocharge the 2.0L in the MX-5.

Anything less than 285-300 hp won't do for a MS RX-8, but it's easier said than done.
I dont know 285-300hp is great. After that its not to hard to squez out a extra 50-100+hp out with a after market kit.

I posted a link about the possibility of a Mazdaspeed (MPS) MX-5 nearly 2 weeks ago when the Mazda President was in Australia...

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=99733

The MX-5 designer when questioned was asked about a turbo MX-5 and said..

"MX-5 program manager Takao Kijima has ruled out a rotary engine and even a turbo boost for the convertible sportscar.

He says it is more likely the car may be fitted with a slightly larger engine, probably a 2.3-litre four-cylinder with direct injection technology to give the car a mid-life boost."

If a 2.3 litre MZR 'DI' engine is not a turbo...then?

Would be great to read concrete evidence that an RX-8 IS in the PIPELINE..to help put all of us out of our missery...this speculation has been going on for a few years now...somehow I still have faith that it WILL happen....sooner rather than later...


Goes to show the the Autoexpress journo fails to proof read his text, an MPS Wagon was Not on the cards...But a Mazdapeed 6 (MPS) Hatchback was an original concept model.

As far as a Mazdaspeed (MPS) 5...Interesting...believe that one when I see it, perhaps he meant the Mazda 5 Rotary Hybrid Concept?

of course the official word from Mazda North America via Jeremy Barnes is as usual:

On the new business: I can't discuss any future products. Period.
Sorry. Any speculation you've seen or read is just that: speculation,
and I cannot confirm or deny it.
i know better than to ask really but thought since the Euro guy said something that MNAO might want to contribute to the hype as well.

If the MS 8 comes out, I want to be able to buy the go fast parts over the counter...

Mazda needs to do something. All the sports cars are getting bumps in power and handling. The 8 is getting left behind, and we didn't start in the front to begin with.

I vote for a halo car in a new 7! But I will take a MS 8.

How about the Mazda 2 as well while they're at it?

J Barnes is just a PR beek... he won't tell you much, he must love you after the RX-8 Service Video issue.. :nono: :) PR guys tend to know very little on any new model thats more than a year or so away...

From my experience here it was the State and National Service Managers (Wholesale) knew a lot more on what was actually IN the pipeline from regular meetings and briefings in Hiroshima, you would get to know what Mazda is developing in terms of new engines, transmissions, etc 6 years or more from their release...

Spare Parts departments have to submit initial parts orders 12 to 18 months out from any new model release....you could get an idea what's in the new model, what parts are reused (engine,tranny) or all new by their part numbers..

The only thing generally what Service and Parts Managers could not tell you is what the car looked like, those briefings are about 12 to 18 months out also, with VERY limited pics.

As J Barnes says...its all speculation... and his job security/position protection.

Even when the MS RX-8 gets released, or if, people are still not gonna be happy. I have seen it hinted at many times that if a MS RX-8 does get released it will be supercharged, and if you look at Pettit Racings supercharger they are getting about 60hp on theirs. Sooo, in short, if the RX-8 does get the mazdaspeed treatment, expect a new badge, maybe different wheels, maybe mazdaspeed parts, and a supercharger, and expect it to be rediculously overpriced for 60 extra horsies. And then also consider this, 60hp is with an aggressive tune, Mazda is anything but aggressive with their FI, so I am guessing 275hp is what will be stamped on the outside, and at the dyno we'll be seeing 230-240 on a good day. I think the people waiting for the mazdaspeed version are fooling themselves and the only way to get any decent power out of the renesis is with a turbo or supercharger thats already been released. Mazda isn't going to do anything that hasn't been done better already.

240 rwhp its perfect for this car, this car does not need 1000 hp more to be compeititve, you can allways get more out of aftermarket parts but will it be relyable?

did you see the video of the JDM mazdaspeed on track? that car was tested and there was no improvement in straigt line aceleration, and yet it was able to beat an s2000 and a lot of other cars, it was 3 seconds faster around the track, IMAGINE THIS CAR WITH 50 OR 60 RWHP MORE!

If Mazda isn't going to up the HP, then a tighter suspension setup and other enhancements would be the only way to go.

they aleady have that available.

and actually I think Mr. Barnes and I get along quite well.

the mazdaspeed tribute is coming up next...haha

a few years ago they had mazdaspeed versions of all there cars including 2 rx-7 type a and type r, the parts for this are still avalible

having Mazdaspeed parts available for a car and releasing a Mazdaspeed version of the car are two completely different things. There were actually 5 different "kits" for the FD: A-Spec, 15th Anniversary, GTC, R-Spec and B-Spec; but never a Mazdaspeed RX-7 that you could buy from the dealership.

they aleady have that available.

and actually I think Mr. Barnes and I get along quite well.

On his Christmas card list Zoom :rock:

See Barnsey has a new helper Charlie...Danica Laub!

"MAZDA NORTH AMERICAN OPERATIONS NAMES DANICA LAUB COMMUNICATIONS SPECIALIST

Mazda North American Operations today announced the recent appointment of Danica Laub as communications specialist. Reporting to Jeremy Barnes, group manager, product communications, Laub will serve as a media contact for all North American media on issues relating to Mazda’s current and future vehicles, corporate marketing and event communications and Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca events."

Hi Danica!!

having Mazdaspeed parts available for a car and releasing a Mazdaspeed version of the car are two completely different things. There were actually 5 different "kits" for the FD: A-Spec, 15th Anniversary, GTC, R-Spec and B-Spec; but never a Mazdaspeed RX-7 that you could buy from the dealership.

thats how mazdaspeed use to work you had to order the car at the dealer, there were no production runs of mazdaspeed cars excep for the 15 anniversary if memory serves right

Welcome Danica:) be seeing you at 7stock i hope since you are the contact for events communication. its good they got jeremy some help. now if they would only open up a little more about the unloading of the ship....

My little birdie tells me that Mazda management is seriously considering stopping production of the RX-8. Maybe 2007 is the last year. Of course, being pig-headed and all, they are also mandating that the Kabura (which definitely will be produced) be able to accomodate a rotary. It's not yet for sure that the Kabura will be a rotary...they just want to keep that option open. Hopfully they'll put a turbo 4 in it instead!

they aleady have that available.

and actually I think Mr. Barnes and I get along quite well.

Yeah but it would be nice if you could get the whole MS suspension package as a factory-installed option that you just check off. I understand the difficulties in making a turbo rotary pass emissions, but a suspension option would be nice. The FD had one I think, the R1 package or something?

My little birdie tells me that Mazda management is seriously considering stopping production of the RX-8. Maybe 2007 is the last year. Of course, being pig-headed and all, they are also mandating that the Kabura (which definitely will be produced) be able to accomodate a rotary. It's not yet for sure that the Kabura will be a rotary...they just want to keep that option open. Hopfully they'll put a turbo 4 in it instead!
It'd be nice if Mazda kept development up on the rotary, but at the minimum I hope they will keep the RX line alive and respectable.

It'd be nice if Mazda kept development up on the rotary, They are. They have reported several times the the Rotary is getting their attention, the progress they have made with new developments, and how the Rotary is part of their history and will not go anywhere.

I just dont get why people keep sayn that the rx-8 its going to die, its selling steady at 1000+ cars world wide, the platform its share by another car maybe 2 in a few month, it meeds all emisions standars, and it is one of the most succesfull rotary cars ever made in terms of sales, so why? because of the fd? THERES NO COMPARISON BETWEEN THE TWO, COMPLETELY DIFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES!

Nice find Charlie!

My little birdie tells me that Mazda management is seriously considering stopping production of the RX-8. Maybe 2007 is the last year. Of course, being pig-headed and all, they are also mandating that the Kabura (which definitely will be produced) be able to accomodate a rotary. It's not yet for sure that the Kabura will be a rotary...they just want to keep that option open. Hopfully they'll put a turbo 4 in it instead!


I think this is the most plausible thing to happen. I would expect a MX-3(or 6) announcment at LA or Detroit. With a RX-3(or 6 or 7) later. Both would be Kubura based.

They already have a SC RX-8. We've seen it before.

If they wait till 2008 then most will have their 8's paid off and be ready to buy the new SC version.

They already have a SC RX-8. We've seen it before.

If they wait till 2008 then most will have their 8's paid off and be ready to buy the new SC version.

I think it would be awesome if Mazda took the RP AxialFlow supercharger and helped Paul fine tune it for practical mass production. He's been working on it for years to make it about as perfect as it can be and performed more R&D than most other aftermarket systems. It should function with the most minimal of additional requirements and it would be as unique as the rotary and RX-8 itself.

Come on, Mazda, if you're reading this help Paul out!

give mazda a year to show they solved the engine recall isue and then we will see a few new rotary models

I Hope your right RC..

Unless Mazda throws the rotary in the Kabura (which may be their intention as a 2.0 litre 4 banger to me seems a bit of a smoke screen), I think the only rotary model to continue will be the RX-8 at least to 2010.

They have a 2.0 litre MX-5, now also a Roadster Coupe (PRHT What a lame name for the US).

Why another 2 door coupe (Kabura) with the same engine?

lightweight rotary rocket. = kabura.. man about time to get back on topic...

Its a "Mazda Europe VP of Marketing hints at MPS/Mazdaspeed RX-8" thread, dont turn it into a "I think mazda will discontinue the RX-8" thread.

its like the total opposite lol...
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They have a 2.0 litre MX-5, now also a Roadster Coupe (PRHT What a lame name for the US).

Why another 2 door coupe (Kabura) with the same engine?

people dont view the mx-5 or the prht variant as an actual coupe. what mazda is looking at is an entry level coupe that will square up against the scion tc and chevy cobalt and others of that ilk.

^ But be RWD instead of FWD. :rock:

people dont view the mx-5 or the prht variant as an actual coupe. what mazda is looking at is an entry level coupe that will square up against the scion tc and chevy cobalt and others of that ilk.

As far as I know...the rest of the world don't have a Chevy Cobalt, or Scion (Toyota) TC, the only "cheap" 2 door coupes here are Korean..Mazda don't square up with those...well not here.

I thought an MX-5 Roadster Coupe (called this outside of the US) is a "Coupe",
because it does not have a solid fixed roof..it's not a coupe then.

I am still not sure about this Kabura... makes it three 2 door vehicles in their line up with 2.0 litre 4?
IMO there still could be a surprise with the Kabura, its not the first time for Mazda to spring a surprise...

there is only one 2door now- MX-5. an entry level coupe will be the 2nd

I dont see anything wrong with having 2 or 3 coupes as long as they are for diferent segments

Are there any light weight cheap RWD coupes on the market right now? Can anyone name any? From the concept Kabura, it comes with a 2.0L engine and its 3+1 seats configuration. Do you think Mazda would make it into a rotary engined 2 seater? That'd be quite a suprise. Mazda seems to like introducing cars that fills in the missing segment on the market.

Btw rotarycrazy, did your RX-8 arrive yet? =d
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Got this price list yesterday from Mazda Australia, cars went up $100 on average from 1st October..
So adding another 2 door vehicle Kabura (making 3) that are "coupe" in design...where would you think it could slot in at an entry level..

These are our Recommended retail prices, Dealers can't charge more for low supply or popularity...

Mazda 3 Maxx Sport Sedan (manual) $27,500
Mazda 3 Sedan SP23 (2.3litre)............32,600
Mazda 3 MPS.......................................43,690
MX-5 Soft Top......................................42,870
MX-5 Roadster Coupe..........................47,660

I somehow think that if the Kabura (MX-?) has a 2 litres donk, in Australia a top of the range model would retail for about $35-38 K.

I dont know how much the Aust dollars converts to. But think the Kabura should fall below the price of the MPS3, and slight above a fully loaded Mazda3. Simply because the car is smaller, more platform + engine sharing (for 2.0L and even a rotary).
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I agree It could be between 33 and 35K,I don't think we will see the 3+1 seating configuration, would all depend on US, Europe and Australian design rules, quite often concept designs fail the test when put into "saleable" models.

Add about another 10k "if" it's born with a Rotary!

$18,000 us dollars $24,000 fully loaded

$18,000 us dollars $24,000 fully loaded


This is the range it needs to be priced at to be sucessful. It would eat into the FWD hot hatch/coupe market big time.

I would buy one fast(read preorder).

$22,000 for the base rotary equiped, harder suspension setting, larger brakes, etc. :rock:

^^I would hit that in a second.

Mazda should just do a club spec version of the RX8. That would definately be cool. I think it would go pretty well too.

^^I would hit that in a second.

Mazda should just do a club spec version of the RX8. That would definately be cool. I think it would go pretty well too.

well, most of mazda's decicions just dont make sence!

well, most of mazda's decicions just dont make sence!"Mazda is proud to announce its new and most innovative performance package for the RX8 called "Club Spec". This is aimed at the weekend warriors who aim to get the most out of their car. The listed changes below are what differentiates the Club Spec RX8 from the other models:

2008 RX8 Club Spec
-Radical Orange Paint
-Alcantra "race" seats
-Rear Window Zoom Zoom Decal

Lmao!!!!!!!

Im almost sure that mazda is going to anounce the mazdaspeed rx-8 and the kabura go ahead at the SS9 banquet.

so for those of us that are not going you better have those cameras rolling!!!!!!!!!!

Kabura with a 3 rotor NA rotary engine - where can I leave a deposit to order one?

A 2 Rotor Renesis NA is all you need in a 2500lb Kabura.

YES, 2 rotor Kabura 3 rotor RX-8 :rock:

A 2 Rotor Renesis NA is all you need in a 2500lb Kabura.


Because of the weight difference you know it would be tuned down from the 8's factory power levels. most likely. if it happend. if the car goes into production.

BTW if its produced i will be a preorder candidate also.

You''ll be more likely to see the 4port version in the Kabura.

Because of the weight difference you know it would be tuned down from the 8's factory power levels. most likely. if it happend. if the car goes into production.

BTW if its produced i will be a preorder candidate also.


The automatice version of the Renesis would be plenty for the lightweight Kubura. If produced I will pre order as well no mater the engine.

You''ll be more likely to see the 4port version in the Kabura.

Pretty sure Mazda has fazed out the 4 port version all together. I guess they could resurrect it, though.

The automatice version of the Renesis would be plenty for the lightweight Kubura. If produced I will pre order as well no mater the engine.


Getting the 4 port would piss me off. Maybe just because i dont know the tuning potential of it but there is still more potential for the 6 port even given a very mild tune from the factory.

The 2.0 from the miata would not upset me one bit. That motor has been out for a long time and there are a lot of people/tuners that know how to do a lot of things with that motor.

Starting with the lightwieght car is a good start and the goal is between a 7-8:1 weight/power ratio on pump gas for me if the car comes out.

I am pretty sure they abandoned the 4-ports too, they introduced the 6-ports 6-speed automatic in Japan a while ago right?... The 4-ports would make a great FI engine tho. But haha the redline is a little low to truely enjoy the rotary!

I want to see 200hp in the Kabura with 2600lbs from the factory, that'd be enough for me. With a aftermarket tune I hope it can reach 250hp.
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I want to see 200hp in the Kabura with 2600lbs from the factory, that'd be enough for me. With a aftermarket tune I hope it can reach 250hp.


This is what I am hoping for as well.

the 4port is still available with a 5speed in other markets. I expect 190bhp from the entry level kabura based coupe at start. followed later by a 200plus hp version

Sounds good, zoom44~
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Hmmmm... Is the 2.0L capable of pushing 190hp? are you hinting it'd have a rotary? =D
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hmm- no but the 2.3 with DI could i think. just my thoughts mind you

mazda should make 4 engine options for this car: 2.0, 2.3 DI and renesis, and for the ultimate sports car a FI renesis for the kabura mazdaspeed, the same engine in the mazdaspeed rx-8 :naughty:

280 HP 2600 LBS :aroused:

I know im dreaming

I would like to retract my previous statement about the 4port. I have been learned a little bit about the 4ports since then.

I still see it as fairly unlikely that it would get a 4 port if it gets a rotary.

Anything I should know contradictory to this zoom?

Hmmmm... Is the 2.0L capable of pushing 190hp? are you hinting it'd have a rotary? =DI think when Mazda debut the Kabura it had a modified 2.0 MZR engine with 190hp engine output.

Talks about future MAzda models really heated up on the forum lately haha, I wonder if its related to SS9.
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Yep, along with SEMA, and upcoming auto shows.

Yep, along with SEMA, and upcoming auto shows.


yea its about that time of the year...

We sill have the 4 speed Auto here as our 2006 model, they still have stocks of 2005's!

I can't work out why Mazda Australia have not included the 6 speed auto this year...may be something to do with the price....

The 8 sales here have just about bloody died!, why, because they are too bloody F"N expensive!...I mean really $64,570.00 AU for a 'Revelation' 6 speed manual! come on that's
$48,931.00 US...

$61,810.00AU / $46,839.00US for a 6 speed manual "leather" with sunroof!

An Australian dollar is worth 0.75cents to the US dollar.....roughly only a 25% difference.

MA are a bloody rip off!...bastards...GRRRRR...GRRR

Anyway...
Cant wait to see what's new in the New Years!

Kabura Rotary (RX-6), I'll buy that one..mate!

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