If you sell yours back... does that mean I (we) can get it as a used vehicle? Dang.... tell us who you are and what dealers you're going to turn the keys into.

Maybe a spare 8 in a different color.... hmmmmm.


Thanks in advance!

;)

Sorry, Mazda will be telling me in about three weeks which dealer to drop the car off at and then the car will be shipped to Mazda.
I bought mine in St, Louis and live in Kansas City. They said it would be a Kansas City dealer for the return.


(Still have not pulled the trigger, just sent the information they requested, that's it)

I read somewhere in another thread that the employees of mazda is probably going to get first dibs at the returns.

anyway the dealerships aren't buying the cars back, Mazda is... So I doubt there will be any of these available at any dealership, not immediately anyway.

Yes, a perfectly good car is going to be branded as a lemon-law buy-back vehicle because of 9 missing hp. They will not be re-sold to consumers at the dealer. Mazda employees are getting first dibs on them, and I hear quite a few are excited and waiting for you to turn your car in.

Would the returned cars actually be branded as "lemons" if all other RX-8s are identical to them? Maybe it's a legal requirement of some sort.

well for those who are turning in their cars, it's a very good thing because the cars will actually be owned by people who can look beyond a number on paper, and who can appreciate the RX-8 for all that it is... an outstanding car and a real value.

I love my RX8, i just want to get one with Navigation.

Originally posted by Squidward
well for those who are turning in their cars, it's a very good thing because the cars will actually be owned by people who can look beyond a number on paper, and who can appreciate the RX-8 for all that it is... an outstanding car and a real value.

My reasons go WELL beyond a missing 9 horses. For one, I'm quite certain that the rear wheel dynos tell the more accurate picture and those would show that either the engine hp is no where near 238 hp or for some reason the 8 is losing twice as much power from the engine to the rear wheels as it should.

Another reason is uncomfortable cabin heat. My friend rode along the other day, and without my saying a word, told me that his feet were getting really hot.

Another reason is an inadequate air conditioner that many others have experienced as well. Not acceptable in Texas summers.

Another reason is the dismal miles per gallon. Avgs of 16-17 mph for a relatively light car with only average power that is driven non-aggresively is disappointing to say the least.

But the biggest reason is that I own a pickup and a motorcycle. Because I have alternate transportation I can take advantage of driving the Hell out of this car for another 5 weeks or so and getting a FULL refund when I'm done. I can then drive what I already own for several weeks or months and see if there is something that suits me better. If not, I'm absolutely positive that I will be able to jump back into the RX8 market for thousands of dollars less than what I paid a month ago. Why? Because like a wrote in another thread, there were 26 sitting at one of three area dealerships as of last Friday. As they stack up the price will drop. With the negative press from the buyback and with a still weak economy I'm quite sure incentives will be offered on new RX8's by year-end.

Go to a Honda dealership and you might see one or two S2000s....at a Nissan dealership you might see 3 or 4 350Zs. Twenty six, only a month or so after introduction scares the Hell out of me.

If you have none of the above problems with your car and if you cannot drive something else for a few months were you to sell back to Mazda then you have every reason to be proud of your car and its wonderfully smooth engine, transmission and brakes. I, like many, have too many Gremlins in my 1st year car not to take advantage of this mulligan Mazda is offering.

Good luck with your choice.

Im keeping mine. 9hp who cares. It is still a bad ass car.

If nothing drastic happens in the next few weeks, I will definitely be keeping my car.

But I wonder if those of you who plan to drive it until the end of September and then go for the buyback have thought of the possibility that you might get in an accident between now and then? That would suck. If I had made my decision to go for the buyback, I'd start that process right now. With my luck, I'd still get run into before Mazda took it back. :p

Just got back from 200 exhilarating miles of Texas hill country driving - lots of twisties and some long straight stretches of road. I'm sorry to disappoint everyone, but if you want MY car, you'll have to pry it from my COLD DEAD HANDS!!

I want to be buried in this car.

Seriously, I have zero complaints about this incredible automobile. 100mph feels like a leisurely Sunday drive, handling is great, and the car has a lot of passing power, which I used frequently today to get around the Sunday drivers doing only 65.

If there's horsepower missing from this car, I sure as hell don't miss it. While I respect others' decisions to take the buyback option, I will never understand it. I wish they would go back and test drive another car, because if they say there's no power above 6K, something is wrong. Maybe I got lucky and have the world's best-performing RX-8, but I doubt it. I pray that if there is indeed a systemic problem, that Mazda finds out what it is, so that everyone else can enjoy driving this gem as much as I do.

Good luck to all the buyback folks - I hope you find what you're looking for. I also hope to see you back next year with a 2005 model :)

Got my letter two days ago from Mazda. Spoke to a customer service representative to see if there was any hope of getting a fix for the decreased horsepower and was told no, only the buy back offer or the $500 and service.
I am returning the car for these reasons.
1. Mazda does not intend to fix the problem.
2. I had to pay $3,185 over the MSRP (because it was such a hot sports car, and so much in demand)
This car is just not what it was advertised to be. I ended up paying $36,285 before tax title and licence for a car that had a msrp of $33,100. I did this at the time thinking that I was getting a 247hp car that at the time I calculated would be putting down around 200 to the rear wheels. The $500 and free maintenance does not add up to the price I had to pay over msrp.
I think I will be looking for another FD with low miles, 1995 R2 hopefully. I bought the RX8 to be a daily driver so I could keep my modified FD for just occasional use. After spending time with the RX8, I think I would be better off with a stock FD as a daily driver. That car truly delivers as a sports car.
During this decision making process, I looked at and test drove a Nissan 350Z. At the end of a long test drive with the Z, I got back to the dealership and looked at the RX-8 next to the Z. Looks wise IMO the RX8 wins hands down. As I left the Nissan dealer in the RX-8 I have to say, overall in driving experience, the RX-8 wins again (not in terms of raw power, but it was a much smoother delivery of that power) and it felt better on the road. Maybe that is just my preference for those high reving rotary engines.
Too bad Mazda can't produce the numbers the originally advertised with the car. I like the car enough that if the dealer had not charged a markup, I would probably be keeping it even with the reduced numbers, but the combination of the over charge, and the lack of ability or willingness by Mazda to fix the problem was enough to make my decision.
I still think this car is going to do good for Mazda and I know from my research on these forums that alot of people love the car. I am one of those who does still love the car, but not enough to keep it at the price I had to pay.

I BOUGHT mine after the announcement. Even though I could give it back, I shall not.

While some people may disagree with my choice, vive le difference.

And I wouldn't spend my days sniffing around a message board dedicated to a car I didn't want. But hey, that's just me...

Originally posted by neomicro
2. I had to pay $3,185 over the MSRP (because it was such a hot sports car, and so much in demand).. Stop, go no further, good enough reason for me, send it back..

Originally posted by loco4rx8
If nothing drastic happens in the next few weeks, I will definitely be keeping my car.

But I wonder if those of you who plan to drive it until the end of September and then go for the buyback have thought of the possibility that you might get in an accident between now and then? That would suck. If I had made my decision to go for the buyback, I'd start that process right now. With my luck, I'd still get run into before Mazda took it back. :p

The thought HAS crossed my mind that I could wreck this car before the chance to give it back. The conspiracy nut side of me says that Mazda is giving so much time to sell back with the expectation that some of the cars will be wrecked, thus making it the insurance company's problem. In reality I'm sure it's more a matter of time required to set this thing up logistically and the hope that we will all fall in love with this car the longer we own it.

Originally posted by neomicro
2. I had to pay $3,185 over the MSRP (because it was such a hot sports car, and so much in demand)


No brainer......back it goes. And I'd never buy from that crooked dealership again. I went to Mississippi to buy my S2000 when it first came out because the dealers in Austin wanted $5,000 over MSRP. Got it for MSRP and, over 4 years later, would never think of buying anything from those greedy bastards.

In another thread I read that Mazda will not allow those who sell back their cars to buy another within some time frame (6 months?). Is this true? I bought mine with 144 miles on it (a demo for sure, but I couldn't wait for my pre-ordered titanium and I was taken with the nordic green). Who knows how it was broken in (though it runs great). I had a CEL problem (though it has not recurred) and a premature oil light (it's an early VIN -- improperly baffled oil pan?). I'm getting 20 mph plus or minus. Still, was thinking of selling it back, turning right around and buying another with a later VIN and a handful of miles. Does anyone know about restrictions on how soon you can buy another? (I love this car and am not considering anything else.)

Is this the only thread on this topic?? This is a HUGE issue. I, too, LOVE this car, but it is EXTREMELY tempting to send it back because certainly the next model year or sooner will improve on the HP and MPG and I am willing to wait (haven't sold my "other" car yet). My RX-8 resale is almost certainly going to stink especially if improvements are made just down the road. Getting this same car later--even if over 6 months from now--with better performance, better mileage, better resale and other minor fixes (A/C, for example) is too tempting. Are there any hidden conditions on the buyback???

wait till next year for impromements, but no, wait another 6 months and see what happens..keep waiting, of course its going to get better, naturally.

Better fuel consumption? I doubt it. Its a rotary, not a pissy 4 cil. Rotary's must run rich, running lean kills them.

To answer the question "R U Bringing your 8 back to Mazda? Tell us!!! PLEASE!", I am not returning it. I'm keeping it and taking the $500 and free schedule maintenance.

My car is performing as advertised. The stated HP number may have slipped, but not the performance times as evident from RotaryNews.com: Exclusive: Mazda's RX-8 1/4 mile Time Slips (http://rotarynews.com/view.php?id=208).

I also have not experienced the problems such as performance lag, AC problems, excessive heat, nor low MPG's. I have no reason to return the car.

Originally posted by RX-8 Zoomster
To answer the question "R U Bringing your 8 back to Mazda? Tell us!!! PLEASE!", I am not returning it. I'm keeping it and taking the $500 and free schedule maintenance.

My car is performing as advertised. The stated HP number may have slipped, but not the performance times as evident from RotaryNews.com: Exclusive: Mazda's RX-8 1/4 mile Time Slips (http://rotarynews.com/view.php?id=208).

I also have not experienced the problems such as performance lag, AC problems, excessive heat, nor low MPG's. I have no reason to return the car.

I second that. My car started out only getting 16 MPG but as it is getting broken in, my MPGs keep climbing after every tank. I just broke 20 MPG with the AC on and 70/30 city/highway driving. I'm redlining the hell out of the thing too(at least once or twice everytime I'm driving and I'm in and out of the thing 4 times a day).

My immediate reaction to the buyback is to return the car and buy a new one again in 6 months to a year (seems like a no brainer since I haven't sold my other car yet). In an effort to convince myself not to return the 8 for purely financial reasons, I threw together a crude spreadsheet (by financial analysis and statistical standards it's weak, but better than gut feel estimates). The "inputs" are below. It tells me that the financial incentives are a wash (a "loss" of less than $200 when selling the original RX-8 after 5 years compared to a newer version). So it really comes down to the "emotional" risk of keeping this version and then seeing a faster RX-8 6 months or so from now and regretting having kept this one. Still leaning toward return.

$30,000.00 -- Price paid (including TTT)
$800.00 -- Value of Mazda incentives to keep
7% -- Immediate percentage depreciation resulting from driving off lot (either version)
11% -- Immediate percentage depreciation resulting from driving off lot and buyback news
5 -- Years plan to keep
$29,500.00 -- Price paid for next RX-8 (assume 6 months from now)
5% -- Anticipated annual depreciation (both versions)
20% -- Odds that Mazda, within 1 year, will release a significantly better performing/improved MPG RX-8
5% -- Immediate percentage depreciation resulting from news of improved version
10% -- Odds that Mazda will discontinue the RX-8 in its first year
5% -- Immediate percentage appreciation resulting from news of discontinuation (collector car)
70% -- Odds that Mazda will continue production beyond 04 but make only minor changes
$500.00 -- Prep and advertising costs for sale

I'm trying to decide whether I should keep my RX-8 or not. To be honest, I'm not too concerned about the hp rating difference. I really enjoy the power it has and I love the handling. My biggest concern is the gas mileage I'm getting.


I commute 100 miles a day to work and back most of it freeway driving. But, I'm only getting about 18 MPG. Now, I do drive fast and like to push it when in the city but I expected better mileage because of all the freeway driving.


So, I'm not too happy with having to fill up every 2.5 days at $30 a pop. Is this consistent with what others are getting? BTW, I have about 1100 miles so far.

Originally posted by myrx8
Sorry, Mazda will be telling me in about three weeks which dealer to drop the car off at and then the car will be shipped to Mazda.
I bought mine in St, Louis and live in Kansas City. They said it would be a Kansas City dealer for the return.


(Still have not pulled the trigger, just sent the information they requested, that's it)

So are you selling back? I'm curious, did Mazda say the process will take three weeks or something?

I am just sending the paperwork in - I have yet to decide to keep it or not. This is the reason I want to turn it in:

1) When I got my car, I didn't get the Navigation. Now I want it.
2) I paid sticker for the car and I want to see if I can get a new RX8 at a discount (some poster have stated they have been able to)

The reason not to get rid of it:

1) I love the car. The speed and horsepower issues are not issues to me.

And Mazda did say the whole process takes about three weeks. I thought I could just take it back to the dealer I purchased it from, but that was wrong.

I will keep everyone updated.

By the way, the guy I talked to a Mazda said they have had a lot of owners want to turn in the car. No numbers yet.

First off: I LOVE the car.
Secondly: I hate being ripped off. I consider the fact that there is no way Mazda North America did not know they could not sell them with the Japanese spec ECUs making 247HP and my blood boils. Add to that the fact that they pulled the same crap with the 2001 Miata and I am convinced this an outright lie.

So, will I be turning it back?

Other factors:
What to get then? I sold my previous car, and need wheels regardless of what choice I make.
If I want better performance, it will certainly cost quite a bit more money.
If I want equivalent or better amenities and luxury items, the same situation applies.

Small things are wrong, and well documented here.
Some are fixable: Oil lights coming on, floor mats with no hold-down clip, and so on, but I expect those to be fixed soon.
Bigger ones like poor gas mileage are problematic, but I did not expect good mileage. No rotary up to now has had good mileage, so I did not expect better. Besides I do not put on all that much each year, so the cost is bearable.

So I probably will have little choice but to accept their offer, and keep the car.

OTOH, if a sufficient number return the cars, the word gets around, and they start being discounted, then I will be stuck with a lemon.

I DO know that if I keep the car, and they then FIX the problem, and we get stuck with the underpowered situation as is, I WILL GO BALLISTIC!

This is all beginning to sound like a "lose/lose" situation. But maybe it will all work out in the end.

I received the letter today. I bought the car below MSRP (caught the dealer sleeping), but am leaning heavily on turning it in. It has about 500 miles on it and I see all the problems every one else sees. Everyone here confirmed my issues as I've been reading the messages in these forums.

My biggest gripe is really my own fault. Im too darn tall. I am 6'2" and even with the power seat I ave to recline way to far back to feel like I am in good control with good visibility. Again, my own fault.

But the mileage is a biggie. Especially in California where premium is at 2.40 right now. I might as well be driving a hummer.

Yes, it gets GREAT looks. The best, and I won't be getting looks like this probably with any car I'll ever own again. Ever. But I have to think of the comfort thing.

Anyway, what is the exact deal. Are they taking it one customer at a time or has Mazda set the actual policy. Meaning, are they refunding everything (tax, title, license, accessories, special dealer fabric/finish warrenty, etc.) or just the purchase price. If just the purchase price, then I dont know. Then I'd be losing over 3,000 on the deal.

Thanks for any help. I'll be doing some heavy thinking tonight.

They are refunding what you paid to the dealer.
Including genuine Mazda accessories, installed by the dealer.
No finance charges, no other aftermarket stuff.
I believe they are refunding registration fees, but that is not confirmed anywhere I can find.

The really thorny issue will be trade-ins, I suspect.
As the dealer probably already sold most trade-ins, then what?

I finally made my decision to have Mazda repurchase my automatic RX-8. The horsepower issue was not a major factor in my decision making process as the RX-8 is plenty fast. Given this generous offer by Mazda I opted to take advantage of it for the following reasons (not in order of priority):

1) Awful gas mileage. While I understand this is a sports car, the advertised gas mileage in 18/25, city/highway. I drive 50-75% on freeways averaging 75 mph and don't drive the car hard in the city. I am averaging 14 mpg and my car has 2,200 miles on it. I was not expecting SUV type mileage!

2) Weak A/C. Too much cycling on and off both in recirc and normal mode.

3) Excessive heat in footwell area, center console and trunk. Footwell area in weather >80 degrees is an annoyance even with A/C on floor panel.

4) Weak acceleration from 0-30mph (this I knew of before I purchased the car).

5) Paid full sticker and because of the hp issue it may depreciate at a steeper rate. I believe that in a few months if not sooner the RX-8 will be sold below sticker as inventory piles up.

By the way, I sent my paperwork to Mazda. There does not appear to be any restrictions to purchase a new RX-8.

Originally posted by hal8

$29,500.00 -- Price paid for next RX-8 (assume 6 months from now)
5% -- Anticipated annual depreciation (both versions)


Can't say that I agree at all with these two figures. There are simply too many cars being imported to sustain the asking price. You can get that $30,000 car for $29,500 right now in many places, much less six months from now. I look for much lower prices than that with even the possibility of the manufacturer throwing in addditional incentives by year-end.

Also, $1,500 per year depreciation is optimistic to say the least. Hopefully the 8 will not drop like the final version of the RX7 did. My experience with it was close to $1,000 per MONTH depreciation. One thing for sure, in 5 years your car will NOT be worth $22,500 for no other reason than the the new 7's and 8's will be far superior performing cars. Plus, I expect 2009 models from ANY manufacturer to be really, really cool. Automobiles are evolving at an incredible pace and this pace will only accelerate.

I had been lurking on RX-8 forum for weeks prior to striking a
$750 over invoice deal at the deaer that gave me their demo for
2 days. That 'extended test drive' sold me on the car and when
the dealer called to explain the "power loss" deal he even told me
that if I closed the order with a deposit I would be covered on the
$500+service deal. This was on the 26th...needless to say I
consumated the deal and am patiently (NOT!) awaiting my grey
6-speed.

Seems someone misread this earlier...that was $750 over
invoice...NOT MSRP...meaning basically $1,890 below MSRP in
my specific case. MSRP should not even be in your vocabulary
when buying an automobile.

Regards

Originally posted by neomicro
2. I had to pay $3,185 over the MSRP (because it was such a hot sports car, and so much in demand)


If you paid over MSRP, that's YOUR fault.

In general though, there are WAY TOO MANY PEOPLE overreacting to this "issue." The only bad press this car is getting is from right here on this forum. Most people will never see this and tons of people have complimented me on the car.

Also, there is no reason to be concerned over 26 RX-8's sitting in the dealer lot. This car was intended to be a mass production car whereas the 350Z, G35C and S2000 are more limited in production.

It seems if I keep the car I am getting it at about $1500 below MSRP. $500 depit card + maintenance. My car gets faster and better mileage with every mile I put on it. Using premium, 20 mpg. The mileage seemed to improve when I stopped trying to drive for better mileage. I just drive it now; 60 in second gear, then to 6th. The improvement seemed to happen after 2200 miles. Air works great for me in north-central Texas.

Originally posted by XUrotaryrocket

Also, there is no reason to be concerned over 26 RX-8's sitting in the dealer lot. This car was intended to be a mass production car whereas the 350Z, G35C and S2000 are more limited in production.

The only problem being, of course, that RX8 sales may not "have legs" and demand becomes weak. This is still an enthusiasts car after all is said and done and thus has a very limited market. Honda and Nissan were smart enough to limit production and maintain the selling price. It remains to be seen whether or not a $30,000 niche car finds a mass audience.

Having alternate transportation gives me the ability to take a sit-back-and-see-how-it-all-flushes-out attitude, I'd be silly not to.

I would be if somebody would pick up the
damn phone at (800-662-6779). I have
been on hold for over 40 minutes. UGH!

Call early in the morning.

I sent my paperwork in already. Should get a call in 5 2 days.

Original saleperson wants to sell me another. Going to get 3000 off sticker or MSRP.

Originally posted by myrx8
Call early in the morning.

I sent my paperwork in already. Should get a call in 5 2 days.

Original saleperson wants to sell me another. Going to get 3000 off sticker or MSRP.

The paper work that I received was if you wanted to take the $500 credit plus service and if you wanted to do the buy back
you had to call the 800 number. At least that is how the wife
and I read it.



I will try first thing in morning. Thanks.

Originally posted by myrx8
Call early in the morning.

I sent my paperwork in already. Should get a call in 5 2 days.

Original saleperson wants to sell me another. Going to get 3000 off sticker or MSRP.

which options are you getting?

I called last week and had the customer service rep fax me the return letter to my office, filled it out and overnighted it to Mazda. Told me saleperson and he has been tracking it since. Of course, nothings been done yet.

I am giving mine back for one primary reason:

The gas mileage is terrible. First tank was 12 MPG, second tank 14.4 MPG, third tank 14 MPG.

Interesting that I do not mind that Mazda lied (or made a mistake) about the HP. But it bugs the crap out of me that they so boldly boast that the Rotary efficiancy is much improved and will now get 18-24 MPG, while it turns out they have solved nothing - they still get horrible gas milegage. Can they do that? Isn't that advetising fraud? I think the gas mileage situation is much worse that the HP issue.

I would sale my automatic back (if I bought one) I could get an automatic 350Z that is much faster, hell an automatic Mustang GT is faster. :o and $5000-7000 less.

Around town I have been getting 18mpg. On a long trip we got
over 23mpg. If I am in the mountains it drops a lot.

The wrx that I traded in for the rx8 (faster, bigger back seat, trunk plus it had lug around awd) would get around 22-23mpg.
The inside was several notches down and it was a little louder.

For 33k+ the choice for our family is
evo 271hp bigger back seat trunk, better mpg (inside cheezy)
sti 300hp " " " " "" ""
G35 6spd coupe 280hp (quieter, better built???)
G35 6spd sedan 260hp much bigger back seats / trunk
rx8 6spd 220hp amazing handling (cramped, small everything,
bad mpg)

IMHO, I think the performance/size/mpg/etc in todays
market is worth around 25k. And even at that there are some
very nice cars in the 25k range.

Even when I bought the car for 33k (when I thought it had
247hp and very little tq). I thought I was paying too much,
but I love rotarys. So I went ahead and bought it anyways. I have owned more rotary cars than anything
else.

Sean
2004 rx8
1994 rx7 (bought new)
1973 rx2

past rotary cars
2 rx2 - one was a parts car
rx3sp 5spd
gsl-se parts car
fc turbo
1st gen rx7
rotary pickup ( dad's)

Well, I finally decided I'm selling mine back.

Going to be responsible and make the wife happy. The terrible gas milage is just too much since I'm commuting 100 miles a day. I'm getting almost 18 mpg and that's 80% freeway.

Plus, it's just too cramped for my growing boys in the back seat.

I'll probably end up with the relatively boring (and not nearly as stylish) Honda Accord. It seems you can get one fully loaded (V6, 240 hp, Nav system) for about 26K.

Oh well. It was fun while it lasted.

Originally posted by Superbone

Going to be responsible and make the wife happy. The terrible gas milage is just too much since I'm commuting 100 miles a day. I'm getting almost 18 mpg and that's 80% freeway.


Question for you Superbone...

If you were a single guy like myself and still have the same problem of milage (I, too, drive 100 miles per day and get almost 18 mpg if I drive like an old fart. Otherwise I've been getting 15mpg)..

Would you keep the car?

You know, Squidward, if I was single I probably would keep the car. It's a real chick magnet. :)

Although, I would probably have tested some 2 seaters like the Z (although we all know it doesn't look as nice.)

Plus, the gas mileage is supposed to get better with time. And, I understand it's not a big issue to use less than premium fuel. I'll tell you one thing, I know I'll miss it after it's gone.

Originally posted by Squidward
well for those who are turning in their cars, it's a very good thing because the cars will actually be owned by people who can look beyond a number on paper, and who can appreciate the RX-8 for all that it is... an outstanding car and a real value.
Wrong. The number on the paper is just different...it would be the price on the sales contract. If they were such enthusiasts they would have pre-ordered in January like the rest of us.

While surfing Ebay tonight I found a dealer selling a MAZDA CERTIFIED PRE-OWNED RX-8 6-SPD GPS . Wonder if this is one of the cars being returned. The price was low and it already had 7526 miles on it.

Question

Does the free scheduled service include brake service? Audi gave my Audi a free brake pad during one of their regular service jobs. I was afraid I was going to have to pay for it but was delighted to find out it was included as part of the scheduled maintenance.

IT is still depressing hearing Americans annoyed about 'Gas Mileage'.....
:(

I am reckoning on covering 2000 miles/month at ~$5.00/Gallon (taking into account your smaller gallons).
18MPG US is ~22MPG UK.

Therefore RX8 will be ~$450/Month in fuel....

Morale of the story - Stop moaning about the gas ! You get cheaper mileage than just about anywhere ! !

Amen.

Anyone else run into this problem. I selected buy back. Overnighted my buyback letter back to them along with the original sales contract. The car was not financed but paid for cash. They told be they could not do anything until I send them the title. I called my dealer to find out what the hold up is on the title, I have had the car over a month. They informed me that it take 90-120 days to get the title. The Mazd rep that I spoke to told me that they cannot go forward with the buyback until they receive the title and there was nothing they could do about it. She even told me others are in the same predicament. I don't know if this problem exists only in California, but from what they are telling me, I have to wait another 2-3 months before I get the title and then send this in. Of course this is going to be way past the deadline.
According to the buyback letter, they must receive all required documentation by Oct.1. This includes the title which I am sure they are full aware that alot of people will not have this in hand until after their deadline. Of course if your car was finance you do not need this, but for those of us who paid cash, they are making the buyback impossible. OUt of the four items they requested, I can only provide 1, the sales contract.
The dealer told me this makes no sense, they should not need the title as they can always request a duplicate and the sales contract show proof that the car was paid for so there is no lien holder. They can even call the dealer to confirm this.
I have already asked if I could just drop the car off at the dealership she requested and then wait for my check, but she could not answer this and said she would call back. The call back never came of course I talked to her on Friday afternoon so perhaps I will hear from her on Monday.

neomicro,

Say it is not so. I paid my car in cash also.

I am only on step one. I called in my
vin number. I am waiting for the letter
I can send back to them.

Could we just make a appointment with
DMV requesting a title?

Since my title has not even been processed yet, there is nothing the DMV can do for me. If you are in California, you are going to have the same delay with your title. I'm not sure about other locations.

Damn that bites!

I am located in Belmont, CA.

Sean
04 rx8
94 rx7
73 rx2

Originally posted by neomicro
Since my title has not even been processed yet, there is nothing the DMV can do for me. If you are in California, you are going to have the same delay with your title. I'm not sure about other locations.

What dealer did you buy your car from?

Is it the dealers that are holding this up?


I bought mine from Menlo Mazda (located
in Redwood City).


Sean

Bought mine from Val Strough Mazda in Oakland, CA. It is not the dealer it is the DMV. They are backlogged processing new titles and I was informed it takes 90-120 days to get the title after the dealer submits it to the DMV.

There's not a chance in Hades that I'll return this car. I haven't had it long enough to determine the gas mileage, and my commute is 54 miles one-way; but I'm way too in love with the car to let something like that get in the way.

Heck, my wife's not perfect either; but I married her. (I of course have no discernable flaws. :p )

Originally posted by lamigre
While surfing Ebay tonight I found a dealer selling a MAZDA CERTIFIED PRE-OWNED RX-8 6-SPD GPS . Wonder if this is one of the cars being returned. The price was low and it already had 7526 miles on it.

Why on earth would somebody be selling their RX8 on E-Bay cheap if they can return it to Mazda for a full refund?

Where's the e-bay link? Something doesn't sound right.

Morale of the story - Stop moaning about the gas ! You get cheaper mileage than just about anywhere ! !

This sort of argument from our cousins across the pond irks the hell out of me.

Do they teach students ANYTHING about comparative economics over there? Comparative Vs. Absolute advantages? Do I really have to bring up the fact that the U.S. economy is "different" then the economies of western Europe? How about I tit for tat and complain about how much we have to pay for perscription drugs and health care in gengeral relative to those in the U.K.

Originally posted by ToRX-8orToZ

This sort of argument from our cousins across the pond irks the hell out of me.

Do they teach students ANYTHING about comparative economics over there? Comparative Vs. Absolute advantages? Do I really have to bring up the fact that the U.S. economy is "different" then the economies of western Europe? How about I tit for tat and complain about how much we have to pay for perscription drugs and health care in gengeral relative to those in the U.K.
Amen brother! I was going to reply also but decided my long rantings weren't productive.

I do want to say that part of being American is the right to piss and moan about what ever we want, oh yeah and throw tea in the harbor while we are at it. :cool:

Decision made...I am opting for the buyback for the reason listed below.

* My particular RX-8 averages 12-14 mpg (50% city/50% freeway). Whether I pamper the car or drive it hard I am averaging 12-14 mpg with 3,000 miles on it. I find this unacceptable when the advertised mpg is 18 & 25. The dealer cannot find anything wrong with the car. My gut sense is that mine, with a production date of 06/05, could be one of the few ones with no explanation of the horrible gas mileage (why others are getting over 18mpg leads me to believe something is strange with mine).

Don't get me wrong guys, I love the way the RX-8 drives and I could care less for the 10 horsepower loss (yes, I have the auto). Since I have another car, I decided to give mine back and maybe take a chance to get a new one and hope the mpg is within the range of 18-25. I will make the decision on a new car in a month or so.

Anyway, for those of you that will keep your RX-8 enjoy it because it is one of the best handling and best looking cars on the road. I hope to join you all again in a month or so :)

Just sent my letter this a.m. that I'll take the $500 + free maintenance. I love this car and it is the highlight of my day when I drive it.

Originally posted by graphicguy
Just sent my letter this a.m. that I'll take the $500 + free maintenance. I love this car and it is the highlight of my day when I drive it.

Ditto. And my first ever Mazda.

just got back from a nearly 2000 mile road trip down into california and back up the coast. there is no way in hell i am giving this car back. i am going to figure out the gas mileage tonite and do a full write up soon but i got i am guessing between 20 and 22 mpg driving around 50 -85 most of the time. the air worked great, we were never uncomfortable in the car(except when my wife would occasionally feel a little sick from me driving so fast thru the curves on HWY 1), easily handled every curvey, bumpy, straight and hilly road encountered and got looks from everyone we passed(which was everyone) on the road and got many compliments and questions from everyone when we stopped. and damn the cruise control is amazing! set at any mph even in 6th gear it never dropped even 1mph even on the steepest inclines. the car is simply amazing and they can have it back when the pry my cold dead fingers from the steering wheel!! :D

Originally posted by neomicro
Since my title has not even been processed yet, there is nothing the DMV can do for me. If you are in California, you are going to have the same delay with your title. I'm not sure about other locations.

My second letter came today.

I called DMV and they said they had already started the process
on Sept 4 ( i bought the car 8/1) and that I should receive my
title and registration between sept 14 and oct 14. I asked if they
was anyway I could speed this up. She said since it has already
started Sac has everthing now.

I left vmail with the Mazda rep. I hope they will be understanding.


Sean

I called DMV and they said they had already started the process
on Sept 4 ( i bought the car 8/1) and that I should receive my
title and registration between sept 14 and oct 14. I asked if they
was anyway I could speed this up. She said since it has already
started Sac has everthing now.


How did you get yours issued so quickly, that is barely 45 days. What I am told by my dealer is that is takes 90-120 days to get the title from the State of California.

Update, well actually not much. I called back to the number I was given and found that they have not changed their position. The woman still insists I need the title in order for her to go ahead with the buyback even though I do not have this yet and she knows I cannot get it. I asked her if there was someone else I could talk to and she told be know, she was the one handling the buyback. I also discovered today that the company I am calling is not even Mazda, but an independent company that Mazda has hired to handle the buy back.
I called back to the other number (the one on the original letter from Mazda), and after the long hold talked to the representatives there and they informed me that it was the Mazda Consumer Compliance Department that was handling the buy back. I then asked for a number and was told they do not have an outside line that I can call in on. I received this response from two different people telling me there was no number to call directly into Mazda Consumer Compliance.
End result after spending over an hour on the phone, I have been told again we will check into this and call you back, but again no call back.
I am beginning to feel that the buy back offer is a sham. At least from the information I am getting from this independent firm that was hired to handle the claim. I do not even know the company name only that if I dial the number, and hit the extension I am supposed to I always get voice mail. If I hit 0 I get an operator for the "resolution hotline", no business name given but the operator and the representative handling the claim both confirm that they are not attached to Mazda but an independent company.
To recap:
In regards to the title, they tell me I have to have it because they have to follow the guidlines that Mazda set forward. Even though she knows I cannot get it. When I ask who in Mazda I can speak to about this, they tell me I have to deal with them as they are handling this so there is no one elso to call. When I call back into the original 800 number they do not know anything about the buybacks or who is actually handling it other than they seem to think it is the Comsumer Compliance Department (the one no one has a number for). The only thing they do is send out the form for those opting for the buyback. End result to this point is although I selected the buyback, I cannot seem to get Mazda or this independent company to cooperate to make this happen.
Sorry to be so long winded on this, but I am hitting a stone wall with this and would really like to hear from others who have selected buyback and how it is working for them.

Compared to you, things have gone pretty well for me so far.

I decided today was the day to call and go with the repurchase option. So, this morning, I tried to call but was on hold for about 20 minutes and had to get going. Then, about noon at work, I put the number on speaker phone and finally got through a little over an hour later.

They faxed me the form and lucklily I have everything I need. Sales contract, loan agreement, registration, and lienholder info. So, I'm sending it all off tomorrow morning. I will definitely get delivery confirmation for it at the post office.

I'll report back after I get my call which is supposed to happen within 5 days after they receive the info.

I'm new to this forum. I recently purchased my rx8 two weeks and then got the letter about the horsepower lost. Been debating about the buy back option, but not quite sure. That car can really handle around curves. My friends get scared when they ride with me when I hit those corners hard, but the car keeps in line. I'll most likely keep the car and take option 2. My parents were telling me maybe I should go with option 1 and get a mazdaspeed protege, yea right. NOT. Anyone know of any aftermarket performance parts coming to get that horsepower back and then some. Let me know.

Originally posted by neomicro


How did you get yours issued so quickly, that is barely 45 days. What I am told by my dealer is that is takes 90-120 days to get the title from the State of California.

I did not even bother with the dealer. I
called DMV ( 800-777-0133). (have your
vin # ready). I had to call
it about 10 times before I got through.
You may find they have already started
your paper work also. The bad news for
us is, it still might be too late. Maybe the dealer is right. There is nothing to say
that I will get my title between sept 14 to
Oct 14.

I left a message with Clarita yesterday, of course no call back today.

Maybe it is time we go to the News people???? We only have a few weeks
left. There are not giving us a whole
of choice.

I am going to be returning my car because:
1. A gas guzler
2. Requires 91 Octane $$$
3. Very hot in the cabin and the air conditioner leaves a lot to be desired.
4. I now would prefer an automatic
5. Not too crazy about the console running all the way to the end of the rear seats.
6 HP issue is not my priority
7. Oil engine light goes off and on at high speed ( I know, needs a new oil pan)

I'M a women driving a silver RX-8, 6 speed, moon roof, touring package

Originally posted by ToRX-8orToZ

Do I really have to bring up the fact that the U.S. economy is "different" then the economies of western Europe? How about I tit for tat and complain about how much we have to pay for perscription drugs and health care in gengeral relative to those in the U.K.

Bad comparason. You are 4 times more likely to die in a British hospital than you are in a US hospital. That fact was published in a leading British newspaper yesterday. For example, hygene is poor and over 1000 people/year die just from infections they've picked up while in hospital! Given the choice I'm sure many people would rather come to the US for treatment if money and distance were no object. (No offence to British docs and nurses reading this, I know you're totally pushed to the limit, God bless you).

Back to the point about MPG. You're right that it needs to be compared relatively to the local economy. The best way I can think of doing that is to compare the percentage of the average weekly salary that a full tank of fuel costs. e.g. the average sallary in the UK is £24k. That's £461/week or $731. Tank capacity is 61 litres and a litre costs £0.78. That's £47 ($75) for a whole tank or 10.3% of the average weekly sallary before tax. Tax is about 25% (income tax and national insurance).

Out of curiosity can someone work out the US percentage please? Whatever the outcome, MPG is a bigger issue in the UK, not just because of the extra cost in fuel, but pollution is a big concern in the UK (even though we are not as poluting as the US). I guess this is yet another discussion in itself and probably off topic too. BTW, I'm loving this forum, especially getting news and views from people all over the world. Peace.

Originally posted by lilhondi
I am going to be returning my car because:
1. A gas guzler
2. Requires 91 Octane $$$
3. Very hot in the cabin and the air conditioner leaves a lot to be desired.
4. I now would prefer an automatic
5. Not too crazy about the console running all the way to the end of the rear seats.
6 HP issue is not my priority
7. Oil engine light goes off and on at high speed ( I know, needs a new oil pan)

I'M a women driving a silver RX-8, 6 speed, moon roof, touring package

Seems like you have your reasons pretty laid out. Do you have the reasons for buying the car in the first place?

1. No sport car get great gas mileage. Yes is one is bad. But If this is your number 1 reason, you might need to think about a different kind of car.

2. It required 91 octane before you bought it so that should not be a factor now. And many of the threads are stating that 87 octane is working better than 91.

3. It being very hot is a good enough reason to trade it in.

4. If you just spent over 25 thousand on a car you should kind of know what you want in the car auto or man trans.

5. Did you sit in it before you bought it, the console has not changed.

6. If the hp is not a priority issue, then it is not one of your reasons for returning the car.

7. I oil issue has a fix. Understanding you are spending over 25000 on a new model car means realizing somethings will have to been detected and fixed. We humans are not flawless.

So in summary the car is to hot, and you changed your preferences about what you liked in the car. I your case It may be a good idea to turn and try to find something more to your likening.

seems like the frustration for some is the fact that the dealer they bought at outright ripped them off. Anyone who pays over MSRP at best is just a plain idiot. There were and still are dealers out there that are taking orders at MSRP! Mine did from the very start. Lastly anyone moaning over a slight hp drop just doesnt get it! The car is special regardless. My 94 has the same hp and is turbo, only 2 seats, cooling problems, recalls etc. I still love it but, this (the8) was worth the wait. Get it back to the dealer asap you dont deserve it!:p

I decided to sell my RX-8 back to Mazda and buying a VW Touareg instead. Although I love to drive the car and have not experienced the severe low gas mileage and poorly operating air conditioning commonly mentioned, the persistent oil light was of some concern. My primary fear is that the the bottom of the resale market is going to drop out on this car. The VW dealer where I am getting my Touareg is also a Mazda dealer. (It's not where I bought my RX-8). Although he did not share my bleack predication concerning diminishing resale value, he stated that so far 2 of the 4 purchasers of RX-8s from his dealership were selling them back to Mazda. This is before September 15! One already turned in the car and it is parked in the back of the dealership. I suspect that many of us will be selling the cars back and this is the reason for my prediction of a glut of low mileage used RX-8s on the market. I may well get back into an RX-8 in the future, but I predict it will be at substantially less than the price I paid for this one.

From a source that I trust implicity and from a person who makes a living buying and selling high end used vehicles (and thus spends a lot of time at auctions), I don't think resale is going to be an issue.

According to him, he's seen a few used RX8s at auctions that have already been repossessed by financial institutions. How that happened is a mystery to both he and I, but the theory is the dealerships got financial approval on the cars with people of marginal creditworthiness. So, they didn't mess around when they missed to first couple of payments.

Anyway, these cars all had less than 1,000 miles on them. All were still being AUCTIONED, at or near MSRP minus a few hundred for "used" status. That's always a good sign.

Also, the last I looked, less than 1% of qualified RX8 owners are opting for the buyback. So, that will translate into about 300 cars being bought back by Mazda.

The VW is a way different car than the RX8. Did you really want a sports car to begin with?

Lastly, these cars aren't going into the mainstream used car market. They are being sold to Mazda employees (who most certainly will get a good deal on them).

Add that to the fact that there is still a scarcity of RX8s on dealers' lots, I don't think there is much of a chance of the market colapsing on them regarding new sales or re-sales.

I called this morning and got the buy-back from faxed to me. The delay for California DMV to send the title is a little scary. I tried calling them four times and got disconnected after hearing all their menu options, etc.

Of possible interest, I asked the MNAO guy if I could change my mind about selling the car back (after submitting paperwork) if some news on a correction (o fHP and MPG issue) was announced. He said he thought it was likely. He added that someone who opted for the $500 called back a couple days after submitting their paperwork and wanted to change their mind and sell the car back--no such luck!

Also, did anyone see the thread "Oil's Not Well..." from the UK-based magazine. It actually quoted a number of US cars that qualified for the buyback. Not that it's important, but I though it interesting to see the number somewhere around 3,500. I would like to see an updated survey on the forum here to see what people (now a month or so after Mazda's admission) are opting to do.

YES, I am returning the car. I finally recieved the paperwork today , filled it out, sent the necessary copies/info, and it's on its way. The letter states that I should hear from someone within 5 days after they recieve the paperwork. In a way I feel relieved and want to move forward.
RX-8, silver, 6 speed, touring package. lilhondi

Originally posted by silver8
Also, did anyone see the thread "Oil's Not Well..." from the UK-based magazine. It actually quoted a number of US cars that qualified for the buyback. Not that it's important, but I though it interesting to see the number somewhere around 3,500. I would like to see an updated survey on the forum here to see what people (now a month or so after Mazda's admission) are opting to do.

The 3,500 number was the total number of cars sold in July/August before the cut-off date. They are ALL eligible. A company polled something like 1,500 owners randomly two weeks ago, and something like 93 of them said they were considering the buyback.

It seems like everyday something new pops up with regards to this car and posters at this site. I feel good about my decision; the car goes back.

I sent in my form, and Mazda Canada received it on Tuesday.

I called them this morning to ask about the time to turn this around.
They told me:

1) A person there does a lien search. This takes about a week.

2) That person is supposed to contact me by phone once that is done, to confirm some details.

3) I will receive a call to bring the car to the dealer after that for inspection, and if approved to give me the cheque.

He tells me the turnaround time is probably three weeks.

I have everything ready to send in except the registration. The dealership says they need some form from Jacksonville, FL (my car was a dealer trade). Hopefully it will get sorted out before the deadline. I'm getting very nervous.

I spoke to someone at Mazda and he informed me that if you are going to go for the buy back, you need to respond with the form by October 1st. He said that the deadline only has to do with our response time in sending in the form. I am reading the form as I am typing this post and it states that our documents are to be received no later than October 1, 2003. This is the only deadline I see. I hope this will take away some of the stress.
lilhondi ...... Silver RX-8, 6 speed, touring package

Be careful lilhondi about what pops up. Several things popping up are coming from non-owners like on MSN auto reviews.

Originally posted by neomicro


How did you get yours issued so quickly, that is barely 45 days. What I am told by my dealer is that is takes 90-120 days to get the title from the State of California.

After unsuccessfully reaching Cal DMV by phone, I went and stood in line. It took me an hour and 45 minutes...we should recall the governor! Anyway, I learned my plates were mailed a week ago and my title was mailed yesterday (9/11), exactly 45 days after I purchased the car (7/27).

Good luck Neo and others in getting yours in time.

I'm confused.. if you have a loan, dont you NOT get the title until paid for? Meaning just your bank gets it?

I work for a auto lender and we hold titles till car is paided off we only give a copy of title for regrestration purposes if necessary

This message is for silver 8.... I purchased my car 7-20-03 and my California registration arrived yesterday, 9-11-03.
lilhondi RX-8 Silver, 6 speed, touring PKG.

Originally posted by lilhondi
This message is for silver 8.... I purchased my car 7-20-03 and my California registration arrived yesterday, 9-11-03.
lilhondi RX-8 Silver, 6 speed, touring PKG.

That works out to be about 54 days or 41 working days. I bought my car on 8/1. So, maybe I will get my titlte on 9/29 or 9/30.
That is a little too close for me.

Thanks for the update.

On the horn with MNAO as I type this. About 15 minutes waiting so far. :( Mazda stands true to form with the customer service I've seen from them so far.

After thinking it over for a few weeks, and seeing no improvement in the 13 MPG I've been seeing, my mind is made up. She's going back. I will miss alot about this car, and I will follow this forum in hopes of seeing the newer 8s that are rolling out getting better MPG performance on a consistent basis. If that happens, I will simply buy another one. I'm betting the problem is already identified and has been quietly resolved back in Hiroshima. But, it could take a while for anecdotal evidence to support this.

I just feel sorry for the person who ends up buying my car - even if it is at a discount. It will be a rude awakening evey 200 miles the pump. I envision a small group of a few hundred 8s floating around with this problem. Those unfortunate enough to get stuck with one of these problem 8s will more and more be deemed "heavy foots" or some other unfounded stereotype.

Good luck to all with their respective situations. I remain a believer in the potential of the Wankel motor & hope to have a more bug-free RX-8 in future.

This post is for astrlsrfr: I think you are doing the right thing. I am doing the same and am looking forward to moving on. This car has been kind of a nightmare . The gas mileage is horrible. Good luck to you, lilhondi

To lihondi and astrlsrfr...

I doing the same thing... my last tank gave me 12.51mpg (my car has more than 2000miles)...

I'm gone a miss my 8... love the feeling of driving it, but it's to much fuel for to little power!

Just like you, I'll follow the forum, and hope that in the future the 8s get better mpg; also, maybe next year 8s will have a "real" a/c with climate control and "cold air"!

In the mean time, I'll get myself a used "saturn" for the winter... I'm sad... but I must be reasonable... Mazda, please fix the power, Mazda, please fix the MPG... and I'll be back... because in two months I had my 8, I've learned why people loved the 7...

Hi All: It seems like I am spending too much time at the gas pump. 91 Octane and the cost is outrageous. I now have over 2000 miles on my RX-8 and the MPG is still very poor. This is another reason for returning the car. I am now looking aroumnd for another car because Mazda will be in contact with me shortly with instructions to drop off the car. I now know why people say, don't buy a car the first year it comes out. lilhondi Silver RX-8 6 speed, touring PKG

wow,im disappinted to hear so many people are returning their 8's.

this thread is for those returning the car, thats why you are hearing so much of it

Originally posted by mikeb
this thread is for those returning the car, thats why you are hearing so much of it

downplay.. downplay..

I love the guys on these threads who swear they love everything about their cars..

And hang out on the thread from guys who are returning it.

Obsessed?

He IS right though, if you want the other side look at:
http://www.rx8forum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9437

Originally posted by smoothSevenz
wow,im disappinted to hear so many people are returning their 8's.

Last I checked, it was about 2% of affected owners are returning their cars. That figures out to be around 60 units are being sent back to Mazda. To me, that's not a lot. I know that some are returning theirs not because of problems, but because of higher insurance rates, they suddenly had a change of financial/job circumstances, etc.

I've even read a couple of postings in which the owner was returning their car and planned to turn around and buy another with different options or color. Now that, IMHO, is an abuse of Mazda's offer.
Live with your own mistakes, forgive those of others.

At least in Canada, the people who have not yet had their cars delivered have recently received a new variation of the letter from Mazda.

Here is the text:

Dear Customer:

Thank you for placing an order for a 2004 Mazda RX-8. You'll soon have a chance to experience everything the car has to offer -power, space and style -and I hope you'll find it to be one of the world's truly great sports cars.

Because we're always looking for ongoing improvement in the vehicles we produce, we have continued testing and analysis of mass-production RX-8 engines. Through this testing, we have determined that the vehicle is making approximately four-percent less horsepower than we had originally calculated. As a result, the published horsepower rating of North American-specification vehicles will change from 247 to 238 horsepower, and from 207 to 197 horsepower for automatic-transmission vehicles.

However, the revised horsepower rating has not affected the RX-8's performance. Acceleration testing of production cars has shown similar performance to pre-production cars, which were tested by independent enthusiast magazines, returning 0-60mph times in the low six-second range and mid-14-second quarter-mile times.

While four-percent is a very small difference in peak output, it is nevertheless not the number we originally published. Therefore, to ensure your complete satisfaction with Mazda and the RX-8, we're offering you two options:

. Free factory scheduled maintenance for the balance of the new vehicle comprehensive warranty (36 months/80,000 kilometres) AND a $500 cheque.

-OR-

. A full refund of the deposit you placed for the purchase of your 2004 Mazda RX-8

You have until October I, 2003 or prior to delivery of your RX-8, to respond on the attached form with your selection. We value you as a Mazda customer and if you have any concerns we invite you to call our Customer Relations Department at Mazda,Canada Inc.

Sincerely
Mike Benchimol
President
MazdaCanadaInc.

------------8<---------------------8<----------------8<----------------


PRE-SELL ACKNOWLEDGEMENT

This acknowledges the undersigned's agreement to accept the Offer marked below. The undersigned has been informed by Mazda-Canada Inc. about the change in horsepower rating and accepts the Offer as full and complete resolution of any claim he/she may have against MCI and any of its authorized dealers.

_ I wish to accept Offer 1, free scheduled maintenance for the balance of the factory warranty (total of 36 months/80,000 kilometres, whichever comes first). This offer is only for the original purchaser and is not transferable. In addition, I will receive a $500 cheque. I understand that the maintenance will be registered against my vehicle and my cheque will be processed once the dealer reports to Mazda that I have taken delivery of my 2004 RX-8

_ If you wish to discuss the option of having the deposit you placed for a 2004 Mazda RX-8 refunded, please contact your selling dealer.

There are some interesting points here.

1) The letter does give a deadline for the return of the form. It does NOT give any deadline for when you have to take delivery.
In the case of one individual I spoke with, he still has a deposit at the dealer, registered before the August 26th cutoff date, he has now received this letter, and he is checking the offer box and sending it in. He is in no hurry to take delivery, and there is nothing compelling the dealer to complete the deal any time soon.
The dealer is sittingon his depoit, and if and when my friend decides he wants an RX-8, he will take delivery.
In essence he is getting his deposit amount covered by Mazda, and is still in the queue to take a car, if and when he decides to.
He is covered for his out of pocket risk, the dealer is covered, and he can act on this when he feels it is time, or if he chooses to bow out at some point, he can do so, knowing he is ending up with no costs. I consider that an improvement, as it takes the deadline pressure down quite a bit.

I, for one, would have appreciated the extra time, as with the rate I accumulate mileage, I will not be able to see if there is any gain in power or mileage before the Oct. 1 date passes.

These potential owners now have the luxury of sitting back and seeing if in December, for example, we start to see these cars consistently making better power, or the mileage problems significantly changing.

2) The former debit card for the $500 is now replaced by a cheque.

3) The "free service" is no longer transferrable. The original purchaser has to keep the car for it to be used. I find this less agreeable, as it decreases the value of the offer significantly.
The letter I received did not have this stipulation, so the warranty service would add to the value of the car at resale.
So there are some gains and losses in both cases.

Anyway, this is the "state of the art". I hope some of you find it interesting.

I will never give it back!
I am thinking of getting another one in different color,
two is better than one.

To Canzoomer,

My opinion, but working for a finance institution, if you think that Mazda is going to pay someone that can not prove he is out cash you must be smoking something. And I would predict that they will be talking to the dealer about the deposit. Your thought that he can sit around and wait is not realistic.

Also, I went to the website and found over 250 RX8s within 50 miles of me. Even if they are not delivered, that is a lot to chose from. Why the wait?

Originally posted by 350 Formula
To Canzoomer,

My opinion, but working for a finance institution, if you think that Mazda is going to pay someone that can not prove he is out cash you must be smoking something. And I would predict that they will be talking to the dealer about the deposit. Your thought that he can sit around and wait is not realistic.


Sorry, I miss your point.
He had to have his order in prior to August 26th. He does.
He has to send in the letter by Oct. 1. He has.
He has to buy a 2004 RX-8, and take delivery of it to collect the $500 and the warranty offer.
The dealer is perfectly happy sitting on his deposit. They have had it since December 2001, what is a few more months?

What is stopping him from waiting a while longer before he takes delivery?
I did not think they would pay him the $500 BEFORE he takes delivery. They obviously need proof of delivery, and the letter says so. What I was pointing out is that the letter and agreement he signed makes no time limit on WHEN he takes delivery..
Also, he has all the time in the world to decide, with no risk of the dealer witholding his deposit just because he might choose to pass on buying the RX-8.
If you work in a financial institution you know about "subject to" clauses I hope.
Without one a dealer is within their rights to say they will keep his deposit if he does not follow through on the purchase. The terms of the letter essentially guarantee that Mazda is backing him and that there will be no risk of losing his deposit.

I find myself in the unusual position of backing Mazda Canada on most of the points in this latest letter.

And yes, I just had a cigarette.
That is all I smoke, thank you.

The day I received my letter , I completed the form and sent it back to Mazda to make arrangements for the buy back. It seems that I am married to the gas pump. I spoke to someone who told me that it's the rotary engine that sucks so much gas. Within a few days of returning the form, I got a call from Mazda and I am now making arerangements to return the car. I will let everyone know exactly how much of my money will be returned on the buy back when the process is completed. I am sure that those who are contemplating the buy back would want to know. lilhondi Silver RX-8, 6 speed , touring PKG

Just checked the my local dealers' web site in Albuquerque, NM. According to the web site for the 2 local Mazda dealers, there are a total of 30 new RX-8s available. The two local Nissan dealerships have a total of 9 350Zs for sale.


I suspect that Mazda will sell a ton of RX-8s despite the rocky start. That said, I suspect that there will be deals to be had now that supply is catching up with demand.

I've read the majority of this LONG post and it seems people are returning because of gas effeciency (MPG), AC problems, and because they simply want to profit from this buy-back. I do not have these problems... sure it gets hot inside the car, all cars do that! Going from a 1.8 inline-4 engine to a 2.6 rotary engine is totally worlds apart - so I can feel your disappointment with MPG but its no big deal really if you consider its a TOTALLY different engine and needs to run rich in order to ensure it runs well.

I for one, am contemplating returning it and buying a used NSX which is much more attractive, faster, but insurance for a 19 year old male is gunna be way high! I love my rx8 and people compliment me all the time! Its fast to me, but its not like I am racing all the time, I usually take it slow cuz the faster u drive the more likely to get into an accident... The horsepower figures do disappoint me, but the quarter mile times seem to be right on the promised target where the 350z's times are. I think something is truely wrong when dyno testing this vehicle... like the m3 and porsches... its hard to dyno them. But the quarter mile times produce promised figures of a vehicle with around 239 hp.

If you wanted more MPG get a damn Honda Hybrid or Toyota Prius! If you think the RX8 is bad... try the HUMMER H2 or Ford F150... my neighbors have them and they hardly drive them cuz the Hummer takes $80 every other day to drive normally... and the Ford takes $60 every 2 days which is ridiculous!

I guess I will keep it since I went through such an ordeal to get my rx8! I have sponsorships for brakes, rims, and much more so I want to be the first rx8 to look awesome on the streets!

well said

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Originally posted by Efini 8
If you wanted more MPG get a damn Honda Hybrid or Toyota Prius! If you think the RX8 is bad... try the HUMMER H2 or Ford F150...

Uh, no. How about just getting the MPG that was was promised. I never expected the gas mileage to compare with a Honda but I didn't expect it to compare with a Buick either.

Bottom line is that I just can't justify this car for my 100 mile/day commute at 17 MPG (mostly freeway). Oh well, it was fun while it lasted. (Got to know my neighborhood gas attendant very well...)

I agree, the gas mileage is horrible and after 2,000 + miles, it is getting no better. I spoke to Mazda today and my paperwork is in the works to return the car. Every one who has signed up for the buy back will get their money back less the finance charges which are prorated on a daily basis, so I was told. I was also told that my trans action shoild be complet in 2 to 3 weeks. I was also told that car payments must be kept up until the transaction is complete and the Mazda RX-8 has been paid off by Mazda or your credit will be affected. Hope this helps, lilhondi RX-8 silver, 6 speed, touring PKG

So, I guess that means you'll get your payments back from the bank. Either that, or Mazda will give you your payments back since the loan payoff will be less by the time they pay it.

Only 11 days left till October 1

Originally posted by Toadman
Yes, a perfectly good car is going to be branded as a lemon-law buy-back vehicle because of 9 missing hp. They will not be re-sold to consumers at the dealer. Mazda employees are getting first dibs on them, and I hear quite a few are excited and waiting for you to turn your car in.
I just love the way all of you try to play it down to only "9 missing horsepower". Sorry, but that's way off. So are you telling me that your drivetrain loss is that bad. The Honda S2000 has 240 horsepower at the crank, and they all dyno at an average of 195 to 210 horsepower at the wheels. The RX8 has what, 237 now? And the best dyno I have seen is 184 at the wheels, and the lowest was 178 at the wheels. Sorry, but that's more than 9 horsepower. More like 20 horsepower.

I decided to sell the RX8 back. This whole issue has somewhat soured me on Mazda and just made it difficult to keep the car.

I can honestly say I wouldn't have bought the car had this issue come up before I took delivery in July.

That said, I still love the styling and the uniqueness of the car. I just wish it had more power, which I think is quite noticeable when driving.

I've turned all the paperwork in and hope to complete the transaction by this time next week. I'm already driving my replacement a Z4.

Good luck to all of you. Maybe I'll try again when and if the 4th Gen RX-7 is released.

The Z4 is a sweet car. It needs a little more oomph under the hood though. But the Z4 is all about 50% luxury and 50% performance. The S2000 is more like 10% luxury 90% performance. Good choice in cars though. If the M3 weren't so porky overweight, it would be a much better car.

Final paper work arrived today via E-Mail with the buy back figures and the amount due to me. Tax,license, documeny, and fees listed as other, are reimbursed. It should now take two to three weeks to transfer the car to the dealership. I am not returning the car just because of the horsepower problem. I find that it is very low and very difficult for me to get out the door. In addition, it is very "HOT" in the cabin due to the car being so low and the driver seat so close to the engine. I am no spring chicken anymore.
lilhondi RX-8 silver, 6 speed, touring package

I received my paperwork on the buyback today. It listed the moneys being returned including taxes and fees. That was a relief. I faxed the signed paperwork back. No word yet on when I might get the check or where to take the car to.

I suspect I will be back in the RX-8 fold in the future. I did not have quite the problems that others had. I think it is fundamentally a great car. I suspect that the power issue may be addressed in the next year or so. If not, I suspect many low mileage used RX-8s on the market at very good prices.

Sent my paper work off today. Im keeping it. I love this car.

Originally posted by Alvidrez
Just checked the my local dealers' web site in Albuquerque, NM. According to the web site for the 2 local Mazda dealers, there are a total of 30 new RX-8s available. The two local Nissan Be careful with the web sites.

Several of my local dealers list a large number of RX-8s for sale - in one case over 20. However if you actually visit them they have perhaps one or two on the lot because the cars listed for sale include all those they have allocated and have VIN numbers for that are being built over the next four months... :(

Originally posted by Alvidrez
I received my paperwork on the buyback today. It listed the moneys being returned including taxes and fees. That was a relief. I faxed the signed paperwork back. No word yet on when I might get the check or where to take the car to.

I suspect I will be back in the RX-8 fold in the future. I did not have quite the problems that others had. I think it is fundamentally a great car. I suspect that the power issue may be addressed in the next year or so. If not, I suspect many low mileage used RX-8s on the market at very good prices.

Doubtful.....

Out of the 3000 cars owners that got the letter, the return rate is about 2%....that's only 60 cars. In addition, Mazda isn't selling these cars on the open market. They are only offering them to Mazda employees.

I just sent my buyback paperwork by UPS. It will be there Monday morning. I didn't have the address of my leinholder with me, but I gave them the phone number. I guess when they call me I can give them the address. Hopefully it won't be a problem.
I haven't been driving the 8 at all, I've been driving my RX7 because I am paranoid about something happening to the 8 before the buyback goes through.

To answer the thread question - NO, I am keeping the car.

I spent the last few weekends toying with the the car shopping game looking at the same cars I looked at before July 19th and the day of decision and came to the same conclusion. THis afternoon it was the S2000 that I paroused.

Excellent car and VERY similar to the 8 in overall feel (to me) but after sitting down and calculating the compromises I see the RX 8 is the best choice. BTW it seems the answer to the HP is already answered as of last Thurs on this forum under discussion the discussion thread and there is a new posting with a car dynoed with about 200 at the wheels.

I wonder if you can fax the letter?

Made my absolute final decision yesterday, having spent the last few weeks considering the buy-back option generously offered by Mazda.

On Saturday I wrote down my list of advantages & disadvantages as I perceived them, and revisited the other vehicles that I could classify as a 4-door Sports Car with similar acceleration and price point.

In the end, there was very little incentive for me to sell my RX-8 back to Mazda, knowing I would only buy another RX-8. My current ride has averaged 21-22 mpg with 2,800 miles on her, with no problems whatsoever.

As a result, my RX-8 has proved itself to be a keeper. The final litmus test was exiting the movie theater yesterday to the full view of my car, awaiting my return. The feeling I had, right there & then, for the very first time....was that she was mine, and I am hers.

Now, I almost feel guilty considering giving her back. Now, where was that other thread/poll that asked if the RX-8 is a car.......

just got off the phone with Mazda to inform them that I am keeping the car. I asked about how many were returning the car. She informed me that the returns were just under 5% of the total cars sold during the offer. Most are taking the service option.

Well, I sent my papers in today stating that I will keep the car! Actually, I'm kinda suprised at myself for waiting so long. To me, I almost feel that it is a no brainer. I think the car is awesome! Yeah, the gas mileage may not be the greatest, but if I'm not spending my money on gasoline then I would probably be spending it on something else. Atleast when I buy gas it is going to something that I'm proud of and proud to be seen in. Just the attention that you get with this car makes it worth keeping. I get so much attention that it almost makes you feel like a celebrity. I wouldn't care if it had 5hp Briggs & Straton pull-start motor. I'm keepin it! Looks great, handles like a dream and I love it! Rock on! :D

What is the MPG fix!!!!! I did not understand your directions. Man, if I could fix the MPG, I would keep the car. Where is the "fix" post concerning MPG?

Also, where is the 200 HP dyno post?

Yes, I too am interested in seeing that dyno sheet..

Please?

There is no MPG fix. Not sure where you heard that.

October 1st is next Wednesday; only 7 days away. Paper work needs to go out to get there in time. Sounds like very few returning their cars.

Might be different in the US but I confirmed today as long as the "letter" is returned by Oct 1st your good.

Another reason I am returning the car. I find it to be very difficult to get in and out of the car. It sits too low for my liking. I look at thie buy back as a gift from the ALL MIGHTY. lilhondi Silver RX-8, 6 speed, touring PKG

Well,

It has been a very fun ride. I put money down on my RX-8 in Oct 2002 and followed with this forum for 8 months every night...

In the end it was the little things.... the free pass to drive a really fun, unique car for 3-4 months and get every penny back. Then go by another car to experience.

The little things ended up being:
1. Heat in cabin AND trunk. The trunk getting so hot is worse to me...
2. Gas Tank size. To be honest, I do not car about MPG, but I do not wish to stop every 180-190 miles at a gas station.
3. BAD rattle/noise from the rear deck area every time I hit a small bump or unsmooth pavement.
4. HEATING UP MY GARAGE. Everytime I pulled into my garage and closed the garage door I was worried that my dog would die to heat this summer !! This engine runs VERY hot. I was not aware of this in a rotary...
5. Mazda Screwing up... no excuses. they worked on this thing for 3 years!
6. Waiting for a trailer hitch to put my moutain bike on..


This car has lots of GREAT little things as well (other threads). But, the bad little things with a 100% buy back, I just could not resist.

Have fun guys/gals and I will wave and feel a pain of "only if" in my stomach evertime I pass a RX-8 !

Roachman

well i guess that after all i will be returning the 8 :( . much sad for it thoug but i can't continue to bear in mind such horrible mpg (specially if i turbo the thing) and really after seing the option of a piston engine rather than a rotary one, maybe some day in the future i will one again join u all in a rotary, maybe with the rx-7 after all the problem s on the 8 are resolved and the 7 comes with a turbo in it already or when ever we have other forms of combustion besides gas (nitrogen).

or at least i will join with the same stile like and just better mpg and power, IE this concept car :D very compromizing...



one last question, has anybody scanned the buyback letter. i figure it would be much faster to get it form here than waitting in the mail..



PS : other reasons: heat, power deficiency, can't change the stereo w/o killing the image, and once again mpg is a big no no for such small displacement. BUT the biggest one, mazda lied . where there is no honesty, there is credability.

Originally posted by roachman

4. HEATING UP MY GARAGE. Everytime I pulled into my garage and closed the garage door I was worried that my dog would die to heat this summer !!

Roachman

i was drinking water when i read this, i almost choke laughing at this, it's funny

Some of the things I may be able to understand....other things I don't quite understand.....don't some people drive the RX8 before taking delivery? Why do some of these issues come a suprise when they would have noticed them before they took delivery?

Oh well....the ones that have the opportunity to send their's back, that is certainly within your right.

One word of caution, though....there's always going to be some interesting "eye candy" that the car companies will show next year and the year after that and the year after that.

What you don't know is what the final cars will really be like once they end up in the showroom.

In my opinion, Mazda delivered what they promised performance wise regardless of what the figures on a piece of paper say.

I've loved this car since I first saw it in January at the Detroit International Auto show and love it more now that it sits in my garage and when I wind it out while on the road....kind of like a trusty companion.

that concept subaru is ugly IMO

Originally posted by U. N. O.




one last question, has anybody scanned the buyback letter. i figure it would be much faster to get it form here than waitting in the mail..




Yes.

old thread (http://www.rx8forum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10746)

Sell the dang car back! Go buy that ugly ass dodoburu!

You abviously have not heard the saying, "if it ain't a rotor, it aint a motor."

And oh yeah, what manufacturer posts hp ratings at the wheels? NO ONE! You obviously are speaking without thinking, just like you will be acting before thinking when you sell your car back.

It's to bad for you! Hope they welcome you at other forums!

thats not nice

Well, I finally sent the paperwork in today for the refund. I have been debating with myslef for about a month and finally pulled the trigger.

Again, I have only two primary issues with the car and these issues are the reason for sending it back:

1) MPG - Mazda lied (or screwed up) about expected efficiency and that REALLY bothers me - especially since I told myself when I bought the car that if the estimated MPG had been posted 1 MPG lower, I would not have purchased the car. In reallity, the MPG is 6-8 MPG lower than claimed. And that is HUGE!

2) A/C just plain sucks - and not because of the compressor but becasue of the vent pathways combined with extreme heat in the engine compartment. The struggling A/C works it's butt off, but just can't cool enough in such high-temperature surroundings.

For the record, I LOVE the power and the handling in AMAZING. Plus, it looks fantastic and I feel like a rock star when driving it with all the attention I get. Chicks have approached while parked and asked to get a full tour of the car. You HAVE to love that.

But there is another, intangible factor that contributed to my decision to return the car. Have you noticed that almost NO ONE is returning the car for the one reason that Mazda is allowing the return (the missing 9 HP)? Surely Mazda predicted this, so why do they offer a return? I think there may be some other underlying, hidden, unknown problem with the car that Mazda fears will surface but hopes it does not. Maybe I am crazy, but it just seems weird to offer a buyback for an issue that no one has a problem with (or has a tiny, tiny problem with). I think they are doing this to cover a possible future issue that will be much bigger. I can see Mazda saying, "We gave everyone an opportunity to sell the car back, so we can't allow that same opportunity again." I dunno, I guess that doesn't make much sense either - I just have this uneasy feeling. My gut (intuition?) tells me to sell it back.

Anyway, can't wait to continue my search for a new sports car. I hope the handling of the RX-8 has not spoiled me!

AMEN........

I too have decided to take mazda up on the buyback for some of those very reasons. I would add an annoying "squeal" coming from the radio area and a nice rattle between the doors. First of all I know I could take the car in and have those problems looked at, but knowing the service depts in this area they will be deaf to my annoyances. It shouldn't have these problems. The car has 2000 miles on it what happens when I hit 15 or 20. I noticed the "loose fit" between the doors on the rev it up car but chalked that up to pre-production. Second is the gas mileage. I cannot see paying 30 bucks every tank and getting only 220 to 240 miles in return. That, sports car or not, is pathetic and a problem. As far as the A\C is concerned it does suck. My brother has a 2003 KIA and its amazing the difference, a $10,000 Korean POS could chill my 8 and his car at the same time.... I dont know if this bothers anyone else, did anyone notice the interior on the mazda 3? Looks exactly like the 8. Im paying $34,000 for the same plastic in a econo box. I don't think so. To add to my frustration was dealing with mazda customer service. Asked for the college grad rebate after seeing it posted on the web site and was told even though "all" 2004 mazdas are eligible the RX8 is not. Not because it is excluded on the web site but because Jerry, who by the way, thinks he reports directly to James O'sullivan (CEO mazda US), said so. Anyway I have owned many mazdas in my time mx3 gs v6, protege, miata, currently MPV (2000 model which is the first year for that body style no missing HP here just wasn't there to begin with plus no squeaks or rattles) I like the mpv and have no complaints about quality. I am concerened that mazda went cheap on certain things in the 8. I am not willing to take the $34,000 test. I will miss the attention the car brings I will get over it. I'm a believer in going with gut feelings. Something doesn't feel right and mazda is giving me a pass. I'll take it and run........... 04' TL here I come.

Good, post there IS something about gut. And maybe it's the fact that I jumped too fast on this car.

And today I find out that my dealer lied (I think for the 6th time) about my finance rate, I could have had 6.12% but they said it was wrong on the website. Another dealer just confirmed for me today it was available, now it is more but it was then!


I might be buying another 8... only time will tell.

So, it looks like between 2-5% of people are taking the buyback.

I would be interested to know what the "buyback" percentage would be if all companies offered a month-long trial period for all their cars.

I have no idea what it would be for the average car, but I know there's a lot of buyer's remorse out there with almost any car. People just find problems they didn't expect or notice on a test drive after having a car for a little while.

Does anyone know of any statistics on buyer's remorse? I would think that a 95-98% satisfaction rate for any car would have to be considered outstanding.

I've had the MPV for 4 years and it hasnt cost me a dime. Knock! Knock! I plan on keeping it until it drops. I would definitely buy another.
I dont remember 100 percent but didn't Saturn do the satifaciton thing a while back? Maybe you should take a look at those stats, if you can find them.
Shane

Yes, Saturn does always rank very highly in customer satisfaction. I think much of that has to do with the dealer experience as much as the cars themselves.

I suppose this is such a unique situation. People actually have a chance to get all their money back after an extended "test drive." I would think people would be much more likely to show dissatisfaction with their car in this case than when answering a customer satisfaction survey, knowing they're stuck with their car regardless.

I need to check the percentage of people accepting the Miata buyback offer a few years back.

Actually what I meant by mentioning Saturn is that, I believe they offered a program that if you weren't satified with the car you could bring it back. Im not sure of the exact details but im sure they had it.

My dissaticfaction (disappointment) is more with mazda then the car. I feel they should pay. Not the 500 bucks (a lot of you will use for accessories) and free service which, well enough said......

Yes I saturn has a complete satisfaction return policy.

My sales guy told me "NOBODY" returned the Miata. Of course we know this is untrue, and he told me "NOBODY" will return the RX-8.

Can't wait to see his face when I return the 8 to him!

He's full of it. I worked for a mazda dealer at the time this happened. We had two buy backs that I knew of.

Originally posted by Shane
Actually what I meant by mentioning Saturn is that, I believe they offered a program that if you weren't satified with the car you could bring it back. Im not sure of the exact details but im sure they had it.



Wow, I didn't know they had that program. That's cool. I'll have to try to find those numbers. Thanks, Shane.

Just got my 8 the other week (silver, 6-spd). Was able to push on the dealer a bit and get it $600 below MSRP. Pretty pleased, but agree the A/C is a little lite and MPG seems to be low. I am still driving it hard so I am not expecting anything great in terms of gas mileage right now. No other major issues or problems other that lots of stares and jaw drops when I zoom by :)

I think the feedback from the forum to Mazda is good, but many of the items are nit-picking, can be fixed easily, and are to be expected in a new line. Just got a Volvo XC-90 a few months back and have a few "complaints" on it too. Price you pay to be the first on the block!

I sent my paperwork in for the "buy Back" a little over a week ago. Today, I got a call from Mazda that my check was requested on Sept. 22nd and someone will be contacting me in approximately 2 weeks concerning dropping off the car. And yes I agree with the above post. It's is very hot in the drivers seat area and the air conditioning leaves a lot to be desired. It's difficult getting in an out because the car is so low. The oil light comes on at high speeds, it's a gas eating specimen, and the frosting on the cake is the hose power issue. I figure that when more and more people buy and experience this car, their will be more complaints and the car may wind up with a poor reputation down the line. How are these problems going to hold the value of the car? I am getting all my money back while I can.
lilhondi, silver RX-8, 6 speed, touring PKG

It's difficult getting in an out because the car is so low.

I agree with a lot of your points, lil, but this one is very silly. What did you expect from a sports car?

Well after careful consideration I singed the paperwork from Mazda and I am returning my car. All in all, I really like the RX-8 and it sure turns heads everywhere. However given the opportunity of having the choice offered by Mazda, I decided for the repurchase option as 14 mpg average is not acceptable after 4,500 miles. Yes it is a sports car but 14mpg is SUV territory. In addition with the A/C and cabin heat in the footwell, center console and the trunk, these issues just pushed me in giving back the car.

Just for those interested knwoing what I will be driving next, I already purchased a 2003 Mini Cooper S with the JCWorks kit on it (got lucky they had a dark silver with the blue/black interior). Yeah, it is a totally different car but I do like it a lot.

Happy motoring to you all. The RX-8 is a cool car :-)

Originally posted by nowr2go
Just for those interested knwoing what I will be driving next, I already purchased a 2003 Mini Cooper S with the JCWorks kit on it (got lucky they had a dark silver with the blue/black interior). Yeah, it is a totally different car but I do like it a lot.
Nice car, but be prepared to spend a fair amount of time at your local Mini dealer getting really stupid things fixed under warranty. Even the car mags mention this in their long-term tests; initial build quality is definitely not what it should be from BMW...

...It's difficult getting in an out because the car is so low. The oil light comes on at high speeds, ...

My uncle quickly sold off his Mustang because it was to hard to get in and out of. I suspect this is more of a personal size and agility issue than a car design defect. I switch back and forth daily from an SUV to the 8 and have no problems with either.

Not sure about that oil light issue, but I would probably have that looked at. I don't think Mazda will be giving you a refund if you blow the engine. You do put oil in the car between changes right?

Zoom-zoom.

What I'm hearing is a lot of people who are upset with their dealers, the price they paid or the way they were treated. In fairness, that has nothing to do with the 8. MPG seems to be a sticking point, but I'm getting what the MSRP sticker says I should be getting. It just took a while for the engine to really "break-in". In comparison, I had a PT Cruiser GT Turbo. MPG in that was averaging 14 MPG.

A/C seems to have some of you worried. Again, I don't have a problem with it. It keeps me comfortable in high temps and high humidity. Does it cycle? Yes! Does it sometimes blow out less than frigid air? Yes! Easy fix if you want to be totally frosty.....keep the A/C on "recirculate".

I'm not aware of a "squeaky" door issue. My RX8 is one of the best built cars I've ever owned (includes 2 BMWs, 2 hondas and 2 Toyotas). It's certainly better built than the 350Z/G35 that I test drove extensively.

Those that are returning their cars are well withing their rights to do so. Just ask yourselves one question and be honest...do you think the "quirks" you will find with your new rides will make you happier than the unique and great (IMHO) drives you have with the RX8? Or will the bloom fall from the rose when the inevitable "new car" euphoria wears off with them?

My guess is most of the returnees are getting something cheaper. I don't see many that are jumping off the RX8 and getting into a direct competitor....most of you are getting cars that are totally different.

Regarding the Mini....neat concept. I have a friend who had one. Kept it for all of 4 months before taking a huge depreication hit and getting something he could live with every day.

Originally posted by graphicguy
My guess is most of the returnees are getting something cheaper. I don't see many that are jumping off the RX8 and getting into a direct competitor....most of you are getting cars that are totally different. AGREED

Now I admit I haven't read every post in this thread, but I don't recall ANYONE saying they were giving back thier 8 so they could buy a "Z."

I know a few have mentioned possibly buying the G35c, but zero 350Z's? I find that statistic very interesting. It is the Z community that seems to be the most "anti-8," and apearenently it's with good reason. The 8 is obviously a better 'real world' sports car.

Nissan's 'bad information' campain of a supossed RX-8 reacall on the Fresh Alloy forum is backfiring big time.

I like the 8 more than Z after testing a Z out last night. I will be buying something else, probably not cheaper, but you never know. I'm even considering getting another 8 after the winter.

You know if I was in CA or FL I wouldn't get rid of the 8, but I have the opportunity here with 7 months of winter coming, might as well take it.

I find it interesting how some of you are reacting to the buyback issue. This thread should deal with the buyback issue, the reasons why one is returning the car to Mazda, and from a curiousity perspective what the replacement car is. Why some of you get defensive and put down the mini (since that is the car I replaced the RX-8 with) I don't understand. I guess one needs to always prove that the cars they own are better than anyone elses. As for me, I look at this from an objective perspective. Both the RX-8 and Cooper S are nice cars, definitely different in their missions, both have their good points and bad points! Let's leave it at that and don't get too defensive :-)

I'm glad your MPG improved over time. Mine has not. I've got 4200 miles on mine and I'm still getting the same 15-17 MPG on mostly freeway driving.

I just couldn't justify it with my daily 100 mile commute. I will miss the car, though.

Originally posted by nowr2go
I find it interesting how some of you are reacting to the buyback issue. This thread should deal with the buyback issue, the reasons why one is returning the car to Mazda, and from a curiousity perspective what the replacement car is. Why some of you get defensive and put down the mini (since that is the car I replaced the RX-8 with) I don't understand. I guess one needs to always prove that the cars they own are better than anyone elses. As for me, I look at this from an objective perspective. Both the RX-8 and Cooper S are nice cars, definitely different in their missions, both have their good points and bad points! Let's leave it at that and don't get too defensive :-)

no defensiveness here. I like my car no matter what anyone else says.

Just relaying what a friend did with his Mini.

I am failing to understand why you would sell your car back. I understand that the horsepower was understated...but it was understated by 8 hp, not 18 or 28, if that were the case I could probably see your point because those figures would be a gross understatement. At the 247 hp figure, the 8 was outgunned by the Infiniti coupe and sedan, Nissan's Z...heck even Cadillac's CTS is coming to the table with 250-255 hp.

I thought about my RX-8 that I ordered when all talk about the hp being lower than was originally stated, but I didn't cancel the order because to me the RX-8 is not all about horsepower at all, it's not about who can out accelerate whom at a traffic light, to me the RX-8 is about balance, it's about control, it's about all around driving pleasure, it's about refinement, but most of all it's about uniqueness. The 8 reminds me of my 94 probe gt. It was the most balanced sports coupe that I had ever driven, even though it only had 164 hp., but it did everything so well.


The RX-7 was never the most powerful car when compared to the other Japanese gt's (i.e Supra, Mitsu., and Z) it had the smallest rims/tires, the weakest engine (hp wise), it was consistently the lightest (which is good), but it was able to run or even outgun some of them. Sure it's one thing to have a screaming engine and pins you against the seat during acceleration, but it's another to have a car that does everything right and that's what the rx-7 did and the rx8 is continuing. I ask to the ones that have your 8's to look at it's overall design and how it harmonizes. Really look and appreciate your suicide doors and how they actually were the design theme of the car, look inside at your gauges that light up three colors, and the spot-lights above your window controls, how the cockpit becomes a part of you and you a part of it, and the little things you wouldn't normally expect, and... and...and...and maybe you will appreciate your machine even more, and also maybe you would appreciate Mazda's vision even more.

I read in a post on this forum, that someone has their RX-8 in the garage waiting to be sold back to Mazda, and they are planning to get a Chrysler Crossfire. A CROSSFIRE! Doesn't it have a 215 hp engine. Well to each his own, I say. It's not about hp with Mazda, folks, it's about the driving experience itself, an experience that they have refined over these many years. I can't wait to take delivery of my titanium 8 with chaparal leather, sport pkg, nav., front and rear rotary accents, front splash gaurds, and minidisc player (sorry I had to get all of that in). Because when it does arrive and I take delivery, I know that I will own a piece of automotive art. Peace out.....
:)

Amen.

Oh don't get me wrong, I LOVE my 8 and I can't find another car that I like more! I'll probably just buy another one.

If I lived in sunny California I would keep it, but as it stands I have nothing to lose to return the car for the 7 winter months and get another in the spring!

The 8 is wonderfull, I'll still be around this forum!

As I approach the two weeks I have left before I return my RX-8 to Mazda, I have started shopping around for another car. I am a middle aged + woman and have decided to grow up, leave my 6 speed stick shift behind, and look at the Honda Accord automatic 6 cylinder. This is a beautiful car, dependable, and well made. I have spent my entire life in the fast lane, driving sports cars, and now it's time to slow down a bit and appreciate luxury. This entire experience has really taught me a lot about life and priorities.
lilhondi silver RX-8, 6 speed, touring PKG

Originally posted by RX-WillyStyle
Sell the dang car back! Go buy that ugly ass dodoburu!

You abviously have not heard the saying, "if it ain't a rotor, it aint a motor."

none sense. And yeah when u drive in the highway or where ever and come across a subaru, any subaru for that matter, don't forget its a "dodoburu" that WILL leave you breathing his exhaust smoke before you even get a chance to finish your foolish sentence.

Originally posted by RX-WillyStyle
And oh yeah, what manufacturer posts hp ratings at the wheels? NO ONE! You obviously are speaking without thinking, just like you will be acting before thinking when you sell your car back.

you are the one speaking without thinking, what do you know about me and my reasonings to attack me this way? grow up. and if you are growned up, just die ok?

Originally posted by RX-WillyStyle
It's to bad for you! Hope they welcome you at other forums!

as long as there are no assholes like you, it will be fine. Besides who knows which car i will get next. I might wait to pass the winter months and get the 8 again after all REAL numbers and such are set, maybe even save a ton of money too. so don't speak too soon.

Originally posted by Wing
Oh don't get me wrong, I LOVE my 8 and I can't find another car that I like more! I'll probably just buy another one.

If I lived in sunny California I would keep it, but as it stands I have nothing to lose to return the car for the 7 winter months and get another in the spring!

The 8 is wonderfull, I'll still be around this forum!


i share your opinion totally, after all we all have been here since the bigginings ..

Originally posted by mikeb
thats not nice

yeah the ignore feature becomes very handy in this situation. He doesn't understand i am not trying to be bias towarsd the 8 since i have one. It herts to get rid of it. In fact i still think what if i wait and trbo the dam thing, but mpg kills...if it had better mpg, i would glue myself to the seat if necesary before anyone could take it away from me. my final .02 in the matter

U.N.O., I'm in exactly the same boat (er, car) as you. If it wasn't for the MPG (and the fact I commute 100 mi/day), I'd be keeping the car.

U.N.O I wasn't even talking to you
I was talking to rx willy style

I went back a tallied what people said they were replacing their 8 with in this thread and the other tread that specifically asks what you are replacing your 8 with. There is obviously duplication because some memebers posted in both. But here is the total any way:

Another RX-8: 9

Accord V6: 3

Accura TL: 2

Mini Cooper: 2

SUV: 2

Accura NSX (used): 1

BMW Z4: 1

Crossfire: 1

What surprised me: 0 Nissan/Infinity/Lexus

I currently possess both an RX-8 AND a 350Z.

I have been driving my 8 for about 6 weeks now (Red, 6-speed GT) which I purchased on Aug. 8th. When I bought the car I was initially impressed with its performance and styling, however after driving it for a while I slowly became more and more dissapointed with the performance. The 8 is being marketed based upon the strong Rotary/RX-7 history which it simply does not live up to. As someone who has put 2900 miles on the vehicle I feel I am qualified to say that for a $30,000+ "sports car" the RX-8 is entirely too slow.

After responding to the honorable and generous offer presented by Mazda for repurchase (imagine an american car manufacturer offering to buy back 3000+ vehicles due to a 9 hp defecit), I bought a 6-speed, touring model 350Z. Even though I am still breaking in the Z (400 miles so far) and can't push it too hard yet, I can tell you that performance-wise there is no comparison between the vehicles. The Z's superiority in torque, acceleration and handling are immediately evident (this is not simply a horsepower difference). The 8 and the Z are simply not in the same class when it comes to acceleration, handling and yes, gas mileage. Styling is, of course, always subjective.

The Z is a true sports car where the RX-8 is simply the victim of
compromise in too many areas to qualify in that category. One test drive of either vehicle is simply not enough to form an informed opinion of either and I can truly say that if anyone is looking for a "sports car" and they buy an 8 they can do better for only a slightly higher sticker price. This fact (in addition to protection from litigation), I feel lies at the core of Mazda's decision to repurchase. They know they are staking the future of the RX line and the rotary engine itself on this vehicle (in the US at least), and it simply doesnt live up to the expectations of many enthusiasts.

I did not post this to slam on the 8 or anybody who feels it is a superior vehicle to the Z, I understand that people have their own reasons for choosing the car they drive however I did notice that there were a few posts pointing out that no-one was trading their 8 for a Z. This is simply not true.

I have been following this forum since I bought my 8 in early August but have never posted a message until now. It is possible that there are others in the same situation as well.

Best of luck to those who keep their RX-8s, many of whom I am aware did not purchase the vehicle strictly for performance. At its core it is still a truly unique and remarkable vehicle, just not the one I was looking for.

But as you pointed out, no one is returning thier 8 to get a Z, not even you. You already had one. (You didn't say when you bought it, just that it had less miles.) You can edit you post some more if you'd like.

I bought the 8 six weeks ago, decided to sell it back last week and bought the Z last Friday.

why

Interesting, although I find the Z to have more power than the 8, I really didn't feel much of a difference when driving the 2 back to back. I test drove the Z 2 days ago. It seems to give you more of a sense of speed but that's all. I floored it at one point and then went WOW that was fast, looked at the speedo and was only going 80Km/h, while with the RX8 I would look down and go crap I'm already going 120? The Z has a sense of more speed being lower and stiffer. It takes more speed to give you that feel in the 8, which can be bad considering we have laws about speed :(

Handling for everyday driving was the same to me, but it has been proven on tracks the 8 handles better than the Z.

I was thinking about getting a Z, but I can't get over the horribly plasticy interior.

Still a VERY nice car, but not for me. Also the 8 is more practical with the extra seats and doors, if only for storing extra luggage!

As others have said, the few that are returning their 8 are totally within their right to do so.

That said, I'm a bit more harsh when it comes to the differences in the way the Z/G drive and the way the RX8 drives.

After spending quite a bit of time test driving the Z/G before buying the 8, I did the same thing again when I got THE LETTER. I came to the same conclusion as I had previously...while the 350Z is a BIT faster than the 8 (the G felt like it had about the same acceleration), everything else about the RX8 felt better.

I was always glad to get back into my RX8 after testing the Z/G.

Everything felt better in the RX8. Accleeration in the 350Z wasn't significantly faster when driving both the RX8 and Z back to back as someone else pointed out.

Handling, to me was a "no contest". While you have to work the Z to get great handling, the RX8 does it effortlessly. Better steering, better clutch, better shifter, much better ride and high handling limits with the RX8....all done instinctively. Since it was so easy and intuitive in the RX8, one may perceive that it reallly doesn't handle as well. Everything about the Z makes you work hard...steering it, shifting it, riding in it.....the Z just feels coarse when compared to the RX8.

The G blunts this a little, but not by much.

Then there's the obvious higher quality build and materials that are part of the RX8 package over the Z/G.

Add in the room, back seat, trunk, interior pieces and, for my money it was the RX8 choice, not once, but twice when testing.

MPG may be marginally better in the Z, but perusing other boards, I've seen the Z's stated real world MPG to be anywhere from 15 MPG to 26 MPG. Since break-in, I'm getting 18 MPG in all city and 24 MPG in all highway (usually cruising between 75-80 MPH) with a mix in the 20 MPG range. That's not too far off the Z MPG reports.

To get the same equipment levels in the Z (which would be Touring model with NAV) as I have in my 8 (GT with NAV) I would have had to spend $3K-$4K more. That was icing on the cake.

Now, Mazda is giving me $500 and free maintenance. I'm a happy camper.

Not a slight to Z owners. I like your cars. I like my RX8 better.

This is a fantastic car and easily the fastest and nicest car I have ever owned. I am returning mine to Mazda because I am averaging 14.5 MPG. I will not drive a gas hog and this is certainly one. I've already purchased a new MR2 with the sequential manual. Got 31.5 on xway and 26.5 in my first tank of mixed. Almost as fast and I'm not wasting resources or pouring out twice as much CO2 as I should be.

i got my rx8 a month ago after that its making me crazy.after 100 miles the oil light came several times,after that the clutch sound,
the a/c its not working properly,now i am waiting from mazda with the paperwork and every day they said tomorrow.still waiting,and i like to see the campaing in the news because most of the people don't know what's happening with this car in P.R.

I got word today (Friday, September 26th) that my RX-8 will be ready (checks have arrived at the dealership) to be returned on Monday. I have enjoyed it and think that maybe in a year or so will look into possibly buying another one. In the meantime, I'll enjoy my G35 coupe already purchased during the wait for the RX-8 to be returned.

Some people just can't handle the idea that some others are not happy about Mazda and the RX-8.

At times it gets a bit frustrating, as we already know your feelings that it is "just perfect, and nothing can spoil your experience".

This picture is for you!

I have to wonder what other problems might pop up with the RX-8 as people
put mor mileage on the car. In addition, those now purchasing the car are unaware of the problems most of us have experienced. I really feel that the man upstairs was looking out for us early bird purchasers giving us the choice of wether or not we want to keep the car. 2 more weeks and bye bye. lilhondi silver RX-8, 6 speed touring PKG

After talking to Mazda and them representing that I should get the full purchase price back including dealer addons, I sent in my buy-back slip last week along with the bill of sale/contact. I received a message from Mazda Canada today saying they are ready to process the buy back but are unwilling to repurchase / refund the dealer add ons - rust-proof module, leather guard, paint coat etc. Has anyone else run into this issue?

This knocks a big chunk of change of the repurchase. ( I never went wrong with the paint coat before as it has kept the finish on my other vehicles looking fine - the leather guard was a waste of cash and looks even more so now but it was essentially offest but a package discount.)

The rust proof module is removeable but I am not sure about the transferability of the warranty for it.

The rest of these items are on the car - they weren't aftermarket add ons they were part of the original sale albeit with the dealer, not Mazda Canada. This was a package deal but then split up on the bill of sale.

Not such a good deal now. May have to rethink this. Looking at the acknowledgement, I have not declined the offer so I could argue the Maintenance package offer should still stand.

Comments?

Just need to put the following quote into perspective.


"I have to wonder what other problems might pop up with the


--Honda Accord
--Mini Cooper
--350Z
--BMW 5 Series
--Infiniti G35
--Nissan Murano
--Infiniti FX
--Toyota Scion
--Mazda6
--BMW Z4


as people put more mileage on the car. In addition, those now purchasing the car are unaware of the problems

A FEW

of us have experienced."





Let's be accurate, here. All the above models, like the RX8, have been released in the last 12months. All of them have their little quirks that may or may not be addressed by their manufacturers. Some of the people who bought them, given the opportunity, would return them if given the chance. All of them are some pretty highly regarded cars, as is the RX8.

Make no mistake, a very small percentage of the original RX8 owners are returning their cars. Mazda says it's somewhere between 2%-5%. That's between 60 and 150 of over 3,000 buyers that qualify via the letter. Pretty small number if you ask me.

radarguy, check the canada forum maybe give mazda a call and talk to Richard. This seems unfair, dealer options were part of the purchase I can't see them not paying for that!

Originally posted by canzoomer
Some people just can't handle the idea that some others are not happy about Mazda and the RX-8.

At times it gets a bit frustrating, as we already know your feelings that it is "just perfect, and nothing can spoil your experience".
If all you who are returning the car no longer want the RX-8 as part of your life, then what are you doing hanging around here continually complaining about it? Go join a forum for the car you are replacing the 8 with. Or are you just addicted to complaining about something?

For those returning their car: After reading the thread about Mazda not wanting to pay for extra options that the dealer put on the RX-8's, I would like to respond. The only thing I added to my car was window tint after I purchased the car. Mazda refuses to pay for that and I undrrstand . I was told by mazda that the way you bought the car and drove off the lot is what they will pay for. If theMazda dealership added options on their own that you paid for, you should not be responsible. I would definitely speak to someone higher up about your option situation. I was told that the RX-8 comes from the factory with various options. Don't get ripped off! lilhondi

After the RX is gone, you probably won't see as many of those of us hanging around that sent their cars back to Mazda. The cars are just now starting to be returned, so be patient and I'm sure that the forum will go back to a steadier place.

Well I have done alot of thinking on this, and in the final few days of the repurchase program I have decided to let my Titanium GT 6 speed go back to Mazda. It is really hurting me in alot of ways, including financially. (since I invested almost $800 in 3m coating- and I will be forfeitting the $500 plus service) ANd there is an emotiionsal and time investment in all the time spent detailing, etc)

My stats are - after 1500 miles I am never breaking 11 MPG in the city- regardless of gas used, driving styles, traction on/off.

I did get 16mpg highway, and am doing another highway test now, but I generally drive in the city, and while I am not unrealistic about what MPG I should get, I just feel like my engine is about the bottom of the heap in terms of MPG, and I should get out while I can.

It's just there are no answers for me. Mazda (after numerous calls) has given no insight whatsoever other than "try 91 octane." I spoke with a service tech at my dealer today about bringing it in (which I will do even after I get the repurchase under way- Mazda said I can always back out until I deliver the car) The tech said there is very little he can do ("it is a performance car after all..."- and that if the engine was running too rich, I would get a check engine light, and all he would do is run the codes to see if there are any errors (but he indicated if all else if running well- there probably will be no codes.) I will certainly give them a chance, but I need to get the paperwork in ASAP (and my dealer is about an hour away) I'm not optomistic.

I intend to purchase another 8 as soon as the refund comes, in exactly the same flavor of car I have now. I just wish I had more time to decide and give the dealer a chance to fix it. I should have brought it in earlier - but I guess I was in denial (hoping it would get better), and also it is a hassle- and the local NYC dealer (Mazda-Ford owned and opperated) I think is still closed for reconstruction, and they were often clueless about my Probe GT- which I brought to them numerous times in and out of warrenty and they failed to look at no brainers like the leaking overflow tank I clearly pointed out the first 2 times I brought it in.

sorry to hear that
you are bringing it back right before the mpg goes up

Originally posted by emailists
... I intend to purchase another 8 as soon as the refund comes, in exactly the same flavor of car I have now. ...


And where will you be if your replacement also gets 11MPG city?

I've always been very skeptical of the EPA's MPG estimates. I'm willing to bet that the EPA estimates are not based on "spirited" driving. Over the years, and with various cars, I've been lucky to average near the low end of the city MPG. (I live in the suburbs and don't have a regular commute.) My last tank was just over 15mpg which is up from the 13mpg for the previous 1,500 miles.

Dave

I just received my letter from Mazda, can someone help me on this I have not gotten a call back from Mazda.
Do I get full sticker price back? What about any sales tax or registration fees. What if I paid over sticker. I would appreciate any help on these answers.
Thanks
If possible please send a response to mazda04rx8@msn.com
Thanks again.

why are u guys selling your rx8 back? its so stupid 11hp doesnt make a car any different geez or how about waiting for the mgp to go up?

People are returning them because they can.

Some are unhappy about MPG, some want a different color, some say "why not get a brand new car with thousands less miles on it for free." At least one poster mentioned they were going to sell theirs back and get a new one in spring so they didn't have to drive it in the winter salt/slush.

Next to no one is actually returning theirs because of HP; rather many people would return their cars for a variety of reasons if given a "free pass" like this one...

Originally posted by emailists
Well I have done alot of thinking on this, and in the final few days of the repurchase program I have decided to let my Titanium GT 6 speed go back to Mazda. It is really hurting me in alot of ways, including financially. (since I invested almost $800 in 3m coating- and I will be forfeitting the $500 plus service) ANd there is an emotiionsal and time investment in all the time spent detailing, etc)

My stats are - after 1500 miles I am never breaking 11 MPG in the city- regardless of gas used, driving styles, traction on/off.


Sorry to hear that, dude. 11 mpg just sucks and in the same circumstances I would return the car too. I was getting 15 mpg for the first 2000 and would have returned it for that, but after 2000 miles it bumped up to above 17 mpg. Yesterday I drove all hiway (San Diego to LA and back) and got 20.4 for a new personal record. Hey, drive the heck out of it this weekend and get it over 2000 miles, then run another tank or two to check mileage. Maybe a miracle will occur leaving you time to change your mind!

If I could get the "right " person at Mazda on the phone, and they offered to let me keep the car another 4 weeks and see what developed I would jump at the chance. This would be a win / win deal for all parties concerned. I may try to get ahold of an exec, but I am doubtful that anyone with any decision making power will come to the phone. Maybe by the time I have to turn the car in, I will have hit the 2000 mile mark, who knows? Damn I would get in the car right now and drive for a few hours, but am battling the flu or just horrible allegies and dont feel like going anyplace.

Originally posted by emailists
If I could get the "right " person at Mazda on the phone, and they offered to let me keep the car another 4 weeks and see what developed I would jump at the chance. This would be a win / win deal for all parties concerned. I may try to get ahold of an exec, but I am doubtful that anyone with any decision making power will come to the phone. Maybe by the time I have to turn the car in, I will have hit the 2000 mile mark, who knows? Damn I would get in the car right now and drive for a few hours, but am battling the flu or just horrible allegies and dont feel like going anyplace.

I wouldn't count on Mazda letting you keep the car any "extra" weeks. They want to get all the cars that are being sent back in so they can take care of the "accounting" that needs to be done.

I also doubt that any "Mazda" exec is going to talk to you.

Mazda has given the "deadline" for decisions to be made. The reason for the deadline is to get the "offer letter" customers off the fence so Mazda can get on with the business they're in....that is making and selling car.

Originally posted by mikeb
sorry to hear that
you are bringing it back right before the mpg goes up

You don't know that for sure, Mike. I hit 4444 miles last night and my MPG has been consistent from the start. 15-17 MPG on 80/20 highway/city driving.

Well after two weeks of me signing the release and faxing it back to Mazda on the buy back, I finally got my check today! That too entirely too long in my opinion. The turn in with the dealer went smoothly however. That was a bright spot in the ordeal.

It has been 2 weeks and 2 days since I signed and faxed mine. Still haven't heard anything. 5600 miles and counting...

Yesterday, I received an E-Mail from Mazda telling me that my check was over- nighted to the dealership where I purchased my RX-8. They also told me that I would be receiving a call once the check was recieved, I did get a call this morning asking me to return the car, sign some papers, and pick up my check. Mazda will pay off the car with an over-night check once the dealer contacts them and tells them that I did turn in the car. Things have gone very smoothly. Mazda ordered my check on 9-22 and I turned in the car today 10-3. One day shy of 2 weeks. not bad. I am truly glad that this saga is now over. Honda had my new V_6 waiting for me. It's beautiful; black with beige leather, automatic transmission, 4 doors, with all the bells and whistles. Best of luck to everyone on this forum no matter what you decided to do with your RX-8. And thank you for all your help and answers to my questions, lilhondi I had a silver RX-8, 6 speed, touring PKG

I turned mine in today 10/4 and picked up the check. The process was very smooth and quick. I will re visit the 8 in a year and hopefully some of the bugs will be worked out. FABULOUS car, sorry to see it go but it was the right decision for me. I saw a black one cruising today and admittedly had a little seller's remorse.

After reading so many threads about little complaints and broken door sills and all kinds of little things, plus the whole issue going on here I'm most likely going to have to avoid the RX8, at least the 2004 model. It's a shame because it's such a beauty but for the price, and it's pricey, there just shouldn't be so many things seemingly holding it back.

Here's to hoping the 2005's make a few improvements and take this car to the level of perfection it deserves.

Originally posted by Fat Morbo
After reading so many threads about little complaints and broken door sills and all kinds of little things, plus the whole issue going on here I'm most likely going to have to avoid the RX8, at least the 2004 model. It's a shame because it's such a beauty but for the price, and it's pricey, there just shouldn't be so many things seemingly holding it back.

Here's to hoping the 2005's make a few improvements and take this car to the level of perfection it deserves.

Other than the HP stuff it's pretty normal for a first model year.

its very good for a first year production

Originally posted by Superbone


You don't know that for sure, Mike. I hit 4444 miles last night and my MPG has been consistent from the start. 15-17 MPG on 80/20 highway/city driving.

whats truer than that? I would love to get your MPG. I'm sittin on 2200 miles & I'm still feelin 12-13 MPG right in the arse. Waiting for the call to drop mine off. Fare well my love...

Originally posted by BillK
People are returning them because they can.

Some are unhappy about MPG, some want a different color, some say "why not get a brand new car with thousands less miles on it for free." At least one poster mentioned they were going to sell theirs back and get a new one in spring so they didn't have to drive it in the winter salt/slush.

Next to no one is actually returning theirs because of HP; rather many people would return their cars for a variety of reasons if given a "free pass" like this one...

tell em billy...tell em

mazda no fixy, me no buyy (a new 8)

everybody git ur roll on...

mean time, I'll lurk about b/c I luv da rotary. and based on my experience w/ 1 1979 RX-7 I KNOW they are capable of better than my 12-13 MPG.

astrlsrfr, I just got the call today. I turn in my gas hog :cool: on Friday. 5700 miles on mine now. It was fun while it lasted.

well at least it was 'fun'

what's your next car ?

I got the call yesterday and the car is going back today. I love so many things about this car and may consider another for the future. Until then, I'll keep on racking up the miles on my fd.

Well, thought I'd finally chime in - Dealer called, check is in - my 8 goes back this afternoon and I go back to driving my BMW.

Some things about the car I love, but one aspect I've really grown to hate - 1800 miles @ 12-13 MPG - not acceptable to me given the EPA rating of 18/24. 33% spec error is too much in my engineering handbook. This coupled with Mazda's poor handling of the entire advertised spec vs actual performance mess sealed the car's fate.

I'll miss the handling, just as I still sometimes miss my RX-7 and my Miata. Mazda (and an extended poor dealer experience wrt to this car) has manged to turn me from a 20 year Mazda owner into an ex-customer - sad.

On a lighter note: I still think they should have interfaced the nav system to the gas gague - then when you hit 1/4 tank the screen would pop up, show the nearest gas station and the voice would say "GO here NOW!"...

Oh well, life goes on...

Dave

that would be cool if nav included gas warning
I like your gas would have got better after 2k

Originally posted by MVCalypso
On a lighter note: I still think they should have interfaced the nav system to the gas gague - then when you hit 1/4 tank the screen would pop up, show the nearest gas station and the voice would say "GO here NOW!"...

Oh well, life goes on...

Dave

people would ignore it and still run out of gas. better luck with your next car.

Originally posted by RX-GR8
people would ignore it and still run out of gas. better luck with your next car.

I wouldn't want it to warn me with 1/4 a tank to go, as thats a huge distance.

It also depends on how your gauage is setup. In my MX3 I can drive for over 30 miles with the warning light on have the needly banging on empty, and then fill up to the neck with 40L (9 gallons). The tank is 50L (11 gallons) so I still have hell of a lot in reserve.

Cheers
---Dave

well at least it was 'fun'

what's your next car ?


Dropped off the car on Friday with 6019 miles on it. Got back in my 92 Maxima SE. Feels like a damn boat!

I had almost decided to go with the Accord V6 Sedan but when I dropped the car off, the dealer was telling me that I could get a fully loaded 2004 Mazda6s for about invoice after factory incentives.

I took a look at one. I decided on the spot that I had changed my mind and would go with the 6s instead of the Accord. Just like the looks and handling so much more. But then, I read on Edmunds.com that there is a rust problem.

So, between that and the CA car tax increase, I might just put my new purchase on hold.

Originally posted by Superbone
Dropped off the car on Friday with 6019 miles on it. Got back in my 92 Maxima SE. Feels like a damn boat!

I had almost decided to go with the Accord V6 Sedan but when I dropped the car off, the dealer was telling me that I could get a fully loaded 2004 Mazda6s for about invoice after factory incentives.

I took a look at one. I decided on the spot that I had changed my mind and would go with the 6s instead of the Accord. Just like the looks and handling so much more. But then, I read on Edmunds.com that there is a rust problem.

So, between that and the CA car tax increase, I might just put my new purchase on hold.

Dont let your dealer get you on this. You want invoice less incentives + fair dealer profit. NOT invoice price with incentives. In other words, start with invoice + fair profit - any additional incentives after that is gravey.

Thanks, wleonard. I will do that.

On the note of Mazda and ethics:

I got flamed pretty bad in August and September because I said that Mazda are dishonest and liars.

Well, I came across this little tidbit which I think amply illustrates the point:

It seems that Mazda set a little record back in 1999.
The U.S. Federal Trade Commission fined them 5.25 million dollars for misleading information in their lease ads and agreements.
This is the FTC record for the highest penalty to date!!

http://www3.ftc.gov/opa/1999/09/mazdafinal.htm

It seems that Mazda and the FTC have a long and illustrious record of actions:

Go to:
http://www.ftc.gov/cgi-bin/htsearch

And search for the word "Mazda"

I know this thread is a bit dated as most of the returners have gone through the process, but I am still in it (process).

Just to refresh my memory and to make sure. Most of you experienced two weeks from fax-back notification of buyback until notice to drop off and checks?

I am at the two week mark and have my eye on several vehicles, but it just isnt safe to get one and own two cars based on paper promise of return of one.

Anyone returning hit problems after your buyback offer was accepted? Any hidden costs, tricks at turnin etc ?

thanks....

It took a little over 3 weeks until I got the call to return my car after faxing the agreement back. Everything went very smoothly. I will be getting my Sepang Green MT V6 fully loaded Mazda6s this week.

...thanks, that kept me going for the interim.

Faxed and phoned approval of numbers Oct. 20.

Got call today (Oct. 30) to take to dealer.

Spoke to dealer and he has my check.


For those of you that the 8 is the car of your dreams. Luck shines on you. Enjoy your dream.

Adios amigos!

I know this is becoming old news but here's what I did. I worked with my dealer after I received my letter. He found out that the dealer was in no way "penalized" for me doing a repurchase so he worked with me to get the repurchase done and found me another 8 and had it trucked in. The day the check came from Mazda I deposited it into my bank account and wrote a check to the dealer for the new 8. So basically I test drove the first one for 6k miles and got a new one with Red/Black Interior, Nav, Rotary Accents, and Spoiler for the EXACT same price as my first one that did not have those options. I'm suprised every dealer did not do this because basically they were able to sell TWO cars. Worked out great for me!!!

That's exactly what I tried to talk my dealer into. They sank the "allotment" song & I walked. Too bad, we both lost on their density.